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Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by oderemo(m): 9:52am On Jul 12, 2010
^^^^^
do you have to travel to iceland or norway to know its cold.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by GoldCircle: 10:07am On Jul 12, 2010
interesting. . . some folks are obviously displaying a lot of ignorance here. . . tongue tongue tongue
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by oderemo(m): 10:20am On Jul 12, 2010
one thing i hate is ppl seating uncomfortably on the fence.
if you have anything meaningful or otherwise to contribute just spit it out,
afterall we all learn from each other.
if that is ignoring ignorance, that is .
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by mustafar1: 11:29am On Jul 12, 2010
Eko Atlantic! yet Ahmadu bello way and the beach around there is still under threat from the ocean. . .
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by ezeagu(m): 3:00pm On Jul 12, 2010
paddy_lo:

Yes that is socialism. . .i see u have no clue about what u talk about. . .
U are like most Nigerians on Nairaland. . Totally clueless about how the world works
but u have convinced yourself u know,when u dont know anything

at least even donald rumsfeld,knew to say he didnt know. .with his unknown unknowns  memo
.

I told you to tell me what is socialism about it and to define socialism since I do not know what I am talking about, then you told me I don't know what I'm talking about. And why didn't you reply to the questions I asked which was whether the Atlantic ocean is privately owned or if the government had to give the company the land, the sea, and the go ahead to drastically change its shores. Maybe this is how countries work and I'm so clueless. Maybe someone can just buy a part of a countries coastline, and build an massive extension that is twice the size of the countries business district, anyone who says otherwise is a socialist!

paddy_lo:

I dont need to impress anybody. . . Foreigners and expatriates have been visiting my homeland and millions continue to reside there now
U think i am impressed by the USA?where the whole country looks like a strip mall?. . .lol. . .i see we are on 2 different wave lengths like i told u. . . .


Millions of foreigners reside in Nigeria? I guess poor Africans? I'll leave that alone. You don't need to be impressed by the United States, all the official statistics are impressed by the United States and the millions that would trade place from Nigeria to the US are impressed by the United States. . . .

paddy_lo:

It is not your place to tell private citizens what to do. . .If u want to live like that move to North Korea. . .
so pls stop telling me about if they had done this or that,
If u cant see what makes u a socialist with this line of argument then u are truely blind

Can you please go back and read my original post, who is forcing them to do anything? I will comment where I like and when I see BS like this I'll call it out in an appropriate way. My original post wasn't even life devastating. Again, sadly, North Korea is better than Nigeria.

paddy_lo:

I have N100million in my bank account in lagos. . I can buy a big land in badagry and build 10 houses for the low income

Or I can buy 2 big mansions in Lekki and rent to the high income

The choice is mine to make. . .and mine alone,and if i choose Lekki well too bad for u
but The minute the likes of u begin to arrogate to yourself the power to tell me what to do with my money,is when u begin to be a socialist
Hope my analogies are sinking into your dense skull

This has nothing to do with Eko Atlantic and you've confirmed my earlier judgement:

I guess this is an alternate to Abuja, where the rich can escape the millions of poverty stricken citizens, and keep them out of sight, invite their foreign friends there and show them "the real Nigeria".

Again: Good for you.

paddy_lo:

Failed state index ko, lol. . while u are at it check the baltic dry index as well. . . . .
U can move to Havana or Athens. . if u like. . .
U seem to have this inferiority complex about yourself. . .
Telling me to ask oyibo abroad. . like i care what an oyibo man thinks. . . .


Yeah, because it isn't the Onyibo that designed and that is building your new city. . . . .

paddy_lo:

If this project is so painful to u,why are u enduring so much pain by being on this thread. . .why are u even on Nairaland
u should be on Greekland,and cubaland. . . .mugu

It is you that it is paining obviously from your response. The problem is not that you are a capitalist, your problem is that you live in a different or see a different Nigeria all together, the kind that tunes the majority of the people on the street out, when the majority of your country isn't above a western slum.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by xterra2(m): 5:51pm On Jul 12, 2010
@Topic
I cant see the video/picture you posted!
My Browsers both Firefox and Safari are showing White Space
What us the link of the video/picture or is it on SSC?
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by paddylo1(m): 5:56pm On Jul 12, 2010
@Topic
I cant see the video/picture you posted!
My Browsers both Firefox and Safari are showing White Space
What us the link of the video/picture or is it on SSC?

heres a link mate. . . .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJlxHMem3Uo
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by dlox01(m): 9:15am On Jul 13, 2010
i really have to admit, Paddy_lo is very brilliant. hez got this argument spot on,rarely do you see that on NL. ezeagu is really just trying to post comments the way it going.
if an alternative is not built before 2025,where do you want the magnitude of people to stay by the time we are the 3rd largest/most populous state?or do u think building such a project is 2 or three years?what is happening now is futuristic and you are stuck in the past. building this dosnt stop the government from refublishing,building and maintaining what is already available coz its a private initiative. MM2 is an example, did it stop FG from maintaining MMA(airport)??no!!!
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by blacksta(m): 9:45am On Jul 13, 2010
dlox01:

i really have to admit, Paddy_lo is very brilliant. hez got this argument spot on,rarely do you see that on NL. ezeagu is really just trying to post comments the way it going.
if an alternative is not built before 2025,where do you want the magnitude of people to stay by the time we are the 3rd largest/most populous state?or do u think building such a project is 2 or three years?what is happening now is futuristic and you are stuck in the past. building this dosnt stop the government from refublishing,building and maintaining what is already available coz its a private initiative. MM2 is an example, did it stop FG from maintaining MMA(airport)??no!!!


This is not to dismiss the great construction feat but atleast 90% of the real lagosians would not be able to afford or live on this reclaimed land therefore overcrowding on the mainland still remains.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by AjanleKoko: 2:18pm On Jul 13, 2010
blacksta:

This is not to dismiss the great construction feat but atleast 90% of the real lagosians would not be able to afford or live on this reclaimed land therefore overcrowding on the mainland still remains.

The idea behind the Atlantic City is not a refuge for the masses. It's supposed to be a new business district. It will be at a premium.
Lagos State is trying to invest in infrastructure, attract quality investment, and boost its income from taxation, since the influx of investors is only going to ensure there is more money in the system, and more jobs for people. At least, from my point of view, that is what it looks like.

Public housing and amenities in lagos, which seems to be the concern of ezeagu and co, is a different topic entirely. Lagos suffers inordinately from inward migration, especially from non-tax paying citizens who only put more pressure on the already inadequate Lagos infrastructure. Maybe if other state governors, particularly the Nigeria Delta chaps with all their massive allocations, even try a bit to develop their states rather than blatant stealing, it would help a bit. And everybody would not have to move to Lagos.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by yogos: 2:30pm On Jul 13, 2010
@paddy_lo.
I have been reading your write up for a long while now, on your complete trust in Nigeria’s future, both here on Nairaland and on skyscrapercity.  What am most impressed with is that you take the time to respond to ignorant and uninformed persons who have nothing but negativity to say about their country even when they see improvement. I have had cause to be in  similar discussions and what i find shocking is that my so called educated jandon that are the most cynical . All I can say to you is that don’t be dishearten by the pessimist and gloomy gus idiots.  Cheers
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by paddylo1(m): 2:44pm On Jul 13, 2010
@paddy_lo.
I have been reading your write up for a long while now, on your complete trust in Nigeria’s future, both here on Nairaland and on skyscrapercity. What am most impressed with is that you take the time to respond to ignorant and uninformed persons who have nothing but negativity to say about their country even when they see improvement. I have had cause to be in similar discussions and what i find shocking is that my so called educated jandon that are the most cynical . All I can say to you is that don’t be dishearten by the pessimist and gloomy gus idiots. Cheers

Thanks homie. . .There is nothing in this world u can pass on to your kids than a knowledge of where they come from and your culture
If not they become lost in this world(i know this even though i dont have kids yet)

The ppl that do all this negativity,foolishly believe that light,road, and all the other crap they moan about daily,is what life is about
well i have come to America and seen the road and light. . . but will never raise my kids here or Trade my country for here

You wont know it yet,till u start to grow old in a foreign land. . Then u realize that all that degree means nothing
That is when u will remember your village and wish to be buried there

so i know i am young and have hope for Nigeria,but i also know for a fact that Nigeria is making tremendous progress
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by joeyfire(m): 2:54pm On Jul 13, 2010
The Eko Atlantic City Project is an ostentatious, real estate wankfest designed to make money for the ''owners'' of lagos and their foreign partners or whoever is providing funding for it. This project is line with this lagos state government's drive to make lagos bonafide eye candy without creating jobs (lastma\lawma etc aside) , affordable housing and other basic amenities that exist in mega cities that they are trying to ape. Instead of a friggin city in the sea why didnt that bespectacled midget (tinubu) and his lanky sidekick put a deal together to build decent medium income apartments at ikorodu, epe or wherever the state owns hectares of land.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by MOBO444(f): 3:18pm On Jul 13, 2010
What ever the decision of lagos state government to build on old land or reclaim lost land to sea, I
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by ezeagu(m): 3:37pm On Jul 13, 2010
dlox01:

i really have to admit, Paddy_lo is very brilliant. hez got this argument spot on,rarely do you see that on NL.  ezeagu is really just trying to post comments the way it going.
if an alternative is not built before 2025,where do you want the magnitude of people to stay by the time we are the 3rd largest/most populous state?or do u think building such a project is 2 or three years?what is happening now is futuristic and you are stuck in the past. building this dosnt stop the government from refublishing,building and maintaining what is already available coz its a private initiative. MM2 is an example, did it stop FG from maintaining MMA(airport)??no!!!


If you have a messy room, it usually frees up space if you tidy it up. . . . . Most of Japan is mountain, that is why they had to use every precious piece of plain they could, when they ran out of space they were forced to build their airport in the sea because they had no other option. The people even tried moving mountains! This is why Japan has large patches of over crowded areas. Go and look at a satellite map of Lagos and Tokyo on the same scale, tell me that Tokyo can build on the mountains and that it is anything less than 2 times the size of Lagos and then tell me that Lagos is as well planned or has no option to expand inland.

joeyfire:

The Eko Atlantic City Project is an ostentatious, real estate wankfest designed to make money for the ''owners'' of lagos and their foreign partners or whoever is providing funding for it. This project is line with this lagos state government's drive to make lagos bonafide eye candy without creating jobs (lastma\lawma etc aside) , affordable housing and other basic amenities that exist in mega cities that they are trying to ape. Instead of a friggin city in the sea why didnt that bespectacled midget (tinubu) and his lanky sidekick put a deal together to build decent medium income apartments at ikorodu, epe or wherever the state owns hectares of land.

Well, here's a more blunt version of what I was getting at.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by Kobojunkie: 3:54pm On Jul 13, 2010
AjanleKoko:

The idea behind the Atlantic City is not a refuge for the masses. It's supposed to be a new business district. It will be at a premium.
Lagos State is trying to invest in infrastructure, attract quality investment, and boost its income from taxation, since the influx of investors is only going to ensure there is more money in the system, and more jobs for people. At least, from my point of view, that is what it looks like.

You know what, the above seems a good opinion on this project so far, except for the portions in bold.  That is still to be seen.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by joeyfire(m): 4:05pm On Jul 13, 2010
After seeing the incompetence that constituted the ''final solution'' to the overflowing atlantic on ahmadu bello way, i'm scared for residents of the floating city
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by babapupa: 4:14pm On Jul 13, 2010
Kobojunkie:

You know what, the above seems a good opinion on this project so far, except for the portions in bold.  That is still to be seen.



What about the tons of Lagosians currently working on the project?

What about the vendors feeding and equiping the construction workers?

So do you think this massive project is gonna build and maintain itself?

Upon completion, who do you think is gonna be working in the tons of multinational offices, the leisure, entertainment, restaurant sectors. Are they not gonna be Lagosians.


Lastly, what do you call pumping of tens of billions of dollars into the state's economy? Is that not what they call investment? or do your clueless self have a different name for it?


You don't even try to make sense no more.

Abeg, keep quiet sometimes, it's not by force to display your ignorance and mindless mentality.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by debosky(m): 4:15pm On Jul 13, 2010
joeyfire:

The Eko Atlantic City Project is an ostentatious, real estate wankfest designed to make money for the ''owners'' of lagos and their foreign partners or whoever is providing funding for it. This project is line with this lagos state government's drive to make lagos bonafide eye candy without creating jobs (lastma\lawma etc aside) , affordable housing and other basic amenities that exist in mega cities that they are trying to ape. Instead of a friggin city in the sea why didnt that bespectacled midget (tinubu) and his lanky sidekick put a deal together to build decent medium income apartments at ikorodu, epe or wherever the state owns hectares of land.

The institutions behind this project are after profit - and to do that, they have targeted the high end of the market who will pay a high premium for exclusivity. Interestingly enough, this project has not taken away land from the 'masses' as was the case with Maroko and other such developments, but is reclaiming land from the sea. If the project is successful, the revenues from this area can be used to develop other parts of Lagos.

As an aside, when did 'mega city' become something aspirational? It is simply a definition given to a city in terms of its population, not its level of development or amenities available. Who in his right mind will be trying to 'ape' a megacity like Mumbai? What is there to ape?  

ezeagu:

If you have a messy room, it usually frees up space if you tidy it up. . . . . Most of Japan is mountain, that is why they had to use every precious piece of plain they could, when they ran out of space they were forced to build their airport in the sea because they had no other option. The people even tried moving mountains! This is why Japan has large patches of over crowded areas. Go and look at a satellite map of Lagos and Tokyo on the same scale, tell me that Tokyo can build on the mountains and that it is anything less than 2 times the size of Lagos and then tell me that Lagos is as well planned or has no option to expand inland.

If that is the case for Japan, kindly explain the reasons why Toronto and New York spread into the sea, despite being in countries with some of the largest landmasses on the globe. Lack of space on a national level is not always the driving force for reclamation.

That you are philosophically opposed to the reclamation is not the same as arguing that there is no business case/economic analysis that makes it a viable investment.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by Kobojunkie: 4:19pm On Jul 13, 2010
joeyfire:

After seeing the incompetence that constituted the ''final solution'' to the overflowing atlantic on ahmadu bello way, i'm scared for residents of the floating city

Since this is majorly for profit and to get big money investors to take them seriously, I am certain that the developers will make sure this is no where like the many failed attempts by Government @Joeyfire.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by babapupa: 4:22pm On Jul 13, 2010
joeyfire:

After seeing the incompetence that constituted the ''final solution'' to the overflowing atlantic on ahmadu bello way, i'm scared for residents of the floating city



The problem here is you not understand what this project is all about.

This project was designed to eliminate what you're gripping about.


Read, research and comprehend before passing judgment.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by oderemo(m): 4:23pm On Jul 13, 2010
@babapupa,
i think u should call paddy-lo and have breakfast with him or maybe dinner,
frm where i stand you guys have no reverse gear.
as other viewpoints make no Atlantic sense.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by joeyfire(m): 4:30pm On Jul 13, 2010
@babapupa

Ok. I'm interested in knowing how the people behind this project are going to do things differently. Do you have any facts to share? as far as i know there've been insane amounts of money spent by the state government to protect our shoreline. I heard (a rumour though) that the same company that did the shoreline are involved with this eko atlantic thing. naturally i'm not encouraged. would you be?
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by Kobojunkie: 4:37pm On Jul 13, 2010
debosky:

The institutions behind this project are after profit - and to do that, they have targeted the high end of the market who will pay a high premium for exclusivity. Interestingly enough, this project has not taken away land from the 'masses' as was the case with Maroko and other such developments, but is reclaiming land from the sea.

It will be taking land from the masses actually.

In essence it is a huge reclamation project, replacing land that was lost during a hundred years of severe coastal erosion. Complex marine works engaging world-renowned consultants and contractors to roll back surging waves from the Atlantic Ocean have already begun.


The land belongs to Lagos State.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by debosky(m): 4:44pm On Jul 13, 2010
Kobojunkie:

It will be taking land from the masses actually.

Can you explain how? The land was 'taken' by the sea, and is now being reclaimed on behalf of the Lagos State government. How has it been taken from the masses? Without the private capital, Lagos cannot afford to reclaim the land, so it is in effect giving land back to the 'masses' since a number of the current occupants of V/I and its environs will move to the city once it is completed and will open up spaces for others to occupy.


The land belongs to Lagos State.

Without a doubt it does - and Lagos State has authorised the sale of the land, on behalf of the people of Lagos state.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by joeyfire(m): 4:49pm On Jul 13, 2010
@debosky

I'd love to ask - what makes you think that the money from the taxes on the project will be used to develop other areas of lagos. The billions raised every month in taxes hasnt translated to commensurate improvement in the rate, quality or maintenance of amenities. Rather there's been a lull. A visit to ajah which is my constituency will change your mind. You are right the project like every prioritised project by this administration is targeted at what , you said it - ''HIGH END INVESTORS''. I still believe that this government can afford to partnert with some investor to build DECENT medium income housing units in undeveloped tranches of land in places like EPE,Ikorodu, Okoko,etc

And for the record try googling Mega City and fashola in the same box and tell me that this government isnt sold on the idea and ''positioning'' the state
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by proudly9ja(m): 4:49pm On Jul 13, 2010
AjanleKoko:

The idea behind the Atlantic City is not a refuge for the masses. It's supposed to be a new business district. It will be at a premium.
Lagos State is trying to invest in infrastructure, attract quality investment, and boost its income from taxation, since the influx of investors is only going to ensure there is more money in the system, and more jobs for people. At least, from my point of view, that is what it looks like.

Public housing and amenities in lagos, which seems to be the concern of ezeagu and co, is a different topic entirely. Lagos suffers inordinately from inward migration, especially from non-tax paying citizens who only put more pressure on the already inadequate Lagos infrastructure. Maybe if other state governors, particularly the Nigeria Delta chaps with all their massive allocations, even try a bit to develop their states rather than blatant stealing, it would help a bit. And everybody would not have to move to Lagos.

And if you really look at it, the Eko Atlantic project will cause more problems for Lagos. More people will come in seeking the 'jobs' that will be created and most of these people will be those who cannot afford to buy/rent houses in the new city thereby competing again with the already over populated 'mainlanders'.

In my opinion, I think before government goes into such a project, they need to show us figures. How many people currently stay in lagos? How many of these can afford to stay in Lagos? In 2025 or whenever its being touted Lagos will become the 3rd most populated city in the world, which group of people will dominate this population (those who can afford accommodation or those who can't)? what then is the justification for the new project?
And what is Lagos REALLY doing about the population explosion staring at us?

And I totally don't buy into all these 'its a private sector funded project' talk. That's what they said about that piece of junk currently lying fallow at Marina.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by proudly9ja(m): 4:52pm On Jul 13, 2010
Just to state that I am not against the project, just that questions needed to have been answered before starting the project and even till now, question still need answers.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by Kobojunkie: 4:59pm On Jul 13, 2010
proudly9ja:

Just to state that I am not against the project, just that questions needed to have been answered before starting the project and even till now, question still need answers.

I think that is where a majority of those who have asked questions, including self, stand on this, but for some people asking questions is akin to being against the project and therefore you are labelled a detractor . . . lol

I would say you are best directing your question to the right authorities. Many of those selling this project online are only good at copy and paste and have no more information that you can get from google on this.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by Kobojunkie: 5:09pm On Jul 13, 2010
joeyfire:

[b] I still believe that this government can afford to partnert with some investor to build DECENT medium income housing units in undeveloped tranches of land in places like EPE,Ikorodu, Okoko,etc[/b]And for the record try googling Mega City and fashola in the same box and tell me that this government isnt sold on the idea and ''positioning'' the state

The government is supposedly already doing that bit. Only I am not sure how much the government is itself investing in this or what breaks are available for investors yet.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by debosky(m): 5:11pm On Jul 13, 2010
joeyfire:

@debosky

I'd love to ask - what makes you think that the money from the taxes on the project will be used to develop other areas of lagos. The billions raised every month in taxes hasnt translated to commensurate improvement in the rate, quality or maintenance of amenities. Rather there's been a lull. A visit to ajah which is my constituency will change your mind.

If that is your view, your opposition is against the government and not the project since, in your opinion, none of the increases in revenue (regardless of the project) will benefit the masses.


You are right the project like every prioritised project by this administration is targeted at what , you said it - ''HIGH END INVESTORS''. I still believe that this government can afford to partnert with some investor to build DECENT medium income housing units in undeveloped tranches of land in places like EPE,Ikorodu, Okoko,etc

If the current government’s aim is to attract high end investors and use the revenues to develop other areas of the state and is elected on that basis, then they must pursue it. I can’t speak for the government - they might have plans in the areas you mentioned as well.


And for the record try googling Mega City and fashola in the same box and tell me that this government isnt sold on the idea and ''positioning'' the state

You miss my point - Lagos IS a megacity by virtue of population alone, and it is not a treasured accolade for cities worldwide. That some people are buying a romanticised ‘making’ of a mega-city shows how fad driven Nigerians are. Regardless of that, if it helps Lagos attract investment, then good luck to them.
Re: Eko Atlantic City. . Construction Update July 2010 by debosky(m): 5:14pm On Jul 13, 2010
proudly9ja:

And if you really look at it, the Eko Atlantic project will cause more problems for Lagos. More people will come in seeking the 'jobs' that will be created and most of these people will be those who cannot afford to buy/rent houses in the new city thereby competing again with the already over populated 'mainlanders'.

With or without Eko Atlantic, the population of Lagos will continue to sky rocket due to rural urban migration. It is disingenuous to say that creating economic activity will cause problems for Lagos, when the people continue to come regardless of whether opportunities exist or not.


And what is Lagos REALLY doing about the population explosion staring at us?

That question should be directed at the FG - Lagos State's growth is primarily due to migration from other states. It is nearly impossible for Lagos State to do much about the population explosion without help from other states or the Federal Government.

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