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| Images From The Christian Inquisition by Nobody: 10:25pm On Jul 12, 2010 |
 Christianity promotes the idea that the faith was spread by selfless, righteous ''apostles'' travelling far and wide to preach and convert the ''heathen''. But nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is that Christianity was promoted through fear, torture, and death, in a series of continental inquisitions, Millions of people were tortured by Christians during the Inquisitions, first the Papal Inquisitions, from as early as the 3rd century through the 12th, and the Spanish Inquisition lasting from the 14th century to the early 19th century. Torture Methods Employed  [img]http://isiria.files./2009/04/inquisition_torture.jpg[/img] [img]http://corriecanuck.files./2009/03/aufziehen20der20inquisition.jpg[/img] [img]http://filipspagnoli.files./2009/07/torture-waterboarding-by-the-inquisition.jpg[/img] Waterboarding! (George Bush favourite):blink: [img]http://larvalsubjects.files./2009/05/inquisition-wheel.jpg[/img]   [img]http://atheisme.free.fr/Religion/Au_nom_de_Dieu/Au_nom_de_Dieu_02.JPG[/img] [img]http://atheisme.free.fr/Religion/Au_nom_de_Dieu/Au_nom_de_Dieu_03.jpg[/img] In the Inquisition, girls as young as nine and boys as young as ten were tried for witchcraft. Children much younger were tortured to extract testimony against their parents.¹ Children were then flogged while they watched their parents burn. A documented case in the Silesian town of Neisse reveals a huge oven was constructed, which over a ten year period, more than a thousand "condemned witches, some as young as two years old" were roasted alive.² Many victims were also extremely old, some in their 80's. This made no difference to the church. The christian church murdered, tortured, mutilated and destroyed millions of lives both directly through the Inquisition and indirectly through all of the wars they incited. The damage and destruction this religion has perpetrated against humanity is almost beyond comprehension. Most people aren't even aware of the facts. During the reign of the Roman Emperor Constantine (CE 306-337) the doctrines of the christian church were regarded as the foundation of law. Heretics (persons who opposed church teachings) were sought out, tortured and murdered. Heresy was an offense against the state as well as the church. For hundreds of years, civil rulers tried to stamp out all heresy. As early as CE 430, the church leaders declared heresy punishable by death. In CE 906, "The Canon Episcopi" was the first church body to expressly forbid the use of witchcraft. Before the Inquisition was fully underway, the church accepted heretics back into the fold, under terms it considered reasonable. The following is an example: For three Sundays, the heretic was stripped to the waist and whipped from the entrance of the town/village all the way to the church door. He/she was to permanently deny him/herself meat, eggs and cheese except on Easter, pentecost and xmas, when he/she is to eat of them as a sign of his/her penance. For twenty days, twice a year he/she was to avoid fish and for 3 days in each week fish, wine and oil, fasting, if his/her health would permit. He/she was to wear monastic vestments with a small cross sewn on each breast. He/she was to hear mass daily. Seven times a day, he/she was to recite the canonical hours and in addition, at Paternoster ten times each day and twenty times each night. He/she was to observe total abstinence from sex. Every month he/she was to report to a priest who was to keep the heretic under close observation. He/she was to be segregated from the rest of the community. There is no precise date for the beginning of the Inquisition, most sources agree it manifested during the first 6 years of the reign of the catholic pope, Gregory IX, between 1227 and 1233. Pope Gregory IX who ruled from 1227-1241 is often referred to as the "Father of the Inquisition." The Inquisition was a campaign of torture, mutilation, mass murder and destruction of human life perpetrated by chistians. The church increased in power until it had total control over human life, both secular and religious. The Vatican wasn't satisfied with the progress made by regional leaders in rooting out heresy. Pope Innocent III commissioned his own inquisitors who answered directly to him. Their authority was made official in the papal bull of March 25th, 1199. Innocent declared "anyone who attempted to construe a personal view of god which conflicted with the church dogma must be burned without pity." In 1254, to ease the job of the inquisitors, Pope Innocent IV decreed that accusers could remain anonymous, preventing the victims from confronting them and defending themselves. Many churches had a chest where informants could slip written accusations against their neighbors. Three years later, he authorized and officially condoned torture as a method of extracting confessions of heresy. Inquisitors grew very rich, accepting bribes and fines from the wealthy who paid to avoid being prosecuted. The wealthy were prime targets for the church who confiscated their property, land and everything they had for generations. The Inquisition took over all of the victims' possessions upon accusation. There was very little if any chance of proving one's self innocent, so this is one way the catholic church grew very wealthy. Pope Innocent stated that since "God" punished children for the sins of their parents, they had no right to be legal heirs to the property of their parents. Unless children came forth freely to denounce their parents, they were left penniless. Inquisitors even accused the dead of heresy, in some cases, as much as seventy years after their death. They exhumed and burned the accused's bones and confiscated all property from their heirs, leaving them with nothing. The actions of the inquisitors had devestating effects on the economy that left entire communities totally impoverished while the church glutted with wealth. They also crippled the economy by holding certain professions suspect. Inquisitors believed the printed word to be a threat to the church and interfered with the communication brought about by the invention of the printing press in the 15th century. Maps, cartographers, traveling merchants and traders were all placed under intense suspicion; a threat to the church. Although the church had begun murdering people it deemed heretics in the 4th century and again in 1022 at Orléan, papal statutes of 1231 insisted heretics suffer death by fire. Burning people to death prevented spilling of blood. John 15:6 "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." The nazarene quote incited all of this. The Spanish Inquisition happened several centuries later right up till the 1800s, and was distinguished by its gross brutality.  This device was mockingly called the "throne" (trono in Spanish), due to its resemblance to that item of furniture. The victim's ankles were placed in the stocks at the top, then he or she was left upside down until the increasing strain of that position forced a confession.  ''The throne'' in use. The edge of the throne forces the victim's spine to bend backwards.  In this more refined form of torture, the hot coals are in a brazier under the victim's feet. Oil is then ladled over the feet so that they roast rather than burn. This was done to keep the nerve endings intact as long as possible.  Orgy of the cutting of limbs. Was this where the Sierra Leonan rebels learnt their trade?  Soon after landing on the island of Hispaniola, the Spanish began their relentless search for gold. They told the New World natives that they had been living RENT FREE on the Pope's land for centuries and now it was time to collect the rent . . . with ARREARS!! Every three months, the Indians were forced to surrender a hawk's bell filled with gold dust. In return they were given a copper token stamped with the date. Those who were found without a current token had their hands amputated as an example to others. Others who resisted were fed to the savage Spanish dogs.The gold and silver was shipped back to the Vatican to fight the blessed Reformation of ''Saint'' Martin Luther. Saint Indeed. :bored: The Spanish told the New World natives that they had been living RENT FREE on the Pope's land for centuries and now they had to pay the arrears—with gold or silver!! From 1500 to 1540 at least 100 MILLION New World natives were killed by the Spanish or wiped out by diseases brought over by the Conquistadors. Other torture methods  The brodequin was used to crush the legs by tightening the device by hand, or using a mallet for knocking in the wedges to smash the bones until the bone marrow spurted out. People who passed out were further condemned as the losing of consciousness to be a trick from the Devil in order to escape pain. Burning the feet. Oil, lard and grease were applied to the feet before roasting them over a fire. A screen was used to control or increase the pain as exposure to the fire was applied on and off for maximum suffering. Also, as a variation, some victims were forced to wear large leather or metal boots into which boiling water or molten lead was poured.   Thousands and thousands of "heretics" were burned at the stakes throughout the duration of the Spanish Inquisition (the exact numbers are unknown). There was no such thing as an "alleged" heretic under the Inquisitions reign of terror; there were only "repentant" and "unrepentant" heretics. The Inquisitors came up with numerous gadgets to work within this restriction. They included: The Judas Chair: This was a large pyramid-shaped "seat." Accused heretics were placed on top of it, with the point inserted into their anuses or Instruments, then very, very slowly lowered onto the point with ropes. The effect was to gradually stretch out the opening of choice in an extremely painful manner.  The Head Vice: Pretty straightforward concept. They put your head into a specially fitted vice, and tighten it until your teeth are crushed, your bones crack and eventually your eyes pop out of their sockets. The Pear: A large bulbous gadget is inserted in the orifice of choice, whether mouth, anus or vagina. A lever on the device then causes it to slowly expand whilst inserted. Eventually points emerge from the tips. (Apparently, internal bleeding doesn't count as "breaking the skin."  The Wheel: Heretics are strapped to a big wheel, and their bones are clubbed into shards. Methods of execution Sawing: Heretics were hung upside-down and sawed apart down the middle, starting at the crotch. :shock: :shock: Disembowelment: Not the nice kind of disembowelment, where a samurai slits you wide open like a fish and you die in moments. Here, a small hole is cut in the gut, then the intestines are drawn out slowly and carefully, keeping the victim alive for as much of the process as possible. The Stake: Depending on how unrepentant a heretic might be, the process of burning at the stake could vary wildly. For instance, a fairly repentant heretic might be strangled, then burned. An entirely unrepentant heretic could be burned over the course of hours, using green wood or simply by placing them on top of hot coals and leaving them there. The last burning organized by the Inquisition was in 1834, when the Spanish Inquisition was officially abolished. But though Torquemada's legacy has been laid to rest, the Inquisition lives on. Based in Vatican City, the Holy Office of the Inquisition is still one of the most powerful branches of the Church hierarchy. In 1965, Pope Paul VI renamed the Inquisition as the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, but it was still basically the Inquisition.  Pope Alexander VI (1492-1503), His orchestrations gave the New World to Spain. He was a MONSTER of INIQUITY even by the standards of his day. |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by Nobody: 10:26pm On Jul 12, 2010 |
I wonder how many of our Nigerian brethren who troop daily to worship ''the Lord'', speaking in tongues, attending ''fellowship'' where they fall on the floor wriggling in ecstasy, actually know A SINGLE THING about the Inquisition. Their childlike, trance-like ignorance of their religion's blood-soaked history is really something to behold. |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by Jenwitemi(m): 10:33pm On Jul 12, 2010 |
This is a horror thread, rossike. Horror in the name of the "lord". I can't even stand to look at those images. I have read about the inquisition and it left blood chilled. |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by nuclearboy(m): 11:15pm On Jul 12, 2010 |
Truly gory, but your testimony is deeply flawed. [1] From history, we know the RCC had determined it had right to change laws and seasons, request taxes, demand worship etc. Some (who later became the protestant movement) hid and went about their christian life the way they felt was right. In fury, the RCC system hunted them down killing entire towns and in fact annihiliating totally 3 of the ten tribes that originally made up Europe. The excuse was not accepting God (them), harbouring such "heretics", etc and most of the torture stuff above was designed to extract confession which seemingly justified the killings, forced many to "recant" etc. Power corrupts and so, it became prime time on your enemies with everyone racing to tell his godfather that his neighbor was heard to have suggested the church was fallible or such. This could prompt/set off what would be considered a genocide by todays standard yet was based on mainly falsity. [2] Christianity has a textbook. The background to Christianity is the Old testament which in matter of fact, details an entirely different religion and way of life. Here on NL, we daily have debates as to the applicability of many of its concepts in the New dispensation. Could anyone show where in Christianity the inquisitors or should I say, the owners of the above equipment, got their marching instructions from? It is worthy of note that Christians are people who practise the ways of Christ, not people who just claim so - anyone could however destroy this assertion of mine by saying he/she is a Mercedes Benz and give me their key thus allowing me drive them cross country |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by Nobody: 12:00am On Jul 13, 2010 |
isnt it interesting that CHRISTIANS were themselves victims of this same inquisition at the hands of the RCC? Jenwitemi, as is usual with the large number of brainless hypocrites here, pretends to be appalled at the "horror" of this thread. Amazing that he isnt equally "horrified" by the attrocities of godless souls like Hitler. |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by nuclearboy(m): 12:02am On Jul 13, 2010 |
probably believes Hitler was a good Christian too |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by Tudor6(f): 5:13am On Jul 13, 2010 |
^^ Was good ol' hitler spreading atheism?? Hey i'm sure it was hitler too who enslaved africans to christianize them. Infact god allowed hundreds of years of the atrocities slave trade in his name to 'prepare Africans for his kingdom' and 'test their faith'. |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by MadMax1(f): 4:04pm On Jul 13, 2010 |
It isn't 'Christianity' at work there. It's the Roman Catholic Church and its priests and employees. Europeans may have brought Christianity here but they didn't originate it. They wouldn't get slaves if we weren't selling our kin for trinkets. The Asians had known Europeans for much longer and weren't selling their people to them. We Africans had been keeping slaves before they came, and we saw nothing wrong is selling fellow Africans to them. Yet it's those same Europeans that fought for the abolition of slavery, some of them at the cost of their own lives. America went to war with itself over it, North fighting South over slavery. It wasn't all the priests in RCC that went along with what was happening during the Middle Ages. But those who had the courage to protest had a habit of being burnt for 'heresy'. Those people had been led to believe, in the absence of a bible, that RCC priests can damn their souls for eternity, and so they did evil in terror of 'excommunication'. Stalin was an atheist who murdered Christians by the hundreds of thousands, and had them involuntarily committed to mental hospitals and tortured till they renounced God. Hitler twisted social darwinism into some romantic Volk nonsense where Aryans were the superior race and contaminants like Jews, Gypsies and the feeble must all go. At least thirty-five million people lost their lives through him in WW2. Mao wanted to implement radical atheistic Marxism, and something like 40-100 million Chinese died as a result. Cruelty is a human failing and has nothing to do with religion. There is no foundation in the Christian gospels for the evil the RCC did. Quite the opposite, which was why they kept the bible away from the 'masses' for over a thousand years. Christians didn't have a bible until the 16th century or so, and then only through the efforts of people like William Tyndale, who translated it into English. The KJV is based on his work. For his trouble he was hounded over Europe by the RCC, strangled and burnt. The bibles he had given out were collected by a RCC posse. His friends courageously continued his work. Christians in antiquity believed whatever the Roman Church told them to believe. It was when people began to read the bible for themselves and saw no basis in the gospels for all the excesses of the RCC, that they rebelled and separated from RCC, and things slowly began to change. Can the Catholic Church come now and say it wants to torture people and burn them based on its contents? The ignorance on which their power was based is gone. Ethiopia, one of the oldest Christian nations in the world, was not under the influence of the RCC and has its own bible, the Ethipian Bible, till this day. Europe did not originate Christianity. Ethiopia existed peacefully as a Christian country for centuries till one of its emperors was converted to Roman Catholism. That was the end of peace. Religious murder began. Ethipians who didn't accept Catholism were killed by the thousands. When an evil person has power, evil happens, be he a psychopathic Pope or Hitler or Stalin or Foday Sankoh. But what has what RCC did in the past to do with the present? No one is happy about it, but it happened hundreds of years ago. All the participants are long dead. They did not bring the Inquisition to Africa, they kept it within themselves in Europe. You can't deride Christianity for what some people did in the past. It's the same as saying Sani Abacha killed Saro Wiwa in the past, but both of you are psychopaths because you're both Nigerians. It makes no sense. The Middle Ages were evil times because evil men had great influence. Do you know many Catholic Christians fought what their own Church was doing then, some at the cost of their lives? If we had been living in those times would you have had the courage to do the same? You're trumpeting the evil some people did in the past, but what about the great good that many others did? Moslems are killing Christians in your country NOW. They killed people this week in Kano. I read of a Christian they threw a tire on and burned to death in your native country. Why don't you add the photo of that man burning to death to your collection up there? Why not incite people to despise Islam or the great mass of peaceful Moslems who do not support religious killing? Why not dredge up pictures of what Islamic authorities did to Arab Moslems in Saudi one thousand years ago and start calling Islam names and inciting non-Moslems to hatred of Islam? What's the point you're making here?There's more than enough evil going on in the world TODAY to occupy you. Perhaps you should spend your time drawing attention to those than bringing up a dead past that has no relevance to the present. There's no evil religion, there are only evil people. |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by MyJoe: 5:09pm On Jul 13, 2010 |
nuclearboy:Well, you can argue that he was a Christian, since he did not officially renounce his baptism and all. He certainly wasn't an atheist. He generally riled against atheism, promising to "stamp it out", but I guess given his love affair with the likes of Nietzsche (his works) and Mussolini some may argue he was just performing for the crowd. Mad_Max: I hope oga ROSSIKE has got something to chew the cud on tonight. |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by mazaje(m): 7:59pm On Jul 13, 2010 |
Do people really need to know about the inquisition? All the need to do is to READ the bible, Half of it is filled with Yahweh supporting and sanctioning violence(murder, rape, pillage and sacrificing other cities and its inhabitants as burnt offering unto Yahweh) against other people for reasons like worshiping other Gods, or because they are not his chosen people etc. . . .You don't need the inquisition, just read the bible. . . |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by Jenwitemi(m): 8:07pm On Jul 13, 2010 |
You're right about that, mazaye. It is very interesting to see christians distancing themselves from the evil deeds of fellow christiandom member church like the RCC, but on the other hand are stuck and doomed to defending the very same evil and gory acts of their god that the pages of the OT bible are filled with. mazaje: |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by Nobody: 8:34pm On Jul 13, 2010 |
Mad_Max: I'm not expecting Rossike and co to take this up. |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by MadMax1(f): 6:32am On Jul 14, 2010 |
Jenwitemi: If you knew anything about Christianity at all, you'd know it is based on the NT, not the old. Judaism is based on the OT. If you want to try and hold modern Christians responsible for what a few people did centuries ago, knock yourself out. No sensible or honest person would. And no 'defence' or explanations are due you from people who did not write the old testament. If you've issues with it, take it up with the authors. |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by Enigma(m): 8:29am On Jul 14, 2010 |
The "Yahweh is evil and the Old Testament is full of wickedness" spiel has indeed become rather tiresome! |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by mazaje(m): 10:05am On Jul 14, 2010 |
Mad_Max: Funny how some Christians are throwing their God and his Chosen men under the bus. . . .According to them they wrote down that their God was with them with his mighty sword of slaughter telling them to go and kill unbelievers and take over their lands, women and property, no? Why accept the NT and discard the OT? Even the NT is not too different from the OT God , no, Remember it was written that he instantly killed Herod and Ananias and his wife for provoking him, no? Christians: Jesus is a man of peace Jesus: Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by Jenwitemi(m): 1:21pm On Jul 14, 2010 |
It is the truth, so get used to it. It will keep on coming in your face as long as you keep on displaying this despicable entity called "yahweh" as the "good" and "just" creator of the universe. This is just the beginning. Enigma: |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by Jenwitemi(m): 1:25pm On Jul 14, 2010 |
Unfortunately, you cannot just discard the OT just like that out of inconvenience, because it is still very much part of the christian ontology, no? Besides Jesus' daddy is still the despicable OT deity, according to the christian doctrine. Mad_Max: |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by Enigma(m): 1:32pm On Jul 14, 2010 |
Enigma: Jenwitemi: Don't worry, we can endure it ----- like a broken record that we don't /can't turn off e.g. for politeness' sake!  |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by Bastage: 1:40pm On Jul 14, 2010 |
Jenwitemi: You are totally and utterly wrong. The OT can be discarded. How do you think Islam was formed? It took the OT and then discarded the bits it didn't like and kept the bits it did. Christianity itself did the same when Protestantism came into being. Christianity was (and is) an evolving religion. On a daily basis, doctrines are either reinterpreted or reaffirmed. To say otherwise shows absolutely no knowledge of the subject. As for the inquisitions (yes, they were plural, you fools) - again, we have people who have no knowledge of the subject using it to attack Christianity. Most who use them do not even know that there were four of them, that they were localised or what they entailed. The inquisitions were[b]not[/b] about religion. They were about political power and economics. It should also be noted that they were not a worldwide or even pan-European event and had little effect on the spreading of Christianity or on it's doctrines. They were not used to "spread" Christianity. They were used to stamp out comparitively small populations of "heretics" whom the churches (along with the political leaders of the time) viewed as being a threat to their own hegemony. I also laugh at the fact that people try to use examples of atrocities that are between 500 and 800 years old to state that Christianity is a violent religion today. If that were the case, you are tainted as a murdering child molestor because your monkey anscestors probably raped and killed other monkeys when they were living in the trees!!! History has uses. But it does not always have a use to justify an argument when things have clearly moved on in the mainstream. |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by nuclearboy(m): 1:52pm On Jul 14, 2010 |
^^^  ol'boy, facing you in the ring would be like going against a hungry ornery crocodile with both arms tied behind one's back. I'd like to see OP respond to this |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by MyJoe: 2:36pm On Jul 14, 2010 |
The inquisitions (I think historians who say "The Inquisition" have the Spanish one in mind) are a part of the history of Christianity and Christians admit that much. I should be mentioned for that purpose, but certainly not the purpose to which OP seeks to put it. That said, this is untrue: Bastage: There were gangster popes and bishops who were into politics and economics. But there were also Christian leaders who genuinely believed they were serving God - destroying the flesh to save the soul. There were Bible verses to back that up. To them, it was like correcting your child. Nor was it a wholly Catholic thing. Even John Calvin, the Protestant reformer, tortured people under the belief he was saving them. These facts should be respected. |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by MadMax1(f): 5:23pm On Jul 14, 2010 |
Gangster popes? You're too kind. Some of them were psychopaths. They went batshit with too much power. One Pope made it official doctrine that Popes were 'infallible' and cannot be wrong. Believe it or not, there are Christians that cannot connect the 'destroy the flesh to save the spirit' doctrine in Corinthians to the actions of those who later carried it out. In 2010, thousands of years after the bible was written, they themselves are living out their lives based on faith in the 'infallibility' and 'divinity' of the bible. Yet they find it hard to fathom that Christians in earlier eras also believed that the bible (and popes and priests) was 'infallible' and its formulas 'divine', and that they used verses in the bible to destroy other people. Not out of wickedness, but out of sincere belief they were doing good, saving the victims' souls. One person recently said that to 'hand over the person to Satan for the destruction of the flesh' simply meant to destroy the sinful human nature. Yet the person failed to explain the process by which a sinful human nature is handed over to Satan for destruction and why he himself, as a Christian, has not applied this mysterious process to destroy his own sinful nature. Others say it is 'ostracism'. But the verse didn't say 'drive the sinner out from among you'. It said 'hand him over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so his spirit may be saved on the Last Day'. It's perfectly clear, and many who believed the verse 'divinely inspired' did exactly as it said long after the writer of that verse was dead, sincerely wanting to save the souls of 'sinners' and 'heretics'. Blind, unreasoning faith is one of the reasons why the horror persisted for so long until people dropped their ignorance, saw the light and put a stop to it. It has no foundation in the teachings of Christ and is not Christian doctrine except to those who chose that it be so. It was horribly abused by a powerful religious caste for its own purposes. It was also heartbreakingly applied by others out of genuine belief. Some popes and priests did evil in antiquity, some popes and priests did not. Some priests protested the evil they saw and many of them died for it. The majority of the body of Christians took no part in these things but were themselves the victims. When our people were throwing twin babies alive into forests because they thought twin babies were an evil omen, it was a Christian that came to stop it. It's some of the same Christians that died by the thousands fighting for the freedom of the slaves some of our ancestors sold. No group of people is perfect and we're all ruled by self-interest. But ignoring all the good that many ordinary Christians have done and trumpeting ancient history to deride the present is ridiculous and a little irresponsible. There are just some very bad people, and for them, any excuse will do to commit atrocities if they ever have power. If the Bible or Quoran is not there, they'd find something else. Political ideology for instance, or the sort of racism and tribalism that leads to purges and genocides. |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:36pm On Jul 14, 2010 |
@Mad_Max, A lot of religious folks (including atheists) would not like to hear these bitter facts, but it has to be told. |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by MyJoe: 5:53pm On Jul 14, 2010 |
OLAADEGBU:Do you now agree as to why we should be careful in branding anything in its entirety - be it the Bible, atheists, religion, or anything at all - as infallibly good or irredeemably bad? Here are the issues: Mad_Max: |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by Nobody: 6:04pm On Jul 14, 2010 |
While the spanish inquisition are condemable.But the figures are greatly exagerated.In history atrocities has been committed by roman catholics,atheists,protestants,jews,muslims and virtually ever sphere of our religious instutitions world wide. To single out the roman catholics is ridiculous to say but the least. Even key figures in the socalled reformation like martin Luther and John calvin were also involved in the torture and killing of their religious opponents.Martin luther on his work "on the jews and their lies advocated the massacre of jews world wide.This same work was later to influence the nazi genocide.John calvin on the other hand endorsed the killing of micheal servetus because of his religious beliefs. Calvin believed Servetus deserving of death on account of what he termed as his "execrable blasphemies".[22] Calvin expressed these sentiments in a letter to Farel, written about a week after Servetus’ arrest, in which he also mentioned an exchange with Servetus. Calvin wrote: “ , after he [Servetus] had been recognized, I thought he should be detained. My friend Nicolas summoned him on a capital charge, offering himself as a security according to the lex talionis. On the following day he adduced against him forty written charges. He at first sought to evade them. Accordingly we were summoned. He impudently reviled me, just as if he regarded me as obnoxious to him. I answered him as he deserved, of the man’s effrontery I will say nothing; but such was his madness that he did not hesitate to say that devils possessed divinity; yea, that many gods were in individual devils, inasmuch as a deity had been substantially communicated to those equally with wood and stone. I hope that sentence of death will at least be passed on him; but I desired that the severity of the punishment be mitigated.[23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Servetus Even atheists like napoleon bonaporteand Adolf Hitler has caused untold hardship and suffering to humanity than all the years of catholic atrocities put togther. The worst pogrom occurred after the pentecostal reformation during the 30 yrs war when catholics and protestants went for each others jugular.Let me not even mention the myriads of atrocities committed in this present generatuion by muslims under the guise of jihad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by MadMax1(f): 6:51pm On Jul 14, 2010 |
OLAADEGBU: Oladeegbu, you keep surprising me. And you wonder that I like you and keep pestering you up and down. @Chukwudi44, Honey, MyJoe mentioned John Calvin, who wasn't a Catholic, doing the same thing. It wasn't just Catholic Christians. The RCC committed the most atrocities because it was incredibly wealthy and powerful,and had held the reins for more than a thousand years. And you have to admit some of your popes deserve an entire ward in a psychiatric hospital. But it's being pointed not all of them did these things, and many Catholic priests died fighting it. To me, that's the epitome of courage. The whole thing is a mixed bag of good and very, very bad. |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by Horus(m): 12:56pm On Jul 15, 2010 |
The Christian church murdered, tortured, mutilated and destroyed millions through the Inquisition and indirectly through all of the wars they incited. we have also witnessed the Christian sexual abuses of children, molestation and other vile acts that reveal the true nature of many christians and the effects their "god" has upon his followers. The pedophilia scandals are just a small sample of what christians are capable of. |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by muyiserra: 8:47pm On Jul 15, 2010 |
@ mad max I love and appreciate ur wisdom, am in fb try n lets b friends, Muyi serra add me pls |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by Dolemite(f): 10:49pm On Jul 15, 2010 |
Religion is a CURSE i swear. |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by Bastage: 4:35pm On Jul 16, 2010 |
Horus: No. You're making the classic mistake of fudging History. Of approximately 150,000 trials, it's reckoned that about 3000 people were put to death. As for the wars they incited? Debatable. The Crusades were responsible for the deaths of many but it's open to question wether the were all instigated by Christianity. Certainly there were instances of Islamic provocation. Also, many of the figures you will find are clearly inflated. For instance, the Albigensian Crusade which wiped out the Cathars is sometimes stated to have claimed a million lives. The truth is, there weren't even that many people alive in the Languedoc area where the Cathars were based back then. The whole of France itself would have probably had a population of no more than 15 million. That's not to say that Christianity or religion in general hasn't been responsible for many deaths. But compare it with Stalin's Red Purge in Russia, Mao's Revolution in China and Hitler's World War along with the many other conflicts that have been fuelled by nothing more than greed or politica and you will see that the playing field is pretty level. People are people. They don't always need religion to destroy their fellow man. |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by Nobody: 4:42pm On Jul 16, 2010 |
Bastage:Like the hausa fulani clashes in Jos. They claimed it had nothing to do with religion but on ethnicity. Even here on NL some posters destroy others with there posts, which sometimes have nothing to do with religion |
| Re: Images From The Christian Inquisition by petres007(m): 4:48pm On Jul 16, 2010 |
Mad_Max: Mad_Max, I believe the verse you're referring to is 1 Corinthians 5:5 - 5 you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. I know a lot of folks (like you) believe Paul, in this verse, was giving the instruction for the fellow in question to be killed, and that "his spirit may be saved on the last day". To be honest, it does appear that way at first glance. But upon closer examination, we find its not so. I'm going to try to debunk that idea first by making a point which is very easy to miss when one concentrates on that one verse and doesn't we step back and look at the big picture. Then I'm going to paste something from Albert Barnes which IMHO, wonderfully straightens this out for all. 1. The person Paul was referring to was the guy who was sleeping with his father's wife and disgracing the church. 1 Corinthians was the first of the two letters we have that Paul wrote to them. By the time the 2nd letter was written, the fellow was not only alive but had repented! So Paul asks that he be forgiven and received again here: 6 For such a one this punishment by the majority is enough; 7 so you should rather turn to forgive and comfort him, or he may be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. 8 So I beg you to reaffirm your love for him. - 2 Corinthians 2:6-8 My point - whatever the punishment Paul was talking about when he wrote in 1 Corinthians 5:5 was not one that would lead to the fellow's death as he obviously "survived" it, and was to be accepted back into the fold after he repented. 2. Albert Barnes on 1 Corinthians 5:5 Verse 5. To deliver. This is the sentence which is to be executed. You are to deliver him to Satan, etc. Unto Satan. Beza, and the Latin Fathers, suppose that this is only an expression of excommunication. They say, that in the Scriptures there are but two kingdoms recognised--the kingdom of God, or the church, and the kingdom of the world, which is regarded as under the control of Satan; and that to exclude a man from one, is to subject him to the dominion of the other. There is some foundation for this opinion; and there can be no doubt that excommunication is here intended; and that, by excommunication, the offender was in some sense placed under the control of Satan. It is further evident, that it is here supposed that by being thus placed under him the offender would be subject to corporal inflictions by the agency of Satan, which are here called the "destruction of the flesh." Satan is elsewhere referred to as the author of bodily diseases. Thus in the case of Job, Job 2:7. A similar instance is mentioned in 1Ti 1:20, where Paul says he had delivered Hymeneus and Alexander "to Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme." It may be observed here, that though this was to be done by the concurrence of the church, as having a right to administer discipline, yet it was directed by apostolic authority; and there is no evidence that this was the usual form of excommunication, nor ought it now to be used. There was evidently miraculous power evinced in this case, and that power has long since ceased in the church. For "the destruction of the flesh". We may observe here, (1.) that this does not mean that the man was to die under the infliction of the censure, for the object was to recover him; and it is evident that, whatever he suffered as the consequence of this, he survived it, and Paul again instructed the Corinthians to admit him to their fellowship, 2Co 2:7. (2.) It was designed to punish him for licentiousness of life---often called in the Scriptures one of the sins or works of the flesh, Ga 5:19 and the design was, that the punishment should follow in the line of the offence, or be a just retribution, as punishment often does. Many have supposed that, by the "destruction of the flesh," Paul meant only the destruction of his fleshly appetites or carnal affections; and that he supposed that this would be effected by the act of excommunication. But it is very evident from the Scriptures that the apostles were imbued with the power of inflicting diseases or bodily calamities for crimes. See Ac 13:11; 1Co 11:30. What this bodily malady was, we have no means of knowing. It is evident that it was not of very long duration, since when the apostle exhorts them 2Co 2:7 again to receive him, there is no mention made of his suffering then under it. This was an extraordinary and miraculous power. It was designed for the government of the church in its infancy, when everything was fitted to show the direct agency of God; and it ceased, doubtless, with the apostles. The church now has no such power. It cannot now work miracles; and all its discipline now is to be moral discipline, designed not to inflict bodily pain and penalties, but to work a moral reformation in the offender. That the spirit may be saved. That his soul might be saved; that he might be corrected, humbled, and reformed by these sufferings, and recalled to the paths of piety and virtue. This expresses the true design of the discipline of the church; and it ought never to be inflicted but with a direct intention to benefit the offender, and to save the soul. Even when he is cut off and disowned, the design should not be vengeance, or punishment merely, but it should be to recover him and save him from ruin. In the day of the Lord Jesus. The day of judgment, when the Lord Jesus shall come, and shall collect his people to himself. ^^^ Just my two cents  |
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