Okija_juju:

@ Cold

Please be careful with the statements you make to me. I abhor disrespect from anyone, especially those who dont know me. This is a public forum, we could be civil with our arguements. Insults dont make you appear as intelligent.

@ Topic

It's good that everyone seems pretty excited about patronizing made in Nigeria vehicles and all.

Like I said, this isnt the time for blind patrotism, if these made in Nigeria vehicles will break down after 6months and all tax payers money would be lost, I say NO! this is nothing but penny wise pound foolish. In that same light, if these cars have been put under an extended warranty and service contract with the manufacturers, with a guarantee that those vehicles will be of good service for a specified number of years, then by all means buy them.

All I'm saying is I'll hate to see us lose our money over blind patrotism. If Nigerians goods can match up in standard and qulity with the European and Asia goods, then sure, we will take them.

And these trials and errors would be done at the expense of tax-payers monies?? I really dont like the sound of that.

manny4life:

Where did he say it was with tax payers money?

redsun:

The true reality of the situation is for us to understand and get it right fundamentally.If we must have industries we must understand what it takes to run industries and if we must opt for qualities,we must understand what it takes to have qualities.Quality is a gradual process that starts with fake or rather inferior but with time,it shapes up with persistence,support,trial and error.

Kobojunkie:

[size=13pt]I disagree![/size]

We do not need trial and error in most cases. We just need to, like in so many other areas of Nigerian life to start doing things right. Remember we no longer have to INVENT most 85% of what we produce, we only need to make it right. If trial and error is what you subscribe to, then as long as it does not cost me anything, I am good, but when we start to inject government money( i.e people's money into these trials) then I have a serious problem with that.

Horus:

The Nigerian Gouvernment is right to patronise Nigerian products. There are no Nigerian restaurants in Chinatown and there certainly is no Chinese Food restaurant in Chinatown owned and operated by a Nigerian family. If a Nigerian person tried, the business would be shut down, before it started. Why??, Economic Violence. Every group of people understands practices and strategically utilizes the concept of economic violence, except Nigerian people. In fact the economic violence that we, as Nigerian people, practice is economic violence against ourselves. Economic violence is the art and science of using the exchange of money for goods and/or services as an aspect of ethnic warfare, survival and prosperity. The Chinese will not support a Nigerian business over their own, because they are not interested in ethnic suicide. The Chinese are logical, as self preservation is the most basic of human instincts. So not only will a Chinese person not support a Nigerian business over a Chinese business, they take it one step further and plant their business in a Nigerian community and implement plans to take Nigerian people's money. This ideological posture is pure and scientific economic violence. Replace Chinese with any other ethnic group besides Nigerian, and the picture becomes clearer. The above is not a condemnation of Chinese, Korean, Arab or white businesses at all. It is a condemnation of Nigerian people who have forgotten The "Nigerian First". Every ethnic group has mastered this concept except Nigerian people. It is in my interest to come from a powerful people. Therefore, my interest is committing economic violence on behalf of Nigerian people. That means purchasing a Nigerian or African person's service or product "first" before I purchase any other race's service or product.

Igwe-1:

Innosson products are unbelievably high quality. I was amazed at the caliber of products they had. I have been in those cars myself, and have been in different parts of the world driving different cars. I guarantee you that the quality of those cars will rival any car maker in the world. His young company is impressive and we should be proud of him. Quality is not his problem, patronage from Nigerian government and Nigerian people is and if i were him, i wil shop around and invade other willing african countries with those products. We should Celebrate Everything Good that comes out of Nigeria not condemn it.
Reading through these posts, i can see ethnic sentiments and biases. Its not about the man, its about All of Nigeria and the pride we take in ourselves. SHAME ON SOME OF YOU ETHNIC PIGS.

Vavavoom:

Instead of rambling and name calling_{which frankly tells alot about the caller} why not channel your energy towards promoting Innoson intelligibly by giving us hard facts about mileage-to-fuel ratio, how its suspension & transmission systems works equally as good as what is in the market, even better; statistical facts like these will more than move a pessimistic Nigerian to try the product, or you don't think so? People's natural instinct and allegiance to a product is first to quality; naim make u go hear even a lower class Nigerian respond with an ''e go last if i buy am?'' retort. So my friend it ain't all about putting out a Nigerian product just for the sake of it, its about meeting and surpassing already exisiting standards in the market that will gaurantee sales and longevity of Innoson. If e good like you say it is, I expect Ekenedilichukwu, Young Shall grow, and the lot of them to give it a go, after all charity they say begins at home, abi?

Innoson auto plant is presently producing vehicles according to orders placed by customers. Some of the buses were sighted on the East-Lagos route, while a popular transport firm, Autostar recently took delivery of some units of the air-conditioned midi version.

infobut:

@Okija_juju
Buying buses that wont last with tax payers money and the money goes back to tax payers and buying buses that still won't last forever and the money goes to some country which sounds like a better plan to you?

oyb:

i'm an engineer - and i'm constantly at odds with higher ups in my organisation because there is some bizarrre misconception hat you can get quality without spending money

i think its a nigerian thing - you tell someone this thing will cost 24 million, and they start oh with that money i can build a manision in lekki

matters are made worse by superioirs who have long since compromised and who make equally odd arguments

just recently, we were to renovate a building - the next thing i knew, i was in it because my costs were significantly higher than than those provided by a so and so contractor. i got a lecture on how if u are providing a proposal, your cost should not be more than 10-20% of a road side electricians cost

taht is the no one reason for quality issues in  nigeria - to paraquote - people wan dom perignon with gulder money

as to innoson motors, i only hope they will not follow the path of other nigerian 'entreprneurs' who simply sell repackaged/rebranded items fabricatyed in china factories at cut rate  costs


iot has been stated before - there is no real issue with china - ipods are made in chninsa. but what happens is tha a business man goes to some factory and says i want a genertor for $100 . meanwhile, the cost of a stndard generator is $150 so the compromise starts - rreplace standrd stell parts with plastic, change armature from copper to alumnum. in the end he has his $100 generator, which he sells in nigeria at an inflated price, and which fails during the first use.

the idiots in SON look the other way.

i am afraid that these innoson fellows may be following the naija model.

of course, the nigerian consumer also has his part - nigherians also are in love with cheap produvcts, which is why tokunbo has such a foothold in naja

Kobojunkie:

[size=13pt]I disagree![/size]

We do not need trial and error in most cases. We just need to, like in so many other areas of Nigerian life to start doing things right. Remember we no longer have to INVENT most 85% of what we produce, we only need to make it right.  If trial and error is what you subscribe to, then as long as it does not cost me anything, I am good, but when we start to inject government money( i.e people's money into these trials) then I have a serious problem with that.

oyb:

i'm an engineer - and i'm constantly at odds with higher ups in my organisation because there is some bizarrre misconception hat you can get quality without spending money
i think its a nigerian thing - you tell someone this thing will cost 24 million, and they start oh with that money i can build a manision in lekki
matters are made worse by superioirs who have long since compromised and who make equally odd arguments
just recently, we were to renovate a building - the next thing i knew, i was in it because my costs were significantly higher than than those provided by a so and so contractor. i got a lecture on how if u are providing a proposal, your cost should not be more than 10-20% of a road side electricians cost
taht is the no one reason for quality issues in  nigeria - to paraquote - people wan dom perignon with gulder money
as to innoson motors, i only hope they will not follow the path of other nigerian 'entreprneurs' who simply sell repackaged/rebranded items fabricatyed in china factories at cut rate  costs
iot has been stated before - there is no real issue with china - ipods are made in chninsa. but what happens is tha a business man goes to some factory and says i want a genertor for $100 . meanwhile, the cost of a stndard generator is $150 so the compromise starts - rreplace standrd stell parts with plastic, change armature from copper to alumnum. in the end he has his $100 generator, which he sells in nigeria at an inflated price, and which fails during the first use.
the idiots in SON look the other way.
i am afraid that these innoson fellows may be following the naija model.
of course, the nigerian consumer also has his part - nigherians also are in love with cheap produvcts, which is why tokunbo has such a foothold in naja

redsun:

You tend to see nigerian manufacturing industry in eyes of americans.

redsun:

W e are new in the business of munufacturing and there are boundto be mistakes that can be made right with strigent supervision,consistency,practice and patronage.Practice they say makes perfect,it is just the beginning and we are talking as if it the end,all we need is a reasonable and accountable admistrative scenerio for things to really pick up.

redsun:

Even world class toyota still make dangerous mistakes with their almost perfect track records in car productions.The greatest threats to made in nigerian vehicles will be the roads and traffic regulations in nigeria,not exactly the finish products.

infobut:

@Okija_juju
Buying buses that wont last with tax payers money and the money goes back to tax payers and buying buses that still won't last forever and the money goes to some country which sounds like a better plan to you?

Kobojunkie:

That is nothing but RUBBISH. I am the one trying to get you to see Nigerian manufactures as they really are in this. You are the one who continues to COMPARE them to their counterparts in the US/UK without really considering we are not and may not be in the next 20 years close to those standards. Please get your facts right and stop playing the "YOU ARE IN US AND SO I KNOW MORE" card that, in fact only reveals ignorance on your part on the real issue. WRONG AGAIN!!!
I don't know if you are even old enough to know that there was a time when Nigeria had quality goods manufactured and assembled in that country. I don't know if you are old enough to remember when we did not really see much of a difference between buying made in Nigeria and made in some other country or some other part. There was such a time when you looked good whether you are wearing made in Nigeria or made in some part of Europe, it only came down more to taste. You ate ice cream made in Nigeria and it tasted just like ice cream made anywhere else. There was a time when buying OKrika was considered low class . . matter of fact, it was more for the poor if anything.
Stop pretending we never had QUALITY goods made in Nigeria . . matter of fact, we did. Only we compromised and lost out to places like Taiwan, China etc.
Enough of the silly angles please!

redsun:

I bet you are just talking for talking sake no.I never compared nigerian CAR manufacturing or rather assembling industries with america because i know we haven't even started in that feild.You are the one saying that our products should be as good as that of the developed world and in the face of successive failed goverments that have plagued nigeria for the past three decades or more,you are still wondering why our baby shoot manufacturing industry is at the brink of collaspe.

I think you need a reality check because you tend to view things on the basis of an american with history of inventiions and technological development.As a nigerian,you have no history or precedences of such of and what ever precedences and history of technological advancement that might accrue later is starting now and we need to clear the ground for it to pick up before criticisms.

We have to learn to walk before we run. We have to earn our comforts by learning to tackle discomforts head on,not wishful thinking.

Igwe-1:

I cannot believe people are still arguing about this. I have been in those cars and they are nothing but quality cars. I do not have statistics on their performance, but from a subjective standpoint, those cars will stand the test of time, Ekenedilichukwu who is also from Nnewi will be fielding some of those buses soon as part of their expansion. Young shall grow, Chisco, Ifesinachi, Ekesons, Dandollars, Thanks be to God, ABC etc, all will follow pretty soon.

Posted by: Igwe-1

Kobojunk, Your tribalism will lead you to the hottest part of hell one of these days,

Get over yourself and support Nigeria no matter what they are producing now. Most big companies did not start strong. EVEN toyota was a low quality car and was discriminated against in their early days by Americans and europeans, but it took them decades to perfect their technology, now see where they are. Japanese government was proud of toyota and gave them all the support they needed to overcome the western stereotypes. Innosson is in that part and in the coming decades, he may be the one supplying the whole of africa thier cars. That should be your prayer not come here and make silly and unintelligent arguements.

Kobojunkie:

You are wasting my time !!! goodluck with your ramblings!