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| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by paddylo1(m): 4:39pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
You need food ,We cannot feed ourselves,Nigeria imports food. erm more opportunity for the entrepreneurs to make money and go into Agriculture. . . We dont feed ourselves not because we cant,but because we are addicted to nonsense like foreign rice And we are also importing finished stuff like cereal thats for rich folks the UN actually rates Nigeria as sufficient in food production. . although thats neither here nor there with regards this topic |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by paddylo1(m): 4:43pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
In fact, one can make that same argument for most any other country in Africa and in the world. Wrong. . . . . .u cant compare togo,liberia or botswana with less than 6million ppl to Brazil,russia,india and china , .what have u been smoking lately. . lol |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by paddylo1(m): 4:47pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
WOW . . . you are desperate to make a point on this, aren't you? Because the countries that Know better are paying their citizens to have kids. . while u are here yarning dust. . . U think Japan,Russia,Europe are all foolish for wanting higher population? or u dont believe it has something to do with the terrible economic consequence of declining populations in those countries |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by paddylo1(m): 4:55pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
[size=14pt]Halting decline[/size] Since 2006, in an attempt to reverse the population fall, the Russian government has been offering financial incentives to families that have a second child. The strategy of giving families a one-off payment of $10,000 (£7,000) on a child's third birthday has had immediate results. There has been an increase of 130,000 births from 2006 to 2007. The policy came too late for Alena and Alexander, but they did not need financial inducements to have more children. They have six, aged between 21 and three. They live in a very small house in the Moscow suburbs. Their large family is a result of not using contraception after having difficulty conceiving their second child. They have no regrets, despite struggling on a monthly income of $2,900 (£2,000). Alena supplements Alexander's income from writing and being a tourist guide by giving courses in child birth and child rearing for pregnant women. The classes include advice as well as exercises. More immigrants But children cannot form part of the workforce, at least not yet. So another government strategy is to encourage immigration. Since 1992, some 5.5 million immigrants have come to Russia And in 2006, Vladimir Putin's government introduced a new policy to attract Russian speaking immigrants of Slavic origin into the country. But the director of the Centre for the Study of Population Problems, at Moscow State University, Valery Yelizarov, is wary of this policy. "Russians are wary of foreigners," says Valery Yelizarov. "They do not like to mix with people from other cultures and faiths. "Now, with the financial crisis leaving millions of Russians unemployed, immigrants will be increasingly targeted by xenophobic attacks." There is no easy way out for Russia as it tries to halt its population collapse, but to do nothing could bring the country to its knees and ruin any hope it has of joining the leading economies of the world. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7971719.stm |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by Kobojunkie: 4:55pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
paddy_lo: Typical blind reasoning . . . pick up the action but never the reason for the action. So all you know is some countries are paying their people to breed but you completely skip the part where these same countries are a) selling a part of their population ideas like Planned Parenthood to ensure they do not experience a population explosion much like the one we continue to experience in africa b) these same countries have in the past reduced their population, and then gotten themselves to a point where they were able to sustain them before now urging them to have more kids to help increase work force NO, don't consider the main reasons. Just spew forth 'paying people to have babies' as rational for why more and more of what we have not been able to handle up to this point is a good thing for us. We have a seriously large workforce right now, and we remain far from being able to sustain them. Instead, you propose we create more and more people as war to solve our current problem of nothing being able to sustain that which we currently have . . . jeezzz!! |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by MaziUche0(m): 4:56pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
The way I see it, Nigerian's population will be good for business. As China grows wealthier and the wages increase for their employees, they will need a place where there is a lot of cheap labor. Nigeria could be that place as a source for cheap labor. Companies would move their manufacturing capabilities to Nigeria which would help us industrialize. That is how China got wealthy. I am a big fan of the Chinese model. |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by paddylo1(m): 4:58pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
Typical blind reasoning . . . pick up the action but never the reason for the action U are the one blind here mate. . . [size=14pt]Halting Russia's population collapse[/size] Demographic experts say Russia's steep population decline could have serious consequences for the economy. "The numbers are frightening," says Sergei Zakharov, from the Institute of Demography at Moscow's Higher School of Economics. By 2050, Russia's population could shrink from the current figure of 142 million people to 100 million, according to a United Nations sponsored study published last year. When BBC Brasil travelled to Russia as part of its series looking at where the BRIC economies - Brazil, Russia, India and China - will be in 2020 it found that the picture for Russia's population was bleak [size=14pt]Economic impact[/size] Population decline directly affects the country's economic growth and could also discourage international investors. "Where will the investor choose to invest?" asks Deutsche Bank economist Markus Jaeger. "In India or China, where the income per capita grows together with the population, or in Russia, where the income per capita is growing, but the consumer market is shrinking?" Social security could also be affected by the population crisis he says. "If the workforce is not renewed, there will not be enough people to pay for the pensions of retired workers. This could put huge strains on the tax system and could cause political tensions." Mr Jaeger adds that in demographic terms, Russia is in the worst position of any of the BRIC countries. He explains that India's population has been growing fast, while in China the workforce will continue to expand until 2015, when the population will start to age, but it should not decline. Brazil, he estimates, will benefit from an 20% increase in workforce by 2025. Mr Jaeger believes that Russia could face a population collapse. |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by Kobojunkie: 5:01pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
Seriously, I am the blind one? You have the CLUE right there in BOLD big letters and you still do not get it? you also have the statement below from your own post there "[size=13pt]If the workforce is not renewed[/size], there will not be enough people to pay for the pensions of retired workers. This could put huge strains on the tax system and could cause political tensions." These countries are fighting a decline and you are busy suggesting a surge as solution for another country stretched and unable to cope with the increase?? Isn't this is as silly as prescribing lobotomy as treatment for a headache [size=14pt] ROFLMAO!![/size]   |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by paddylo1(m): 5:06pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
selling a part of their population ideas like Planned Parenthood to ensure they do not experience a population explosion much like the one we continue to experience in africaU are really clueless. . dont u know the founder of planned parenthood was a racist?. . .or u want me to bring u proof of that too and they always target poor black ppl like in Brazil. . .where millions of women were sterilized without consent or didnt know it was permanent And Africa is not experiencing Population explosion thats a myth. .Africa is underpopulated. . . [img]http://www.bu.edu/africa/outreach/images/covimg.gif[/img] The continent of Africa covers nearly 12 million square miles (31 million sq. km). How big is that, you wonder? It's BIG! Africa could hold the land occupied by China, India, Europe, Argentina, New Zealand and the continental United States, with room to spare! |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by MaziUche0(m): 5:09pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
paddy_lo, Normally I disagree with you, but on this issue, you are singing my tune. Africa is very underpopulated. The land is blessed with so many natural resources, but it not being tapped into. Europe is overpopulated actually. "Depopulation Theory" is alive and well. |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by paddylo1(m): 5:13pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
These countries are fighting a decline and you are busy suggesting a surge as solution for another country stretched and unable to cope with the increase??No let me rephrase it for u since u are stuck on tunnel vision. . .too blind to see beyond your nose These countries are fighting a decline because a surge in population is what they need to keep their economy chugging along with growth,and avoid stagnation I am suggesting that steady population growth for Nigeria is good for economic growth,investor interest,huge domestic demand which translates to a buffer against worldwide shocks and so on. . . . |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by Kobojunkie: 5:20pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
[size=13pt]ROFLMAO!![/size] |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by bawomolo(m): 5:21pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
I really don't get the africa is underpopulated argument when you consider the average GDP per capita of these countries. what has sub-saharran africa does so far to support its population growth. or do we need more children being raised by UNICEF and doctors without borders? |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by paddylo1(m): 5:25pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
[size=14pt]The economic impact of an aging Japan[/size] The rapid aging of the Japanese population will dramatically reduce savings and wealth—and cut off an important supply of capital to the world. MAY 2005 • Diana Farrell and Ezra Greenberg During the next 20 years, the financial wealth of Japanese households will stop growing and begin to decline, leaving them with $8 trillion less than they would have if historical growth rates persisted, according to new research from the McKinsey Global Institute. Wealth will decline not only in the aggregate but also for average Japanese households, which will be no wealthier in 2024 than they were in 1997. The continual improvement in living standards the Japanese have enjoyed during the past half century will come to an end. The heart of the problem, as many observers have noted, is the fact that Japan is getting much older. By 2024, more than a third of the population will be over age 65—one of the developed world's largest proportions of elderly citizens. Retired households will outnumber households in their prime saving years, so savings rates will fall drastically. Equally important but less noticed is the fact that younger Japanese people are saving much less than their elders did. http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/The_economic_impact_of_an_aging_Japan_1614 [size=14pt]Japan deaths at record high as population shrinks[/size] Thu Jan 1, 2009 6:09am GMT Jan 1 (Reuters) - Japan was expected to chalk up a record-high number of deaths in 2008, a government report showed on Thursday, underlining the unprecedented pace at which the ageing country's population is shrinking. The health ministry report, based on preliminary figures of births and deaths registered at Japanese municipal offices, estimated there were 51,000 more deaths than births in 2008. The number of deaths rose an estimated 35,000 to 1,143,000, the highest since data started to be compiled in 1947, the report said. The number of babies born in 2008 was likely to have risen by 2,000 from a year earlier to 1,092,000 -- 2008 was a leap year with an extra day in February -- the report showed. "We are apparently seeing the arrival of a society with a shrinking population," Kyodo News Agency quoted the health ministry as saying. The first time Japan saw more deaths than births was in 2005. This was reversed in 2006, but deaths overwhelmed births again in 2007 and 2008. "The margin of (population) decrease is expected to widen due to the falling birthrate and the ageing population," Kyodo quoted the ministry as saying. Although the number of babies born in Japan increased for the first time since 2006, the country's birth rate remains among the lowest in the developed world. It also showed that Japan's fertility rate, or the average number of children a woman bears in her lifetime, stood at 1.34 in 2007, far from an estimated 2.07 needed to keep a population from falling. The rate for 2008 was not available. [size=14pt]Ageing Japan, with a population of 127.7 million, faces serious economic consequences as its population falls. Its low birth rate threatens to squeeze the economy by shrinking the labour force, which could weigh on its GDP, and leave fewer workers to support a growing number of pensioners.[/size] Japan expects more than a quarter of its citizens to be aged over 65 by 2015 and its population is set to shrink by a third in 50 years if current trends continue http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKT338210 |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by MaziUche0(m): 5:27pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
Africa is not overpopulated. People need to realize this. Our resources are not being used wisely, which is the main problem. Countries are more focused with cash crops instead of feeding their people. I don't see why Kenya would rely on exporting flowers instead of growing food crops, or Ghana would focus on exporting cocoa instead of focusing on their own domestic consumption. |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by ada24: 5:27pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
MaziUche0: ummmmm no offence but why would anyone look at Nigeria for cheap labour when basic infrastructure in Nigeria is lacking in the country, or foreign staff are scared of being kidnapped. We really cannot compare to India, china and Brazil in the near future and if care is not taken i see civil war coming to Nigeria - population increasing at this rate and its not like its the educated working class that are bredding like rabbits - the cycle of poverty will continue and frustrations will start to kick in for a huge section of the population. its sad that basic family planning is not practised in Nigeria - how can a crayfish seller have 8 children and think it is ok to still be pumping them out simply cos she still has fertile eggs - the mind boggles |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by Kobojunkie: 5:30pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
MaziUche0: That Africa's LIMITED resources are not being used wisely by Africans DOES NOT, I REPEAT, Does not imply that they are not being used at all. China has increased exports from Africa in the last decade by over 2000 %. Where do you think all that is coming from? From thin air? Your resources are being exploited, maybe not by you bu7t they are definitely being exploited and they are likely not going to be there tommorow when you decide to wakeup from your long slumber. |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by Basseti: 5:31pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
@ Paddy lo My argument is not about the universality of ignorance , it is more about where it is rewarded the most. There are fringe elements that called for a boycott in the US, the question is how many will heed that call?  Those same fringe elements scream about health care and welfare,,,,,funny thing is that they will be the first in line to apply for those services.In Nigeria, it is a different dynamics. Put a tribal spin on ANY matter and people will sheepishly follow without asking appropriate questions. paddy_lo: U are right on point on this one, we never even reach our maximum capacity An actively working and youthful population base can only translate to a fecund economy if harnessed well. |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by paddylo1(m): 5:36pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
ummmmm no offence but why would anyone look at Nigeria for cheap labour when basic infrastructure in Nigeria is lacking in the country, or foreign staff are scared of being kidnapped. We really cannot compare to India, china and Brazil in the near future and if care is not taken i see civil war coming to Nigeria - population increasing at this rate and its not like its the educated working class that are bredding like rabbits - the cycle of poverty will continue and frustrations will start to kick in for a huge section of the population. U have a right to your pessimism just as we have a right to our optimism. . .u see its the quintessential glass half full or half empty scenario U can invest overseas,while those that see opportunity will invest at home. . . Just dont be like that telecomms boss who regretted not investing in Nigeria when MTN and co were coming in he thought he was smart. . . .but managed to loose billions for his company by not being in the largest telecomms market in Africa. .  and for your info there is more poverty,or people in poverty in india than in Nigeria. . there is more ppl in poverty in India than in Africa as a whole There is more insecurity in India than in Nigeria. . . . of course u didnt know or care to know that. . . . If indians,chinese,SA and europeans are flooding Nigeria like someone said earlier,then there must be good things to be had in the future |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by Kobojunkie: 5:36pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
Basseti:We are talking of Nigeria and africa, right? Is it the case that we do not have a sufficient workforce to take care of and grow our economies if that was the need, right now? Well, lets check the facts Workforce consists mostly of people between the ages of 16 and 65 years of age Mortality age in most all of Africa hovers around[b] 50 years of age.[/b] So, if we reason this through, it is easy to figure out that we do have the work force to help build our economy so we do not need to increase our workforce. So the argument for paying people to have babies or increase population can be thrown out the window. in Layman's language,Since most of our people die off around 50, we do not have so many old people and young people unable to work that we need more workers to work to make more money so as to help take care of those who cannot work. Then we now look at employment rate in most of africa. It is around 40% in many of our countries, some even higher. If we are not harnessing the power we have(our work force) , what reason do we have to increase our workforce? |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by Horus(m): 5:40pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
With the growing population in Nigeria, we need to breed doctors, lawyers, scientists, ingeniors, teachers, public speakers, congressmen. And, we must find a way to instill these alternatives into the minds of our youth. Even though it may take a little longer and they may have to study a little bit harder, the results will be long term success for Nigeria. |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by paddylo1(m): 5:43pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
We really cannot compare to India. . . the cycle of poverty will continue and frustrations will start to kick in for a huge section of the population, . bla bla bla [size=14pt]More poor in India than Africa[/size]. Eight Indian states account for more poor people than in the 26 poorest African countries combined, a new measure of global poverty has found. [size=13pt]The Indian states, including Bihar, Uttar Pradesh and West Bengal, have 421 million "poor" people, the study found.[/size] This is more than the 410 million poor in the poorest African countries, it said. The Multidimensional Poverty Index (MPI) measures a range of "deprivations" at household levels. Developed by Oxford Poverty and Human Development Initiative (OPHI) with UN support, it will feature in the upcoming UNDP Human Development Report. The measure assess a number of "deprivations" in households - from education to health to assets and services. "The MPI is like a high resolution lens which reveals a vivid spectrum of challenges facing the poorest households," said OPHI director Dr Sabina Alkire. That right there puts it all in context dont it. . . . |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by MaziUche0(m): 5:45pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
ada24: You fail to remember, that China did not have the infrastructure either, until Western Corporation started investing in China so that they could tap into their cheap labor. The same could happen to Nigeria if we had a strong government, but as of now, we don't. I cannot look into the future, a civil war may happen, it may not. Only God knows. And from what I have seen, it doesn't matter what class you are a part of, even educated members of Nigerian society tend to have a lot of children. Having plenty of children is part of our culture. I am 1 of 6 children and both my parents are educated. |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by Kobojunkie: 5:48pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
MaziUche0: And this compares in what way to the millions of uneducated parents having millions of uneducated children how? Let me guess, as always we leave it all to chance rather than start now planning to curb the problems we have now so we can get to a point that we have more educated parents and maybe less children? |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by MaziUche0(m): 5:49pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
Kobojunkie: Kobojunkie, Only a small percentage of African resources has been tapped into. Do you know how many resources that can be found in Africa that has not even been touched? Right now Western Nations and the Chinese have only taken a little bit of Africa's resources. Our resources are being exploited by both the African elite and foreign companies, but we still have more than enough resources to turn things around. |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by SegunOpe: 5:50pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
check back in 30 years. |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by MaziUche0(m): 5:52pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
Kobojunkie: You see it as a problem, I see it as an opportunity. Focusing on education, opening up our markets to foreigners etc allows us to follow the Chinese model. You do know that the Chinese were once like us, until they got their priorities straight in which they focused on educating the children of their peasant families. Now look how they country is rising and economy is expanding. |
| Re: Nigeria’s Population May Hit 300m, Says UNIDO by Kobojunkie: 5:53pm On Aug 04, 2010 |
MaziUche0: ROFLMAO!!! . . . Let me even make an attempt on this @MaziUche0, are you basing this assertion of fact or the simply assumptions? I mean either we address our reality or we continue to create hypotheticals and fantasies while we continue to dig ourselves deeper in problems. Which one? |
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