Tosyn007:


We are talking experience against power, not intelligence. Now Sasuke is much more powerful than Hashirama, what I'm saying is that Sasuke with the experience he has and his level of power will be able to defeat Hashirama. Sasuke's power will overwhelm Hashirama and his experience

I used the intelligence thingy has an illustration. Sasuke has enough power to defeat hashirama, but his power won't overwhelm hashirama. Btw sasuke has no experience compared to hashirama, none at all. So when talking about sasuke's bio, mention only his power, don't say anything about his experience.

That is if you're comparing him to hashirama anyway.

teemy: thanks wacky for the clearup. i too kept wondering how itachi lost an eye to izanami while madara regenerated complete body after using two boulders to self destruct himself and onoki(sand kage)'s group. thanks once again dude

Madara regenerated completely because he was an Edo tensei.

Can somebody please Explain more about this "Sharigan Sealing" this is the first time am hearing this one o

WackyJ1: We Naruto Fans like to complicate things for ourselves

For the first time I am hearing that EMS is needed for someone to have a perfect susanoo. Hmm mm.
Because we saw a sixteen year old boy go through the different stages of a susanoo transformation with no help from anyone that uses a susanoo it means that everyone must go through it too.

The highest I can say is that perfecting a susanoo requires time (for the inexperienced) and a very high level of motivation. For the Uchihas it is hatred. Hatred makes the ocular power grow stronger but over time it gets sealed. Like I said earlier the only difference between the MS and the EMS like the name implies is that that EMS never loses its light and then you have the powers of the person's whose eyes were transplanted into yours.

The fact that the two people who had perfect susanoo s lost their siblings before they could perfect it does not mean that you must have EMS to be able to perfect it.

Susanoo does not need EMS to manifest, it only needs the two eyes to be present in one skull. The perfect susanoo to me is just a better dressed version of the incomplete one, Hatred is what is stated by tobirama the man who has actually studied the Sharingan to increase ocular power.

You can't blame them. Most took it as a fact cos the only people who ever had perfect susanoõ were seen with EMS till Kakashi. That's why I said this -

Feraz: Haba! It's a well known fact that EMS is needed to have a perfect susanoõ until Kakashi/Obito broke that trend. If it wasn't needed, Itachi/Izuna would have had theirs for quite a while before going partially blind/dead.

Then again, you may be right because the perfect susanoõ of the Uchihas didn't come to be perfect due to the fact that they usually go blind after prolonged use of their MS so that may be one of the reasons why we attribute the perfect susanoõ to the EMS (since we know the eye can never go blind or lose its light no matter how long it is used). That may also be the reason why Kakashi was able to use the perfect susanoõ because he had a jinchuuriki's chakra to carry it and that jinchuuriki wasn't just a regular one; it was one that attained part of the power of the Sage himself (which to me looks like Obito can never go blind - an assumption on my part though).

SIRcumalot: Can somebody please Explain more about this "Sharigan Sealing" this is the first time am hearing this one o

Sharingan sealing is more of the eyes becoming useless after certain conditions which includes:
1. Using Uchiha fuinjutsus like izanami and izanagi.
2. Using your MS for a speculated period of time.
The above are the only known cases of sharingan sealing.

Abeg make una stop diz sasuke overhype.. Overwhelm who...both in power and experience hashi get pass am..d only thing going 4 sasuke is his (shanegan) apart 4rm dat he his not even on naruto's level chakra wise talkless of hashi who acknowledge jubito bin stronger than him ..dat nah juubi jin oh(chap.378 anime).shey sasuke get dat kine confidence to talk like dat.. Make una recall the hokage revival arc where hashi broke edo seal just by rousing his chakra even though his is not in his prime.. Make una take una tym.. Overwhelm weytin person wey no get sage mode... Mtcheew.

WackyJ1: Secondly I would like to make a differentiation between cells that aid in physical regeneration and then a supernatural fun jutsu.

The reason why someone can come here and tell us that kishimoto does ass pulling is because we that do not even believe in ass pulling cannot properly defend the logic behind many things we see.

The inability of a mangeykyo sharingan user to see clearly after some time due to over use of his MS is not a physical problem. It is as a result of the gradual supernatural sealing of the sharingan eye. Eventually the eye will turn white and useless if the person continues like that.

Except you want to tell me that Hashirama's cells possess the ability to stop a fuuinjutsu then I will tell you to prove that. Because so far all we have seen from hashirama's cells is that it gives you a certain level of regenerative ability and great stamina and boost in Chakra levels.

Another correction to be made here, , hashirama's cells was not what enabled Danzo activate shishui 's sharingan in the sense that you are thinking, it did not directly influence the sharingan, it simply gave Danzo the physical strength to be able to bear the drain that using such a powerful MS technique would put on him since he is not an Uchiha. And naturally once shisui's eye has been used, it will take a long time to be used again. Abi did itachi 's crow have hashirama's DNA?

Again, you cannot categorically tell. Me that the only way that someone with the ability to make his body intangible escaped from amaterasu is by shedding of the part of Hashirama's cells. You are also making the assumption that amaterasu only touched half of him cleanly without any single bit touching the other half.

When a sharingan is sealed, it is sealed, sealing is not physical, it is spiritual. Itachi used izanami as an edo tensei, why didn't his eyes regenerate back.

Madara lived most of his life with one eye eve while having hashirama's cells implanted in him until he was about to die and he awakened the rinnegan in both eyes. Why didn't hashirama's cells give him back his sealed sharingan.

Sealing and physical regeneration are two different things.
Hashirama's cells have nothing to do with Obito not going blind from his extensive use of Kamui.

You have a point though. Touché

Feraz: Sharingan sealing is more of the eyes becoming useless after certain conditions which includes:
1. Using Uchiha fuinjutsus like izanami and izanagi.
2. Using your MS for a speculated period of time.
The above are the only known cases of sharingan sealing.

Thanks.
Why are we using this Lingo instead of the More common going Blind cause I see no difference ?
Kakashi and sasgay were losing the gift of Sight after Spamming MS there was no Sealing wat so ever.

Feraz: Madara regenerated completely because he was an Edo tensei.

thanks i got that. the askiance was on why itachi could not regen just one eye.

teemy: thanks i got that. the askiance was on why itachi could not regen just one eye.

Ok. WackyJ1 is right. Once the eye is sealed, it is.

Feraz: Sharingan sealing is more of the eyes becoming useless after certain conditions which includes:
1. Using Uchiha fuinjutsus like izanami and izanagi.
2. Using your MS for a speculated period of time.
The above are the only[b] known cases[/b] of sharingan sealing.

Haha you added known because kishi is unpredictable.

pickabeau1: Dude why would u seal an inanimate object in a deathgod

Ah! Good question!!!

A gourd containing earth shattering weapons doesn't deserve being sealed in a death god?

Djtm:
Haha if the shoe has a soul that can be sealed why not.

He didn't seal a soul hommie, he sealed chakra, why should something deplete in size if what you take is its soul?

Djtm:

I used the intelligence thingy has an illustration. Sasuke has enough power to defeat hashirama, but his power won't overwhelm hashirama. Btw sasuke has no experience compared to hashirama, none at all. So when talking about sasuke's bio, mention only his power, don't say anything about his experience.

He doesn't same experience as Hashirama, but his experience is enough to harness that massive power to defeat Hashirama. You said yourself that Sasuke has enough power to defeat hashirama

WackyJ1: We Naruto Fans like to complicate things for ourselves

For the first time I am hearing that EMS is needed for someone to have a perfect susanoo. Hmm mm.
Because we saw a sixteen year old boy go through the different stages of a susanoo transformation with no help from anyone that uses a susanoo it means that everyone must go through it too.

The highest I can say is that perfecting a susanoo requires time (for the inexperienced) and a very high level of motivation. For the Uchihas it is hatred. Hatred makes the ocular power grow stronger but over time it gets sealed. Like I said earlier the only difference between the MS and the EMS like the name implies is that that EMS never loses its light and then you have the powers of the person's whose eyes were transplanted into yours.

The fact that the two people who had perfect susanoo s lost their siblings before they could perfect it does not mean that you must have EMS to be able to perfect it.

Susanoo does not need EMS to manifest, it only needs the two eyes to be present in one skull. The perfect susanoo to me is just a better dressed version of the incomplete one, Hatred is what is stated by tobirama the man who has actually studied the Sharingan to increase ocular power.

from what i have seen ,unlocked powers MS of both eyes is needed to manifest susanoo, we saw how sasuke susanoo went thru various stages unlike kakashi/obito where the latter did a power bestowal via a spirit medium on tha former..It requires practise of chakra control and construct

Feraz: Ok. WackyJ1 is right. Once the eye is sealed, it is.

not everytime, in madaras case acquiring hashirama parts- the sealed eye was nullified becoming The Rinnegan.

Mutaino7: Abeg make una stop diz sasuke overhype.. Overwhelm who...both in power and experience hashi get pass am..d only thing going 4 sasuke is his (shanegan) apart 4rm dat he his not even on naruto's level chakra wise talkless of hashi who acknowledge jubito bin stronger than him ..dat nah juubi jin oh(chap.378 anime).shey sasuke get dat kine confidence to talk like dat.. Make una recall the hokage revival arc where hashi broke edo seal just by rousing his chakra even though his is not in his prime.. Make una take una tym.. Overwhelm weytin person wey no get sage mode... Mtcheew.

Dude was able to break ET cos its important ingredient was gotten from Hashi's DNA. You know yourself that someone who posseses rinnegan already must have a intense chakra, Sasuke has that now. Now they just came off a fight against
Madara and Kaguya back to back and the next he did was genjutsu all 9 beasts and CT them, no stress at all and you say he's not stronger than Hashirama. Hashirama that was tired after fighting an EMS Madara in his prime.

Is it not this Hashirama that Madara pinned down with chakra rods?

WackyJ1: Secondly I would like to make a differentiation between cells that aid in physical regeneration and then a supernatural fun jutsu.

The reason why someone can come here and tell us that kishimoto does ass pulling is because we that do not even believe in ass pulling cannot properly defend the logic behind many things we see.

The inability of a mangeykyo sharingan user to see clearly after some time due to over use of his MS is not a physical problem. It is as a result of the gradual supernatural sealing of the sharingan eye. Eventually the eye will turn white and useless if the person continues like that.

Except you want to tell me that Hashirama's cells possess the ability to stop a fuuinjutsu then I will tell you to prove that. Because so far all we have seen from hashirama's cells is that it gives you a certain level of regenerative ability and great stamina and boost in Chakra levels.

Another correction to be made here, , hashirama's cells was not what enabled Danzo activate shishui 's sharingan in the sense that you are thinking, it did not directly influence the sharingan, it simply gave Danzo the physical strength to be able to bear the drain that using such a powerful MS technique would put on him since he is not an Uchiha. And naturally once shisui's eye has been used, it will take a long time to be used again. Abi did itachi 's crow have hashirama's DNA?

Again, you cannot categorically tell. Me that the only way that someone with the ability to make his body intangible escaped from amaterasu is by shedding of the part of Hashirama's cells. You are also making the assumption that amaterasu only touched half of him cleanly without any single bit touching the other half.

When a sharingan is sealed, it is sealed, sealing is not physical, it is spiritual. Itachi used izanami as an edo tensei, why didn't his eyes regenerate back.

Madara lived most of his life with one eye eve while having hashirama's cells implanted in him until he was about to die and he awakened the rinnegan in both eyes. Why didn't hashirama's cells give him back his sealed sharingan.

Sealing and physical regeneration are two different things.
Hashirama's cells have nothing to do with Obito not going blind from his extensive use of Kamui.

Does blind equal sealed when it comes to sharigan ?

Djtm:
Haha you added known because kishi is unpredictable.

Haha. . .not really

Tosyn007:

Ah! Good question!!!

A gourd containing earth shattering weapons doesn't deserve being sealed in a death god?

Give illustrations

Was beihime sealed

I know of Weapons being summoned

pickabeau1:


Give illustrations

Was beihime sealed

I know of Weapons being summoned

Where are weapons summoned from, does it not look like a seal?

Didn't jiraiya seal amaterasu?

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Comic con is officially over.

Tosyn007:

Where are weapons summoned from, does it not look like a seal?

Didn't jiraiya seal amaterasu?

Interesting... While a summoning is a kind of seal n can suummon non living objects, to prove your point..you would make theories to justify sealing inanimate objecta in d deathgod...OK

You win

pickabeau1:


Interesting... While a summoning is a kind of seal n can suummon non living objects, to prove your point..you would make theories to justify sealing inanimate objecta in d deathgod...OK

You win

You have the floor, you can always bring up your facts to counter my theories. You can start with where you think weapons are summoned from

It all depends on your depth of imaginations

firestar:

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Comic con is officially over.

How was it?

Djtm:

I used the intelligence thingy has an illustration. Sasuke has enough power to defeat hashirama, but his power won't overwhelm hashirama. Btw sasuke has no experience compared to hashirama, none at all. So when talking about sasuke's bio, mention only his power, don't say anything about his experience.

Sasuke has no experience??

mtcheww this is what makes me vex for naruto fans,

The Most powerful person that hashirama has fought is madara without rinnegan,

Sasuke has fought Obito with rinnegan and sage powers, \madara with sage powers while also using senjutsu (through naruto), he has fought the mother or the sage of six paths.

What more does sasuke need to know again?

Even naruto fit beat harashima now, the world has evolved abeg, you guys should get over your hashirama hype

SIRcumalot:
Thanks.
Why are we using this Lingo instead of the More common going Blind cause I see no difference ?
Kakashi and sasgay were losing the gift of Sight after Spamming MS there was no Sealing wat so ever.

Don't make careless statements like this, Go and listen to itachi and tobi again.

Sealing is different from going blind. When you just go blind, regeneration can restore your eyes, but sealing, the eye is gone.
the Edo tensei jutsu gave us a compact example

pickabeau1:


Interesting... While a summoning is a kind of seal n can suummon non living objects, to prove your point..you would make theories to justify sealing inanimate objecta in d deathgod...OK

You win

Pickabeau

The uzumaki were a clan that specialised in sealing Jutsu and they were feared so much that they had to be destroyed .

if you are thinking that the sealing jutsus that you have seen are all there have ever existed and all that is being capable of then you are just being unimaginative. Sit down and reason what they mean when they say an entire clan specialised in fuinjitsu so much so that they had to be destroyed.
Orochimaru looked at a whole wall full of masks that represented various fuuinjutsu and only one was for the death God seal, what does that tell you?

You seal inanimate objects into scrolls and summon them from the scrolls.

WackyJ1:

Don't make careless statements like this, Go and listen to itachi and tobi again.

Sealing is different from going blind. When you just go blind, regeneration can restore your eyes, but sealing, the eye is gone, not just the eye, the power behind it. It just isn't spoilt, it is gone.
the Edo tensei jutsu gave us a compact example

Why did switching bodies not resurrect Orochimaru's arms? He has arms but he didn't have hands.

Tosyn007:

Dude was able to break ET cos its important ingredient was gotten from Hashi's DNA. You know yourself that someone who posseses rinnegan already must have a intense chakra, Sasuke has that now. Now they just came off a fight against
Madara and Kaguya back to back and the next he did was genjutsu all 9 beasts and CT them, no stress at all and you say he's not stronger than Hashirama. Hashirama that was tired after fighting an EMS Madara in his prime.

Is it not this Hashirama that Madara pinned down with chakra rods?

There's a difference between resisting the Edo Tensei and breaking free from it.... Madara didn't break free from the Edo Tensei because of something he got from Hashirama's DNA..., he was able to break free from it because he knew the seals to do that.... So even when the Edo Tensei had been undone by Kabuto (thanks to Itachi), Madara's soul didn't ascend like everyone else......

Having an intense Chakra on the other hand will only mean you can resist being controlled by the person that performed the Edo Tensei Jutsu, but if the Jutsu is undone, your soul will ascend and that will be the end.....

WackyJ1:

Don't make careless statements like this, Go and listen to itachi and tobi again.

Sealing is different from going blind. When you just go blind, regeneration can restore your eyes, but sealing, the eye is gone.
the Edo tensei jutsu gave us a compact example

Not carelesness but you could see how anybody could come to the same conclusion.
Question
Why could Tobi MS stand the test of time and Kakashi,Itachi,and Madara started to lose their sight after using theirs for a shorter period ?