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Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by Officialgarri: 4:30pm On Jun 22, 2019
This is no time to talk about the shortcomings or rather, incompetency of the Ministry of Labour.

I glanced through the recent version of Nigeria Labour law —Labour Act 2004, and I can agree it's a shallow draft that didn't know of its importance.

If I were to be bias, I would compare the Labour Act 2004 to the "Animal farm" laws that was tweaked to suit the farm leaders —Napoleon and the other pigs.

Without much ado, to avoid Under payment, I'm of the opinion that Employee's wages (instead being set by capitalist employers) — should be determined by the company's annual income and the Nigerian Labour body should follow up strictly on its compliance.
It is however left to the Employer's discretion to raise the wages higher than the set minimum wage.

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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by Nobody: 4:36pm On Jun 22, 2019
The government and legislature always have a role to play to prevent exploitation.

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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by Ykktulip: 4:40pm On Jun 22, 2019
Do you agree that people should be allowed to set how much to charge for the services they provide? Or should government also legislate and say no matter the quality of cake you bake, cake should not cost more than X Naira?

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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by Officialgarri: 4:47pm On Jun 22, 2019
Ykktulip:
Do you agree that people should be allowed to set how much to charge for the services they provide? Or should government also legislate and say no matter the quality of cake you bake, cake should not cost more than X Naira?
There's only a thin line between Slavery and Employee.

Your employees are the one building the company, generating income. Would it be fair to make 20 billion for your company and you are paid only 0.0001 percent? Obviously, the Employee treatment has been crossed into slavery.

There's a ministry that ought to cater for treatment of staff, but they seem to be looking elsewhere
Kay17:


What if the company makes a loss or consistent losses across many years?
A valid point here. But what about a system where every registered company is insured by the Government —state or federal government —depending on the size and nature of the business.
And then if the company runs at loss and can't keep up with a minimum wage, the Government would step in for the period to complete the payments.

I think this is an issue to be raised by the senate. angry

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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by Chuks9000: 5:24pm On Jun 22, 2019
It's at the discretion of the employer.
But they should be mandated to have an established pay structure so as to remove manipulation.

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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by yomi007k(m): 6:22pm On Jun 22, 2019
Ykktulip:
Do you agree that people should be allowed to set how much to charge for the services they provide? Or should government also legislate and say no matter the quality of cake you bake, cake should not cost more than X Naira?
The former description is for a capitalist society while later decribes a socialist economy. It will be difficult for government to fix prices unless they want to pay part of the production cost. The government will prefer to charge both employer and employee if possible without giving much in return. We run a "corrupt" capitalist system. That is why slavery in the nation is overboard.

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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by Nobody: 7:03pm On Jun 23, 2019
Without much ado, to avoid Under payment, I'm of the opinion that Employee's wages (instead being set by capitalist employers) — should be determined by the company's annual income and the Nigerian Labour body should follow up strictly on its compliance.
It is however left to the Employer's discretion to raise the wages higher than the set minimum wage.
Is that what is obtainable in other countries? If the employers should have their way on this, many employees would be exploited.
Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by Officialgarri: 7:37pm On Jun 23, 2019
asuustrike1:

Is that what is obtainable in other countries? If the employers should have their way on this, many employees would be exploited.
No, it's actually a ruling in favor of the employees. No one will be underpaid.

And you mentioned "other countries". Are you saying because it might not be practiced in other countries, then it is wrong for us to give it a trial?
Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by Nobody: 9:08pm On Jun 23, 2019
Officialgarri:

No, it's actually a ruling in favor of the employees. No one will be underpaid.

And you mentioned "other countries". Are you saying because it might not be practiced in other countries, then it is wrong for us to give it a trial?
The bolded " trial " ? What if it doesn't work?
Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by Officialgarri: 10:16pm On Jun 23, 2019
asuustrike1:

The bolded " trial " ? What if it doesn't work?
This is cowardice, I must say.

So we must wait on others to take a step before we imitate? . what's wrong in being a pioneer?

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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by Nobody: 10:58am On Jun 24, 2019
Officialgarri:

This is cowardice, I must say.

So we must wait on others to take a step before we imitate? . what's wrong in being a pioneer?
It is stupidity if we don't scale decisions.
Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by FalseProphet1(m): 1:26pm On Jul 18, 2021
Yes because as a prophet I charge my clients based on the magnitude of their problem and also their financial state, so it's at my discretion. And once the meet my needs they get solutions to their problems.

This I have seen.

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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by OmovuduTheBeast(f): 1:26pm On Jul 18, 2021
Onome Agbamu, you will not die well. God will surely punish that your big coconut head

Na so you carry people papa take dey play,
Dey pay full grown adult 17k every month and you dey fly your entire family go Europe any time you like.

Thank God say life is better today.
If men were God

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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by dmbb: 1:26pm On Jul 18, 2021
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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by kingsways: 1:27pm On Jul 18, 2021
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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by Sirmuel1(m): 1:28pm On Jul 18, 2021
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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by allen113: 1:29pm On Jul 18, 2021
Ok
Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by valentineuwakwe(m): 1:29pm On Jul 18, 2021
Let Nigerian govt and employees pay wages and salaries like in western world, every 2 weeks or 21days!

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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by Karleb(m): 1:29pm On Jul 18, 2021
There should be a body to look into this.

There is a school in my community, the least you pay per term is N150k but their entry level payment is N49k.

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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by grandeoj09(m): 1:30pm On Jul 18, 2021
Most employers in Nigeria were too wicked to pay reasonable pay to Nigerians

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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by efficiencie(m): 1:30pm On Jul 18, 2021
Officialgarri:
This is no time to talk about the shortcomings or rather, incompetency of the Ministry of Labour.

I glanced through the recent version of Nigeria Labour law —Labour Act 2004, and I can agree it's a shallow draft that didn't know of its importance.

If I were to be bias, I would compare the Labour Act 2004 to the "Animal farm" laws that was tweaked to suit the farm leaders —Napoleon and the other pigs.

Without much ado, to avoid Under payment, I'm of the opinion that Employee's wages (instead being set by capitalist employers) — should be determined by the company's annual income and the Nigerian Labour body should follow up strictly on its compliance.
It is however left to the Employer's discretion to raise the wages higher than the set minimum wage.


...then instead of recruiting people employers will basically go capital intensive and deploy the use of automation to displace labor...when that happens you will be back to square one, capitalists get richer and employees remain unemployed in their sapa republic! The free market is best mechanism for price/wage determination unless you want to live and die as an employee. Any attempt to fix prices/wages (as obtainable in a command economy) will ultimately hurt the very same people you claim to protect!

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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by Nobody: 1:31pm On Jul 18, 2021
Yah! Especially in Nigeria where finding work ain't too easy..
Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by candidbabe(f): 1:31pm On Jul 18, 2021
Yes because only the employers know what he is capable of paying.

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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by Joejonah(m): 1:33pm On Jul 18, 2021
Before you go ahead and confront your boss, make sure you are irreplaceable. Many people are jobless in Nigeria and running a business with this economy is not easy.

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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by CasNova: 1:35pm On Jul 18, 2021
Industrial law says wages can be negotiated and agreement can be reached.

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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by mikeuz(m): 1:35pm On Jul 18, 2021
There is a lot more to this things than you spelt out. So I will advice you to go research and learn more. There is also more about annual company income, these things I won’t go into.
However I disagree with the way you rubbished Nigeria labor law. The document might not be perfect, but it’s something very tangible to work with. Like every other laws in Nigeria, Execution is usually and still the Issue.

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Re: Should Wages Be Left Only At The Discretion Of The Employer? by Kokaine(m): 1:37pm On Jul 18, 2021
Officialgarri:
This is no time to talk about the shortcomings or rather, incompetency of the Ministry of Labour.

I glanced through the recent version of Nigeria Labour law —Labour Act 2004, and I can agree it's a shallow draft that didn't know of its importance.

If I were to be bias, I would compare the Labour Act 2004 to the "Animal farm" laws that was tweaked to suit the farm leaders —Napoleon and the other pigs.

Without much ado, to avoid Under payment, I'm of the opinion that Employee's wages (instead being set by capitalist employers) — should be determined by the company's annual income and the Nigerian Labour body should follow up strictly on its compliance.
It is however left to the Employer's discretion to raise the wages higher than the set minimum wage.

how would a new company know what its annual income will be when it can only project sales and services at best.

Besides, an existing company could possibly run at a loss in the event of the likes of covid lock down. Then what happens

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