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IBB, OBJ Clash by zenus(m): 10:52am On Oct 07, 2010
IBB, OBJ clash

‘You ruined our economy –OBJ’

‘You’re senile’ –IBB


A war of words has broken out between former military president, General Ibrahim Babangida and former president Olusegun Obasanjo.
Obasanjo had fired the first salvo in a speech he delivered at Redeemers’ University during the week, when he accused Babangida of ruining the country’s economy and subjecting the nation to bizarre political experiments during his reign as military ruler.

But in a swift reaction, General Babangida, while refuting the former president’s claim, observed that Obasanjo may have begun to suffer memory loss on account of his age.

Delivering a paper entitled: Nigeria at 50: What Manner of Celebrations? at Redeemers’ University, Obasanjo chronicled the events that landed Nigeria in the present economic quagmire by different regimes, both civilian and military, and came to the conclusion that IBB’s Structural Adjustment Programme (SAP) was the worst disaster that ever happened to the country.

“Under Babangida, we had the most bizarre experiments politically and economically. First, we had Structural Adjustment Programme (SAP) with devastating devaluation of Nigerian currency and subsequent destructive effect on the economy”, Obasanjo said.

The former president also described the political arrangement and circuitous transition to civil rule programmes under IBB as outlandish. According to him, the nation had a government which formed political parties with their manifestoes and constitutions written for them by the same government.

“Finally, we went into election, the results of which were stopped from being announced mid-way with the elections finally annulled without reason or cause. Then, Babangida ‘stepped aside’ without solving the riddle of the election.”

IBB, he said, “overthrew Buhari’s regime in a coup d’etat on August 26, 1986 and ruled the nation with draconian decrees for eight years before he controversially exited power after the annulment of June 12 presidential election.”

The ex-president equally took a swipe at the current political class, describing state governors and National Assembly members as extravagant, saying the cost of maintaining each member of the National Assembly has skyrocketed since 2000.

He revealed part of the reason why the late General Murtala Mohammed as Head of State refused to live at the Government House in Dodan Barracks. According to him, it had to do with the profligate manner in which the State House was renovated. 

“The cost of maintaining National Assembly today is ten times what it was in 2000. What has happened? The reason why Murtala did not live at the Dodan Barracks was the extravagance with which it was refurbished. Tafawa Balewa could not live in his due to public outcry. Today, our governors live in incredible houses all over the country,” Obasanjo lamented.

Commenting on the controversial zoning arrangement of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), he described it as arrant nonsense.

He said there was never any zoning arrangement at any time in Nigeria, but was quick to laud the principle of Federal Character.

According to him, zoning was an unconstitutional arrangement and anybody or party promoting it is only trying to perpetrate illegality.

“If I had died in office, would the country have replaced me with another Yoruba or Egba person? No. What I appreciate is the principle of Federal Character. If there are twenty people working in a government institution, the composition must reflect the ethnic diversity of the country. There must be Hausa, Igbo, Yoruba and the other ethnic groups. That is positive. Zoning promotes negativity. If we allow it, merit will be sacrificed and mediocrity promoted,” Obasanjo argued.

During the lecture, Obasanjo admonished the youth to stop believing in the mirage of being spoon-fed. Opportunities, he said, only comes to those who reach out for it.

“If you study my life, you will see that I am not a ‘siddon look’ person. Whenever I see opportunity, I take it. Stop the illusion that someone is fighting for you. Remember, if you don’t stand for something, you will fall for everything.”

The General said his generation introduced coup d’etat into the political system and also fought a devastating civil war to keep the nation together, admonishing the youth to strive to keep the country one, starting with the deepening of democracy and sustenance of rule of law.

On the crusade against corruption, Obasanjo said the momentum has atrophied abysmally. He noted that in 2006, during the heat of his regime’s war against corruption, everybody, both home and abroad, commended what his government was doing.

The drop in the intensity of the war against graft, he stated, is not due to dearth of personnel to do the job, rather it is because someone has decided otherwise.

He lamented that the country would be the worst for the lackluster attitude towards curbing corruption in the country, adding that when he was leaving power in 2007, the nation was rich in foreign reserves to the tune of $65bn but that that has reduced significantly to $36bn today.

The occasion was attended by the Visitor to the school, Pastor E. A. Adeboye, whom Obasanjo described as the most distinguished Nigerian, his wife, Mummy G O, the Vice Chancellor, Prof. Oyewale Tomori, eminent dignitaries from academia and the graduating students.

But reacting to Obasanjo’s comments about his regime, Babangida accused the former president of a deliberate attempt to distort history.

Babangida, in a statement signed by the Director, Media and Communications of the IBB Presidential Campaign Organisation, Prince Kassim Afegbua, said he was not surprised at the attempt by Obasanjo to distort history, blaming it on diminishing memory.

“We are not surprised at Chief Olusegun Obasanjo's historical distortions. You know, when our leaders are growing too old, diminishing memory easily sets in,” the statement read in part.

Continuing, it said: “Those who scripted the document of the Structural Adjustment Programme are some of the best brains that Nigeria had produced and given their knowledge about economics and financing, they were able to articulate the document that laid the foundation for the rediscovery in Nigeria. Those who blame SAP for whatever reasons are either ordinarily or deliberately being economical with the truth or at best quite unfamiliar with the blueprints contained in the SAP document.”

On zoning, the statement said some leaders may want to rewrite history as a consequence of waning memory.

“We do not blame Chief Obasanjo for his comments on zoning. After all, he was in prison when the politics of 1999 was playing out. He knows little or nothing about the dynamics that threw him up in 1999. Hence he could be excused on account of such ignorance, but to think or suggest that zoning is an illegality means that the government he ran, which was a product of zoning, was an illegality.”

Warning Obasanjo about the consequences of trying to distort history, the campaign organisation urged him to be courageous enough to state the truth at all times.

“We are of the opinion that leaders who know their onions should be courageous enough to say the truth at all times so that they could serve as good role models to the governed.”

Speaking further, it said General Babangida did his best for Nigeria when he served as military president.

“He built institutions that were later bought over by same people now accusing others of corruption.  When Chief Obasanjo talked about governors living in choice houses, we were going to ask for the location of his 'Shanty' house at the hilltop in Abeokuta.

“We were also going to ask how a man described by Mallam El Rufai as being very poor and having only a miserable twenty thousand naira in 1998, suddenly became a billionaire overnight,” the statement read.

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Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by jamace(m): 11:01am On Oct 07, 2010
IBB deceived Nigerians with SAP. While Nigerians were sweating under the weight of SAP, IBB was busy stashing his bank account abroad with our money.

See IBB's foreign account (including other thieves accounts):

www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-279550.0.html
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by SHEAU(m): 11:16am On Oct 07, 2010
IBB Vs Obj, Devil Vs Demon grin
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by vigasimple(m): 11:29am On Oct 07, 2010
Whatever the shortcomings of OBJ, he made a good argument that IBB camp can only 'shout and scream' because those OBJ words are absolute truth.  IBB and his team are the ones that are senile and suffereing from selective memory. NIGERIANS HAS NOT FORGOTTEN IBB YEARS(and should NEVER forget) even though it was over 17 years ago.

IBB singlehandedly destroy this nation because of his antics.

ZONING argument is a fraud by the Northeren political elites to have power back to the North forever. We Nigerians must resist it. They were 'BORN TO RULE' only 'loan' the power to the south to avoid break up of the Country after they murdered MKO Abiola., and without Abiola saga, the South will never have a true President from the south except interim government.

Do you zone simply to accommodate a region full of illiterates who cannot even advance the course of their own people or simply to advance the interest of the political 419 elites?
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by Nobody: 11:41am On Oct 07, 2010
Obj just hit the nail on IBB's head. . .
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by omojand: 11:50am On Oct 07, 2010
I love this man OBJ!! I feel him so much. Too bad he's so misunderstood.
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by seunmsg(m): 12:07pm On Oct 07, 2010
Good one coming from Obj, Ibb's people should address the point he raised and stop this he his senile rubbish.
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by MRMoneyE(m): 12:10pm On Oct 07, 2010
CLASH OF THE TITIANS grin grin grin grin grin
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by jude33084(m): 12:24pm On Oct 07, 2010
I am nt 2 surprise when some nairalanders try 2 support ibb, most of them where either nt born or where babies during ibb govt. Ibb is a cold blood killer??!!, he is ice and worst than abacha though abacha was a f*o*o*l??!!
Do knw how many times he made an attemp on the former tell magazine man's life? How can ait man even b his campaign manager??
speaking of memory lost, ibb and his campaign train shld go 4 medical whatever lol. God!
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by onyengbu1(m): 12:31pm On Oct 07, 2010
omojand:

I love this man OBJ!! I feel him so much. Too bad he's so misunderstood.

I kind of agree with you there.
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by vinooh: 12:37pm On Oct 07, 2010
wahooo IBB devil OBJ saint
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by sammyzacks(m): 1:01pm On Oct 07, 2010
If we do not have a strong man like OBJ today, it would have been difficult to silence IBB.
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by Nobody: 1:53pm On Oct 07, 2010
OBJ is not a saint but I've never seen a Nigerian that is so frank and with so much love for his fatherland like OBJ.

[size=16pt]You just have to give it to him[/size]
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by Nobody: 2:06pm On Oct 07, 2010
Obj V IBB  is like



Osunbor calling Anini armed robber
TB Joshua calling Oyakhilome herbalist
Nnamani calling Igbinedion useless governor
Odili calling ibori thief
Fela calling Bob Marley Igbo smoker
Michael Jackson calling Jim Nwobodo bleacher
Asari Dokubo calling Ateke Tom militant
Patricia etteh calling Salisu Buhari "Once a speaker"
Osariemen Osumbo calling Celestine Omehia "Governor Before"

they are 2 sides to the same coin.
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by reckless: 3:03pm On Oct 07, 2010
@bermuda1 thats a very intelligent comparison.
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by onyengbu1(m): 3:39pm On Oct 07, 2010
bermuda1:

Obj V IBB  is like



Osunbor calling Anini armed robber
TB Joshua calling Oyakhilome herbalist
Nnamani calling Igbinedion useless governor
Odili calling ibori thief
Fela calling Bob Marley Igbo smoker
Michael Jackson calling Jim Nwobodo bleacher
Asari Dokubo calling Ateke Tom militant
Patricia etteh calling Salisu Buhari "Once a speaker"
Osariemen Osumbo calling Celestine Omehia "Governor Before"

they are 2 sides to the same coin.

grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by jidsoon(m): 4:06pm On Oct 07, 2010
LOOTED MONEY DISCOVERED IN FOREIGN BANKS

NAMES OF DEPOSITORS LONDON SWISS($) USA ($) GERMANY (D)
GEN IBRAHIM BABANGIDA 6.25bn 7.41bn 2.00bn 9.00bn
GEN ABUBAKAR 1.31bn 2.33bn 800M
REAR ADMIRAL MIKE AKHIGBE 1.24bn 2.42bn 671M 1bn
GEN JERRY USENI 3.04bn 2.01bn 1.01bn 900M
ALH ISMAILA GWARZO 1.03bn 2.00bn 1.3bn 700M
ALH UMARU DIKKO 4.5bn 1.4bn 700M 345M
PAUL OGWUMA 300M 1.42bn 200M 500M
GEN SANI ABACHA 9.01bn 4.09bn 800M 3.01M
MOHAMMED ABACHA 300M 1.2bn 150M 535M
ABDULKADIR ABACHA 700M 1.21bn 900M 471M
ALHAJI WADA NAS 600M 1.32bn 300M
TOM IKIMI 400M 1.39bn 152M 371M
DAN ETETE 1.12bn 1.03bn 400M 1.72bn
DON ETIBET 2.5bn 1.06bn 700M 361M
MAJ AL MUSTAPHA 600M 1.001bn 210M
ANTHONY ANI 2.9bn 1.09bn 360M 1.66bn
BASHIR DALHATU 2.3bn 1.001bn 161M 1.43bn
GEN WUSHISHI 700M 1.301bn
ALH HASSAN ADAMU 300M 200M 700M
T Y DANJUMA 300M 200M 700M
GEN ISHAYA BAMAYI 120M 800M


SOURCE: WORLD BANK TO THE PRESIDENT OF NIGERIA sad sad sad sad sad sad sad
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by snapshot: 7:12pm On Oct 07, 2010
Even if OBJ is not a saint either,i think he is saying the truth.IBB destroyed the Nigerian economy and gambled with the unity of this country by annulling a free and fair election,but shamfully stepped aside.unfortunately this man wants to come back to be president.LORD HAVE MERCY ON US AND STOP THIS IBB GUY.
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by chosen04(f): 7:18pm On Oct 07, 2010
jidsoon:

LOOTED MONEY DISCOVERED IN FOREIGN BANKS

NAMES OF DEPOSITORS LONDON SWISS($) USA ($) GERMANY (D)
GEN IBRAHIM BABANGIDA 6.25bn 7.41bn 2.00bn 9.00bn
GEN ABUBAKAR 1.31bn 2.33bn 800M
REAR ADMIRAL MIKE AKHIGBE 1.24bn 2.42bn 671M 1bn
GEN JERRY USENI 3.04bn 2.01bn 1.01bn 900M
ALH ISMAILA GWARZO 1.03bn 2.00bn 1.3bn 700M
ALH UMARU DIKKO 4.5bn 1.4bn 700M 345M
PAUL OGWUMA 300M 1.42bn 200M 500M
GEN SANI ABACHA 9.01bn 4.09bn 800M 3.01M
MOHAMMED ABACHA 300M 1.2bn 150M 535M
ABDULKADIR ABACHA 700M 1.21bn 900M 471M
ALHAJI WADA NAS 600M 1.32bn 300M
TOM IKIMI 400M 1.39bn 152M 371M
DAN ETETE 1.12bn 1.03bn 400M 1.72bn
DON ETIBET 2.5bn 1.06bn 700M 361M
MAJ AL MUSTAPHA 600M 1.001bn 210M
ANTHONY ANI 2.9bn 1.09bn 360M 1.66bn
BASHIR DALHATU 2.3bn 1.001bn 161M 1.43bn
GEN WUSHISHI 700M 1.301bn
ALH HASSAN ADAMU 300M 200M 700M
T Y DANJUMA 300M 200M 700M
GEN ISHAYA BAMAYI 120M 800M


SOURCE: WORLD BANK TO THE PRESIDENT OF NIGERIA sad sad sad sad sad sad sad

]

If OBJ's name is not on that list , . . . . . . . . .Then Its not REAL!!!!
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by dayokanu(m): 7:20pm On Oct 07, 2010
Mr OBJ, What happened to the $16b budgeted for power plants project during your tenure

Mr IBB what happened to the Gulf Oil windfall accrued during your tenure

bermuda1:

Obj V IBB  is like



Osunbor calling Anini armed robber
TB Joshua calling Oyakhilome herbalist
Nnamani calling Igbinedion useless governor
Odili calling ibori thief
Fela calling Bob Marley Igbo smoker
Michael Jackson calling Jim Nwobodo bleacher
Asari Dokubo calling Ateke Tom militant
Patricia etteh calling Salisu Buhari "Once a speaker"
Osariemen Osumbo calling Celestine Omehia "Governor Before"

they are 2 sides to the same coin.


Best Response
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by chosen04(f): 7:25pm On Oct 07, 2010
bermuda1:

Obj V IBB  is like

they are 2 sides to the same coin.

Its more like being asked to choose between:-

T[b]HE DEVIL              [/b] AND      A DISASTER
  IBB                                         OBJ
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by Nobody: 9:58pm On Oct 07, 2010
Mtchewwww!!!!
Both of them are senile.
This is what happens when arthritis and memory loss starts kicking in.
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by MaiSuya(m): 10:21pm On Oct 07, 2010
jidsoon:

LOOTED MONEY DISCOVERED IN FOREIGN BANKS

NAMES OF DEPOSITORS LONDON SWISS($) USA ($) GERMANY (D)
GEN IBRAHIM BABANGIDA 6.25bn 7.41bn 2.00bn 9.00bn
GEN ABUBAKAR 1.31bn 2.33bn 800M
REAR ADMIRAL MIKE AKHIGBE 1.24bn 2.42bn 671M 1bn
GEN JERRY USENI 3.04bn 2.01bn 1.01bn 900M
ALH ISMAILA GWARZO 1.03bn 2.00bn 1.3bn 700M
ALH UMARU DIKKO 4.5bn 1.4bn 700M 345M
PAUL OGWUMA 300M 1.42bn 200M 500M
GEN SANI ABACHA 9.01bn 4.09bn 800M 3.01M
MOHAMMED ABACHA 300M 1.2bn 150M 535M
ABDULKADIR ABACHA 700M 1.21bn 900M 471M
ALHAJI WADA NAS 600M 1.32bn 300M
TOM IKIMI 400M 1.39bn 152M 371M
DAN ETETE 1.12bn 1.03bn 400M 1.72bn
DON ETIBET 2.5bn 1.06bn 700M 361M
MAJ AL MUSTAPHA 600M 1.001bn 210M
ANTHONY ANI 2.9bn 1.09bn 360M 1.66bn
BASHIR DALHATU 2.3bn 1.001bn 161M 1.43bn
GEN WUSHISHI 700M 1.301bn
ALH HASSAN ADAMU 300M 200M 700M
T Y DANJUMA 300M 200M 700M
GEN ISHAYA BAMAYI 120M 800M


SOURCE: WORLD BANK TO THE PRESIDENT OF NIGERIA sad sad sad sad sad sad sad


Please paste link of this info
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by houvest: 8:37am On Oct 08, 2010
OBJ is not on that list. Is it complete or is he a saint like Buhari? What they dont tell us is that this list is obsolete because by now those amounts are in multiplied figures. Their oil blocks are still churning out zillions. Current figures please.
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by jamace(m): 10:35am On Oct 08, 2010
OBJ is NATURALLY stubborn while IBB is BLOODY stubborn angry
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by Olaolufred(m): 1:24pm On Oct 08, 2010
jidsoon:

LOOTED MONEY DISCOVERED IN FOREIGN BANKS

NAMES OF DEPOSITORS LONDON SWISS($) USA ($) GERMANY (D)
GEN IBRAHIM BABANGIDA 6.25bn 7.41bn 2.00bn 9.00bn
GEN ABUBAKAR 1.31bn 2.33bn 800M
REAR ADMIRAL MIKE AKHIGBE 1.24bn 2.42bn 671M 1bn
GEN JERRY USENI 3.04bn 2.01bn 1.01bn 900M
ALH ISMAILA GWARZO 1.03bn 2.00bn 1.3bn 700M
ALH UMARU DIKKO 4.5bn 1.4bn 700M 345M
PAUL OGWUMA 300M 1.42bn 200M 500M
GEN SANI ABACHA 9.01bn 4.09bn 800M 3.01M
MOHAMMED ABACHA 300M 1.2bn 150M 535M
ABDULKADIR ABACHA 700M 1.21bn 900M 471M
ALHAJI WADA NAS 600M 1.32bn 300M
TOM IKIMI 400M 1.39bn 152M 371M
DAN ETETE 1.12bn 1.03bn 400M 1.72bn
DON ETIBET 2.5bn 1.06bn 700M 361M

MAJ AL MUSTAPHA 600M 1.001bn 210M
ANTHONY ANI 2.9bn 1.09bn 360M 1.66bn [/b]
BASHIR DALHATU 2.3bn 1.001bn 161M 1.43bn
GEN WUSHISHI 700M 1.301bn
ALH HASSAN ADAMU 300M 200M 700M
T Y DANJUMA 300M 200M 700M
GEN ISHAYA BAMAYI 120M 800M


SOURCE: WORLD BANK TO THE PRESIDENT OF NIGERIA sad sad sad sad sad sad sad


Assuming I put Obasanjo in the second position after IBB,

My Inference remains that the North has brought Nigeria to our dismal situation today.

And IBB is the greatest all time looter (Guiness book of record).
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by IBEXY(m): 2:47pm On Oct 08, 2010
see OBJ talking as if he is clean.
All heads of state right from after Shagari were "lootocrats"
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by Nobody: 2:48pm On Oct 08, 2010
goodmorning OBJ
goodnight IBB
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by PeeDaVinci: 2:57pm On Oct 08, 2010
Lovin OBJ's crude frankness
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by spearman(m): 3:01pm On Oct 08, 2010
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Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by juman(m): 3:02pm On Oct 08, 2010
All the programs introduced by IBB were badly manged. SAP, MAMSA and the rest were just introduced so that to siphone and steal our money.
Re: IBB, OBJ Clash by Mobinga: 3:04pm On Oct 08, 2010
pdp

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