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Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 7:43pm On Nov 03, 2014
@ emotional



Thanks, for am really enlightened. How do
you explain one under the influence of what i
will call an evil spell,could this also be
karma?

yes.



Is it that in the karmic circles nothing
like evil? or only the initiator could be treated
as evil while freewill comes to mind?

there is only action and reaction. negative actions and its negative consequences can be regarded as evil.


Soul travel- is it only about its realm or it also
deals with the past life before it incarnates?

with Soul travel you can explore the universes of God. the Causal plane or second heaven is where the records of souls past incarnations are kept and Soul travel can enable you to explore the plane and have a look at your past lives.
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 10:35pm On Nov 04, 2014
Happiness is not a matter of how your outer life
appears to someone else. Happiness is a state
of consciousness.


—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Obi901: 4:00pm On Nov 05, 2014
Most of the nonessentials of divine wisdom were invented or were openly promoted when Truth was forced to go underground due to persecution by the Church and state. These two groups did not wish for men to learn lest they observe ways and means of bettering their downtrodden condition and try to overthrow the established orders. The saviours did not have the worldwide means of instantaneous communication which we have today, and could not reach enough people to make their teachings effective enough to have lasting strength except for a few, like Christ and Buddha. So what we got as holy scriptures was little more than a pale reflection of truth. In many cases, it makes me wonder what is actually hidden in the hearts of many who know, but who will not tell the truth to the masses of people. It has been every man for himself, and much truth had been hidden behind symbolism in the writings of the Magi and wise men of the ages. A lot of guesswork by self-styled savants has been born and written for the public. Students of truth have been compelled to seek truth the best way possible, through records left, through researching among those living who have claimed to know and whose words have had to be tested. A lot of unsound guesswork has been made. Today all seekers have inherited the job of sifting out the useless and trying to rediscover what has been hidden or lost. It is a gargantuan task, and there are few authentic teachers and centers among the thousands of utterly useless promulgators of shallow doctrine.
. The experiences of the seekers lead them into realizing that something is beyond the sweetness and light of the leaders they may have been following. Mainly, this comes about for the simple reason that what they have been hearing and reading did not have agreement. Contradictions started them looking deeper into the subject and into their own experiences to find truth.Many learned that they couldn't share their newly hard-won knowledge because of the possible dangerous aspects of spreading truth.
. Once the individual becomes emancipated from the convention of society he can easily become a criminal in the eyes of that society. Few really want change, peculiar enough. Few understand that truth reveals itself only to those who seek it and love it. The whole purpose of spiritual training is, therefore, the absolute union with the Divine Self.
. Buddha said, "The summit of Reality can only be realized within oneself." The principal source of human life comes from within and from the depth of the Soul. The jewels of the ECK wisdom are seldom strewn along the highway for people, but are left to the individual to find and know. The masses are never lifted to the position of understanding, nor have the religionists ever wanted them to be. It would mean lost trade for the pseudo mystics.
. Yet many true seekers have found something. Hazrat Inayat Khan gave me a clue in his writings, "He who depends on his eyes for sight and, his ears for hearing and his mouth for speech, is still dead.


Sri Paul Twitchell
The Flute of God
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Obi901: 1:01pm On Nov 06, 2014
What Is Divine Love?

. Divine love means to love your neighbour as your self. To do that, you have to love yourself.
. Not the vain part of yourself, so that when you walk past the mirror you pat your hair and say, "Aren't I a good-looking one." Not that side. But the side that says, "I am a creation of God." This is the greatest gift that life could bring. And then, with the same voice, saying, " But so are you. You are Soul too. And if I am Soul and you are Soul, and we're both existing because of God's great love for us, then why can't we at least love each other as divine beings?


Sri Harold Klemp
The Mahanta the Living ECK Master
How to survive spiritually in Our Times
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Obi901: 8:14am On Nov 07, 2014
Seed for Contemplation

Learn to give, without ever thinking of a reward. That’s how to find the treasures of heaven.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 12:45pm On Nov 08, 2014
Even if you are living a nine-to-five life, you can
make it an adventure. We owe it to ourselves to
live life to its fullest in whatever we do. And the
motivation to do this must come from within.


—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 12:24am On Nov 09, 2014
The principles of Spirit are embedded in the literature and in the life of our culture. Truth is never hidden. It is always available for the Soul who wants to take the next step.


—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 9:49am On Nov 10, 2014
When we reach the point in our unfoldment
where we are treating others with love instead
of fear, anger, or vanity, we’ve made a very
important step back home to God.


—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 5:39pm On Nov 11, 2014
Whatever you are going through today is training for tomorrow. You need today to reach tomorrow.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Obi901: 8:47pm On Nov 11, 2014
Sri Lai Tsi

. Strength is not always apparent to the visible eye.
. True inner strength is rarely seen, for it takes special eyes to see it.
. "In order to have strength, there must first be a goal by which to measure the degree of strength. True inner strength means the goal will be Self-Realization and then God-Realization. The measure of strength is how well man can stay true to those goals. For example, those men boxing on TV. They train long and hard to build this type of strength. Then there is the second kind of strength, inner strength. It has nothing to do with annihilating an opponent, but is the building of the inner foundation and balance so that nothing can shake one from this point. Every champion touches this inner reservoir at one time or another. The difference between the athlete and the man going for God-Realization is that the athlete is limited by the condition of his physical body. The man of God is limited only by his desire for the higher states."
. The other factor, the most important one, is that an athlete is measured in comparison with other men and ultimately must beat them in order to remain champion. The man going for God-Realization competes with no one but his own lower nature. As long as he remains in the lower worlds, there is never a final victory or defeat, but one endless struggle. The inner strength is built around self-mastery of all that comes in his life. Not that he tries to control all things in his life, that would be an impossible and futile endeavor. What he tries to master are his actions and reactions to all that would come into his life. To be able to look and act upon all life from the Soul point of view. To know when to assert himself and when to give in, but always to act in the name of love for all life. When man can live his life in conscious and willing love, when the angers and passions of the world around him bounce harmlessly off the glow of Spirit that surrounds him, when nothing can move him against his will - for his will has now become the will of the SUGMAD- then this is true strength. Now, there is no measures, no separation of goal and beingness, for the individual and the goal are combined into one; he is on his way to true mastery!"


In the COMPANY of ECK MASTERS
Phil Morimitsu
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Obi901: 7:40am On Nov 12, 2014
God's Voice

. The Holy Spirit, remember, is the Voice of God. In the beginning was the Word. This is the Holy Spirit, the Word, the Voice of God. This is why we speak so often about the Holy Spirit, God's voice. God's voice speaks about love. We see this voice on the inner planes and out here as the Light. All different forms of light. We hear it as the Sound. All different forms of sound.
. You mix light and sound, and you have the building blocks of creation, the building blocks of the entire material universe. It's all created out of the Light and Sound, because they create energy. The Light and Sound are the primordial forces.


Sri Harold Klemp
The Mahanta the Living ECK Master
How to survive spiritually in Our Times
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Venerable612(m): 8:07am On Nov 12, 2014
benodic:

Whatever you are going through today is training for tomorrow. You need today to reach tomorrow.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul



morning Mr benodic!

Found ur coments quite insightful.
I seem to believ dat Enck... Is a corporeal of Philosophy and Mysticism.

Probably u jst xplain to me how you achive the soul travel?
Cum, ur xperiences wen u had a soul travel? Dats if u av.
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 2:34pm On Nov 12, 2014
@ Venerable612

Found ur coments quite insightful.
I seem to believ dat Enck... Is a corporeal of Philosophy and Mysticism.
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ECKANKAR is not a corporeal of philosophy and mysticism. it goes far beyond them. ECKANKAR comprises of two words, ECK and ANKAR. ECK simply means Holy spirit, the essence of God. and ANKAR means the way. putting the two together you get, "the way of the Holy spirit".

the Holy Spirit is the only way to God and leads each soul to all truth. ECKANKAR shows you how you can make direct contact with the Holy Spirit which changes your life completely, turning you into a lover of truth and a lover of all life.


Probably u jst xplain to me how you achive the soul travel?
Cum, ur xperiences wen u had a soul travel? Dats if u av.

Soul travel is simply expansion of the consciousness into other areas of awareness or planes of existence that are not accessible to the physical senses. it is a very natural process which every soul does, the difference is that some do it consciously and others do it unconsciously.

dreaming is a form of unconscious soul travel which every soul already does. at night when the physical body is at rest and the physical senses are shut down, soul's awareness opens into the inner planes especially the astral plane where most dream experiences take place. in the morning when the person wakes up , the brain is just able to remember fragments of soul's experiences in the inner planes.

in conscious soul travel, the soul expands its awareness into the inner planes while fully conscious and can be aware of the activities it is doing in many planes at the same time and fully remembers the experience.

the first step in achieving soul travel is by first purifying your consciousness and this is done by singing the Holy name of God HU. you sing it as a love song for 15 to 20 minutes with your eyes closed and your attention placed on the spiritual eye which is the dark spot you will see between the eyebrows when your eyes are closed.

diligent practice of the spiritual exercise over time will clear the impurities clogging your spiritual eye and in time your spiritual eye will open and you will start seeing the light of God and will also hear the sound of God which is the Holy Spirit.

in time too, you will experience yourself as soul slipping through the spiritual eye and entering the inner planes or heavens to see things for yourself. this experience will change you and you will become a knower.
note that the spiritual eye is actually the narrow way mentioned in the bible which very few find and which leads to heaven

i have had several soul travel experiences but they do not matter because it will never make sense to you until you have had the same experiences yourself. that is why we encourage people to make effort to have the experience themselves for that is the only way they can grow spiritually.

spiritual growth can never be achieved by arguments, counterarguments or by book reading.
experience and experience alone is the only teacher.
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Obi901: 11:47am On Nov 13, 2014
" Those who talk too much about the Supreme ECK and those who talk too much about realization are usually wandering around in their own minds, and are in the throes of struggle. If you will stop and think upon this fact, that the ability to contemplate does not come easily, then you will know that too many hope to find it as the easy path to God.
. "Many of the saints have been in silence for years before they became adept in the art of ECK and the ability to leave their body at will. It is said that Saint Paul had to study the art of inner silence for eight years in the Arabian Desert before he was able to say that he 'died daily.' So I tell you that if you desire to become a saint, you will never be one.



Sri REBAZAR TARZS
Stranger by the River
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Obi901: 2:38pm On Nov 14, 2014
Often people look at society, and they ask, What has happened to the sensibility of people? Everything seems to have gone mad. The values of a few years ago are thrown out the window, and what seems right is wrong and what is wrong is said to be right. And people wonder, as they look perhaps at their leaders, Where is Justice?
. The problem with us as people is, number one, we should be minding our own business. Number two, the Law of God has long arms. And the justice of God has a long memory.
. You can be assured that the complexity and fabric of life in which we live is regulated to the smallest degree - but not by the human mind. It's run by the Holy Spirit.
. We call this Holy Spirit the ECK, which means simply one, because It's the Voice of God. It's the source - where it all comes from. When God created all the worlds it was done through means of this Voice - the Holy Word, the Holy Spirit. That's how God created the heavens and the earth. Today everything is maintained at this level by the Holy Spirit.
. The point I want to make is about your relationship with the Holy Spirit, with the Voice of God. Because that is the means of talking with God.




Sri Harold Klemp
The Mahanta the Living ECK Master
How to survive spiritually in Our Times
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 3:55pm On Nov 14, 2014
As we raise ourselves in the spiritual
consciousness, we are better able to solve the
problems of life. We are happy. We are at home
in every environment.


—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Obi901: 5:26pm On Nov 15, 2014
The secret and unknown name of God was first given light by the ECK Masters - that which we call HU, the beginning and ending of all.
. The Supreme has been called various names in different languages, but it is known to those who recognize the real wisdom as HU, the name of the nameless one. The word HU is the Spirit of all sounds and of all words, and is hidden under them all as the Spirit of Soul. It does not belong to any language; no language can help belonging to it. This alone is the true name of God, a name that no people and no religion can claim as their own. This word is not only uttered by human beings but it is repeated by animals and birds. All things and beings exclaim this name of the Lord, for every activity of life expresses distinctly this very sound. This is the word mentioned in the Bible as existing before light came into this world: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
. The word, the avenue of Spirit, is the real liberation for anyone. The word HU was the first manifestation of the Divine Creator, and the rest of creation, including the ethers and other elements, were created by the sound of HU. The Spirit current, HU, was the prime mover and the first impulse that came from the Deity and also the first cause of motion, color, and form.



Sri Paul Twitchell
The Flute of God
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 6:24pm On Nov 16, 2014
How does one live the spiritual life? The answer is simply to live creatively, because each of us is working to become a Co-worker with God.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 8:26am On Nov 17, 2014
Many times the bounties of the Holy Spirit are
held back from us because we don’t ask. We
want something to come into our lives, and we
just sit and wait. But if we ask for it, we may
just get it.


—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Obi901: 3:17pm On Nov 18, 2014
But an interesting thing about life is that no matter what circumstances you find yourself in, be assured you belong there at that particular moment.
. Why? Simply because you're there.
. People will say that doesn't make any sense. But it makes all the sense in the universe. If you weren't meant to be in a certain situation, you wouldn't be there. And since you are, there's something there for you to learn. You will either learn it before you leave - or you'll miss the lesson and leave. But then you'll come back in a similar situation in the future to face the lesson again.
. The lesson is always about yourself.
. It is about how you can become a clearer, purer vehicle for the Holy Spirit. And the way this is done your heart opens to divine love. That's all there is to it.
. What opens the heart to love? It certainly isn't flush times when everybody's walking around with their pockets filled with money. The most interest in spirituality comes when life is hard.



Sri Harold Klemp
The Mahanta the Living ECK Master
How to survive spiritually in Our Times
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 8:52pm On Nov 19, 2014
When you ask for help, Spirit begins to bring changes that are for your good. Of course, this means you must be extra careful in the choices you make. Before Spirit can make any changes, you must develop a better image of yourself: You are Soul. God’s love is for you.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 3:30pm On Nov 20, 2014
Our freedom stops where someone else’s starts. This line is called responsibility.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Obi901: 9:53am On Nov 21, 2014
As time goes on, watch how the Holy Spirit begins to make changes in your life. Little things will happen. For instance, if you're looking for happiness, events will start to shape themselves where you have new choices. It's up to you to make the right choice, but doors will begin to open for you.
. Be aware. Watch the Voice of God, this Holy Spirit, the living water, pour into your cup. Be a worthy vessel.



Sri Harold Klemp
The Mahanta the Living ECK Master
How to survive spiritually in Our Times
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Obi901: 9:57am On Nov 21, 2014
Best Sleeping Techniques for Soul Travel

There are three main steps to prepare yourself for Soul Travel in the dream state:
1.Arrange your schedule to get as much sleep as needed to be fresh in the morning.
2.For a few minutes before sleeping, read from one of the ECK books to signal your intent to pursue spiritual activity during sleep. I recommend The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, Book One or Two, or Stranger by the River.
3.At bedtime contemplate upon the image of the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master. In this spiritual exercise, give an invitation to the Master like this: "I welcome you into my heart as my home. Please enter it with joy."

Then go to sleep as usual, but leave the eye of Soul alert to the coming of the teacher. Look for me, because I am always with you.

—Sri Harold Klemp
The Spiritual Exercises of ECK
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Obi901: 1:55pm On Nov 22, 2014
Sri Zadok of Judea

. The theatre, the stage, life in the streets of your metropolis - all are illusory. Yet they serve their purpose, for in their unreality, they bring Soul back to reality - to the ECK!
. The illusions man creates on the earth world have no value before Yama, the judge of the dead. There is no argument, there are no delays. Only justice.
. The man known as Jesus Christ was a contemporary of mine. We met on several occasions while he was preparing for his mission. We talked, but we both knew our missions were different.
. There are several differences. First, Jesus's teachings became the worship of the personality, for there was no other way to get his message to the people in the manner they would understand. This is the way of the saviors. He took on the karma of making his work known through the power of his personality.
. When the ECK Masters lead the chela to the Mahanta the Inner Master, there is no personality involved. The Outer Master is the teacher who clears up any misunderstandings he can on the outer, but when he leaves earth, he leaves karma - free. There are no karmic debts attached to his personality, for he has guided the chelas to the Inner Master - the Mahanta.
. Now it is the nature of the Inner Master to teach self - reliance and self - responsibility. Since he is the highest representative of SUGMAD, yet resides in the heart of man, there is no outside agent to pin any blame or guilt on. The Mahanta reveals more of himself to the chela as the chela is able to demonstrate responsibility for his own actions.
. On the other hand, the followers of Jesus believed that he would take care of the karmic debts himself. Those following him dumped all their transgressions on him, doing nobody any good.
. The only purpose of the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master is to guide the chela back home to SUGMAD. The rest is up to the chela. This is the difference between world saviors and the Vairagi ECK Masters.



In the COMPANY of ECK MASTERS
Phil Morimitsu

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Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Obi901: 9:04pm On Nov 22, 2014
"When someone gets a healing, it is because the time is right. He has come to the point where the Karma he is carrying is no longer necessary and it is quickly and easily passed away by the Master into the ECK."



Sri Harold Klemp
The Mahanta Living ECK Master
The Book of ECK Parables, Vol. 2
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 12:08pm On Nov 24, 2014
The principles of Spirit are embedded in the
literature and in the life of our culture. Truth is
never hidden. It is always available for the Soul
who wants to take the next step.


—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 10:14pm On Nov 25, 2014
The further you go in the spiritual life, the greater becomes the responsibility. And the greater the responsibilities become, the greater becomes the need for self-discipline.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 11:02am On Nov 26, 2014
When the blessings of Spirit are given to us
without struggle, we don’t recognize the
treasure that is in our hands.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Obi901: 3:03pm On Nov 26, 2014
Sri Frank

. Did you ever wonder why it is that children have laughter in their eyes?
. Because they have no fear. And having no fear, they rest in the loving arms of the ECK. Their trust in the ECK is like the swings they ride. They trust the upward exhilarating ride and experience freedom. An adult may fear that the chains might break, that the swing isn't strong enough to support their weight, or that they might lose their hold and fall. But children never think of that. They think only of the ride.
. Perhaps what makes adults tentative is that they once fell off the swing. Pain will either make one tentative or make one Love SUGMAD even more. A choice is always to be made after times of great pain. And this choice will determine which way the individual will choose to walk for a time - the road of love, or fear.
. I suffered some beatings in prison and discovered something about pain - every man has a pain threshold. When this threshold is breached, the will is broken. The will to resist the forces of the world, but also to resist the inner forces of the ECK. I learned that one can reach this threshold of giving up the will without going through the process of pain by surrendering to the ECK. You see, pain is merely friction caused by the tense grasp and resistance of the will, the ego, to keep Soul from accepting the inevitable - the will of SUGMAD. And our daily lives, one can see that pain is a reflection of desires. Life is simple. One can either desire the things of the outer life and constantly live in a state of pain or potential pain, or be like those kids on the swings - not wanting, but living in the heart of the SUGMAD, living for love and freedom, for the ride.
. By not holding inwardly to the things of material world, you can give freely of yourself to life. It's difficult to give anything of yourself if you're busy clinging to things that you feel are important. What could be more important than giving 100 percent of yourself at each moment? If the goal is God-Realization, then the only way to reach it is to emulate It - by giving love - for what does the Divine Creator create, other than love itself?
. Everyday life is nothing more than a series of problems to be solved. There's no escaping them. What makes the differences between men is that those on the lower end of the survival scale let the outer conditions and problem move and toss their inner states about. Emotionally, they're always in a turmoil, seemingly never able to gain control of their lives. Mentally, they can't control which thoughts enter their minds. But the experienced Soul is like the child that lets the SUGMAD speak through them via the ECK. They are the patient ones, because they know and trust that the ECK will reveal all of life's answers. They know that love exists all about them, for they have the eyes and ears to partake of it.




In the COMPANY of ECK MASTERS
Phil Morimitsu

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Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by benodic: 5:04pm On Nov 27, 2014
It’s a pleasure to be around someone who’s shining with the Light of God. People don’t always understand what’s going on, or why this person is drawing them toward him. But there’s something special there.

—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Obi901: 10:53am On Nov 28, 2014
Now briefly, so many people want this childlike state but the urgency of their physical needs causes tension and fear thus closing the channel between themselves and the Spirit. Anxiety and fear are tense emotions, fastening the person rigidly into the emotional plane of consciousness so that he cannot reach the spiritual plane where things come true.
. Competition intensifies the attitude of tension; tension springs from fear; fear arises out of excessive self-love; excessive self-love cuts one off from the contact with the ECK; thus, the qualities leading to satisfaction, happiness, and growth are not archived.
. Once you realize the importance of you, Soul, and your value to ECK, as a distributor of the Divine, you will relax. You will no longer want to grasp things before others can have them, nor to influence the will of others so that they favour you. Instead, you turn to this Spirit and merge with it, merge with all the forces as well as the ECK in others. Anyone who recognizes his own self, as Soul, relaxes at once, for he can truly say, "I and the Father are one."
. In this relaxed way, all channels from within are opened. Without causing injustice to anyone, the Spirit of you reaches out in Spirit, touching the Spirit of those who are concerned in the fulfilling of your needs, and increases your ability for helping others.
. It is not hard as one thinks!



The Flute of God
Sri Paul Twitchell

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