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An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Enigma(m): 1:34pm On Oct 25, 2010
From http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/an-ungodly-row-dawkins-sues-his-disciple-2115632.html

Josh Timonen was one of a small coterie of young protégés around Richard Dawkins, sharing his boss's zealous atheism. But now he and the evolutionary theorist have fallen out spectacularly. Professor Dawkins's charity has accused Mr Timonen of embezzling hundreds of thousands of pounds.

The two atheists had become close in recent years, with Dawkins, the best-selling author and Emeritus Professor of Biology at Oxford University, even dedicating his latest book, The Greatest Show on Earth, to him. But Mr Timonen and the Dawkins foundation are now preparing for a legal wrangle.

The Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science, has filed four lawsuits in a Californian court alleging that Mr Timonen, who ran its online operation in America, stole $375,000 (£239,000) over three years. It is claiming $950,000 in damages, while Mr Dawkins is suing him for $14,000 owed to him personally. Mr Timonen strongly denies the allegations.
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Nobody: 1:49pm On Oct 25, 2010
I wonder what's ungodly bout this. I truly wondr. Does enigma think straight at al?
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Enigma(m): 2:05pm On Oct 25, 2010
sauer:

I wonder what's ungodly bout this. I truly wondr. Does enigma think straight at al?

Typical of an atheist mumu.
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Mudley313: 2:17pm On Oct 25, 2010
Enigma:

Typical of an atheist mumu.

is laughing at the downfall of others (because they don't believe in what you believe) and using insultive words on people who disagree with you now one of the tenets of christianity? see what religious extremism can do to one; actually become totally hypocritical to the teachings you're trying to defend. most of you guys are lucky your gods fiery torture chamber aka hellfire does not exist like his azz, if not, most of you would have been doomed to spend eternity there as well
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Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Nobody: 4:34pm On Oct 25, 2010

Professor Dawkins's charity has accused Mr Timonen of embezzling hundreds of thousands of pounds.

But Mr Timonen and the Dawkins foundation are now preparing for a legal wrangle.

The Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science, has filed four lawsuits in a Californian court alleging that Mr Timonen, who ran its online operation in America, stole $375,000 (£239,000) over three years. It is claiming $950,000 in damages, while Mr Dawkins is suing him for [b]$14,000 [/b]owed to him personally. Mr Timonen strongly denies the allegations.
This is really an ungodly act by the godless soul.
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Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by UyiIredia(m): 4:56pm On Oct 25, 2010
hmmmm !!!! >>> i'm gonna ssit & observe how this one plays out
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Nobody: 5:04pm On Oct 25, 2010
Uyi Iredia:

hmmmm !!!! >>> i'm gonna ssit & observe how this one plays out

So will i, as this isn't coming from the theist
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Mudley313: 5:10pm On Oct 25, 2010
toba:

This is really an ungodly act by the godless soul.
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And below is a long list of godly acts by godly souls for you hypocritical souls to salivate over; whatever the lame intentions this thread is trying to convey

Aimee Semple McPherson, 1920s–40s

One of the most famous evangelist scandals involved Canadian-born Aimee Semple McPherson in the 1920s, who allegedly had an extramarital relationship and faked her own death as a cover. She later claimed that she had been kidnapped, but a grand jury could neither prove that a kidnapping occurred, nor that she had faked it. Roberta Semple Salter, her daughter from her first marriage, became estranged from Semple McPherson and successfully sued her mother's attorney for slander during the 1930s. As a result of this she was cut out of her mother's will. Aimee Semple McPherson died in 1944 from an accidental overdose of barbiturates.

Lonnie Frisbee, 1970s–1980s

Lonnie Frisbee was an American closeted gay Pentecostal evangelist and self-described "seeing prophet" in the late 1960s and 1970s who despite his "hippie" appearance had notable success as a minister and evangelist. Frisbee was a key figure in the Jesus Movement and was involved in the rise of two worldwide denominations (Calvary Chapel and the Vineyard Movement). Both churches later disowned him because of his active homosexuality, removing him first from leadership positions, then ultimately firing him. He eventually died from AIDS in 1993.

Billy James Hargis, early 1970s

Hargis was a prolific author and radio evangelist. Hargis formed American Christian College in 1971 in order to teach fundamentalist Christian principles. However, a sex scandal erupted at the College, involving claims that Hargis had had sex with male and female students. Hargis was forced out of American Christian College's presidency as a result. Further scandals erupted when members of Hargis' youth choir, the "All American Kids", accused Hargis of sexual misconduct as well. The college eventually closed down in the mid-1970s. Hargis denied the allegations publicly.

Marjoe Gortner, early 1970s

Gortner rose to fame in the late 1940s as a child preacher, but he had simply been trained to do this by his parents and he had no personal faith. He was able to perform "miracles" and received large amounts of money in donations. After suffering a crisis of conscience, he invited a film crew to accompany him on a final preaching tour. The resulting film, Marjoe, mixes footage of revival meetings with Gortner's explanations of how evangelists manipulate their audiences. It won the 1972 Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature, but was never screened in the Southern United States due to fears that it would cause outrage in the Bible Belt.

Jim & Tammy Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart, 1986 and 1991

In 1986, evangelist Jimmy Swaggart began on-screen attacks against fellow televangelists Marvin Gorman and Jim Bakker. He uncovered Gorman's affair with a member of Gorman's congregation, and also helped expose Bakker's infidelity (which was arranged by a colleague while on an out-of-state trip).These exposures received widespread media coverage. Gorman retaliated in kind by hiring a private investigator to uncover Swaggart's own adulterous indiscretions with a love-peddler. Swaggart was subsequently forced to step down from his pulpit for a year and made a tearful televised apology in February 1988 to his congregation, saying "I have sinned against you, my Lord, and I would ask that your precious blood would wash and cleanse every stain until it is in the seas of God's forgiveness."

Swaggart was caught again by California police three years later in 1991 with another love-peddler, Rosemary Garcia, who was riding with him in his car when he was stopped for driving on the wrong side of the road. When asked why she was with Swaggart, she replied, "He asked me for sex. I mean, that's why he stopped me. That's what I do. I'm a love-peddler."

Peter Popoff, 1987

A self-proclaimed prophet and faith healer in the 1980s, Popoff's ministry went bankrupt in 1987 after magician and skeptic James Randi and Steve Shaw debunked his methods by showing that instead of receiving information about audience members from supernatural sources, he received it through an in-ear receiver.

Morris Cerullo, 1990s

A number of incidents involving California-based televangelist Morris Cerullo caused outrage in the United Kingdom during the 1990s. Cerullo's claims of faith healing were the focus of particular concern. At a London crusade in 1992, he pronounced a child cancer sufferer to be healed, yet the girl died two months later. Multiple complaints were upheld against satellite television channels transmitting Cerullo's claims of faith-healing, and a panel of doctors concluded that Cerullo's claims of miraculous healing powers could not be substantiated. Cerullo also produced fund-raising material, which was condemned as unethical by a number of religious leaders, as it implied that giving money to his organisation would result in family members becoming Christians.[9]

Mike Warnke, 1991

Warnke was a popular Christian evangelist and comedian during the 1970s and 1980s. He claimed in his autobiography, The Satan Seller (1973), that he had once been deeply involved in a Satanic cult and was a Satanic priest before converting to Christianity. In 1991, Cornerstone magazine launched an investigation into Warnke's life and testimony. It investigated Warnke's life, from interviews with over one hundred personal friends and acquaintances, to his ministry's tax receipts. Its investigation turned up damaging evidence of fraud and deceit. The investigation also revealed the unflattering circumstances surrounding Warnke's multiple marriages, affairs, and divorces. Most critically, however, the investigation showed how Warnke could not possibly have done the many things he claimed to have done throughout his nine-month tenure as a Satanist, much less become a drug-addicted dealer or become a Satanic high priest.

Robert Tilton, 1991

Tilton is an American televangelist who achieved notoriety in the 1980s and early 1990s through his paid television program Success-N-Life. At its peak, it aired in all 235 American TV markets. In 1991, Diane Sawyer and ABC News conducted an investigation of Tilton. The investigation, broadcast on ABC's Primetime Live on November 21, 1991, found that Tilton's ministry threw away prayer requests without reading them, keeping only the money or valuables sent to them by viewers, garnering his ministry an estimated $80 million USD a year. In the original investigation, one of Tilton's former prayer hotline operators claimed that the ministry cared little for desperate followers who called for prayer, saying that Tilton had a computer installed in July 1989 to make sure that the phone operators were off the line in seven minutes. Tilton sued ABC for libel in 1992, but the case was dismissed in 1993, and Tilton's show was off the air by October 30, 1993.

W. V. Grant, 1996 and 2003

Like Peter Popoff, Grant was investigated by James Randi regarding his faith healing claims. He was then imprisoned for tax evasion in 1996. After restarting his ministry upon release, a TV investigation found that claims of healing he made at a 2003 revival in Atlanta were false.

Bob Moorehead, 1998

Moorehead, pastor of the Overlake Christian Church from the 1970s to June, 1998 was arrested in July, 1996 on a charge of indecent exposure in a public restroom in Daytona Beach, Florida. He stepped down amid allegations of molestation of adult members during baptism and wedding ceremonies that went back up to 20 years earlier.

Roy Clements, 1999

Clements was a prominent figure within British evangelical christianity. In 1999, he revealed he was in a homosexual relationship with another man, resigned his pastorship, and separated from his wife. He had written a number of well-received books which were withdrawn from sale when the news broke.

John Paulk, 2000

John Paulk (no relation to Earl Paulk) is a former leader of Focus on the Family's Love Won Out conference and former chairman of the board for Exodus International North America. His claimed shedding of homosexuality is also the subject of his autobiography Not Afraid to Change. In September 2000, Paulk was found and photographed in a Washington, D.C. gay bar, and accused by opponents of flirting with male patrons at the bar. Later questioned by gay rights activist Wayne Besen, Paulk denied being in the bar despite photographic proof to the contrary. Initially, FoF's Dr. James Dobson sided with Paulk and supported his claims. Subsequently, Paulk, who himself had written about his habit of lying while he openly lived as a homosexual, confessed to being in the bar, but claimed he entered the establishment for reasons other than sexual pursuits. Paulk retained his Board seat for Exodus, however he did so while on probation. Paulk did not run again for chairman of the board of Exodus when his term expired.

Paul Crouch, 2004

Paul Crouch is the founder and president of the Trinity Broadcasting Network, or TBN, the world's largest evangelical Christian television network, as well as the former host of TBN's flagship variety show, Praise the Lord. In September 2004, the Los Angeles Times published a series of articles raising questions about the fundraising practices and financial transparency of TBN, as well as the allegations of a former ministry employee, Enoch Lonnie Ford, that he had a homosexual affair with Crouch during the 1990s. The Times spoke with several sources that claimed that other evangelists such as Benny Hinn, Jack Hayford, and Paul's son Matthew were aware that an affair had taken place. TBN denied the allegations, claiming that Ford's claims were part of an extortion scheme and that the Times was a "left-wing and anti-Christian newspaper" for publishing the articles. In 2005, Ford submitted to and passed a lie detector test on the ION Television program Lie Detector.

Douglas Goodman, 2004

Douglas Goodman, an evangelical preacher, and his wife Erica were pastors of Victory Christian Centre in London, England. The church was one of the largest in the United Kingdom. He came into notoriety when he was jailed for three and a half years for the sexual assault of four members of his congregation in 2004. VCC was closed by the Charity Commission, but his wife Erica started a new church, Victory to Victory, in Wembley. Douglas has upon his release resumed full pastoral ministry alongside his wife.

Kent Hovind, 2006

Kent Hovind is an American Baptist minister and Young Earth creationist. He is most famous for creation science seminars, in which he argues for Young Earth creationism, using his self-formulated "Hovind Theory." He has been criticized by both the mainstream scientific community and other creationists. In 2006, Hovind who also has a reputation as a tax protestor had been charged with falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges. He was convicted of 58 federal tax offenses and related charges, for which he is currently serving a ten-year sentence.

Ted Haggard, 2006

Ted Haggard was the pastor of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado and was the president of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) from 2003 until November 2006. Haggard's position allowed him occasional access to President George W. Bush. In 2006 it was alleged that Haggard had been regularly visiting a male love-peddler who also provided him with methamphetamine. Haggard admitted his wrongdoing and resigned as pastor of New Life church and as president of the NAE. The high-profile case was significant also because it immediately preceded the 2006 mid-term elections and may have even affected national voting patterns[citation needed]. In January 2009, Haggard admitted to a second homosexual relationship with a male church member on CNN-TV and other national media, and when asked, would not directly answer a question about his other possible homosexual relationships.

Paul Barnes, 2006

Paul Barnes is the founder and former senior minister of the evangelical church Grace Chapel in Douglas County, Colorado. He confessed his homosexual activity to the church board, and his resignation was accepted on December 7, 2006. He started the church in his basement and watched it reach a membership of 2,100 in his 28 years of leadership. This scandal was notable because it was similar to Ted Haggard's (above), it occurred in the same state (Colorado) and around the same time (late 2006).

Lonnie Latham, 2006

In 2006, Latham, the senior pastor of South Tulsa Baptist Church and a member of the powerful Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee, was arrested for "offering to engage in an act of lewdness" with a male undercover police officer.

Gilbert Deya, 2006

Kenyan-born Deya moved to the United Kingdom in the 1990s and started a number of churches. He claims to have supernatural powers that allow him to make infertile women become pregnant and give birth. However, police investigations in the UK and Kenya concluded that Deya and his wife were stealing Kenyan babies. Deya was arrested in London during December 2006 and as of April 2010 he is currently fighting extradition to Kenya.[21]

Richard Roberts, 2007

In October 2007, televangelist Richard Roberts (son of the late televangelist Oral Roberts), was president of Oral Roberts University until his forced resignation on November 23, 2007. Roberts was named as a defendant in a lawsuit alleging improper use of university funds for political and personal purposes and improper use of university resources.[22]

Earl Paulk, 2007

Earl Paulk (no relation to John Paulk) was the founder and head pastor of Chapel Hill Harvester Church in Decatur, Georgia from 1960 until the 1990s. A number of women from the congregation came forward during the 1990s claiming that Paulk had sexual relations with them. Some of these claims have subsequently been proven correct. Moreover, Donnie Earl Paulk, the current senior pastor of the church and nephew of Earl Paulk, had a court-ordered DNA test in 2007 which showed that he was Earl's son, not his nephew, which means that Earl and his sister-in-law had had a sexual relationship which led to Donnie's birth.

Coy Privette, 2007

Privette is a Baptist pastor, conservative activist, and politician in the U.S. state of North Carolina. Privette was president of the Christian Action League and a prominent figure in North Carolina moral battles. In 2007, Privette resigned as president of North Carolina's Christian Action League and from the Board of Directors of the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina, following revelations on July 19 that he had been charged with six counts of aiding and abetting prostitution.[24]

Thomas Wesley Weeks, III, 2007

Weeks married fellow evangelist Juanita Bynum in 2002, but they separated in May 2007. In August 2007, Weeks physically assaulted Bynum in a hotel parking lot and was convicted of the crime in March 2008. The couple divorced in June 2008 and Weeks remarried in October 2009.

Michael Reid, 2008

Bishop Michael Reid (born 1944) is a Christian evangelist in Essex, England and founder of Michael Reid Ministries who resigned from the role of pastor at Peniel Church in April 2008, after admitting to an eight-year extra-marital sexual relationship. The scandal was widely reported online and in UK newspapers.He has since re-developed an itinerant evangelistic ministry and has been speaking at a number of churches in the UK and overseas.

Joe Barron, 2008

Joe Barron, one of the 40 ministers at Prestonwood Baptist Church, one of the largest churches in the United States with 26,000 members, was arrested on May 15, 2008 for solicitation of a minor after driving from the Dallas area to Bryan, Texas, in order to allegedly engage in sexual relations with what he thought to be a 13 year-old girl he had met online. The "girl" turned out to be an undercover law enforcement official.

Todd Bentley, 2008

Canadian Todd Bentley rose to prominence as the evangelist at the Lakeland Revival in Florida, which began in April 2008. Bentley claimed that tens of thousands of people were healed at the revival, but a June 2008 investigation by ABC Nightline could not find a single confirmed case. Bentley took a short break after the program was broadcast, but returned to leading the meetings. However, in August 2008, he stepped down permanently when it was revealed he was separating from his wife, Shonnah, and was in a relationship with Jessa Hasbrook, a member of his staff.

Tony Alamo, 2008

On September 20, 2008, FBI agents raided Tony Alamo Christian Ministries headquarters as part of a child indecency investigation. This investigation involved allegations of physical abuse, sexual abuse and allegations of polygamy and underage marriage. According to Terry Purvis, mayor of Fouke, Arkansas, his office has received complaints from former ministry members about allegations of child abuse, sexual abuse and polygamy since the ministry established itself in the area, and in turn, Purvis turned over information about the allegations to the FBI. Investigators at the scene plan to conduct a search of ministry headquarters and the home of Alamo and interview children present on the compound. In late July 2009, Alamo (who had a previous conviction for tax evasion in the 1990s) was convicted on ten counts of transporting minors across state lines for sexual purposes, sexual assault and other crimes. On November 13, 2009, he was sentenced to the maximum punishment of 175 years in prison.

George Alan Rekers, 2010

Penn Bullock and Brandon K. Thorp of the Miami New Times reported on May 4, 2010, that on April 13, 2010, George Alan Rekers, a far-right Christian leader was encountered and photographed at Miami International Airport returning from an extended overseas trip with a twenty-year-old "rent boy", or gay male love-peddler, known as "Lucien" (later identified as Jo-Vanni Roman). Given his opinion on homosexuals and homosexual behavior, the scandal surrounds Rekers' decision to employ a homosexual escort as a traveling companion, and how that runs contrary to Rekers' public stances on such issues.

Rekers claimed that Lucien was there to help carry Rekers' luggage as Rekers had allegedly had recent surgery, yet Rekers was seen carrying his own luggage when he and Lucien were spotted at the airport.[40] On his blog, Rekers denied having sex with the man.[41] In subsequent interviews, Roman said Rekers had paid him to provide unclothed massages daily, which included focal place touching.

Eddie L. Long, 2010

In September 2010 several civil complaints were filed against Eddie L. Long by men that stated Mr. Long used his position as the church leader to entice or coerce the men into consensual sexual relationships in exchange for money, travel and goods. At a press event on September 26, 2010 Mr. Long stated he would fight the civil complaints in court and would not comment on the allegations.

Robert Schuller, Crystal Cathedral Bankruptcy, 2010

In 2010 debtors began filing claims in court to receive payment due on accounts. The debtors provided goods, services and TV air time to the Crystal Cathedral. The total debt of the church is approximately $55 million. The church filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on October 18, 2010

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Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Rhino3dm: 5:30pm On Oct 25, 2010
^^^This one na spritual conji. Yeah the holy spirit at his best. . . . .
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Nobody: 11:37am On Oct 26, 2010
On this matter i don't think we need to talk too much or waste space on this thread. Most atheists claims to be intelligent and also that they think and act rationally unlike most theists. A simple question comes to mind when one thinks about the claims of the atheist which is this, can the fraudulent act of Mr Timonen as alleged by his co atheist Professor Dawkins be said to be morally right and rational?
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Enigma(m): 11:44am On Oct 26, 2010
@Toba

Upon all the claims of atheists being intelligent, did you notice the extremely poor comprehension of the two atheists that jumped in when they failed to understand what was 'staggeringly' simple and patently obvious from the opening post? So much for the much-vaunted 'intelligence' of our atheists here!

cool
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Nobody: 12:09pm On Oct 26, 2010
My bro, i have eyes and can see. The op was clear including posting the source for verification. Instead of pple to 'intelligently' deal with the issue at hand, they failed and started chasing shadows and pursuing irrelevances. Why? because an atheist is alleged to have done a very very shameful thing.

Too bad grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin


BTW where is mr intellectual discussant, that claims to know all yet ask too many questions in a single post? We need to hear what the oliver twist and ITK have to say about the act of his fellow atheist
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Mudley313: 12:16pm On Oct 26, 2010
what has fraudulent activities got to do with being atheist, muslim or christian. i just tried to point out the hypocrisy of your post with a long list of examples of the holy spirit filled men of gawd engaged in even worse. you guys are taking this internet war of beliefs and non-beliefs to mentally deranged levels. joblessness is a disease
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Ascony(m): 12:19pm On Oct 26, 2010
can the fraudulent act of  Mr Timonen as alleged by his co atheist Professor Dawkins be said to be morally right and rational?

you ask a question which u already know the answer. thats why Dawkins went to court because its not right to take what does not belong to you. if found guilty with evidence Mr Timonen will pay the price.
Its not morally right to take what does not belong to you, it is wrong because u will face consequences when the law proves u guilty.
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Nobody: 12:59pm On Oct 26, 2010
Ascony:

you ask a question which u already know the answer. thats why Dawkins went to court because its not right to take what does not belong to you. if found guilty with evidence Mr Timonen will pay the price.
Its not morally right to take what does not belong to you, it is wrong because u will face consequences when the law proves u guilty.


Beautiful thats what i was expecting and u ve given it.
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by mazaje(m): 2:18pm On Oct 26, 2010
What EXACTLY is the point of this thread? When or where has any atheist ever claimed that atheist are more moral or have better moral values than theist? Morality has NOTHING to do with religion or lack of religion. I know many theist that claim they have better moral values than atheist even thought the claims remains a  LIE. . . .Here is one Christian parent following the teachings of the bible. . . .

[size=18pt]13-year-old girl beaten to death for not saying prayers[/size]

[img]http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/?src=http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2010/10/11/Noutene_Sidime.jpg&size=256x600&quality=85[/img]

Dad in custody after daughter, 13, dies

Girl refused to say prayers with father: neighbours

By QMI Agency

MONTREAL — A 13-year-old girl whose beating death led to the arrest of her 71-year-old father had enraged him by refusing to say her prayers, according to neighbours.

Noutene Sidime died Saturday evening in suburban Longueuil, Que., three days after she was rushed to hospital with breathing difficulties, her face covered in blood.
Her father, Moussa Sidime, had called 911 last Wednesday. Sidime was arrested and charged with aggravated assault, but the charges could be upgraded, police said.
Neighbours said Noutene Sidime was a polite girl who was often unable to please her elderly father.
Others who live in the apartment building south of Montreal said the girl sometimes neglected to say daily prayers, which infuriated her father.
“(He) was mean,” said Karine Girard, who lives on the street. “I’ve seen him grab her by the arm because she wouldn’t go up to say her prayers.”
Relatives told QMI Agency they believe the girl’s death was an accident.

http://www.monicks.net/2010/10/12/13-year-old-girl-beaten-to-death-for-not-saying-prayers/




Well, the bible does say "Spare the rod, spoil the child!"

It also says to kill disobedient children.

So this father was being a good Christian. . . . .
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Nobody: 5:09pm On Oct 26, 2010
In the first instance, u started the longy longy thingy, i didnt.
Mudley313:

i don't have time to go through all that gibberish you just typed up there, but i'll still endeavor to expose the fraud that you are
The usual atheist opt out tactics. Ur fellow pathetic atheist Mr Timonen [/b]was alleged to have been fraudulent, instaed of u to address that , u are here chatting trash


Mudley313:

so, how come a PHD holder types like a high school drop out? 
Well i wouldn't know why ooooo.Thats a rhetoric, oya direct the question to ur self. I had expected u to show me inconsistency in my post where  i mentioned [b]port harcourt instead of Calaba[/b]r that i have always sticked with. U are unable to do that. Too bad it shows u just lied as usual.

Mudley313:

you need to quit while it's not too late; i thought lying was supposed to be a sin. it's clear you have serious self esteem issues
Lying about waht exactly? I [b]challenge
u to go review my previous post and show me any inconsistency. Remember i told u a story of someone i met in my office who was also a member of NL, while advising u to always do things calmly and like a normal human being and not like a mentally deranged fellow like u are doing now. can u remember? If u cant i would post the link to the thread and my post on it for u. Its yommyuk's thread. I hardly forget things my guy

Mudley313:

i'm a united states citizen, and travel to far more developed countries without the need for a visa unlike your poverty stricken behind
insulting  in an attempt to make a point adds nothing to u my guy, it only proves that u may be lying or u are agitated/fraustrated. Pls wise up and do things and reason like an adult

Mudley313:

lol @ ecowas passport, like that's going to earn you more e-respect from your online boyfriends. oya, tell us, what visas are on that your imaginary ecowas passport? what countries (and i don't mean cotonou) have you visited and returned back to your base in your imaginary world?
But u said u don't take online things serious. Are u for real? Is there any need for this ur rubbish request?


Mudley313:

ofcourse you have my time. you're jobless
Subject to verification. I will like to entertain u one when u come visiting in Nigeria, for u to assess my claims


Now lets go back to the topic like civilized pple.

Whats your opinion about the action(s) of the atheist?
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Nobody: 5:13pm On Oct 26, 2010
@mudley, u are in pepper soul. My post have be eaten up, thanks to you.
U see pple have been following this thread. I told u to always be calm but u wouldn't listen. See what u have caused now
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Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Mudley313: 5:30pm On Oct 26, 2010
toba:

@mudley, u are in pepper soul. My post have be eaten up, thanks to you.
U see  pple have been following this thread. I told u to always be calm but u wouldn't listen. See what u have caused now
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see grammar of self-acclaimed PHD holder




i see you dodged my question of the imaginary countries you visited with your imaginary so-called ecowas passport. and while you're at it, what discipline did you major in? the way you murder the english language you must have been talking of your learnings at akara school

anyways, let's go back to the topic (like "civilizes" people, according to you). my opinion about the actions of the atheist is that it's wrong and it wont be any different if he was muslim, catholic or jew. happy now?
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by JeSoul(f): 5:49pm On Oct 26, 2010
I think the atheists in here are taking the topic way too seriously instead of the cheerful chiding and play on words I believe Enigma intended. Sometimes you fellas need to stop and take a deep breath and learn to laugh at a topic - even if it is[b] with[/b] a christian.
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Nobody: 5:56pm On Oct 26, 2010
Mudley313:


anyways, let's go back to the topic (like "civilizes" people, according to you).


On ur keyboard which letter lies beside letter 'd' to the left? I was really angry and in haste to respond to u, which caused the bolded word to appear in that form. don't expect me to type as if i'm doing anything official or formal. Expect less formal typings from 'faceless forums'. U don't take things like this serious, so why should i?


Mudley313:

my opinion about the actions of the atheist is that it's wrong
Beautiful. 3 gbosas for u. so u can be truthful?

Mudley313:

happy now?

Yes. U might become my friend if u can continue this way
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Nobody: 6:04pm On Oct 26, 2010
JeSoul:

I think the atheists in here are taking the topic way too seriously instead of the cheerful chiding and play on words I believe Enigma intended. Sometimes you fellas need to stop and take a deep breath and learn to laugh at a topic - even if it is[b] with[/b] a christian.
Mudley still exhibit the youthfulness . He would grow up one day soon i hope, cos most of the things he posted here are irrelevant and irrational. A spade will always be a spade even if anyone refuses to call it one. This irrational/fraudulent act is coming from an atheist, instead of him to condemn it at first he decided to go the way of attacking and then came back to reason well by posting this

Mudley313 on Today at 05:30:53 PM:

my opinion about the actions of the atheist is that it's wrong
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Mudley313: 6:55pm On Oct 26, 2010
JeSoul:

I think fanatical christians in here take topics way too seriously instead of the cheerful chiding and play on words I believe Enigma intended. Sometimes my fellow e-christians need to stop and take a deep breath and learn to laugh at a topic - even if it is[b] with[/b] a non-christian.

^^^corrected

@ toba. even though you're still taking your usual meaningless/christianly personal jabs at me because i exposed and got your feelings hurt, i will ignore you for now. you're lucky your fellow christian jesoul came to rescue you from the imminent exposure of your fraudulent claims of an imaginary offline identity. i know you probably would have commited suicide if you got banned since nairaland is your life, but lets just leave it at that for now
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Nobody: 8:02pm On Oct 26, 2010
Since u have exhibited truancy in ur post, i'll also give u this in return
Mudley313:


@ toba. even though you're still taking your usual meaningless/christianly personal jabs at me because i exposed and got your feelings hurt,
Nonsense. What feelings did u hurt? mine or yours? U alleged port harcourt was mentioned in my post. Then come out to substantiate ur allegations no u couldn't. Can someone like u be taking serious? U made a statement, come and defend it, if u are not a coward.

Mudley313:

i will ignore you for now. you're lucky your fellow christian jesoul came to rescue you from the imminent exposure of your fraudulent claims of an imaginary offline identity.
Don't just leave like. U have once again said some nasty things that needs to be responded to. Jesoul knew nothing about ur unreasonable posts that were deleted, I can say that to u. U have stepped on many toes with ur outrageous behavior online and the result was what u got and a signal that u would be banned for the 2nd time sooner than u expect.

I say i t clearly that i dare u 100 times to counter any of the claims i have made or will make. I'm confident go ahead, i will respond to u word to word. Just try it.

Mudley313:

i know you probably would have commited suicide if you got banned since nairaland is your life, but lets just leave it at that for now
Remember when u got banned, u immediately started a new topic with a new user name [b]mudley312 [/b]pleading&begging to be pardoned no? So who between us doesn't have a life outside NL. I decided to soften the pedal with u cos its unreasonable to fight online, but u are messing up again.
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by aletheia(m): 8:48pm On Oct 26, 2010
@mazaje:
Your post is filled with irrelevancies and drivel.

mazaje:

What EXACTLY is the point of this thread? When or where has any atheist ever claimed that atheist are more moral or have better moral values than theist?
Almost every day.

mazaje:

Morality has NOTHING to do with religion or lack of religion. I know many theist that claim they have better moral values than atheist even thought the claims remains a  LIE. . .

Au contraire: atheism has nothing to do with morals---nothing is right or wrong only what is expedient. At least Religion decrees certain actions are right and others wrong. Even if it doesn't often live up to them: there is a Standard by which moral success or moral failure is judged.
It is absurd for Dawkins to sue his friend; afterall Timonen was only exhibiting "survival of the fittest". grin If Dawkins cannot compete with Timonen according to the mores of his evolutionary religion, he shouldn't seek a cop out from God's moral code which declares: "Thou shall not steal!"

mazaje:

. . .Here is one Christian parent following the teachings of the bible. . .
What are you nattering about? How is this related to Timonen and Dawkins? And you misrepresent facts: no where does the news article say the parent is a Christian. Stop confabulating!
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Mudley313: 9:05pm On Oct 26, 2010
toba:

Don't just leave like. U have once again said some nasty things that needs to be responded to.
I say i t clearly that i dare u 100 times to counter any of the claims i have made or will make. I'm confident go ahead, i will respond to u word to word.

it's word for word not word to word. dunce

i see you obviously want us to derail the thread cos this forum is your life and you want to fight for your e-reputation so your online boyfriends don't see you for who you really are. kpele

Mudley313:

i see you dodged my question of the imaginary countries you visited with your imaginary so-called ecowas passport. and while you're at it, what discipline did you major in? the way you murder the english language you must have been talking of your learnings at akara school

after dodging my questions above you want to come and knack teeth now, and ofcourse you don't take this online thing seriously

Just try it. Remember when u got banned, u immediately started a new topic with a new user name mudley312 pleading&begging to be pardoned no? So who between us doesn't have a life outside NL.

says the guy with over 4,000 posts 

toba
Posts: 4557
shocked  shocked  shocked

toba:

I was really angry and in haste to respond to u,

smh @ you getting your feelings hurt over mere words on a screen on an anonymous online forum. the truth hurts huh?
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by jesus3: 9:11pm On Oct 26, 2010
Is this thread needless yes or no? No its not needless. It helps to show us that the theist,deist, atheist are not saint or holier than thou' . Next time whilst bashing the theist for foul play, we would remember the ungodly disciple of Dawkins.
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Enigma(m): 9:50pm On Oct 26, 2010
aletheia:
. . .
It is absurd for Dawkins to sue his friend; afterall Timonen was only exhibiting "survival of the fittest". grin If Dawkins cannot compete with Timonen according to the mores of his evolutionary religion, he shouldn't seek a cop out from God's moral code which declares: "Thou shall not steal!"

Ah ha, Interesting!  grin Compare what he is quoted to have said well before this incident (if I understand correctly)- from here http://www.examiner.com/christian-apologetics-in-albuquerque/atheist-vs-atheist-richard-dawkins-sues-josh-timonen (I'm afraid the site has pop-up ads)

If somebody used my views to justify a completely self - centred lifestyle, which involved trampling all over other people in any way they chose roughly what, I suppose, at a sociological level social Darwinists did - I think I would be fairly hard put to it to argue on purely intellectual grounds.

I think it would be more: “This is not a society in which I wish to live. Without having a rational reason for it necessarily, I'm going to do whatever I can to stop you doing this.” I couldn't, ultimately, argue intellectually against somebody who did something I found obnoxious. I think I could finally only say, “Well, in this society you can't get away with it” and call the police. I realise this is very weak, and I've said I don't feel equipped to produce moral arguments in the way I feel equipped to produce arguments of a cosmological and biological kind. But I still think it's a separate issue from beliefs in cosmic truths.


PS @ toba

Maybe it is best to just ignore these fellows and leave them to their ways once they get beyond reasonable or 'rational'  wink debate.  smiley
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Nobody: 10:10pm On Oct 26, 2010
Enigma:


PS @ toba

Maybe it is best to just ignore these fellows and leave them to their ways once they get beyond reasonable or 'rational'  wink debate.  smiley

@Enigma feel u jare. Thats exactly what this kid mudley313 have thus far on this thread who in a matter of seconds  modified his earlier  post&still claim not to take anything serious



Mudley313:

i see you obviously want us to derail the thread cos this forum is your life and you want to fight for your e-reputation so your online boyfriends don't see you for who you really are. kpele
I cant help but laugh at this statement. U have done irrational things on this thread, thats capable of derailing it. Lets see your first post on this thread

Mudley313« #3 on: October 25, 2010, 02:17 PM »]
[/quote]
is laughing at the downfall of others (because they don't believe in what you believe) and using insultive words on people who disagree with you now one of the tenets of christianity? see what religious extremism can do to one; actually become totally hypocritical to the teachings you're trying to defend. most of you guys are lucky your gods fiery torture chamber aka hellfire does not exist like his azz, if not, most of you would have been doomed to spend eternity there as well


the trash u posted above, wasn't it meant to derail the thread?


Lets see your 2nd post

Mudley313« #7 on: October 25, 2010, 05:10 PM »:

And below is a long list of godly acts by godly souls for you hypocritical souls to salivate over; whatever the lame intentions this thread is trying to convey

Aimee Semple McPherson, 1920s–40s

One of the most famous evangelist scandals involved Canadian-born Aimee Semple McPherson in the 1920s, who allegedly had an extramarital relationship and faked her own death as a cover. She later claimed that she had been kidnapped, but a grand jury could neither prove that a kidnapping occurred, nor that she had faked it. Roberta Semple Salter, her daughter from her first marriage, became estranged from Semple McPherson and successfully sued her mother's attorney for slander during the 1930s. As a result of this she was cut out of her mother's will. Aimee Semple McPherson died in 1944 from an accidental overdose of barbiturates.

Lonnie Frisbee, 1970s–1980s

Lonnie Frisbee was an American closeted gay Pentecostal evangelist and self-described "seeing prophet" in the late 1960s and 1970s who despite his "hippie" appearance had notable success as a minister and evangelist. Frisbee was a key figure in the Jesus Movement and was involved in the rise of two worldwide denominations (Calvary Chapel and the Vineyard Movement). Both churches later disowned him because of his active homosexuality, removing him first from leadership positions, then ultimately firing him. He eventually died from AIDS in 1993.

Billy James Hargis, early 1970s

Hargis was a prolific author and radio evangelist. Hargis formed American Christian College in 1971 in order to teach fundamentalist Christian principles. However, a sex scandal erupted at the College, involving claims that Hargis had had sex with male and female students. Hargis was forced out of American Christian College's presidency as a result. Further scandals erupted when members of Hargis' youth choir, the "All American Kids", accused Hargis of sexual misconduct as well. The college eventually closed down in the mid-1970s. Hargis denied the allegations publicly.

Marjoe Gortner, early 1970s

Gortner rose to fame in the late 1940s as a child preacher, but he had simply been trained to do this by his parents and he had no personal faith. He was able to perform "miracles" and received large amounts of money in donations. After suffering a crisis of conscience, he invited a film crew to accompany him on a final preaching tour. The resulting film, Marjoe, mixes footage of revival meetings with Gortner's explanations of how evangelists manipulate their audiences. It won the 1972 Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature, but was never screened in the Southern United States due to fears that it would cause outrage in the Bible Belt.

Jim & Tammy Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart, 1986 and 1991

In 1986, evangelist Jimmy Swaggart began on-screen attacks against fellow televangelists Marvin Gorman and Jim Bakker. He uncovered Gorman's affair with a member of Gorman's congregation, and also helped expose Bakker's infidelity (which was arranged by a colleague while on an out-of-state trip).These exposures received widespread media coverage. Gorman retaliated in kind by hiring a private investigator to uncover Swaggart's own adulterous indiscretions with a love-peddler. Swaggart was subsequently forced to step down from his pulpit for a year and made a tearful televised apology in February 1988 to his congregation, saying "I have sinned against you, my Lord, and I would ask that your precious blood would wash and cleanse every stain until it is in the seas of God's forgiveness."

Swaggart was caught again by California police three years later in 1991 with another love-peddler, Rosemary Garcia, who was riding with him in his car when he was stopped for driving on the wrong side of the road. When asked why she was with Swaggart, she replied, "He asked me for sex. I mean, that's why he stopped me. That's what I do. I'm a love-peddler."

Peter Popoff, 1987

A self-proclaimed prophet and faith healer in the 1980s, Popoff's ministry went bankrupt in 1987 after magician and skeptic James Randi and Steve Shaw debunked his methods by showing that instead of receiving information about audience members from supernatural sources, he received it through an in-ear receiver.

Morris Cerullo, 1990s

A number of incidents involving California-based televangelist Morris Cerullo caused outrage in the United Kingdom during the 1990s. Cerullo's claims of faith healing were the focus of particular concern. At a London crusade in 1992, he pronounced a child cancer sufferer to be healed, yet the girl died two months later. Multiple complaints were upheld against satellite television channels transmitting Cerullo's claims of faith-healing, and a panel of doctors concluded that Cerullo's claims of miraculous healing powers could not be substantiated. Cerullo also produced fund-raising material, which was condemned as unethical by a number of religious leaders, as it implied that giving money to his organisation would result in family members becoming Christians.[9]

Mike Warnke, 1991

Warnke was a popular Christian evangelist and comedian during the 1970s and 1980s. He claimed in his autobiography, The Satan Seller (1973), that he had once been deeply involved in a Satanic cult and was a Satanic priest before converting to Christianity. In 1991, Cornerstone magazine launched an investigation into Warnke's life and testimony. It investigated Warnke's life, from interviews with over one hundred personal friends and acquaintances, to his ministry's tax receipts. Its investigation turned up damaging evidence of fraud and deceit. The investigation also revealed the unflattering circumstances surrounding Warnke's multiple marriages, affairs, and divorces. Most critically, however, the investigation showed how Warnke could not possibly have done the many things he claimed to have done throughout his nine-month tenure as a Satanist, much less become a drug-addicted dealer or become a Satanic high priest.

Robert Tilton, 1991

Tilton is an American televangelist who achieved notoriety in the 1980s and early 1990s through his paid television program Success-N-Life. At its peak, it aired in all 235 American TV markets. In 1991, Diane Sawyer and ABC News conducted an investigation of Tilton. The investigation, broadcast on ABC's Primetime Live on November 21, 1991, found that Tilton's ministry threw away prayer requests without reading them, keeping only the money or valuables sent to them by viewers, garnering his ministry an estimated $80 million USD a year. In the original investigation, one of Tilton's former prayer hotline operators claimed that the ministry cared little for desperate followers who called for prayer, saying that Tilton had a computer installed in July 1989 to make sure that the phone operators were off the line in seven minutes. Tilton sued ABC for libel in 1992, but the case was dismissed in 1993, and Tilton's show was off the air by October 30, 1993.

W. V. Grant, 1996 and 2003

Like Peter Popoff, Grant was investigated by James Randi regarding his faith healing claims. He was then imprisoned for tax evasion in 1996. After restarting his ministry upon release, a TV investigation found that claims of healing he made at a 2003 revival in Atlanta were false.

Bob Moorehead, 1998

Moorehead, pastor of the Overlake Christian Church from the 1970s to June, 1998 was arrested in July, 1996 on a charge of indecent exposure in a public restroom in Daytona Beach, Florida. He stepped down amid allegations of molestation of adult members during baptism and wedding ceremonies that went back up to 20 years earlier.

Roy Clements, 1999

Clements was a prominent figure within British evangelical christianity. In 1999, he revealed he was in a homosexual relationship with another man, resigned his pastorship, and separated from his wife. He had written a number of well-received books which were withdrawn from sale when the news broke.

John Paulk, 2000

John Paulk (no relation to Earl Paulk) is a former leader of Focus on the Family's Love Won Out conference and former chairman of the board for Exodus International North America. His claimed shedding of homosexuality is also the subject of his autobiography Not Afraid to Change. In September 2000, Paulk was found and photographed in a Washington, D.C. gay bar, and accused by opponents of flirting with male patrons at the bar. Later questioned by gay rights activist Wayne Besen, Paulk denied being in the bar despite photographic proof to the contrary. Initially, FoF's Dr. James Dobson sided with Paulk and supported his claims. Subsequently, Paulk, who himself had written about his habit of lying while he openly lived as a homosexual, confessed to being in the bar, but claimed he entered the establishment for reasons other than sexual pursuits. Paulk retained his Board seat for Exodus, however he did so while on probation. Paulk did not run again for chairman of the board of Exodus when his term expired.

Paul Crouch, 2004

Paul Crouch is the founder and president of the Trinity Broadcasting Network, or TBN, the world's largest evangelical Christian television network, as well as the former host of TBN's flagship variety show, Praise the Lord. In September 2004, the Los Angeles Times published a series of articles raising questions about the fundraising practices and financial transparency of TBN, as well as the allegations of a former ministry employee, Enoch Lonnie Ford, that he had a homosexual affair with Crouch during the 1990s. The Times spoke with several sources that claimed that other evangelists such as Benny Hinn, Jack Hayford, and Paul's son Matthew were aware that an affair had taken place. TBN denied the allegations, claiming that Ford's claims were part of an extortion scheme and that the Times was a "left-wing and anti-Christian newspaper" for publishing the articles. In 2005, Ford submitted to and passed a lie detector test on the ION Television program Lie Detector.

Douglas Goodman, 2004

Douglas Goodman, an evangelical preacher, and his wife Erica were pastors of Victory Christian Centre in London, England. The church was one of the largest in the United Kingdom. He came into notoriety when he was jailed for three and a half years for the sexual assault of four members of his congregation in 2004. VCC was closed by the Charity Commission, but his wife Erica started a new church, Victory to Victory, in Wembley. Douglas has upon his release resumed full pastoral ministry alongside his wife.

Kent Hovind, 2006

Kent Hovind is an American Baptist minister and Young Earth creationist. He is most famous for creation science seminars, in which he argues for Young Earth creationism, using his self-formulated "Hovind Theory." He has been criticized by both the mainstream scientific community and other creationists. In 2006, Hovind who also has a reputation as a tax protestor had been charged with falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges. He was convicted of 58 federal tax offenses and related charges, for which he is currently serving a ten-year sentence.

Ted Haggard, 2006

Ted Haggard was the pastor of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado and was the president of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) from 2003 until November 2006. Haggard's position allowed him occasional access to President George W. Bush. In 2006 it was alleged that Haggard had been regularly visiting a male love-peddler who also provided him with methamphetamine. Haggard admitted his wrongdoing and resigned as pastor of New Life church and as president of the NAE. The high-profile case was significant also because it immediately preceded the 2006 mid-term elections and may have even affected national voting patterns[citation needed]. In January 2009, Haggard admitted to a second homosexual relationship with a male church member on CNN-TV and other national media, and when asked, would not directly answer a question about his other possible homosexual relationships.

Paul Barnes, 2006

Paul Barnes is the founder and former senior minister of the evangelical church Grace Chapel in Douglas County, Colorado. He confessed his homosexual activity to the church board, and his resignation was accepted on December 7, 2006. He started the church in his basement and watched it reach a membership of 2,100 in his 28 years of leadership. This scandal was notable because it was similar to Ted Haggard's (above), it occurred in the same state (Colorado) and around the same time (late 2006).

Lonnie Latham, 2006

In 2006, Latham, the senior pastor of South Tulsa Baptist Church and a member of the powerful Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee, was arrested for "offering to engage in an act of lewdness" with a male undercover police officer.

Gilbert Deya, 2006

Kenyan-born Deya moved to the United Kingdom in the 1990s and started a number of churches. He claims to have supernatural powers that allow him to make infertile women become pregnant and give birth. However, police investigations in the UK and Kenya concluded that Deya and his wife were stealing Kenyan babies. Deya was arrested in London during December 2006 and as of April 2010 he is currently fighting extradition to Kenya.[21]

Richard Roberts, 2007

In October 2007, televangelist Richard Roberts (son of the late televangelist Oral Roberts), was president of Oral Roberts University until his forced resignation on November 23, 2007. Roberts was named as a defendant in a lawsuit alleging improper use of university funds for political and personal purposes and improper use of university resources.[22]

Earl Paulk, 2007

Earl Paulk (no relation to John Paulk) was the founder and head pastor of Chapel Hill Harvester Church in Decatur, Georgia from 1960 until the 1990s. A number of women from the congregation came forward during the 1990s claiming that Paulk had sexual relations with them. Some of these claims have subsequently been proven correct. Moreover, Donnie Earl Paulk, the current senior pastor of the church and nephew of Earl Paulk, had a court-ordered DNA test in 2007 which showed that he was Earl's son, not his nephew, which means that Earl and his sister-in-law had had a sexual relationship which led to Donnie's birth.

Coy Privette, 2007

Privette is a Baptist pastor, conservative activist, and politician in the U.S. state of North Carolina. Privette was president of the Christian Action League and a prominent figure in North Carolina moral battles. In 2007, Privette resigned as president of North Carolina's Christian Action League and from the Board of Directors of the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina, following revelations on July 19 that he had been charged with six counts of aiding and abetting prostitution.[24]

Thomas Wesley Weeks, III, 2007

Weeks married fellow evangelist Juanita Bynum in 2002, but they separated in May 2007. In August 2007, Weeks physically assaulted Bynum in a hotel parking lot and was convicted of the crime in March 2008. The couple divorced in June 2008 and Weeks remarried in October 2009.

Michael Reid, 2008

Bishop Michael Reid (born 1944) is a Christian evangelist in Essex, England and founder of Michael Reid Ministries who resigned from the role of pastor at Peniel Church in April 2008, after admitting to an eight-year extra-marital sexual relationship. The scandal was widely reported online and in UK newspapers.He has since re-developed an itinerant evangelistic ministry and has been speaking at a number of churches in the UK and overseas.

Joe Barron, 2008

Joe Barron, one of the 40 ministers at Prestonwood Baptist Church, one of the largest churches in the United States with 26,000 members, was arrested on May 15, 2008 for solicitation of a minor after driving from the Dallas area to Bryan, Texas, in order to allegedly engage in sexual relations with what he thought to be a 13 year-old girl he had met online. The "girl" turned out to be an undercover law enforcement official.

Todd Bentley, 2008

Canadian Todd Bentley rose to prominence as the evangelist at the Lakeland Revival in Florida, which began in April 2008. Bentley claimed that tens of thousands of people were healed at the revival, but a June 2008 investigation by ABC Nightline could not find a single confirmed case. Bentley took a short break after the program was broadcast, but returned to leading the meetings. However, in August 2008, he stepped down permanently when it was revealed he was separating from his wife, Shonnah, and was in a relationship with Jessa Hasbrook, a member of his staff.

Tony Alamo, 2008

On September 20, 2008, FBI agents raided Tony Alamo Christian Ministries headquarters as part of a child indecency investigation. This investigation involved allegations of physical abuse, sexual abuse and allegations of polygamy and underage marriage. According to Terry Purvis, mayor of Fouke, Arkansas, his office has received complaints from former ministry members about allegations of child abuse, sexual abuse and polygamy since the ministry established itself in the area, and in turn, Purvis turned over information about the allegations to the FBI. Investigators at the scene plan to conduct a search of ministry headquarters and the home of Alamo and interview children present on the compound. In late July 2009, Alamo (who had a previous conviction for tax evasion in the 1990s) was convicted on ten counts of transporting minors across state lines for sexual purposes, sexual assault and other crimes. On November 13, 2009, he was sentenced to the maximum punishment of 175 years in prison.

George Alan Rekers, 2010

Penn Bullock and Brandon K. Thorp of the Miami New Times reported on May 4, 2010, that on April 13, 2010, George Alan Rekers, a far-right Christian leader was encountered and photographed at Miami International Airport returning from an extended overseas trip with a twenty-year-old "rent boy", or gay male love-peddler, known as "Lucien" (later identified as Jo-Vanni Roman). Given his opinion on homosexuals and homosexual behavior, the scandal surrounds Rekers' decision to employ a homosexual escort as a traveling companion, and how that runs contrary to Rekers' public stances on such issues.

Rekers claimed that Lucien was there to help carry Rekers' luggage as Rekers had allegedly had recent surgery, yet Rekers was seen carrying his own luggage when he and Lucien were spotted at the airport.[40] On his blog, Rekers denied having sex with the man.[41] In subsequent interviews, Roman said Rekers had paid him to provide unclothed massages daily, which included focal place touching.

Eddie L. Long, 2010

In September 2010 several civil complaints were filed against Eddie L. Long by men that stated Mr. Long used his position as the church leader to entice or coerce the men into consensual sexual relationships in exchange for money, travel and goods. At a press event on September 26, 2010 Mr. Long stated he would fight the civil complaints in court and would not comment on the allegations.

Robert Schuller, Crystal Cathedral Bankruptcy, 2010

In 2010 debtors began filing claims in court to receive payment due on accounts. The debtors provided goods, services and TV air time to the Crystal Cathedral. The total debt of the church is approximately $55 million. The church filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on October 18, 2010


The tales u also posted above isn't capable of derailing the thread?

[quote author=Mudley313:


after dodging my questions above you want to come and knack teeth now, and ofcourse you don't take this online thing seriously
What exactly are u blabbing about?

Mudley313:

says the guy with over 4,000 posts 

toba
Posts: 4557
shocked  shocked  shocked
mudley the self confessed animal(according to nuclearboy) is really confused.
your logic is just too poor and u claimed to be schooling in USA. Jesoul have made  5287 Posts, mazaje 4851 posts Dayokanu 18,000 posts Mukina 30,000 posts compared to me with posts lesser than theirs. Does it also mean they don't have a life outside NL?


Mudley313:

smh @ you getting your feelings hurt over mere words on a screen on an anonymous online forum. the truth hurts huh?
No boy. I'm not hurt, i'm just catching fun here and what about u?
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Mudley313: 9:52am On Oct 27, 2010
toba:

@Enigma [/b]feel u jare.
mudley the self confessed animal(according to [b]nuclearboy
)

smh @ constantly namedropping online screen names to make you feel some form of self worth and you (who always claim to be the adult) not having a mind of your own. you're so worried about what faceless e-buddies think about you huh? it is you who was threatening brimestone and fire earlier on but soon as one of your online boyfriends showed up you had to change your mind in order to please them and make your useless self feel better about his worthless life. i have nothing against you, i only feel kinda bad for you. you suffer from sever low self esteem issues. you have no life so you come online to seek acceptance from faceless male strangers. i remember once you were even asking me if it was possible to go out with you for a beer. eeewww.

i come on here just to be closer to my fellow naijas cos i lived and am currently in a place were there's hardly any nigerian, what's your excuse. why do you have to even go to the extent of lying about what you do, your educational qualifications, and how many imaginary countries you've flown to in your dream? go cry to your fellow christian mod all you want, i don't care if i get banned unlike you who'd probably commit suicide if you do since you're jobless and spend all your life here. yea, i was not happy when i got banned the last time cos i was new here in germany and occupied myself with the going ons in naija through nairaland. we're making euros out here while you stay begging for male attention online since you get none in real life. weirdo

toba
Posts: 4557
shocked  shocked  shocked  shocked

*smh @ you spending all that time to modify your last post; you might have not slept well last night. go out and get some fresh air. freak
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Nobody: 12:58pm On Oct 27, 2010
Mudley313:

smh @ constantly namedropping online screen names to make you feel some form of self worth and you (who always claim to be the adult) not having a mind of your own. you're so worried about what faceless e-buddies think about you huh? it is you who was threatening brimestone and fire earlier on but soon as one of your online boyfriends showed up you had to change your mind in order to please them and make your useless self feel better about his worthless life. i have nothing against you, i only feel kinda bad for you.
Even if u have, i don't care. According to you 'this is a faceless forum' don't let us take anything serious my boy.

Mudley313:

i come on here just to be closer to my fellow naijas cos i lived and am currently in a place were there's hardly any nigerian,
like u do say 'shm', i do same for u. instead of u to act like an adult when relating to ur fellow Nigerians online, u prefer to act like a kid. In almost every section of this forum u visit, u tend to pick up a fight or an argument with someone sha. U weren't banned for insulting someone in the Religion section but in another section no? If u truly mean this 'i come on here just to be closer to my fellow naijas' then why pick up a fight with almost all ur 'fellow'?

Mudley313:

what's your excuse. why do you have to even go to the extent of lying about what you do, your educational qualifications, and how many imaginary countries you've flown to in your dream?
Why should i? i have pple that i know from NL that we meet on interval basis in Lagos and beyond(within the confinement of Nigeria and outside)

Mudley313:

go cry to your fellow christian mod all you want, i don't care if i get banned unlike you who'd probably commit suicide if you do since you're jobless and spend all your life here.
Are u sure? u said this above 'i come on here just to be closer to my fellow naijas' and remember u pleaded with one of the supermods to help unban u no? I know this as a fact and u registered with 'mudley312' to beg for a pardon. If u are in doubt, scroll down to the bottom of the Religion section page and type in 'mudley312' in the search box, the thread will pop up instantly

Mudley313:

yea, i was not happy when i got banned the last time cos i was new here in germany and occupied myself with the going ons in naija through nairaland. we're making euros out here while you stay begging for male attention online since you get none in real life. weirdo
Are u sure? U just said this above 'i don't care if i get banned' So which one should i believe? Mud



Mudley313:

toba
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Mudley313:

*smh @ you spending all that time to modify your last post; you might have not slept well last night. go out and get some fresh air. freak
Mudley, u wouldn't believe this, i spent just 13mins to do the modification. Honestly and i did it this morning around 9.00am local time here


I hope we ve entertained pple following this thread, cos i see all this as a means of catching fun. Don't know about u though. Just like Jesoul said u atheist must see the other funny side of life and dont take all things too formal like u ve done on this thread

JeSoul:

I think the atheists in here are taking the topic way too seriously i[b]nstead of the cheerful[/b] chiding and play on words I believe Enigma intended. Sometimes you fellas need to stop and take a deep breath [/b]and [b]learn to laugh at a topic - even if it is[b] with[/b] a christian.

Mudley my friend do u agree with the mod?
Re: An Ungodly Row: Dawkins Sues His Disciple by Mudley313: 2:24pm On Oct 27, 2010
toba:

I was really angry and in haste to respond to u,

toba:

No boy. I'm not hurt, i'm just catching fun here and what about u?

smh. what a bag of contradictions

at the end of the day (and on a more serious note), i think you seriously should take heed to my earlier advice and go get yourself a life in the real world instead of spewing a bunch of retarded lies to impress faceless screen names online. start with a job application (even the uneducated still put their hands to productive use)

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