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Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by thehomer: 7:59pm On Nov 27, 2010
Jenwitemi:

Homer, i am not disputing the fact that human beings do have rich imaginations, but to put ancient alien encounters - that happened globally in the past - only on human imaginations is simply ludicruous. These encounters are recorded in ALL the cultures worldwide! You want to tell me that everybody was imagining the same thing back then? That would be  a miracle.

The stories are not the same across cultures. Neither were they global.

Jenwitemi:

Homer, does the fact that these stories were written when mankind was supposed to be in stone age mean anything? Can you explain how the stone age man can imagine sci-fi tales and have them written down in such glowing details. You should try to read some excerpts from the vTibetan ancient texts called, KANJUR. You will see the same alien encounters too written in fantastic details.

Adding details to a fantasy does not make it true. After glancing at this Kangyur on Wikipedia, I still don't see the link between that and science fiction.

Jenwitemi:

These texts are thousands of years old. The vedic texts are atleast 3 to 4 thousand years old, if not more. At that time, which was stone age period, can you tell me how humans at that time could think up stories about space wars fought with fantastic futuristic weapons? All these kind of stories are found in the Mahabharata and the Purana. You should try to tell me HOW stone age mankind could imagine up sciece fiction stories that we are capable of today if they were supposed to be simple stone-age folks back then. Maybe they were not as simple as we were told.

The stone age was about 6000 to 8000 years ago in those regions. I did not notice any references to space and futuristic wars or weapons. Perhaps if you could provide a reference that one could use.
I simply don't agree that what you're comparing to science fiction today is apt unless you provide some references.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by Jenwitemi(m): 8:24pm On Nov 27, 2010
^^^^ The homer, you are looking for references, well you have more than enough already on the web. But if you have set your mind not to believe in ETs, then no point of reference will do for you. Personally, not only do i believe that they exist(we certainly are not alone in the universe), but i also believe that we humans(our bodysuits, anyway) are genetically crossbred alien hybrids.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by thehomer: 9:56pm On Nov 27, 2010
Jenwitemi:

^^^^ The homer, you are looking for references, well you have more than enough already on the web. But if you have set your mind not to believe in ETs, then no point of reference will do for you.

I meant evidence of these space battles, detailed star astronomy etc. The texts are quite long and in several volumes for me to search through for such information.

Jenwitemi:

Personally, not only do i believe that they exist(we certainly are not alone in the universe), but i also believe that we humans(our bodysuits, anyway) are genetically crossbred alien hybrids.

Bodysuits? Alien hybrids? So these aliens also share our genetic material? i.e They are so similar to humans that they may as well be humans.
I really do wonder about the evidence you actually have supporting such hypotheses.
Anyway, good luck to you and your beliefs.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by Nobody: 11:31pm On Nov 27, 2010
Martian said:

So because Indians have stories about aliens as an intrinsic part of their culture means it's true?

In that case you should also believe the story about Shango's wife Oba who changed into billions of water molecules and became the Oba river. This was after she cut of a piece of her ear and cooked it for shango who obviously got pissed off because his wife was trying to feed him human meat.
 

Such stories are merely condensed, symbolic tales of the actual events. Simplified for the masses. The priests know the expanded accounts. If you ask them.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by Nobody: 11:52pm On Nov 27, 2010
Can somebody please explain to me how and why any people who were not acquainted with extraordinarily advanced, flight capable intelligences would create the mysterious NAZCA LINES in Peru??

In the Nazca region of Peru, scattered over 500 square kilometers of an arid plateau near the Nazca River, exist huge representations of geometric patterns, animals, human figures and thousands of perfectly straight lines that go on for kilometers, which look for all the world, like RUNWAYS for AIRCRAFT, and dated thousands of years old.

Also, note this: The images on the ground are so huge, that the only way to fully observe them is from the sky.

See stunning images and documentary of the Nazca Lines here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m4OrkQzfQY
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by KunleOshob(m): 8:25am On Nov 28, 2010
The extra-terrestrial God theory has a lot of credence even from the bible, however it is not a certainity. I see it more as a mordern way of describing ancient phenomena. But then again the ancients would have been at a loss of words to describe extraterrestrial activities. They certainly wld not have the vocabulary to use and they would describe it has they best understand. There are several monuments that were left by the ancients has evidence of superior technology which even today we can't replicate amongst which are; the great pyramid of Giza; the 1,000,000kg stone block transported and used in the construction of the temple of jupiter; stonehenge and several other super structures that the ancients couldn't possibly have built given their level of technology.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by cogicero: 10:55am On Nov 28, 2010
how do you know these amazing things like NAZCA lines in Peru are not activities of tourists / researchers (time-travellers) from the future using future technology?
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by Enigma(m): 11:47am On Nov 28, 2010
^^^ From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazca_Lines

Scholars have theorized the Nazca people could have used simple tools and surveying equipment to construct the lines. Studies have found wooden stakes in the ground at the end of some lines, which support this theory. One such stake was carbon-dated and the basis for establishing the age of the design complex. Researcher Joe Nickell of the University of Kentucky has reproduced the figures by using tools and technology available to the Nazca people. The National Geographic called his work "remarkable in its exactness" when compared to the actual lines.[3] With careful planning and simple technologies, a small team of people could recreate even the largest figures within days, without any aerial assistance.[4] Most of the lines form a trench about six inches deep.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by Nobody: 4:29pm On Nov 28, 2010
Enigma, no one is saying that the people could not have made those representations. In fact most researchers believe they did. The question is - why? The images are only visible in their full scope from the sky. And why would they create these straight line wide paths that resemble runways, stretching for scores of kilometres in different directions??

And one last thing: As shown in the video, someone clearly flattened off the mountain peaks in that place with surgical precision, with no sign of the residue. Explain THAT. What simple tools could the people possibly have used to accomplish that?

I'd also caution against basing your conclusions regarding such mysteries on what you read in wikipedia. Wikipedia propagates highly conservative 'mainstream' explanations for everything, and that means shunning 'non-conventional' deductions regardless of their merit.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by Nobody: 6:31pm On Nov 28, 2010
cogicero said:

how do you know these amazing things like NAZCA lines in Peru are not activities of tourists / researchers (time-travellers) from the future using future technology?

Interesting idea, and by no means outlandish in my view. But I do reckon a lot more evidence points to the ancient astronaut theory. As earlier shown, virtually all cultures have a tradition of such visitations in antiquity, with the added insistence that they were in fact created by those entities.

Could we have been created by our future offspring? How so?  smiley
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by Nobody: 6:51pm On Nov 28, 2010
When we read some of these highly condensed and symbolic African creation ''myths'', they point to many of the conclusions reached here.

Two examples:


Ekoi (South Nigeria):

''In the beginning there were two gods, Obassi Osaw and Obassi Nsi. The two gods created everything together. Then Obassi Osaw decided to live in the sky and Obassi Nsi decided to live on the earth. The god in the sky gives light and moisture, but also brings drought and storms. The god of the earth nurtures, and takes the people back to him when they die. One day long ago Obassi Osaw [ie the SKY 'god'] made a man and a woman, and placed them upon the earth. They knew nothing so Obassi Nsi taught them about planting and hunting to get food.''


The legends of extraterrestrial ''gods'' we've discussed so far always include the assertion by the ancients that these visitors ''taught man civilized living''.




Yoruba:

''In the beginning was only the sky above, water and marshland below. The chief god Olorun ruled the sky, and the goddess Olokun ruled what was below. Obatala, another god, reflected upon this situation, then went to Olorun for permission to create dry land for all kinds of living creatures to inhabit. He was given permission, so he sought advice from Orunmila, oldest son of Olorun and the god of prophecy. He was told he would need a GOLD chain [note reference to gold and the Annunaki's arrival for that purpose] long enough to reach below, a snail's shell filled with sand, a white hen, a black cat, and a palm nut, all of which he was to carry in a bag.

All the gods contributed what GOLD they had, and Orunmila supplied the articles for the bag. When all was ready, Obatala hung the GOLD chain from a corner of the sky, placed the bag over his shoulder, and started the downward climb. When he reached the end of the GOLD chain he saw he still had some distance to go. From above he heard Orunmila instruct him to pour the sand from the snail's shell, and to immediately release the white hen. He did as he was told, whereupon the hen landing on the sand began scratching and scattering it about.

Wherever the sand landed it formed dry land, the bigger piles becoming hills and the smaller piles valleys. Obatala jumped to a hill and named the place Ife. The dry land now extended as far as he could see. He dug a hole, planted the palm nut, and saw it grow to maturity in a flash. The mature palm tree dropped more palm nuts on the ground, each of which grew immediately to maturity and repeated the process. Obatala settled down with the cat for company. Many months passed, and he grew bored with his routine.

He decided to create beings like himself to keep him company. [correspondingly, the old testament, essentially a condensed version of the Sumerian texts, states ''and God said, let us make man in our image'']. He dug into the sand and soon found clay with which to mold figures like himself and started on his task, but he soon grew tired and decided to take a break. He made wine from a nearby palm tree, and drank bowl after bowl. Not realizing he was drunk, Obatala returned to his task of fashioning the new beings; because of his condition he fashioned many imperfect figures. [recall the Egyptian and Sumerian half man/half animal beings, wrought by Annunaki ''experiments''].

Without realizing this, he called out to Olorun to breathe life into his creatures. The next day he realized what he had done and swore never to drink again, and to take care of those who were deformed, thus becoming Protector of the Deformed. [Perhaps explaining the lofty position as court officers and priests conferred on those beings - see Egyptian tomb art displayed above]. The new people built huts as Obatala had done and soon Ife prospered and became a city. All the other gods were happy with what Obatala had done, and visited the land often, except for Olokun, the ruler of all below the sky.

http://www.mythome.org/creatafr.html
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by thehomer: 7:17pm On Nov 28, 2010
KunleOshob:

The extra-terrestrial God theory has a lot of credence even from the bible, however it is not a certainity. I see it more as a mordern way of describing ancient phenomena. But then again the ancients would have been at a loss of words to describe extraterrestrial activities. They certainly wld not have the vocabulary to use and they would describe it has they best understand. There are several monuments that were left by the ancients has evidence of superior technology which even today we can't replicate amongst which are; the great pyramid of Giza; the 1,000,000kg stone block transported and used in the construction of the temple of jupiter; stonehenge and several other super structures that the ancients couldn't possibly have built given their level of technology.


Who says those objects cannot be built using today's technology? Besides, was that a typo or do you actually believe that some ancient people were able to move a 1 kilo tonne object?
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by KunleOshob(m): 7:44pm On Nov 28, 2010
^^^
@thehomer
Definitely not a typo, maybe you shd google up "temple of jupiter" you might just learn a thing or two.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by Mobinga: 8:13pm On Nov 28, 2010
What a waste of bandwidth
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by thehomer: 8:23pm On Nov 28, 2010
KunleOshob:

^^^
@thehomer
Definitely not a typo, maybe you shd google up "temple of jupiter" you might just learn a thing or two.

That's interesting. I now know that they were able to move some heavy stones but, they were about 800 tonnes.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by KunleOshob(m): 8:46pm On Nov 28, 2010
^^^
So can you explain what technonology they used to move 800 ton blocks over vast distances? Obviously there are more questions than answers. The ancients obviously knew something we don't know today and the knowledge was not passed down to us cos they were not capable of comprehending it. Meaning they didn't develope the knowledge. It must have come from an external[extrateresstrial] source.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by thehomer: 8:57pm On Nov 28, 2010
KunleOshob:

^^^
So can you explain what technonology they used to move 800 ton blocks over vast distances? Obviously there are more questions than answers. The ancients obviously knew something we don't know today and the knowledge was not passed down to us cos they were not capable of comprehending it. Meaning they didn't develope the knowledge. It must have come from an external[extrateresstrial] source.

No I don't know how they moved those objects. This sounds like the ET of the gaps argument. We don't know how some people in the past did something therefore, extraterrestrials must have done it?
And you do realize that now, we can move much larger objects.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by Jenwitemi(m): 9:09pm On Nov 28, 2010
With high technology, yes. But the ancient folks aren't supposed to have high tech knowledge, so how did they move megaliths that weigh 100s of tons. While you are within your rights to deny the ET theory, you should be able to present an alternative. If you can't, then your denial is totally empty. Provide an alternative, if you can.
thehomer:

No I don't know how they moved those objects. This sounds like the ET of the gaps argument. We don't know how some people in the past did something therefore, extraterrestrials must have done it?
And you do realize that now, we can move much larger objects.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by Jenwitemi(m): 9:23pm On Nov 28, 2010
How on earth could primitive indians(with no technology) have drawn the Nazca lines with primitive tools? Ridiculous to even think that as remotely possible. And the flattening of the mountain peaks? We can't even do that with today's technology, talkless of primitive folks with primitive tools,
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by Jenwitemi(m): 9:33pm On Nov 28, 2010
What about the platform of Baalbek in Lebanon? Who built it?
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by thehomer: 9:42pm On Nov 28, 2010
Jenwitemi:

With high technology, yes. But the ancient folks aren't supposed to have high tech knowledge, so how did they move megaliths that weigh 100s of tons. While you are within your rights to deny the ET theory, you should be able to present an alternative. If you can't, then your denial is totally empty. Provide an alternative, if you can.

Actually several come to mind. Mechanisms such as rollers, levers, inclined planes even pulleys may have been used whether separately or in various combinations.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by thehomer: 9:45pm On Nov 28, 2010
Jenwitemi:

What about the platform of Baalbek in Lebanon? Who built it?

The Romans built it.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by Jenwitemi(m): 9:49pm On Nov 28, 2010
No, they did not. It was there long before the romans came and simply built temples on it. Get your information right.
thehomer:

The Romans built it.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by Jenwitemi(m): 9:57pm On Nov 28, 2010
All that has been debunked and thrown out, fella. There is no way pulleys, levers and rollers could have been used to move boulders weighing 100s of tons. You can rule that out completely. That has been tried in modern times and it failed woefully. Think of a better alternative.
thehomer:

Actually several come to mind. Mechanisms such as rollers, levers, inclined planes even pulleys may have been used whether separately or in various combinations.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by Jenwitemi(m): 10:05pm On Nov 28, 2010
For those who are interested in this kind of stuff, here is a good website to help you build your database,  http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_5.htm
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by Nobody: 10:28pm On Nov 28, 2010
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by Nobody: 10:34pm On Nov 28, 2010
There is no way the Baalbek stones were lifted by humans using simple tools. Some of those stones weigh up to a thousand tonnes!  undecided
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by Jenwitemi(m): 10:46pm On Nov 28, 2010
There is no crane today that can lift that kind of weight, and yet the ancients were able to move such massive carved stones like that around with seeming ease! shocked  We surely haven't been told what was in the past. Somebody should start vomiting the truth about our past now.
ROSSIKE:

There is no way the Baalbek stones were lifted by humans using simple tools. Some of those stones weigh up to a thousand tonnes!  undecided


Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by Nobody: 11:03pm On Nov 28, 2010
jenwitemi said:

We surely haven't been told what was in the past. Somebody should start vomiting the truth about our past now.

grin grin

lol. If they did, it would upset a lot of things.

The plain fact is that whole philosophies, religions, socio-economic systems, and even academic/working careers, have been built on defending the current deceptions.

The fallout from full disclosure would be such that it could sweep the entire system away with it, with unfathomable consequences for the ruling classes. Hence their resistance to the widespread dissemination and acceptance of this knowledge.

I do sense though, that they are allowing the knowledge to spread slowly, in a barely noticeable way, perhaps to prepare us for the ''second coming'' of those entities, as long predicted by the ''prophets'', ie the errand boys hired by those beings in antiquity.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by cogicero: 1:19pm On Nov 29, 2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raelism


Raëlism is a UFO religion that was founded in 1974 by Claude Vorilhon, now known as Raël. Raëlism has been described as "the largest UFO religion in the world".[2] In academic circles, the religion is also known as the Raëlian Church.

The Raelian Movement teaches that life on Earth was scientifically created by a species of extraterrestrials, which they call the Elohim. Members of this species appeared human and when having personal contacts with the descendants of the humans they made, they were mistaken for angels, cherubim or gods. Raëlians believe messengers, or prophets, of the Elohim include Buddha, Jesus, and many others who informed humans of each era. The founder of Raëlism, members claim, received the final message of the Elohim and that its purpose is to pacify and inform the world about Elohim and that if humans become peaceful enough, they wish to be welcome by them.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by cogicero: 1:19pm On Nov 29, 2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_religion


UFO religion is an informal term used to describe a religion that equates UFO occupants with gods or other semi-divine beings. Typically, the UFO occupants are held to be extraterrestials and that humanity either currently is, or eventually will become, part of a preexisting extraterrestrial civilization. Others may incorporate UFOs into a more supernatural world-view in which the UFO occupants are more akin to angels than physical aliens, though, ultimately this distinction may become blurred within this worldview.

Adherents believe that the arrival or rediscovery of alien civilizations, technologies and spirituality will enable humans to overcome their current ecological, spiritual and social problems. Issues such as hatred, war, bigotry, poverty and so on are said to be resolvable through the use of superior alien technology and spiritual abilities. Such belief systems are described as millenarian in their outlook.
Re: We Were Created By Extraterrestrial Beings. by thehomer: 9:30pm On Nov 29, 2010
Jenwitemi:

No, they did not. It was there long before the romans came and simply built temples on it. Get your information right.

No it was the Romans. The stones were quarried by them from a nearby site.

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