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Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by Nobody: 8:06pm On Dec 04, 2010 |
In all that I've read about this incident here and elsewhere, I've seen no reliable, independent verification of the claim that 150 civilians were killed in this attack by the Nigerian military. If no one can actually confirm THIS, then much of what we're debating here is, quite frankly, useless. And no, the claim made by a member of an NGO human rights group does NOT constitute reliable, independent evidence. |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by igboboy1(m): 8:32pm On Dec 04, 2010 |
Unfortunately this is a fight the Niger Delta Can't win Because 95% of the people talk but dont act especially our leaders, thats why I duff my Hat for the Ijaw boys (not Ijaw leaders). If Bini, Urhobo, Isoko, Igbo, Efik, Ibibio, Anang, Itsekiri, Eshan, Ogoni, etc support our Ijaw brothers the Fed Govt has no choice but to negotiate in fairness with the region. Well I guess the Ijaw and the non-Ijaw groups in the Niger Delta have themselves to blame for any lack of progress in getting their God given right. |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by jamace(m): 9:13pm On Dec 04, 2010 |
Unfortunately this is a fight the Niger Delta Can't win Because 95% of the people talk but dont act especially our leaders, thats why I duff my Hat for the Ijaw boys (not Ijaw leaders). Are you saying the govt is not [b]fair to the region? Please, expatiate on the form of negotiation necessary to show fairness to the region. |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by igboboy1(m): 12:59pm On Dec 05, 2010 |
jamace: yes o thats what I am saying. In all aspect the fed govt is not fair in its dealing with the People of the Niger delta. for example: 1. the use of excessive military force is not warranted in civillian areas. Why dont they have a permanent JTF in areas where Boko haram are active and rather than being reactive (only attacking when Boko haram strikes) they should be proactive as they are in the niger delta and go into the villages and towns of these boko haram members. 2. The fed govt has the power to make foreign oil companies clean up their mess, hire more locals and carry out more persecution of oil execs, and members of govt involved in illicit activities. 3. well this one is not the fault of the past and present civilian govt in the past 11yrs, however all those plot of oil blocs sold to members of the military juntas should be returned. 4. See small oil BP spilled off the coast of Louisiana dem hear nweee from U.S govt, this has been going on the ND for decades and yet the govt turns a blind eye as long as they get their cut/bribe from the corporations. 5. The east west road we have been hearing from minister daggash na just talk? You might say ah ah na only ND get bad roads, well boys for this side no dey smile plus dem get easy access to gun (an idle mind is the devils workshop), use this boys restlessness and youth for good things such as the accomplishment of the road project. 6. We don hear promises over promises towards this region, either the fed govt act or stop promising cos talk is cheap |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by SegzyJoe(m): 2:07pm On Dec 05, 2010 |
@post Until Nigerians decides to resist evil under whatever name it is being called whether militancy or armed robber, the people that harbours such criminal elements in their community will continue to suffer collateral damage in the hands of law enforcement agents and the armed forces. If you know a militant hide-out or camps where evil is being perpetrated and the entire community dey sidon look as if nothing happened, then it is to their peril. There is no government that will open its eyes and allowed criminal elements to wrestle power away from the state. It is the responsibility of every community to ensure that they are not at cross purposes with government efforts at stamping out militancy and criminal activities of a few idiots. |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by Faeb: 2:14pm On Dec 05, 2010 |
^ Oga, I'm sure you still haven't heard that it was the community that pointed out John Togo's camp to JTF. Why una no de read before talking sef? |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by Ikomi(m): 3:28pm On Dec 05, 2010 |
SegzyJoe: These are the words of one with no moral grounds. Lets take a look at it this way: If the Military is professional enough, and the army chief had a head on his neck, this would be my suggestion of how to get the region rid of all militants and criminals. First of all we must differentiate a criminal from a militant. A militant fights for a course which he believes is right, by using violence, but he does not hide nor cower, he confronts those he thinks have wronged him face to face and allow the justice of military prowess take its course. A criminal is a thief who cowers among the just and would never come face to face with the authorities unless captured. What the Nigerian Army was looking for in the creeks of Niger Delta (maybe criminals or militants) I don't know and neither do I support. What if the operation was well planned such that this area was well cordoned, no soul goes in or out. The army then calls out for innocent villagers to come out to a particular point where they would be air lifted to a neutral or refugee camp well prepared somewhere in another state, say Osun state. Ohh yes before you say the criminals or militants might join the innocent to be airlifted out, but two things would have been accomplished, they would not be going out with their arms and they stand a risk of been pointed out by the neutral villagers. After this warning has been made whereby a period of time is given to allow for this process, then whoever is left in this cordoned area is either a criminal, a militant or a criminal/militant sympathizer who could be struck by a bullet if the need arises but the principal aim would be to capture these criminals or militants alive to face trial. Oohh yes before you raise your lazy behind to tell me it would be a painful and expensive exercise, let me remind you that every life in that country is worth more than the billions your leaders throw about enriching themselves, otherwise there would be no Nigeria without Nigerians and there would be no nation or person for the corrupt leaders to Govern. Without subjects there is no Governor, plain and simple. This might not be the best way to go about it, there would be better suggestions that might actually reduce the loss of innocent lives to zero, but to walk in to this creek or jungle perharps village, and mow everyone down, including innocent chickens just because some disgruntled elements has chossen the place as a hide out or base, is simply unprofessional. The army chief should answer to this, the commander in chief should strongly investigate the situation and come out with reasonable answers, otherwise both of them are not fit for their jobs. |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by Nobody: 7:17pm On Dec 05, 2010 |
Before the raid, an ultimatum was given to the civilians living in the creeks to leave. It was after that the raid started. |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by igboboy1(m): 10:40pm On Dec 05, 2010 |
koastar:una just dey talk wetin una no know, who tell u say that the civillians live in the creek? They live in their villages o, na the freedom fighters dey operate from the creek, Highest the civilians might pass the creek in their daily commute but they dont live there EINSTEIN |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by Ikomi(m): 11:25pm On Dec 05, 2010 |
koastar: An ultimatum was given to them to leave and go where? Your house I believe. |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by xoxogg(f): 7:56am On Dec 06, 2010 |
lwise : Omenani : The news is true, Its the mistake of the site, it should have been dated Dec 3, 2010(the day i posted it) not Dec 3 2008. As @ the time of posting, the heading didn't even carry the date it was sorta like---- 30 minutes ago. Besides, theres this amazingly cool |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by Mariory(m): 10:44pm On Dec 06, 2010 |
An activist who visited Ayakoromo on Friday accompanied by the military has said at least nine people were reported killed and dozens of houses were damaged, including some that were burnt. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101205/wl_africa_afp/nigeriaoilunrestmilitarynewseries;_ylt=AvYcwD.mQyXnRWHi0ynC5yu96Q8F;_ylu=X3oDMTM5YXFlZzRkBGFzc2V0A2FmcC8yMDEwMTIwNS9uaWdlcmlhb2lsdW5yZXN0bWlsaXRhcnluZXdzZXJpZXMEcG9zAzQxBHNlYwN5bl9wYWdpbmF0ZV9zdW1tYXJ5X2xpc3QEc2xrA25pZ2VyaWFubWlsaQ-- |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by Mariory(m): 10:47pm On Dec 06, 2010 |
Resurgent unrest in the Niger Delta risks undermining the credibility of President Goodluck Jonathan in the run-up to elections next April and his administration is keen to show he has a grip on criminality there. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101206/wl_nm/us_nigeria_delta |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by kokorodudu(f): 1:27am On Dec 07, 2010 |
IMHO - I think Jonathan is off to a slippery slope. He doesn't have what it takes to handle his end talk less of Nigeria. I wish him goodluck, |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by otokx(m): 8:42am On Dec 07, 2010 |
Did they capture the John Togo? If not then their mission was a failure as the destruction and violence wrought on those civilian population is all to no avail. |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by wazobiang: 9:13am On Dec 07, 2010 |
evil govt |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by lordvamon(m): 12:08pm On Dec 07, 2010 |
sources!!!!!111111 |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by tunde121oke: 7:38pm On Dec 07, 2010 |
our population don reduce kool |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by Nobody: 1:21pm On Dec 15, 2010 |
igbo boy: Ikomi: So, you don't know your brothers live around the creeks? You need to visit some of the places to comfirm how deterioted live is in the creek. Because we live in the city does not mean some people do not live on water in the creeks. What I said was true that an ultimatum was given to the civilians staying around the creeks to vacate the place in order not to kill innocent people. |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by igboboy1(m): 8:24pm On Dec 18, 2010 |
koastar: Guy u just dey for city dey yan OP, |
Re: Niger Delta: Up To 150 Killed By Army? by Nobody: 8:39pm On Dec 19, 2010 |
igbo boy:If you have not been to the creeks before let me give you some suggestions. Go to Kolavar (also known as Kola) in Rivers state or Olobiri in Bayelsa state then, you will know how a creek looks like mor.on |
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