LagosShia:

why do you at all cost want to engage the sister,when as you well know she is just being exposed to the Shia side of the story of Islam?why not engage a full-blown shia,a shia to the core and one like myself who will never become a sunni.and if you disprove that shia islam is wrong i would rather leave islam totally and be without a religion.and if islam is not my religion then i would rather stay with no religion and call myself an "agnostic".


the offer has being forwarded to you in 2 others threads.come let us discuss.i am not trying to hijack your thread nor am i dissuading the sister.i am only putting forth a suggestion.you more or less see the sister as susceptible to shia islam and she is open-minded.so lest she becomes a shia,you are trying to concentrate on her to "win" her back.and you believe yourself so much and have the confidence to think you can control her?i dont think you can brainwash her.she is an intelligent woman and like us all Allah has blessed her with the power of intellect.

muhsin:


How predictable! If I were you I wouldn’t have said a word here, especially since the poster (that’s me) even predicted that. More-over, I know many will be displeased at me replying you; no! I am only replying not you directly (or even indirectly, for I know nothing good will come out of it) but the sister through you, for she’s as well, inshaAllah, going to read both what you say and what I will say in the following lines.

Before then, I will make something clear, and that is there is nothing in this world, inshaAllah, that lead me to renounce my Aqeedah, not to mention the Deen (faith) all-in-all. Wallahi I would rather be killed than to do that. But very foolhardy of you, you are announcing leaving your Deen if proved wrong of your sect. Allah forbid! And, am not engaging you not because you are that mighty! You are very much “defeatable”, for what you hold is nothing like truth.

Unlike how you perceived, it’s at only one and single cost: her willingness and interest. If she say she isn’t willing or interested in indulging me in anything like that I certainly will leave alone for the sake of Allah and for good. Allah, the Exalted, has seen my intention, and I know, inshaAllah, I’ll be rewarded for that.

It’s me who would tell you that Sister Uplawal is an intelligent woman. I know her (though just here) before she accepted Islam; I think there is no more intelligence above that. And, to prove that she’s even more intelligent that you, you very foolishly said above that you will renounce Islam… (Sic).

I shall say more when I get back, inshaAllah; but not you! To the response I am expecting having soon from the sister.

May Allah, the Exalted, guide us all to the right and straight-forward path, amin.

Sweetnecta:

LagosShia, shouldn't everyone emulate the wisdom of Ali [ra], who obviously was not proud and didn't curse any of the companions?


It is clear to me that, Ali who was not shy, especially when it comes to his rights would not have became a dove, especially when he was a lion.

This quality is what we should all share from him, coupled with the fact that Umar [ra], an obvious man of valor in the lifetime of the Messenger (AS) was always respecting him, in every instance he had. Allah's Messenger was the best of all mankind, praised each of the kalifahs asking Allah to support Islam with one of the 2 Umar, and Alhamdulillah it was Khattab that was chosen.

As Muslims, we need to look at the qualities of each of our leaders. Personally, I take the perseverance of Ali in the matters of those before him.

LagosShia:

YOU ARE A DRAMA QUEEN.

you just throw word you cant prove.you run away just like Umar did 

no one is asking you to renounce your aqeedah.i am only asking you to complete your iman.the declaration by the Prophet Muhammad of the wilayah of Imam Ali was the point during which the verse of completion of religion was revealed.without belief in the wilayah of Imam Ali,your iman and aqeedah are deficient.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_the_pond_of_Khumm

chakula:

Imagine! to my conclusion this thread was created for a purpose why lagosshia is trying to corrupt it, we knew and, have a threads that all this kinda of discussions take place there which you initiated with your hand and,some created in respect of you and co. but yet you have to stumble here and continue doing the same thing.Please let this thread achieve the purpose been created for.

muhsin:

That's why I think I'll not respond to any of his (LagosShia) blabbing further. And, wallahi, if not because I am busy doing exam and other things I would have created anew thread to fully disprove his misguidance for all to see . . .

May Allah, the Exalted, guide us all to the right path, amin.

isale_gan2:

Brother,

Please don't be distracted from your exams/studies o. The thread and all the posts will still be there for you to respond to when you're less busy!

Salaam.

chakula:

Imagine! to my conclusion this thread was created for a purpose why lagosshia is trying to corrupt it, we knew and, have a threads that all this kinda of discussions take place there which you initiated with your hand and,some created in respect of you and co. but yet you have to stumble here and continue doing the same thing.Please let this thread achieve the purpose been created for.

muhsin:

This thread isn't meant for you as its title foretells, yet you are trying to hijack it and even drag me into engaging you. Please stop it! Let the sister come. . . And as mentioned by a brother, AbuHanifa, above, your turn will come soon. I am now too busy to indulge you in what might end in futile, for I fear you aren't here to accept any truth, rather you are here to make trouble and dispute everything that isn't in line with your view.

Nonetheless, I will say some few words regarding your reply above. You very much had (and still has) me smiling and wondering. Why bring Wikipedia into this?! This is very naive and ignorant of you--a stalwart Shiites who by hook or crook looks after to preach yet resolve to citing a non-Muslim site to establish his claim. Re-check that, bud.

And, for your info and other readers, the verse: (الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِى وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الأِسْلاَمَ دِيناً) meaning: This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. (Q5:3) It's not revealed for that reason as innumerable Muslim scholars incontestably report. This is an indisputable truth believed by virtually all.

The verse was revealed during the Prophet, may Allah exalt his mention, farewell pilgrimage on Arafat day. In the narration collected by Al-Bukhari in the book of Tafsir, through Tariq, he said, "The Jews said to `Umar, `By Allah! There is a verse that is read by all of you (Muslims), and had it been revealed to us, we would have taken that day (on which it was revealed) as a day of celebration.' `Umar said, `By Allah! I know when and where this verse was revealed and where the Messenger of Allah was at that time. It was the day of `Arafah, and I was at `Arafah, by Allah.''

There are numerous Hadiths that support this fact that are definitely authentic and of the Mutawatir type. This Hadith was also reported from `Umar through various chains of narration.

I am afraid I have to stop from here; my time as always is finishing. May Allah, the Exalted, guide us all to the right path.

LagosShia:

wikipedia is an encyclopaedia that cites arguments and the perspectives from both sides and with historical references.

obviously,i cannot bring a sunni article on the event of Ghadir Khumm because your aim is to bury it.but i can bring shia articles with sunni references.the event is recorded in your books.
those are your semi literate scholars who were paid from the purse of banu ummayya and the stolen money of the ummah whose aim is to distort history and invent tales.

if you deny the verse of completion was revealed on the event of Ghadir Khumm,then what do you say about the verse of warning to the Prophet?what was it that had the Prophet not propagate,it would have rendered his entire mission fruitless?why did Allah say He will protect the Prophet?what was this revelation about that after years of preaching the Prophet needed divine protection to propagate a particular message the verse is hinting on?

here is the verse:

[Quran 5:67] O Messenger! proclaim the (message) which hath been sent to thee from thy Lord. If thou didst not, thou wouldst not have fulfilled and proclaimed His mission. And Allah will defend thee from men (who mean mischief). For Allah guideth not those who reject Faith.


“Today I have perfected your religion and completed my bounty upon
you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion.” (Quran 5:3)


Some of Sunni references which mentioned the revelation of the above verse of Quran in Ghadir Khum after the speech of the Prophet:

(1) al-Durr al-Manthur, by al-Hafiz Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, v3, p19
(2) Tarikh, by Khatib al-Baghdadi, v8, pp 290,596 from Abu Hurayra
(3) Manaqaib, by Ibn Maghazali, p19
(4) History of Damascus, Ibn Asakir, v2, p75
(5) al-Itqan, by al-Suyuti, v1, p13
(6) Manaqib, by Khawarazmi al-Hanfi, p80
(7) al-Bidayah wal-Nihayah, by Ibn Kathir, v3, p213
( Yanabi’ al-Mawaddah, by al-Qudoozi al-Hanafi, p115
(9) Nuzul al-Quran, by al-Hafiz Abu Nu’aym narrated on the authority
Abu Sa’id Khudri.

muhsin:

• Shiites concept of dissimulation wreaks on simple-minded Muslims.

• Prophet’s Companions are far from deserving curse.

• Ahlus Sunnah and Shiites: which one is on the correct path?
How can there be any compromise or link between the Ahl-us-Sunnah and the Shi’it? The Ahlus- Sunnah are those who uphold the Qur'aan and the Hadeeth (Sunnah). It is through them that Allah, the Exalted, has protected the deen. They are those who engaged in Jihaad for the glory and dignity of Islam and established the glorious history of Islam.

On the other hand the state of the Shiites is that they are those who curse and insult the Sahabah ((RAma). They are those who are denigrating and demolishing Islam. For, indeed, it is the Sahaabah (RAma) who are the ones through whom the Deen has been passed down to us. So those people, who curse and insult them, in reality, are destroying Islam.

Therefore, how can there be any association or compromise between the Ahl-us-Sunnah and the Shiites whilst they Shiites curse and denigrate the three Khulafaa: Abu Bakr Siddeeq, Umar Faarooq and Uthman, (RAma) ?

If they had any sense, they would know and appreciate that they are in reality cursing the Holy Prophet (S.A.W) himself. Abu Bakr and Umar (RAma) were both fathers-in-law of the Prophet (S.A.W). Also, during the lifetime of the Prophet (S.A.W) both were his right hand men; and after his demise, it is they who had great worry feeling for the welfare of the Deen. Who else has ever been honoured with such a position and honour as was granted to these two? Again, it is these two who had always participated and had been with the Prophet (S.A.W) during all the Ghazaawaat (battles). These facts are enough to refute the Shiite beliefs.

As for Uthmaan (RA), he was the husband to two daughters of the Prophet (S.A.W). It is clear that Allah, the Exalted, does not choose for His Rasool (S.A.W) a son-in-law and companions except those who are the best.

If the Shiites are true to their claims, then could they explain why Rasoolullaah (S.A.W) did not forewarn the Ummah and clarify the alleged enmity of the Khulafaa ath-Thalaatha (ie Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthmaan (RAm) towards Islam?

Their insults and curses are not limited just to the Khulafaa ath-Thalaatha but are also directed towards Ali (RA). Because Ali (RA) himself, in Masjid Rabia, gave the oath of allegiance (bai'ah) to Abu Bakr (RA) and also gave his daughter, Umm Kulthum, (RA), in marriage to Umar (RA). He also willingly gave the oath of allegiance (bai'ah) to Uthmaan (RA). Not only this, but he was actually the right hand man and a well-wisher of the Khulafaa ath-Thalaatha. So could Ali (RA) have chosen a kaafir as a son-in-law for himself? And could Ali (RA) have given the oath of allegiance (bai'ah), as he did, to a kaafir? Subhaan Allaah! This indeed is a great accusation!

Furthermore, how do these Shiites curse and insult Umm ul Mu'mineen (mother of the Believers) A'isha (RAha) when Allah, the Exalted, Himself has mentioned her in the Qur'aan as the mother of the believers?

Allaah tabaarak wa ta'aalaa says:

"The Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their (believers) mothers (as regards respect and marriage)." (al-Ahzaab, verse 6)

There is no doubt whatsoever that only that person will curse and insult Umm al-Mu'mineen who does not consider her to be a mother. Because for one who does have a mother, does not curse and insult her, but loves her.

Hadith:

Abu Sa‘eed al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him) said: "The Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said: ‘Do not slander my Companions, for if one of you were to spend an amount of gold equivalent to the size of Mount Uhud, you would not even come halfway up to their level." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3379). So by slandering the Companions (Sahabah) you would be committing Kufr!

The Prophet said: "The best of my nation is my genaration, then those who follow them, and then those who follow them." Sahih Bukhari

So how can we insult someone who were more pious and who loved the Prophet (S.A.W) more than any other generation. All I say to the Shiites is fear Allah and stop these insulting lies about the wives of the Prophet (S.A.W) May Allah Guide the Shiites to the True Islam, and May Allah show us what the Shiites really are, Ameen.