MOGADISHU, Somalia – Somalis say Islamist insurgents have banned unrelated men and women from shaking hands, speaking or walking together.

Residents of the southern Somali town of Jowhar said Saturday that the al-Shabab insurgents threatened to whip, imprison or execute anyone found breaking the recent edicts.

Resident Hussein Ali says he will no longer greet women he knows for fear of punishment.

Student Hamdi Osman says gunmen are searching buses for improperly dressed women or women traveling alone. She says she was once beaten for wearing Somali traditional dress instead of the long, shapeless black robes favored by the fighters.

The insurgents have already banned women from working in public, leaving many families completely destitute.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110108/ap_on_re_af/af_somalia_handshake_ban

Sweetnecta:


[s]
deed in Islam is based on intention. If it is a good deed, the intention must be good and the way of executing it must be good also.[/s]

Just because these people are trying to avoid illegal sex in their community, does not mean they must use terrible process to execute their intention, lacking therefore the value of goodness to the fullest.

Somalia/somali hard line stand/view should not be taken as the view of Islam itself. That is what i am saying.

Sweetnecta:


While Eve is blamed by your Bible, .

I read the Bible, and I'm convinced that the essence of the Trinity, without any doubt is dubious and weak, very unbelievable in light of the fact that the Jews who are better than you in matter of spirituality reject exactly what I reject.

babaearly:

Pure nonsense, where did you read they are avoiding illegal sex?

Swallow your p i ss

babaearly:

I tire oh!

daylae:


@vadexcool: why did you defend a statement when you don't even understand it? Such solidarity is careless. Unless you people do away with the "we versus them" mentality,and put sentiments aside,at least,sometimes,you'll always want to meddle with reality,so as to show solidarity. Can you honestly equate the right of a woman in the UK, with the one in maybe, iran? Or women in the muslim north to christian south in nigeria? The fact is still as it is,even though its unlikely you'll agree.    

daylae:

Well, you and vadex are the two yoruba muslim from the south;and sure,that makes you both the majority,abi? What's the logic?

alimat 2:

At poster,

NO, islam does not hate Women but hav respect and regards for them.

daylae:

Vadexcool,you've said alot,but unfortunately,you made a nit. That i come here,trying to impress you with some pretentious comments is a fable. Am sure you've been able to prove me wrong before? And i know you're not a dullard i can feed with junks. But because you don't agree with something, doesn't mean its not genuine."Pseudo intelligent?" How witty!

daylae:

Your mate was trying to seperate muslims from what they practice,which is islam,and you vehemently raised your two hands up in surpport. Once again,that was a careless move. And stop trying to give your previous comments a face-lift.

daylae:

Women are mosly denied the right to
education,work, and earn a living--veda: work and earning a living aren't they the same thing? talk about propaganda Hiss---,even the right to own properties in most predominant muslim society. They are treated like slaves,and wraped-up like a mummy. So many more anormalies. And my comparison of women in mostly muslim populated society to the christian one was just for you to honestly see and evaluate the two scenarios.

daylae:

That you're saying lagos is mosly inhabited by muslims is ill-confronting. Was it your chief iman that organise the census? To open your mouth,saying such without caution,i find it amusing. To get this fact from the simplest angle,i suggest you start from your neighbourhood,even from your extended family to the larger society,then you can easily deduce your figures.

daylae:

Echoing the comments of alimat2 is sure not convincing. We both know that we have some chronic fanatics here,who disguise,using multiple ids so as to resound their deluded points to the ears of others. And,besides,what do you expect she'll say? That islam is enslaving her?

daylae:

Also,i guess you're trying to say that the reason women are being beaten,chased with guns,and stoned in somalia,was to deter them from dressing scandalously?

daylae:

You don't save a lost soul by beaten and chasing them with guns and stone. The only reason such a person will adhere is just for the fear of being killed. And such a soul is not saved afterall. You just encouraging hypocracy. Salvation is not by forcing people to do the right thing. The fact that you forced them doesn't make it valid. The only way they can be geniunely save from indecent dressing is by showing them excerpt from the quran,and telling them about the danger of indecency,not threatning them to adhere.

daylae:

If you violate someone's free-will,even for the purpose of  preventing them from sinful dealings,i  tell you,the person is not actually saved. Instead,he'll give in because of intimidation and jungle persecution.

daylae:

God gave us liberty to choose from being good or bad because he doesn't want us to do the right thing for the fear of punishment that follows;rather,because he want us to realise the right thing and choose to do it by choice,and not by force.  

daylae:

What is happening in somalia and other muslim states is as a result of sharia laws,which only beats the drums louder on islamic perspectives.  

vedaxcool:

or do you prefer "Quasi intelligent"?


a knuckle head like you shouldn't make such remark.

vedaxcool link=topic=581955.msg7507096#msg7507096 date=1294740552:

or do you prefer "Quasi intelligent"?

We are not palying chess, Now I ask because Prostituion is commmonly practiced in Christian area we can conclude Prostitution is sanctioned by Chtristianity? Like I said if you cannot comprehend simple statements then you should atleast logically ask what the person is saying. Like I said initially it would have been 'sensible' if the OP asked whether Islam supports what Al - Shabab are doing? but rather he coulded that due to the Al - shabab behavior Islam hates women, what a way to reason, with thinking like this, humanity would not need to use courts to prove any thing, we will esatblish guilty by association. I ask if you son was found doing something wrong such as being a rascist, then someone say his father is a racist and hates people of other race beacuse his son is rascist, what would be your response? anyone with common sense will first asked does his father support rascism? Did hios father teach him to hate people of other race? before concluding that his father is actually rascist. But we know when it comes to Islam there is no need to think properly any negative thought that comes out of your mind is automatically true. GOD Help you.amin.


i guess el shabab practice different type of islam thouh? maybe sharia are not part of the muslim doctrines again?

prostitution is not encouraged ammong christians,but we know for certain that killing and miaming people is not the way to make them do the right thing. two wrongs can never make a right.


Nonsense indeed, Islam before your pagan indoctrination called Christianity, was the first religion to give women the right to Inherit property of their husbands and even their parents, But you are not talking based on facts, Pseudo intelligence in display. Again unless you are sufferring from delusional fever, look around you and you will see that Muslim women are working either as traders,bankers, doctors, Nurses,Administrators etc but in other to belittle muslim woman you claim they are denied access to even earn a living, Now tell me who is sufferring from solidarity fever, are you just ranting because it is Islam invovled? Again I asked you all the evils your Christian women are doing such as prostituion, indecent dressing, Nudism, abortion etc is what? Part of Christianity, all the drunks' of Christianity that go oppressing their wives is what? part of Christianity. As for being treated like slaves that is another pathetic conjecture you follow as all the Muslim women I know have never for once claimed they are being treated like slaves, it is your christian women that have become slaves, due to their greed, as they are willing to sell anything to get material possessions. I do laugh at your usual incoherent replies that are filled with falsehood and deliberate distortions.

u need to visit the nearest mental assylum ASAP. who told you that indecency is synonymous to christians? i can see your autistic approarch is comforming again.


those muslims that u mention above are the fortunate one who live in the south. go to the north where islam is dominant,you'll know how watery your comment is.


Hiss! Slams door!


Prior to the arrival of Christianity, Muslims in Lagos were accustomed to attending Quranic schools where the subjects of learning were basically the Qur’an, its sciences and other branches of Islamic faith. With the arrival of Christianity on the late 19th centur . . .,

highly inconsequencial! meaning, please?

This divided the Lagos society via the Lagos central mosque because the Muslim constituted a majority of the Lagos population.
http://cefolassaocoed.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=78&Itemid=84&showall=1


do you really understand the basis of determining population figures?

what do you think is the cause of the uproar and bitterness among muslims,that constituted the ammount of hostilities against christian?







You are just suffering from delusions created by your deliberate attempt to stiffle the truth as who are you to claim that other people are disguising in multiple id's. You suffer from Mind slavery, that is why you defend senseless accusation, that is why you worship a man that says he is a servant.


at least,think with your black box you call a brain. you shouldn't deny the fact that we have some clueless fundermentalist here. hope u are not of them?

. . . he says she was once beaten for wearing Somali traditional dress instead of the long, shapeless black robes favored by the fighters.he says she was once beaten for wearing Somali traditional dress instead of the long, shapeless black robes favored by the fighters.

Dude that is what sweetnecta said from the ' Al shabab should be Judged by Islamic criteria . . . ' so you go tell them eh,

necta realised what he insinuated,and he decline to talk about it again;but a fool like you will always beat a broken drum the more.


same replie, but in addition should people be given the freedom to Abort, love-peddler, rob, loot, etc. You missed sense here a bit, as I am only against their use of unsenseible force/intimidation, as there is always a security check to prevent people from going foul of the law.


law? what law? did allah asked you to kill people dressing immorally?

leave the enforcement to secular government and its aencies;and not killing,amputating,and miaming them. what is expected of a religious organisation
is to teach people the right thing to impact their heat.


I thought original sin is responsible for your evils not free will. More importantly to make the society free of chaos people must be prevented from doing wrong instead of waiting for their goodwill. the presence of a police man prevents some people from doing stealing. But u love repeating yourself don't you?


you are the most confuse bone- head have ever seen. so, you guys commits these atrocities because of these excuse?


like i said earlier,leave the enforcement to the agencies.


salvation is not by killing,and amputating poeple to do the right thing. you are just as sinful as those suppossed sinners.

Only a fool will judge Islam by Al - Shabab actions, once more I have shown u to have no proof to your false assertion about Islam, rather you prefer maybe due to intellectual laziness, to continue repeating a statement hoping somehow or some way the repeated statement might become truths, but only dullard will accept a repitition as truth when there is no fact supporting it.Iran has one of the highest Dowry in the world and this is due to their cultural perspective on women, people like you fail to reliase that culture permeates religion and hence can easily lead to mis representation of the facts. The Most sensible thing to do is to Look at the religion itself and see whether the adherants are following it teachings. But maybe this is too much to ask of you.

well, maybe you are a dullard afterall. you talk about iran,go to iran and see how women are treated. you are stupidly excusing al shabab here. is it not the same sharia laws ammong muslims?


Again all the muslim women I know, have never claimed that Islam hates them, the burden of proof falls on

they'll come knocking at your door to tell you this. pay more attention to the body of the topic itself,and not the title that's killing you.

We are not palying chess, Now I ask because Prostituion is commmonly practiced in Christian area we can conclude Prostitution is sanctioned by Chtristianity? Like I said if you cannot comprehend simple statements then you should atleast logically ask what the person is saying. Like I said initially it would have been 'sensible' if the OP asked whether Islam supports what Al - Shabab are doing? but rather he coulded that due to the Al - shabab behavior Islam hates women, what a way to reason, with thinking like this, humanity would not need to use courts to prove any thing, we will esatblish guilty by association. I ask if you son was found doing something wrong such as being a rascist, then someone say his father is a racist and hates people of other race beacuse his son is rascist, what would be your response? anyone with common sense will first asked does his father support rascism? Did hios father teach him to hate people of other race? before concluding that his father is actually rascist. But we know when it comes to Islam there is no need to think properly any negative thought that comes out of your mind is automatically true. GOD Help you.amin.


Nonsense indeed, Islam before your pagan indoctrination called Christianity, was the first religion to give women the right to Inherit property of their husbands and even their parents, But you are not talking based on facts, Pseudo intelligence in display. Again unless you are sufferring from delusional fever, look around you and you will see that Muslim women are working either as traders,bankers, doctors, Nurses,Administrators etc but in other to belittle muslim woman you claim they are denied access to even earn a living, Now tell me who is sufferring from solidarity fever, are you just ranting because it is Islam invovled? Again I asked you all the evils your Christian women are doing such as prostituion, indecent dressing, Nudism, abortion etc is what? Part of Christianity, all the drunks' of Christianity that go oppressing their wives is what? part of Christianity. As for being treated like slaves that is another pathetic conjecture you follow as all the Muslim women I know have never for once claimed they are being treated like slaves, it is your christian women that have become slaves, due to their greed, as they are willing to sell anything to get material possessions. I do laugh at your usual incoherent replies that are filled with falsehood and deliberate distortions.



Hiss! Slams door!


Prior to the arrival of Christianity, Muslims in Lagos were accustomed to attending Quranic schools where the subjects of learning were basically the Qur’an, its sciences and other branches of Islamic faith. With the arrival of Christianity on the late 19th centur . . .,

This divided the Lagos society via the Lagos central mosque because the Muslim constituted a majority of the Lagos population.
http://cefolassaocoed.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=78&Itemid=84&showall=1












You are just suffering from delusions created by your deliberate attempt to stiffle the truth as who are you to claim that other people are disguising in multiple id's. You suffer from Mind slavery, that is why you defend senseless accusation, that is why you worship a man that says he is a servant.


. . . he says she was once beaten for wearing Somali traditional dress instead of the long, shapeless black robes favored by the fighters.he says she was once beaten for wearing Somali traditional dress instead of the long, shapeless black robes favored by the fighters.

Dude that is what sweetnecta said from the ' Al shabab should be Judged by Islamic criteria . . . ' so you go tell them eh,


same replie, but in addition should people be given the freedom to Abort, love-peddler, rob, loot, etc. You missed sense here a bit, as I am only against their use of unsenseible force/intimidation, as there is always a security check to prevent people from going foul of the law.


I thought original sin is responsible for your evils not free will. More importantly to make the society free of chaos people must be prevented from doing wrong instead of waiting for their goodwill. the presence of a police man prevents some people from doing stealing. But u love repeating yourself don't you?




Only a fool will judge Islam by Al - Shabab actions, once more I have shown u to have no proof to your false assertion about Islam, rather you prefer maybe due to intellectual laziness, to continue repeating a statement hoping somehow or some way the repeated statement might become truths, but only dullard will accept a repitition as truth when there is no fact supporting it.Iran has one of the highest Dowry in the world and this is due to their cultural perspective on women, people like you fail to reliase that culture permeates religion and hence can easily lead to mis representation of the facts. The Most sensible thing to do is to Look at the religion itself and see whether the adherants are following it teachings. But maybe this is too much to ask of you.

Again all the muslim women I know, have never claimed that Islam hates them, the burden of proof falls on

Women in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan faced treatment condemned by the international community.[119] Women were forced to wear the burqa in public,[120] not allowed to work,[121] not allowed to be educated after the age of eight,[122] and faced public flogging and execution for violations of the Taliban's laws