foxxi4real: Stop letting people fool you all with their fake stories. The only people who are Yorubas are the Oyos, the Ibadan, Igbominas and the Ijeshas and their sub groups. The rest should strive to trace their real origin and stop pinning their destiny on one Oduduwa who himself was a latecomer to the land itself.

Oduduwa on his arrival about 500 years ago met a thriving organized community. South Westerners should stop falling for this Oduduwa blackmail. You are not from oduduwa. The Ijebus are Itsekiris etc etc. We shouldn't let all those Oyo and Ife people put us as subordinates to them. They are the Yorubas - not us

Obalufon:

Are you okay foxxi4real?.you are probably not Yoruba ..You should be happy Yoruba blood runs in you, but i doubt if you are from southwest Yoruba region ,'with your slur.well if you choose to be beast of the jungle you can exempt yourself we don't need your kind

foxxi4real:
Obalufun, you can believe whatever you want to believe, you can help to twist history however you want, but one days when your children, my children and our children's children would have grown up, they would be busy rewriting our history the right and truthful way.

Has anyone ever wondered why almost (if not all) Yoruba Kings claim to come from Oduduwa? Wouldn't that be a scientific fallacy? considering the fact that even some of these town and villages had serious inter-tribal wars going, even during the time of Oduduwa himself.

A true Lagos (Eko) indigene for example, knows his ancestors came from Benin, (you can look that up also in your history book as I don't have all the time to teach you all that). Bini kingdom predates Oduduwa as you may also know. So why would a true son of Eko call himself omo Oduduwa? Is he helping himself or wrecking himself. The Ijebus are closely related more to Itsekiris than to the Oduduwa Yorubas.

Please if there is any contrary belief, please let me know intelligently and not just your childish ways of approaching things. This is an intellectual discussion and not one of stupidity and empirical beliefs.

foxxi4real: People, Omoyele Sowore is an Ijaw man. take it like that.

Let me tell you a bit about the Apoi people. Many centuries ago, the migrated from a place in Bayelsa state and finally settled in Toru-Abukuba ( now Sabomi - sound Ijawish I guess) in Ese-Odo LGA in Ondo State. The Royal family later moved to Oboro and founded other towns including Igbekebo, Kiribo (Sowore's town), Oju Ala, Igbotu, Igbobini, Inikorogha (sounds Ijawish too I guess) and others.
They settled close to the Ilajes, Ikales and the Ijebus who were Yoruba speaking, because of their lost stay together, they intermarried heavily and slowly they began to lost their original Ijaw language. Presently, the Apoi speak Yoruba (the Ikale dialect), they NO MORE speak Ijaw. Just before lately, they title of their king was even 'Oba" until recently when they returned their original "Kalasuwe" (Kalasuo or Kalasue) title.

Consequently, Sowore is an Apoi (of Ijaw ancestry). If you call him a Yoruba man fine (from his names), if you call him an Ijaw man, fine (from his roots).

I am an Apoi (from Oboro) too, a blue-blood one for that matter, so I know what I am talking.

In conclusion, considering that the Yorubas claimed to have migrated from Mecca (Makkah), can we still refer to them as Makkans? Can we also refer to the Lagosians as Edos? (since they actually came from Benin). On this premise, I will like to conclude that the Apoi people can be seen as "Apoi" people. Because of the language they speak and their geographical location, if they are called Yorubas, there shouldn't be any problem. But definitely they are NOT Igbo or Hausa.

foxxi4real:
Obalufun, you can believe whatever you want to believe, you can help to twist history however you want, but one days when your children, my children and our children's children would have grown up, they would be busy rewriting our history the right and truthful way.

Has anyone ever wondered why almost (if not all) Yoruba Kings claim to come from Oduduwa? Wouldn't that be a scientific fallacy? considering the fact that even some of these town and villages had serious inter-tribal wars going, even during the time of Oduduwa himself.

A true Lagos (Eko) indigene for example, knows his ancestors came from Benin, (you can look that up also in your history book as I don't have all the time to teach you all that). Bini kingdom predates Oduduwa as you may also know. So why would a true son of Eko call himself omo Oduduwa? Is he helping himself or wrecking himself. The Ijebus are closely related more to Itsekiris than to the Oduduwa Yorubas.

Please if there is any contrary belief, please let me know intelligently and not just your childish ways of approaching things. This is an intellectual discussion and not one of stupidity and empirical beliefs.

Obalufon:

Are you Yoruba? if you don't know what race you belong to ,'you need to go for DNA test, I'm sure you will be told where your DNA marker fall to in Africa , if you know are Yoruba and you are thinking this way,i guess you need to read more of history and purge your mind off self hatred ,Yoruba race is one the unique race of people in Africa.

There's a lot of myth about Oduduwa and yoruba history likewise every other history in the world , even the bible is full of myth but no one dare see logic to it or disbelieve it .

foxxi4real: Obalufon is probably one of the slaves that were taken by the Alimi (fulanis), so he doesn't know where he is from but just trying to apply an unapplyable empirical formula to pin himself as Yoruba. He most probably is from Yobe or Zungeru

foxxi4real: Obalufon is probably one of the slaves that were taken by the Alimi (fulanis), so he doesn't know where he is from but just trying to apply an unapplyable empirical formula to pin himself as Yoruba. He most probably is from Yobe or Zungeru

Obalufon:

You are out of your mind foxxi4real, You are not Yoruba so there is nothing to tell you, I'm legitimate Yoruba from ile- ife , Yoruba is a name given to people of Oyo empire in the 14-15 century By Malian scholar ,"the greatest African academician Ahmed Baba of Timbuktu" is even a known fact that some Yoruba scholars were teaching in sankore university in Timbuktu as far back as 14 century . Oyo empire was created by Oranmiyan "Ajagun Elenpe" A great warrior from ile-ife, he also established the oba dynasty in Benin . Have you ever read in history where Benin kingdom engaged in war with the Oyos Benin was ruling Lagos which is predominately Yoruba speaking region rather contesting it with benin, oyo empire rather move to near by port of Badagry, from the far North control Badary ,dahomey to Togo and left out other part of yoruba speaking region to Benin kingdom Ondo and ekiti because Benin dynasty and Yoruba came from one source ..

Oyo empire extended to present day Togo, controlled the River Niger to upper Volta river, ebbed the advances of the Ashanti empire and Akan ally "Battle of atakpame'" and took control of the upper Volta river .

Oduduwa symbolizes so many things first the creator of the world , he who brings enlightenment, telling you a story will only complicate issue here . Odudua is just a symbol of new Era new dimension after the great flood to the people of ILE-IFE. Oduduwa "ate wo ro'..He who came from heaven to earth . there is a place in ile-ife enshrined to Oduduwa called gate way to heaven ,a place where they believe oduduwa landed from heaven through a chain .

No yoroboid classified speaking region in Nigerian without oduduwa influence in their culture tradition .., Igala,, itsekiri, edo, even nupe, they all have a story to tell about this Man god , is hard to unravel the myth surrounding oduduwa.

DNA can tell you where your ethnicity belongs to ,So no need for argument , Yoruba know themselves, though some Yoruba might be purer in blood than the other due to intermarriage and expansion. Fulani never conquered Yoruba they just managed to take ilorin through afonja Oyo northern General who took advantage of state of deterioration of the empire strength in the south of the empire to secede for power ,Ilorin chose their fate to follow islam is Yoruba converted Muslims fighting Yoruba with help pf the Fulanis and Nupes

foxxi4real: Obalufon, I wish to educate you a bit today as I see you are not so versed when it comes to critical thinking

Eko (Lagos)
Eko is an Edo word which means "War Camp". During their several expansion efforts when the Benin empire was at its peak of dominance and spread, some warriors settled at the present location of Lagos Island where they strategize (from where they waged war on Mahin towns (Mahin are the same Ilajes that brought up this argument). The Awori's (as you have opined) were the original settlers, and they have been occupying the land before the Bini people came.

Obalufon, have you ever visited Iga Idungaran in your life? Have you even seen a Lagos high chief in his full regalia? They tie heavy white wrappers up to their upper waist just like the Bini chiefs.(there is even a thread to that on this same Nairaland https://www.nairaland.com/654079/eko-ile-lagos-benin-town). So if you still want to learn, the Eko people (at least its royalties, are direct descendants from Benin) Even some eko words have Benin origin, Idungaran, Eletu Odibo, Ashipa etc are all Edo words corrupted. The Aworis, the Isheri Olofins were aborigines. Get that!

Oduduwa and Yoruba Origin
Like I mentioned before, Oduduwa came to Ile Ife most probably from Benin Kingdom (even the Edo oral tradition states this) When he got to Ile Ife, did he meet a barren, empty land? Did he not meet people already settling there? When he became the first Ooni of Ife, did he rule over insects and rats and grasses? or did he give birth to everybody in Ile Ife then?
When his grandson Oranyan (who he sent) became the first Alaafin of Oyo, did he meet an empty land in Oyo? were there not people living there? or did he give birth to all his subjects? Did he (Oranyan) not send his own children to rule over distant lands? Did his children rule over goats and rats and chickens? or did they give birth to everybody they ruled over? I think you have to think deeply and stop all these political ancestry story that did not start in Nigeria until the late 19th and early 20th century when the British arrived. Before the arrival of the British to Nigeria, everyone knew truthfully where they were from and who they were. Not until politics kicked in (because of the selfish aims of the rulers then) that they all started claiming they are all from Oduduwa. Very soon even the Babagry and the Egun people will start claiming they are from Oduduwa.

I have never seen any British man claim he is from King George or King Henry, and I have never seen any Scotish claim he is from William Wallace or whoever or an Italian man claim he is from Napoleon or an American claim he is from George Washington. They all are truthful and sensible and not gullible like us.

And you can argue over this also: His name is Olofin Adimula and his title is Oduduwa. (his name is not Oduduwa!!!)

Finally again, not every tribe in Yoruba land is from Olofin Adimula, the Oduduwa of Ile Ife.

Those who can claim lineage are the people who are descendants of Yoruba kings; and not all Yoruba kings for that matter.

Even the word Yoruba is a name that was given to the people by the Hausas as it was a derogatory word.

Note: It was only the advent of the British that brought about this notion of Yoruba, Hausa or Igbo. Those did not exist before now.



I hope I have been able to put some reasoning in your head. Learn! Learn!! Learn!!!

foxxi4real: Obalufon, I wish to educate you a bit today as I see you are not so versed when it comes to critical thinking

Eko (Lagos)
Eko is an Edo word which means "War Camp". During their several expansion efforts when the Benin empire was at its peak of dominance and spread, some warriors settled at the present location of Lagos Island where they strategize (from where they waged war on Mahin towns (Mahin are the same Ilajes that brought up this argument). The Awori's (as you have opined) were the original settlers, and they have been occupying the land before the Bini people came.

Obalufon, have you ever visited Iga Idungaran in your life? Have you even seen a Lagos high chief in his full regalia? They tie heavy white wrappers up to their upper waist just like the Bini chiefs.(there is even a thread to that on this same Nairaland https://www.nairaland.com/654079/eko-ile-lagos-benin-town). So if you still want to learn, the Eko people (at least its royalties, are direct descendants from Benin) Even some eko words have Benin origin, Idungaran, Eletu Odibo, Ashipa etc are all Edo words corrupted. The Aworis, the Isheri Olofins were aborigines. Get that!

Oduduwa and Yoruba Origin
Like I mentioned before, Oduduwa came to Ile Ife most probably from Benin Kingdom (even the Edo oral tradition states this) When he got to Ile Ife, did he meet a barren, empty land? Did he not meet people already settling there? When he became the first Ooni of Ife, did he rule over insects and rats and grasses? or did he give birth to everybody in Ile Ife then?
When his grandson Oranyan (who he sent) became the first Alaafin of Oyo, did he meet an empty land in Oyo? were there not people living there? or did he give birth to all his subjects? Did he (Oranyan) not send his own children to rule over distant lands? Did his children rule over goats and rats and chickens? or did they give birth to everybody they ruled over? I think you have to think deeply and stop all these political ancestry story that did not start in Nigeria until the late 19th and early 20th century when the British arrived. Before the arrival of the British to Nigeria, everyone knew truthfully where they were from and who they were. Not until politics kicked in (because of the selfish aims of the rulers then) that they all started claiming they are all from Oduduwa. Very soon even the Babagry and the Egun people will start claiming they are from Oduduwa.

I have never seen any British man claim he is from King George or King Henry, and I have never seen any Scotish claim he is from William Wallace or whoever or an Italian man claim he is from Napoleon or an American claim he is from George Washington. They all are truthful and sensible and not gullible like us.

And you can argue over this also: His name is Olofin Adimula and his title is Oduduwa. (his name is not Oduduwa!!!)

Finally again, not every tribe in Yoruba land is from Olofin Adimula, the Oduduwa of Ile Ife.

Those who can claim lineage are the people who are descendants of Yoruba kings; and not all Yoruba kings for that matter.

Even the word Yoruba is a name that was given to the people by the Hausas as it was a derogatory word.

Note: It was only the advent of the British that brought about this notion of Yoruba, Hausa or Igbo. Those did not exist before now.

I hope I have been able to put some reasoning in your head. Learn! Learn!! Learn!!!

foxxi4real: I am proud I speak Yoruba, I am proud I live in Yoruba land and I am proud I am Yoruba. Yorubas are intelligent people, civilized people, beautiful people and exposed people, that's the reason why everyone wants to identify with them.

foxxi4real: Obalufon, you need to get a little more knowledge. From the language of your writing, I can predict you are in your mid/late twenties. Try to educate yourself more, do research and do a thorough soul searching before you take a stance. The world is too advanced for hearsay, find out for yourself.

There is nowhere in this thread I have said the Ilaje's are not Yorubas. But I wished you ask an Ilaje High Chief about the origin of the Ilaje's; you will be surprised.

olumidaie: it seems u are out of ur mind. Come to Mahin here in Ilaje local govt and tell us that we aren't Yorubas and see if u wouldn't be burnt.

Aside me, there are other Ilajes and Ikales here on this site like Ilaje94 of something.

Proudly Mahin;
proudly Ilaje;
proudly Ondo state;
proudly YORUBA;
PROUDLY OODUA!!!!!!!!!

Ire ooh!!

foxxi4real:
No need to bring about the foul language. It has been settled. You are YORUBA, please let me be in peace. Thank you for your (anticipated) cooperation

macof: See beautiful thread that needs resurrection