Shortly, description of creation goes like this:

25:54 "It is He Who has created man (/mankind) from WATER..."

Humans were created from water, and life emerged from water, when evolution began. It does not matter if that water was in early seas, meteors in space or in other planets.

Logically it is how animals were created by evolution too, mentioned in earlier Sura.

24:45 "Allah has created every animal from WATER..."

But this is all that is mentioned about creation of animals. Reason is here below, in larger scale of evolution of different species, many of those have not much common but origin in water.

This can be understood in this: Humans are mentioned to have origins in water, but also (in case of Adam/Hawwa, first humans, according to DNA-testing "original mother" of all people living now lived about 160 000-200 000 years ago) in food, as one element of creation is ground, meaning food we get from ground of earth. From that food we grow all of our cells in our body, as do also animals we eat. And from that we produce our sperm, that has been mentioned as a third element of creation of Adam (6:133 "...He raised you up from the posterity of other people". Connection between food and sperm Adam was created is mentioned here, mentioning (through first humans origin of all humans in) stomach as a source of sperm:

86:6-7 "He is created from a drop emitted- Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs."

6:133 "Thy Lord is self-sufficient, full of Mercy: if it were His will, He could destroy you, and in your place appoint whom He will as your successors, even as He raised you up from the posterity of other people."
17:99 "See they not that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth, is able to create the like of them. And He has decreed for them an appointed term, whereof there is no doubt. But the unjust refuse but disbelief."
14:19 "..If He so will, He can remove you and put (in your place) a new creation!

So there is animals that do not have offspring by sperm, but all animals fits inside "(creation from) water". But even though humans would not have offspring by sperm in future (cloning etc.), body of Adam (not soul) was created from sperm (manufactured and "shaped" from "ground" through food) as it is not denied in Qur´an neither, so making sperm to have its part in creation of whole mankind. But that person could be not only Adam (Adam is not mentioned there), but earlier human-like relative from who’s sperm (BODY OF) Adam and/or Hawwa were created (“Eve” WAS NOT according to Quran created from ribs of Adam). There actually is femine-form in arabics, so who was first? Are we from offspring of Adam/Hawwa or (ALSO) from their “father/mother”? Did they have one common parent from earlier human-like (also?)?

38:72 says that when Allah created Adam He “breathed” His spirit into him, according to 2:34 immediate command (in 38:72) to bow down after that “breathing” happened only after Adam was told name of things, so maybe his spirit was created before it came to earth into human body, explaining how according to Bible Jesus said he was before Abraham was on Earth.

37:11 "Just ask their opinion: are they the more difficult to create, or the (other) beings We have created? Them have We created out of a sticky clay!"

This ayat shows that we really are basically normal animals, we even share 98% of our genes with chimpanzees. So if simps were easy to create, so are we.

To finish it all, Qur´an gives "biggest possible scale" in creation, as "Jinns" (other than humans/animals in earth created BEFORE humans, descriptions fit into advanced civilisation that are mentioned to be able to fly or be invisible/in human-form):

55:15-16 "And He created jinns from fire free of smoke: Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?"

From stars all planets and matter have formed, and with all propability there is older life and civilisations than on this planet. And after us in this planet can be something totally different:

4:133 "If it were His will, He could destroy you, o mankind, and create another race; for He hath power this to do."

42:29 "And among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the living creatures He has scattered through them: And He has power to gather them (heavens & earth / creatures) together when He wills."

55:33 "O ye assembly of jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! Not without authority (/permission) shall ye be able to pass!"

21:30 "Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were one (joined together as one united piece / as one unit of creation), before We clove them asunder (/then We parted them)? We made from water every living thing, will they not even then believe?"

This passage not only just describe "Big Bang" (common origin of earth and heaven) and beginning of evolution from water (on Earth at least, as it is mentioned in passage mentioned for "unbelivers" in Earth), but also gives opportunity for interpretation that continents were together and then separated from each other.

51:47 "With power did We construct the heaven. Verily, we are able to extend the vastness of space thereof."

Universe is still expanding, but there is not denied that it could collapse some day.

80:26 "And We split the earth in fragments (/cleaving it asunder/clefts),"

This told us that earth has been once as one continent, but has been divided with continental plates as in many parts. It is described in next parts:

13:3 "...spread out the earth (/expand the earth, "madda al-ard"..."
15:19 "...the earth we have spread out (like a carpet, "maddadnaha"= "We expanded" or "We spread out"-"madda", which means "to stretch" or to "to expand" or "to spread out".)..."
20:53 "...like a carpet spread out (="mahda" literally means a flat road, or a road that is easy to walk on. It is similar to our highways today. They are easy to drive on.)..."
88:17-20 "....stretched the earth ("sutihat", stretched)..."

Continents have been "stretched" as dry paint is stretched in surface of air-balloon getting bigger. Surface of Earth is stretching from places between continental plates, when new material is produced by movement of plates further each others.

79:30-31 "And the earth, moreover, hath He formed in round shape (/egg shape, "dahaha", round LIKE the ostrich's egg with flat sand around covering the egg from predators). He draweth out there from its water ("ma-aha" and its pasture."

21:33 "It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon: all (celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course (/each in an orbit floating)."
55:5 "The sun and the moon run on their fixed courses (exactly) calculated with measured out stages for each (for reckoning).

As we now know, sun goes around centre of our galaxy. Koran uses (for example 36:40) words "swim" and "floating", that sounds familiar with theory of space and time, how gravity affects in it by making a "hole" size of mass of celestial object (f.ex. sun), and how this "hole" in space-time field makes other bodies orbiting it to stay on their courses (bigger mass=bigger hole= more further away others have to be on "lower steps", so that too deep downhill in gravity will not swallow it, if too close). Eventually their course can lead into star or black hole. When in Europe they "knew" that sun is orbiting around earth, this description could have been accepted even through their "science", but it says all with very little even now.

Both earth and heavens had their own six periods ("days" could be false translation) of creation, here is phases for creation of the heavens (in parts below explaining how you can notice this difference in Koran, point is that there is no dots in Arabic Koran, and we can not know where there should be, it can be only way to explain “eight” days in 41:9-12).

This was one possible meaning for these six "days"/"periods of time" in creation of universe:

1."Big Bang", 2.Hydro- and helium-atoms core/centre forming couple of minutes after it , 3. 300 000 years from Big Bang Hydro- and helium-atoms formed completely and background radiation is formed, 4. First stars and galaxies are formed, building blocks for universe from stars exploding, 5. Our Milky Way-galaxy is born, and so building blocks for our sun system, 6. Our sun system is born and our planet is "brought together" from meteors finally.

Here is spoken about creation of earth in six "days", later about (earlier but late) creation of heavens:

41:9-10 "Say (Mohammed): Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds. He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance)."

He gave us blessing even this point, continental-plates and with them beginning of evolution on mountains, although even before that there were higher formations on earth. At that early stage mountains may have not be yet so "high above ground" as now, but as soon as those started to develop it was beginning of it, leading into it, and still more higher than other parts of earth. So " set high above" may be later time than this two "days"/periods from creation of earth (maybe it has been last four days or all six, still going on), because when Allah will "set" something to happen, it is, has been and will be, Allah has known always He will do it (and that is answer for those "who ask".

Above here is spoken about six different "day" of creation (of earth) than in these two "days" below.
So here is about creation of heavens (in these verses about our galaxy and sun-system, happening partly same time with formation of earth, “moreover”):

41:11-12
"Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) SMOKE (/hot gas, "Dukhaan": He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye TOGETHER, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience." So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge."

These two "days" (periods) above are different from ayats 9-10, obviously last two "days" in ayat 11. ("smoke"= 5.formation of our milky way-galaxy, "come ye together"= 6.birth of our sun system from our galaxy). "To it and to earth" may also mean both separately or both coming together, or then both, as in heavens/earth (in pieces of meteors) forming from gas "smoke", an then in meteor-bombing of earth. As we know, star fogs forming galaxies especially in the early stages of universe (more recently our own galaxy and its star-system of sun, which both "sky" could be here) have been plenty of looking like smoke filling the space before higher amount of stars and planets, and look like smoke even now (in more younger systems). "Dukhaan" (in Arabic) in Koran means smoke/HOT gas. These "circles of clouds" formed for example planets, so "sky" did come "together" WITH ITSELF. Matter of Earth has been born from stardust before our star developed, and so it is originated from explosions of earlier stars and their "smoke/gas", also more harder rocks and dust were brought "together" to form the earth, formed from gas ("smoke" coming together. Moon of earth were born from collision of Earth and planet size of Mars, so "sky" (our galaxy and star-system) and Earth BOTH coming together most likely means that (and bombardment of asteroids). If Bedouin back then realized that earth and sky have same origin, it is BIG miracle itself. Later Earth came "together" ALSO WITH ITSELF when it cooled down and were divided into different layers, and when continents formed super-continents.

lmao

My father wonce told me people will believe anything they want to believe. How right he is.

@ poster
What's your point?
That you can make Islam fit modern science with sufficient textual massaging and far fetched interpretations?
It's not because Islam can be made consistent with modern science, that science is anywhere contingent upon Islam. Islam is an entirely unnecessary entity in the scientific enterprise and, applying Occam's razor, we can just get rid of it as explanatory entity altogether.

@nferyn


I think you are an atheist? If you are, no problem, I respect your believe.

Hold your breath, when the time comes, you will debunk all the quranic verses and explanation regarding scientific miracles in Islam and the bible. We will soon get there in one of the threads opened.

Stay cool.

38:72 says that when Allah created Adam He “breathed” His spirit into him, according to 2:34 immediate command (in 38:72) to bow down after that “breathing” happened only after Adam was told name of things, so maybe his spirit was created before it came to earth into human body, explaining how according to Bible Jesus said he was before Abraham was on Earth.

21:30 "Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were one (joined together as one united piece / as one unit of creation), before We clove them asunder (/then We parted them)? We made from water every living thing, will they not even then believe?"
This passage not only just describe "Big Bang" (common origin of earth and heaven) and beginning of evolution from water (on Earth at least, as it is mentioned in passage mentioned for "unbelivers" in Earth), but also gives opportunity for interpretation that continents were together and then separated from each other.

,,,"hold your bearth, when the time comes",,,,,!!!. When will you stop this cowardly attitude. If you have something to say, say it or keep quiet with your 'I am coming back' posturing ofsomebody who has nothing to do or say.

@udaiyah,
I copied some portions of your 'thesis' above, and I will like to declare to you that, trying to fit Islam into a scientific model so as so advance it's course or acceptability is an exercise in vanity. A casual look at the 2 portions quoted above is enough to convince anybody of a desperate attempt to make sense of the insensible. While the big-bang is now increasingly becoming doubtful even among leading atheist scientists, you are trying desperately to fit Islam into the model. What happened to the men created from "mud" by the allahs, or from congealed blood, or from water, or from sperm. Which one sef.
I am not surprised that babs787 is co-championing your course here; apart from the fact that you both belong to the 'commonwealth of Islam' which will prevent any objective reasoning, going by his previous performance, there is no need to 'wait' for him.

@ babs787
I've seen you've always behaved with civility on these thread, so I appreciate your advice. If ever you want met to participate in one of your threads, just give me a yell

@nferyn

Thanks once again.

You have my word.


@batu

Why cant you behave in a mature way. Enough of these senseless posts of yours. You can never post any rejoinder without behaving like a slowpoke. Which of your questions or threads have i evaded. When i contribute, you will say babs is appearing in every threads and if I didnt, you will still be the one saying I am avoiding you. Which one should I do?

,,hum,
blabs, the real slowpoke is anybody trying to look for scientific correlates in any book of religion or book of faith.
Science is a product of human logic, faith operates outside the boudaries of human logic or comprehension,,,,,well, Islam is a product of human (or specifically Muhammed's) logic. Thus looking for scientific correlates in the Quran is doing a disavantage to your course, but probably indirectly speaking the truth that Islam is just works or rather contraption of human mind.
We are waiting,,,,,,,

Lol

If it's not this one, it's Human Embryology.

udaiyah:

Shortly, description of creation goes like this:

25:54 "It is He Who has created man (/mankind) from WATER, "

Humans were created from water, and life emerged from water, when evolution began. It does not matter if that water was in early seas, meteors in space or in other planets.

Logically it is how animals were created by evolution too, mentioned in earlier Sura.

24:45 "Allah has created every animal from WATER, "

But this is all that is mentioned about creation of animals. Reason is here below, in larger scale of evolution of different species, many of those have not much common but origin in water.

This can be understood in this: Humans are mentioned to have origins in water, but also (in case of Adam/Hawwa, first humans, according to DNA-testing "original mother" of all people living now lived about 160 000-200 000 years ago) in food, as one element of creation is ground, meaning food we get from ground of earth. From that food we grow all of our cells in our body, as do also animals we eat. And from that we produce our sperm, that has been mentioned as a third element of creation of Adam (6:133 ", He raised you up from the posterity of other people". Connection between food and sperm Adam was created is mentioned here, mentioning (through first humans origin of all humans in) stomach as a source of sperm:

To borrow from nferyn, this is nothing but textual massaging and stretching the quran to fit rational thought.

First allah claimed man was created from dust, bloodclot, nothing and now water! indeed allah is all-knowing.

@poster,ribs
86:6-7 "He is created from a drop emitted- Proceeding from between the backbone and the rib. I CAN'T LAUGH OH OH OH OH SOME PEOPLE MADE THEMSELVES ZOMBIE , LOOK AT THAT VERSE IS TELLING US THAT SPERM COME FROM YOUR" BACKBONE AND RIB".FUNNY I NO FIT LAUGH AGAIN AND AGAIN WHO POSTED THAT DID GO TO SCHOOL AT ALL IF NOT IS A BAFOON , SECONDLY IF TRUE THE FIRST MAN WAS CREATED FROM MUD ACCORDING TO KORAN I MEAN THE FIRST MAN THEN WHAT BRINGS ABOUT THE CREATING OF MAN FROM WATER SO IS NOT FROM MUD ANYMORE, OKAY WE THAT ARE DESCENDANT OF ADAM ARE FORMED FROM CLOT OF CONGEAL BLOOD AFTER FROM THE DROP OF EMITTED -PROCEEDING FROM THE BACKBONE AND RIB ALL THESE FROM KORAN . EVEN THE FORMATION OF MAN FROM CLOT OF CONGEAL BLOOD IS WRONG THANKS TO EMBRYOLOGY. AND IF YOU ARE NOT SCIENTIST PLEASE TRY TO GO AND REPRODUCTION IN BIOLOGY MAY BE THAT MAY HELP YOU OF IGNORANCE HOW THE SPERM IS BEING FORMED IN THE BODY.ALLAH IS DAFT IT DID NOT EVEN KNOW HUMAN PHYSIOLOGY . SHAME