cap28:

eddy i tried posting this yesterday but f[b]or some strange reason it was deleted[/b], any way here goes:

RSA:

@Eddy1977

First let me say I find your version of what happened in Rwanda,Uganda and Congo fascinating.Are you saying Kagame,started the 94 genocide after killing a legitimate Hutu President?
I thought Kagame was a goodie.I know that my country South Africa played a big role in putting Joseph Kabila in the seat of presidency in DRC.I hope we wont live to regret this.Josep sound like bad man,who was out to revenge his real father's death,and now he is the President of the richest country in Africa.

I also read this piece and made me think

http://www.aparecordc.org/forum/galerie/documents/11741265912128.pdf

eddy1977:

Laurent kabila was a young disciple of patrice lumumba the man who gave his life for the independance of the congo.
when mobutu killed lumumba in 1961 with the help of the usa and belgium (lumumba was dipped in acid), kabila started a 30 year old rebellion to avenge lumumba. kabila had the support of china and cuba ( che guevarra), but because mobutu was heavily armed by the wedt, kabila was unsuccesful.

the kabila rebellion was in the kivu province (east).
there,he made friends with the tutsis who wanted to oust the hutus's regime in rwanda,burundi and uganda.

one of kabila's ally was christophe kanambe, a tutsi from rwanda and the biological father of the current president of the congo (joseph kabila).

christophe kanambe had troubles with kabila and decided to partner with mobutu and kill kabila.but kabila was very smart and found out the plot,and killed christophe kanambe. he also took kanambe's wife  ( mrs sifa mahanya) and her three kids: hyppolite ( now know as joseph kabila), jaynet and zoe.all three being biological children of late christophe kanambe.

its amazing that until this day,president joseph kabila's legal signature reads: hyppolite kanambe.

in 1994 when president juvenal habyarimana of rwanda was killed by the troops of general paul kagame with the help of the ugandan dictator/president yoweri kaguta museveni,the tustis finaly realised the century long dream of ruling rwanda.but the hutus wanted to avenge the death of their brother and president juvenal habyarimana.this how for 100 days,the world witnessed the genocide of tutsis.

when paul kagame was able to defeat the hutus, they fled to our country.the congo.

i remember how these hutus invaded our country with their guns,money,vehicles etc,

kagame wanted to pursue the hutus inside the congo,but he couldnt because of mobutu. so,he had to find one of mobutu's ennemy to do the job.

who was the man ?  laurent kabila.

kabila and kagame were introduced by yoweri museveni.

the mistake kabila made will cost us dearly. kabila kicked mobutu out.but not mobutu alone.his army and their troops fled the congo as well. now kabila became president without our own army.his army was made of rwandan and ugandan troops.

when kabila decided to send the rwandan army back to rwanda,they refused to leave the country.

paul kagame had to kill kabila. so he knew that joseph kabila the adopted son of laurent kabila was the man for the job.

remember,laurent kabila had killed joseph's dad years ago.

who killed kabila senior? the friends of joseph kabila.

after the death of laurent kabila,there was an assassination case opened.but a month after that,the judges who were suppposed to try the suspects were fired by joseph kabila and within a few weeks they dissappeared. we then heard that there was a breaking at the makala prison and that the two suspects who were kept for the assassination of laurent kabila had escaped.

its messed up. we just pray that by november, mr etienne tahisekedi will defeat joseph kabila

eddy1977:

yes, its very appalling to witness what the west with the complicity of their two puppets,kagame and museveni  are doing to the hinoncent people of the congo.

laurent kabila was a wonderful man who was assassinated because he refused to sell his country to the west.

rwanda has been governing the congo since 1997.

when laurent kabila came to power, who were his ministers? all the rwandan politicians like, deo bugera,bizima karah,james kaberebe and the list is long.
today these same guys who were respectively vice president,foreign affairs minister and major general of the congolese army are all ministers in rwanda.

joseph kabila is just a toy boy of paul kagame. i have a feeling that he will win the next elections.

if you do some researches on general laurent nkunda batware,you will cry.this guy started a bloody rebellion that claimed millions of lives in eastern congo.his associate and accomplice in this was bosco ntanganda.
laurent nkunda now lives as a free man in rwanda.joseph kabila has made bosco ntanganda one of the top generals of the congolese army.


what kills me is the silence of the entire world.

MyJoe:

The US and Belgium have played a big role in Congo's crises throughout the years, but nowadays their roles are much reduced or non-existent. The problem with most conspiracy theorists is they don't realise the Cold War is over (or they don't know what that means) and the US and co have pretty much left the third world countries to stew in their juices.

Dozens of multinationals including Barclays Bank, De Beers and Anglo American have been accused of facilitating the plunder of the Democratic Republic of Congo's wealth in a scathing UN report published yesterday.
An independent panel of experts reported to the UN security council that 85 multinational companies based in Europe, the US and South Africa had violated ethical guidelines in dealing with criminal networks which have pillaged natural resources from the war-torn central African country.

According to the panel, a scramble for gold, diamonds, cobalt and copper by army officers, government officials and entrepreneurs from Congo and neighbouring African countries had generated billions of dollars which found its way to mining companies and financial institutions

There is no reason to believe that the US is ordering Kagame to order Joseph Kabila around. None. The "silence of the entire world" that you speak of is real. Nobody is interested in the Congo's problems, including those who played significant roles in messing up the country like the USA and Belgium. I think the biggest problem of the Congo today is Joseph Kabila's incompetence, aptly described by Kagame as "weak leadership".

One of the United States’ main allies in Black Africa recently declared himself the winner of a farcical presidential election with 93 percent of the vote. But there will be no outcry from Hillary Clinton’s State Department or Barack Obama’s White House, or even much of a fuss from the New York Times, because President Paul Kagame, of Rwanda, serves U.S. interests. You will never hear western governments and media call Kagame by his true name: a dictator and warlord from the minority Tutsi tribe that holds sway over the majority Hutu population through a reign of terror. Instead, western capitalists shower his regime with money and high praise as an example of how Africa should be governed.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20622

Paul Kagame and his mentor and fellow warlord in neighboring Uganda, President Woseri Museveni, were given the green light by the West to kill and steal at will in Central Africa. They are the two main architects of the genocide in the eastern Congo, where some estimate six million people have died since Rwanda and Uganda invaded the region, in the mid-Nineties. The soldiers of these two U.S. henchmen are still there, in the Democratic Republic of Congo, looting precious minerals for sale to multinational corporations under cover of tribal warfare – wars created and nurtured by Kagame and Museveni, themselves, for the sake of power and profit and the favor of the United States and Europe. Kagame and Museveni have more blood on their hands than any combination of men in Africa – which makes them heroes to the West.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20622

cap28:

really?
so can you explain why a UN report written in 2002 concluded that 85 multinationals were faciliitating the plunder of the DRC's mineral wealth :

cap28:

Well most well informed africans beg to differ, to my mind Joseph Kabila is only where he is today because of Kagame and his rwandan troops,  Joseph Kabila is also related to another senior Rwandan mitary man James Kabarebe who was instrumental in assisting Joseph Kabila's rise to power,  both Kaberebe and Kagame are said to have groomed Joseph Kabila and im sure he wouldnt want to bite the fingers that placed him in power.
Kagame continues to receive millions of dollars in military aid from the US.

MyJoe:

So if Western companies plunder a country, it follows that Western governments are clandestinely sponsoring every coup that happens in that country. The Somali piracy problem was brought about by problems created by illegal fishing trawlers which came from Asia to plunder Somali marine resources. Therefore the Chinese government is responsible for ruining Somali and handing the world a piracy problem. That how you see it? Carry go!

Anyway , I am not getting into this. (But I’m taken aback you can’t see the context in which “Cold War” appears in that post). Only facts, to me, qualify and should form the basis for analysis, not wild hypotheses and conjectures. That quote from the The Guardian is a concise piece of FACT and it is also true 100%. Nothing I said in my post remotely contradicted it. As for the other quote from… er, globalresearch, oh, well… My only surprise is that you expect me to take it "globalresearch" seriously.

How do I qualify for this exclusive club of Africans? By believing things without a credible reason to do so? Interesting. Anyway, what I’m interested in in this thread is why Eddy thinks Kagame and Kabila are an item. There is usually no point arguing with those who think white people are constantly trying to destroy us.

Edit:
Oh, it seems you mistook my “The US and Belgium have played…” to mean just anyone from those countries, hence your quote about the well-known fact that there are Western companies[b] collaborating with Congolese warlords and politicians[/b] to plunder Africa's richest country. No, I meant their governments since that is what Eddy was referring to as working with Kagame and Museveni to run things in the DRC.

While cheered and canonized for ousting Mobutu just a year earlier (1997) Laurent Desire Kabila was soon declared a "dictator" because he steered Congo on an independent course. Kabila threw out Rwanda, Uganda, Bechtel, the World Bank and IMF, and so began the "War of Occupation." From 1998 to 2000 the Laurent Kabila government allied with Angola, Chad, Namibia, Sudan (Khartoum), Libya and Zimbabwe; South Africa has played both sides.

While the people of Congo resign themselves to believing that "the page has been turned" in Congolese affairs, much of the ongoing exploitation today can be directly connected to banking, plantations and mining interests that plundered the Belgian Congo (1908-1960) and then the "independent" state-the Democratic Republic of Congo (1960-1972) and then Zaire (1972-1997)-controlled by Joseph Mobutu and his western business partners and backers.

Amongst the many prominent people involved in the plunder of the DRC are Belgian nationals like Louis Michel, Étienne Davignon, Philippe de Moerloose and Andre Flahaut, and U.S. nationals like Henry Kissinger, Bill Richardson and Maurice Tempelsman. The interests of the Royal Family of Belgium are also involved. The predatory meddling and plundering of such people is rendered invisible by the international "community"-press, think-tanks, non-government organizations, foreign policy institutes and especially by academia-e.g. anthropology, international relations, political science, and African affairs departments.

With help from his "friends" behind the scenes, Joseph Kabila outmaneuvered Jean-Pierre Bemba to "win" the "historic national elections" of 2006, Congo's first since so-called independence in 1960. The two warlords-Kabila and Bemba-were competing to be the new Black Face of Congo presented to the world by the great white Anglo-European fathers.


Like academic institutions and African Studies departments all over America and Europe, the so-called "human rights" and "humanitarian" organizations gloss over, ignore or completely mask the realities of Western manipulation and control. The media reports the corporate line, full of tribalism and savagery and ebola viruses.


Many of the same families behind the European colonial enterprise-rooted in slavery, white supremacy and terror-are behind the warlords in Congo today.[b] The mainstays of exploitation, like the interests of former Belgian Barons or the Ministers of Colonies, have morphed into more insidious corporate entities. New players have dislodged some interests, like the [b]Israeli-Americans dealing in blood diamonds through the Tel Aviv diamond exchange with the support of the White House. And now China is deeply involved in the fray, but that's another story, another page to be unturned, and a hidden history to be excavated from the rubble of Central Africa.


It has often been stated that Joseph Kabila-whoever he is-had no choice but to assume the post he was pushed into as President of DRC. For Joseph Kabila to complain, balk or resist the machinations of power in any way, people close to him say, would mean his certain death.

http://towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/1171/1/