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Nothing Cannot Be Nothing Because In Nothing There Is Something -science by kandiikane(m): 2:39am On Jul 04, 2011
NOTHING cannot be nothing because in NOTHING there is SOMETHING that creates the NOTHING.
I have been doing research on what NOTHING is because I just thought if there is a NOTHING then SOMETHING must create the NOTHING which means that there can never actually be a NOTHING.

I have found various articles and researches done by scientists and I thought to post on here because many people do not know about the world of physics(part from what you learn in high school). I love learning about new things and I also love to research and I think people too should learn far beyond what they think and know and I have made it my mission to share with you(on N/L) things that many will not think of learning. So lets begin with article no.1 [size=16pt]NOTHING is SOMETHING[/size]. Just read and enlighten yourself.
Re: Nothing Cannot Be Nothing Because In Nothing There Is Something -science by kandiikane(m): 2:40am On Jul 04, 2011
NOTHING IS SOMETHING:
The Theory and Operation of a Phase-Conjugated Vacuum Triode
Floyd A. "Sparky" Sweet - June 24th, 1988
THEORETICAL OVERVIEW

Nothing, on the cosmological scale, is virtually everything. It is the home of all the
invisible fields, rippling with the activity of every real force. Every kind of matter produces a
field, the field all mesh in complex ways, often causing interference with other fields. Fields
are the "stuff" of the virtual vacuum. A light particle is nothing more than a large interference
in the electromagnetic field. Apart from interaction with matter of other fields a field will not
be changed in the vacuum. It will not go away; it cannot. Fields are a fundamental part of the
vacuum structure itself. Fields in their most quiescent state form the virtual vacuum itself. Even
when everything that can be removed from a vacuum has been removed, the Higgs field remains.
``Imagine the entire universe permeated with a constant magnetic field''. One need not imagine,
for it is true. It is clear from experimentation that certain results appear that are not explainable
without the presence of a field. The field consists of an infinite number of one-dimensional
North and South poles in an incoherent state- incoherent due to the presence of a multitude of
other interfering fields formed by other North and South poles, or particles or quanta. Thus the
virtual vacuum is far from empty, far from nothing, it is rather seething with potential energy as
the primordial powerhouse of everything in the universe.

As postulated by Einstein in his famous equation E=MC^2 , energy is a kind of matter. So
even the energy of distant starlight must be accounted for in any holistic view of physical reality.
The vacuum itself is literally popping with virtual particles that appear and disappear in the field
during instants too brief to be measured. Virtual particles with lifetimes or dwelltimes too short
for the name "particles" to be appropriate. As a result the generated fields are always in some
state of flux. However, under the influence of a generated Motional Electromagnetic field parts
of the normally chaotic virtual field break off from randomness and form a more coherent region.
This region consists of a structured portion of the spacetime continuum which by its very nature
seems to attract more virtual particles (This increase in particle density has been verified by lab
experiments conducted the week of June 19, 1988). This higher concentration of particles develops
a warping of the spacetime continuum where negative energy is produced in abundance. The
existence of this condition via direct engineering of the virtual state allows for the safe generation
of electrical energy. This condition, in essence, forms the underlying principle of operation of
the Phase-Conjugated Vacuum Triode. This device, however, produces negative energy which
is the reverse of the conventional positive energy generated by all devices in service today. The
arc generated by a short-circuit in a negative energy system is excessively bright and cold,
producing barely an audible hiss with no explosive force. Melting of conductors does not occur
and this type of negative current passes through the human body with only the feeling of a chill.
Conductors remain cool under load while only tiny cross-sectional areas of copper are required
to convey many hundreds of watts of power. Although all of this seems nearly unbelievable,
only what has been demonstrated in the laboratory has been described in this paper. The source
of energy is unlimited, the virtual vacuum of space itself structured by a motional
electromagnetic field is the powerhouse.
Re: Nothing Cannot Be Nothing Because In Nothing There Is Something -science by kandiikane(m): 2:40am On Jul 04, 2011
THE NATURE OF SPACE

Space itself is the ability to accommodate energy. Consider for a moment the following
illustration:
A signal (energy) is transmitted from point A to point B. A and B are separated by a
finite distance. Consider three periods of time:
1) The signal is launched from A.
2) The signal resides in the space between A and B.
3) The signal arrives at B.
If (3) occurs simultaneously with (1) we say that the signal has traveled at infinite
velocity. The signal has never resided in the intervening space and therefore there exists
no space between A and B. A is virtually at the same point in space as B. For real
space to exist between A and B it is necessary that a signal travelling between them be
"lost" with reference to both points for a finite period of time.

Now we know that for real space to exist between two points a signal travelling between
them will propagate at a finite velocity . If a signal will not travel between two
points, as in the case when c=0, then we can also conclude that there is no link or intervening
space between them. We have no means of detecting either an infinite velocity-supporting space
or zero-velocity space, so they do not exist as usable scientific concepts. If space cannot
accommodate a signal it has no function and no reality. We are left then with the only real
space, the home of the real and virtual vacuum. Space which supports a finite, nonzero velocity
where .

The above discussion dealt with a definition of space and the propagation velocity it will
support. A similar argument applies to the impedance of space. A medium can only
accommodate positive energy if the medium resists it to a reasonable degree. Neither an
infinitely strong spring nor an infinitely weak one can absorb or accommodate energy by being
compressed. Neither an infinitely large mass nor an infinitely light mass can absorb or
accommodate energy imparted by collision. The same holds true for space. Energy cannot enter
space of zero impedance (i.e; ) any more than a force can bear on a mass of zero
magnitude. Similarly, energy could not enter space of infinite impedance. It follows therefore,
that necessary properties of real space are:
1) finite propagation velocity
2) finite impedance.
Continuing our discussion of space and the values of c, Zo, µ, we take as given
that real space sustains non-zero finite impedance and velocity as follows:

where: µ and are characteristics of a unit volume
As yet we have not arrived at volume, which implies real space. At this point in our
discussion we have merely described c and Zo . Therefore, we can only define µ and in terms
of them. Algebraically it can be shown that:

Although we have said that the fundamental characteristics of space are c and Zo , perhaps
it is better to say that they are t and Zo , where t is the time delay through a finite segment of
space replacing c, the velocity through that segment. It is profitable to move away from the idea
of constant velocity c travelling through space which leads one to conceptualization of a segment
of space which traversed in 1 nanosecond (nsec) is 1 foot long. If one starts with a conceptual
frame in which space is in terms of t, a segment of space can easily be though of as 1 nsec wide,
and the energy entering it appears leaving it 1 nsec later. Subsidiary concepts of length and
velocity can then be deduced as needed. We could alternately say that space was (a) 1 foot wide
with a propagation velocity of 1 foot/nsec, or (b) 2 feet wide with a velocity of 2 feet/nsec.
Fundamental to the proposed world view is the reality that no experiment could help us decide
between (a) and (b). The essence of space is time, not distance, and only one propagation
velocity () is possible through a segment of space. Thus, time through a segment is
intimately related to the length of the segment. Propagation which is not at the speed of light
cannot exist according to this world view.
Re: Nothing Cannot Be Nothing Because In Nothing There Is Something -science by kandiikane(m): 2:48am On Jul 04, 2011
GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF ENERGY TRANSFER

Consider energy, flowing straight and level down the proximity of a transmission line.
The energy does not know the width of the channel through which it is passing. If the energy
reaches a point where the dielectric changes (but not the geometry), some of it will continue on
and some of it will reflect. If the energy reaches a change in the width of the transmission line
some will reflect and some will continue as well. The energy current will not know whether:
(a) the dielectric is changing, or
(b) the geometry is changing
Energy current does not have directional inertia, so that (a) is equivalent to (b). Energy
current does have an aspect ratio. If the aspect ratio is forced to change, some of the flowing
energy will reflect in order to assure that its total aspect ratio remains constant. Crudely, the
aspect ratio is similar to the ratio of E to H, or the same as the ratio of to µ. The
aspect ratio of energy current is much like the aspect ratio of space. While the aspect ratio of
space can change, it fundamental velocity cannot really change. This parameter
becomes merely our way of conceptualizing time delay when energy resides in a region of space.

A /B = Aspect Ratio
Uniform space has only two parameters:

1) aspect ratio
2) time delay
Aspect ratio defines the shape of energy entering a given region of space, but not its
amplitude. Velocity or length define the time during which the properly shaped energy can be
accommodated by a region of space. Aspect ratio is really a definition of the relative
compatibility of adjacent regions of space. Does flowing energy current largely travel unimpeded
through an interface, or does it largely reflect at the interface? Space has quiet zones through
which energy glides virtually unreflected. There are also noisy zones where energy current
becomes incoherent, bounces about and splits apart. Noisy zones in space have either rapidly
changing geometry or rapidly changing impedance ().
Re: Nothing Cannot Be Nothing Because In Nothing There Is Something -science by kandiikane(m): 2:53am On Jul 04, 2011
The image on this post is for the post above in regards to the perimeters of A/B=Aspect Ratio

Re: Nothing Cannot Be Nothing Because In Nothing There Is Something -science by kandiikane(m): 2:59am On Jul 04, 2011
ELECTROMAGNETIC ENERGY

The rate of flow of energy through a surface can be calculated as a function of E and H.
Specifically this flow is equivalent to E.H per unit area. This energy flows at the speed of light
through a medium where[img]http://jnaudin.free.fr/vta/p2.gif[/img] . E and H are in quadrature and are normal to the direction
of the energy flow. The energy density is therefore:: E.H/c. If two signals of equal magnitude
(assume E/2 & H/2) are travelling through each other in opposite directions the energy density
is calculated as follows:
[img]http://jnaudin.free.fr/vta/p12.gif[/img]
f the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an
apparently steady E-field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated
above, but the value of the E-field will double from E/2 to E. It is a simple matter using the
equations [img]http://jnaudin.free.fr/vta/p13.gif[/img][img]http://jnaudin.free.fr/vta/p2.gif[/img] for a team wave to get rid of H and c and so convert the
first equation into the well known equation for energy density in the so-called electrostatic field: [img]http://jnaudin.free.fr/vta/p14.gif[/img]
Similarly, if two signals flow through each other in such a way as to give the appearance of a
steady magnetic field as a result of their E-field canceling it is easily shown using the above
equations to cancel out H and c so that: [img]http://jnaudin.free.fr/vta/p15.gif[/img]

Modern physics is based upon the faulty assumption that electromagnetics contains two
kinds of energy: electric and magnetic. This assumption leads to a Baroque view of physical
reality. Under that view energy seems to be associated with the square of the field intensity
rather than a more reasonable view that it is linearly proportional to field intensity. It is worth
remembering that neither Einstein nor most modern physicists were or are familiar with the
concept of energy currents described herein. However, their work still survives by ignoring the
energy current concept, scalar electromagnetics, the works of T. E. Bearden, Kaluza-Klein, and
other who dispute Heaviside's interpretations of Maxwell's equations.
Re: Nothing Cannot Be Nothing Because In Nothing There Is Something -science by kandikane: 3:05am On Jul 04, 2011
I will continue when my other username is unbanned wink wink wink
Re: Nothing Cannot Be Nothing Because In Nothing There Is Something -science by kandiikane(m): 3:13am On Jul 04, 2011
THE FALLACY OF DISPLACEMENT CURRENT

Conventional electromagnetic theory proposes that when an electric current flows down
a wire into a capacitor it spreads out across the plate, producing an electric charge on the plate
which in turn leads to an electric field between the capacitor plates. The valuable concept of
continuity is then retained by postulating ``after Maxwell'' a displacement current. This current
is a manipulation of the electric field (E) between the capacitor plates which has the dimensions
of electric current and completes the flow of electricity in the circuit. This approach permits us
to retain Kirchoff's laws and other valuable concepts even though superficially it appears that at
the capacitor there is a break in the continuous flow of electric current. The flaw in this model
appears when we notice that the current entered the capacitor at only one point on the capacitor
plate. We then are left with the major difficulty of explaining how the electric charge flowing
down the wire suddenly distributes itself uniformly across the entire capacitor plate, at a velocity
in excess of the speed of light. This paradoxical situation is created by a flaw in the basic
model. Work in high speed logic conducted by Ivor Catt has shown that the model of lumped
capacitance is faulty and displacement current is an artifact of the faulty model. Since any
capacitor behaves similarly to a transmission line it is no more necessary to postulate a
displacement current for the capacitor than it is necessary to do so for a transmission line. The
excision of ``displacement current'' from electromagnetic theory has been based on arguments
which are independent of the classic dispute over whether the electric current causes the
electromagnetic field, or vice versa.
Re: Nothing Cannot Be Nothing Because In Nothing There Is Something -science by Phate07(m): 10:56pm On Jul 20, 2011
kandiikane:


THE NATURE OF SPACE

Space itself is the ability to accommodate energy. Consider for a moment the following
illustration:
A signal (energy) is transmitted from point A to point B. A and B are separated by a
finite distance. Consider three periods of time:
1) The signal is launched from A.
2) The signal resides in the space between A and B.
3) The signal arrives at B.
If (3) occurs simultaneously with (1) we say that the signal has traveled at infinite
velocity. The signal has never resided in the intervening space and therefore there exists
no space between A and B. A is virtually at the same point in space as B. For real
space to exist between A and B it is necessary that a signal travelling between them be
"lost" with reference to both points for a finite period of time.

Now we know that for real space to exist between two points a signal travelling between
them will propagate at a finite velocity . If a signal will not travel between two
points, as in the case when c=0, then we can also conclude that there is no link or intervening
space between them. We have no means of detecting either an infinite velocity-supporting space
or zero-velocity space, so they do not exist as usable scientific concepts. If space cannot
accommodate a signal it has no function and no reality. We are left then with the only real
space, the home of the real and virtual vacuum. Space which supports a finite, nonzero velocity
where .

The above discussion dealt with a definition of space and the propagation velocity it will
support. A similar argument applies to the impedance of space. A medium can only
accommodate positive energy if the medium resists it to a reasonable degree. Neither an
infinitely strong spring nor an infinitely weak one can absorb or accommodate energy by being
compressed. Neither an infinitely large mass nor an infinitely light mass can absorb or
accommodate energy imparted by collision. The same holds true for space. Energy cannot enter
space of zero impedance (i.e; ) any more than a force can bear on a mass of zero
magnitude. Similarly, energy could not enter space of infinite impedance. It follows therefore,
that necessary properties of real space are:
1) finite propagation velocity
2) finite impedance.
Continuing our discussion of space and the values of c, Zo, µ, we take as given
that real space sustains non-zero finite impedance and velocity as follows:

where: µ and are characteristics of a unit volume
As yet we have not arrived at volume, which implies real space. At this point in our
discussion we have merely described c and Zo . Therefore, we can only define µ and in terms
of them. Algebraically it can be shown that:

Although we have said that the fundamental characteristics of space are c and Zo , perhaps
it is better to say that they are t and Zo , where t is the time delay through a finite segment of
space replacing c, the velocity through that segment. It is profitable to move away from the idea
of constant velocity c travelling through space which leads one to conceptualization of a segment
of space which traversed in 1 nanosecond (nsec) is 1 foot long. If one starts with a conceptual
frame in which space is in terms of t, a segment of space can easily be though of as 1 nsec wide,
and the energy entering it appears leaving it 1 nsec later. Subsidiary concepts of length and
velocity can then be deduced as needed. We could alternately say that space was (a) 1 foot wide
with a propagation velocity of 1 foot/nsec, or (b) 2 feet wide with a velocity of 2 feet/nsec.
Fundamental to the proposed world view is the reality that no experiment could help us decide
between (a) and (b). The essence of space is time, not distance, and only one propagation
velocity () is possible through a segment of space. Thus, time through a segment is
intimately related to the length of the segment. Propagation which is not at the speed of light
cannot exist according to this world view.

Time travel is a very thorny issue among scientists. Some do argue that any given Timeline is Linear and time traveling will be able to distort events.

But the rest do argue for a Divergent Timeline, where divergent and multiple timelines are formed whenever time is tampered with.


Btw, nice articles, where did you get them from? n them. We have no means of detecting either an infinite velocity-supporting space
or zero-velocity space, so they do not exist as usable scientific concepts. If space cannot
accommodate a signal it has no function and no reality. We are left then with the only real
space, the home of the real and virtual vacuum. Space which supports a finite, nonzero velocity
where .

The above discussion dealt with a definition of space and the propagation velocity it will
support. A similar argument applies to the impedance of space. A medium can only
accommodate positive energy if the medium resists it to a reasonable degree. Neither an
infinitely strong spring nor an infinitely weak one can absorb or accommodate energy by being
compressed. Neither an infinitely large mass nor an infinitely light mass can absorb or
accommodate energy imparted by collision. The same holds true for space. Energy cannot enter
space of zero impedance (i.e; ) any more than a force can bear on a mass of zero
magnitude. Similarly, energy could not enter space of infinite impedance. It follows therefore,
that necessary properties of real space are:
1) finite propagation velocity
2) finite impedance.
Continuing our discussion of space and the values of c, Zo, µ, we take as given
that real space sustains non-zero finite impedance and velocity as follows:

where: µ and are characteristics of a unit volume
As yet we have not arrived at volume, which implies real space. At this point in our
discussion we have merely described c and Zo . Therefore, we can only define µ and in terms
of them. Algebraically it can be shown that:

Although we have said that the fundamental characteristics of space are c and Zo , perhaps
it is better to say that they are t and Zo , where t is the time delay through a finite segment of
space replacing c, the velocity through that segment. It is profitable to move away from the idea
of constant velocity c travelling through space which leads one to conceptualization of a segment
of space which traversed in 1 nanosecond (nsec) is 1 foot long. If one starts with a conceptual
frame in which space is in terms of t, a segment of space can easily be though of as 1 nsec wide,
and the energy entering it appears leaving it 1 nsec later. Subsidiary concepts of length and
velocity can then be deduced as needed. We could alternately say that space was (a) 1 foot wide
with a propagation velocity of 1 foot/nsec, or (b) 2 feet wide with a velocity of 2 feet/nsec.
Fundamental to the proposed world view is the reality that no experiment could help us decide
between (a) and (b). The essence of space is time, not distance, and only one propagation
velocity () is possible through a segment of space. Thus, time through a segment is
intimately related to the length of the segment. Propagation which is not at the speed of light
cannot exist according to this world view.
[quote][/quote]

Time travel is a very thorny issue among scientists. Some do argue that any given Timeline is Linear and time traveling will be able to distort events.

But the rest do argue for a Divergent Timeline, where divergent and multiple timelines are formed whenever time is tampered with.


Btw, nice articles, where did you get them from?
Re: Nothing Cannot Be Nothing Because In Nothing There Is Something -science by kandiikane(m): 11:06pm On Jul 20, 2011
I was going to put links when I have finished but they kept on banning me so much I just stopped. Will look for them. .
Re: Nothing Cannot Be Nothing Because In Nothing There Is Something -science by Phate07(m): 11:41pm On Jul 20, 2011
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Re: Nothing Cannot Be Nothing Because In Nothing There Is Something -science by BABE3: 1:18am On Jul 21, 2011
I beg to differ. cheesy I think the word choice is the problem here. (Language is abstract and arbitrary, so arguments like this are expected.) Plus it's all about relativity. I think what "Nothing" means is what is left when all the measurable/ smallest particles done comot. What is left is nothing, in relative to what we can measure and what was there (the something)--- I'm not sure if i'm making sense---but, it's wateva-- grin

I like the Vacuum Triode article. I remember learning that sh1t in high-school, I didn't understand nothing. grin It kinda makes sense now.
Re: Nothing Cannot Be Nothing Because In Nothing There Is Something -science by kandiikane(m): 1:31am On Jul 21, 2011
Ok, I don't get you. .Choice? In what sense? But lets say we cannot measure what is left(the nothing) it does not mean its an absolute nothing because there is still something there but as you say unmeasurable. .

I don't really get you just trying to go with the flow with what you said. . grin
Re: Nothing Cannot Be Nothing Because In Nothing There Is Something -science by BABE3: 1:47am On Jul 21, 2011
kandiikane:

Ok, I don't get you. .Choice? In what sense? But lets say we cannot measure what is left(the nothing) it does not mean its an absolute nothing because there is still something there but as you say unmeasurable. .

I don't really get you just trying to go with the flow with what you said. . grin

LOL---Confused lot! hehehehe grin


That's where I'm trying to get at---How do we even know there's something left if we can't measure it? Well, I'm sure there an intense scientific answer to that question.

Again, it's a language problem(arbitrariness). "Nothing" can still mean something--- It just depends on the degree of "somethingness".

In a nutshell, there is something in the nothing, but that something is Nothing in relative to something else---- You dig? grin
Re: Nothing Cannot Be Nothing Because In Nothing There Is Something -science by kandiikane(m): 2:45am On Jul 21, 2011
No, I do not dig grin
Because this was not just a random choice made by certain people. .

This just refers it back to something if as you say "something is nothing in relative to something else". The reason why we cannot measure the nothing or take something out of the nothing is because there has never been a nothing. It has always a something. .


Lets take the Big ba[i]n[/i]g as an example- Although scientist do not know yet what caused it but we know that everything has a cause whether it is an emptiness or something else. .So the universe did not just come into existence randomly. . .
Re: Nothing Cannot Be Nothing Because In Nothing There Is Something -science by kandiikane(m): 3:00am On Jul 21, 2011
We only know of what happened after because we are contained in the universe just like time and space. .


I cannot modify undecided
Re: Nothing Cannot Be Nothing Because In Nothing There Is Something -science by BABE3: 5:05pm On Jul 21, 2011
kandiikane:


I cannot modify undecided

lol--- I know--One annoying thing about the section.

I'm not really arguing with the "topic"----so don't fuss (lol). We are almost of the same page. All I'm saying is, there is something in the nothing--RIght! But that something is nothing compared to something else: something more significant. smiley

I never said it was a random choice made by people. What I said/typed was that the word choice is arbitrary/random.
Re: Nothing Cannot Be Nothing Because In Nothing There Is Something -science by kandiikane(m): 5:43pm On Jul 21, 2011
But we are not talking about how something is nothing if there is something more significant than it but how nothingness is an actual something. .

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