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@buzegee

lol to be honest with you engineering is a noble profession. of course i know there are many setbacks in naija etc etc. ok maybe the question is kinda harsh lol but this applies all across the board in nigeria. folks dont want to apply themselves. they sit all the blame with the govt. i would like to think that if i was an engineer, i would try to create something (from my mama basement), i would keep at it till i perfect it. then i would look for venture capitalists or even the govt to sponsor it. you know what i think the problem is ?
1, the wrong people go into engineering and for the wrong reasons. if you are not technical minded, you have no reason going into engineering. people wrongly go into it because they feel it is prestigious. see, they went into it for the wrong reasons while they are not mentally equipped to critical think their way out of the box that university learning constrains you to. thats the problem. the wrong people go into it for the wrong reasons. my personal opinion
2, naija man has a classist mindset which he feels precludes him from getting dirty. this is obviously a negative for the field of engineering
3, the avg naijaman is into instant gratification, this is also a negative as you have to be long suffering in a field like this.

so all in all, i guess the blame lies on the people and slightly with the govt

My Bigger bros!
I am just curious.
"WHAT" EXACTLY ARE YOU?
I mean what is your "calling" in life"

You've said you are NOT an Engineer.
Now l can understand your "reckless" statement concerning Engineers.

BTW: Do you know that "some" Engineers have developed themselves to the point where they are qualified "consultants" with higher-degree-level qualifications in two or three callings?
The world is moving away from the classic, old-stereotyped, "straight-jacket, occupational definition" to "multi-diverse, cross-functional competencies"!
These are the people that "Stand-out and oustand everyone else" in the firm or at an interview!
It takes years though, and loads of "relevant" work experience

lastpage:

@buzegee
My Bigger bros!
I am just curious.
"WHAT" EXACTLY ARE YOU?
I mean what is your "calling" in life"

You've said you are NOT an Engineer.
Now l can understand your "reckless" statement concerning Engineers.

BTW: Do you know that "some" Engineers have developed themselves to the point where they are qualified "consultants" with higher-degree-level qualifications in two or three callings?
The world is moving away from the classic, old-stereotyped, "straight-jacket, occupational definition" to "multi-diverse, cross-functional competencies"!
These are the people that "Stand-out and oustand everyone else" in the firm or at an interview!
It takes years though, and loads of "relevant" work experience

Does this answer any question.Bullshit

^^^^^ I cant engage "unfulfilled", self-hating, self-denigrating, low-life imbeciles like you, in a discussion!

In "real life", l would be your lecturer at the University level (if you ever will reach that level) and probably send you out of the class for recurrent, below-par performances!

But, thank God for "the internet"! at least shyte-heads like you can "make a comment", no matter how stewpid!

Now, run-off and go back to your bus conductor trade!

lastpage:

^^^^^ I cant engage "unfulfilled", self-hating, self-denigrating, low-life imbeciles like you, in a discussion!

In "real life", l would be your lecturer at the University level (if you ever will reach that level) and probably send you out of the class for recurrent, below-par performances!

But, thank God for "the internet"! at least shyte-heads like you can "make a comment", no matter how stewpid!

Now, run-off and go back to your bus conductor trade!

now, this how to end a debate.

coogar:

now, this how to end a debate.

end ko, end ni. The guy never end anything

@ topic: seconded

OMG!, I can't believe I have just read all 5 pages!!!

Unfortunately y”all, Olas2u, Bzugee and Blackstar are 1000% wholly, completely, totalyistically on point,

Sentiments and emotions aside, take a cue and sleep on it!

Its freaky, I had this same conversation with my peeps yesterday, see, its not just in the techi areas, its in all areas.

Best lines and truest talk:

‘’naija man has a classist mindset which he feels precludes him from getting dirty. this is obviously a negative for the field of engineering’’
‘’the wrong people go into engineering and for the wrong reasons. if you are not technical minded, you have no reason going into engineering. people wrongly go into it because they feel it is prestigious''
‘’see thats that lazy nigerian mentality of waiting for a non-existent govt to solve all our problems. any engineer with true knowledge will build a prototype of what he is doing in his garage and then go and look for investors. thats how it is done. am tired of excuses mayne. if youhave the know-how best believe you would look for investors to back you up’’

Lol @ this
‘’I have onced followed a turkish national to fix furnitures he produced by himself in Nigeria,but the funniest thing was that the big man was so impressed that white people came to fix his furnitures.If an elite can think this way,what about the ordinary Nigerians.’’


This totally happens in my factory all the time, they even take pictures and plaster them all over office memorabilia.

@ OP, It is wrong to hold a strong opinion about something you don't understand. Debosky has said it all. To those making comparison to India and the likes, find out their research expenditure yearly.

In summary, Input = Output + waste. Despite this, we have some of the finest engineers at the helm of affairs in multinational oil coys. Our leaders have failed to invest in the right things, especially education.

dady2011:

@snthesis (m)

According to the decree that set up COREN, they are suppose to regulate and control the training and practice of engineering in Nigeria, ensure and enforce the registration of all engineering personnel and consulting firms wishing to practice or engage in the practice of engineering in Nigeria.

Unfortunately COREN exist only as a toothless bulldog that does not live up to it's mandate. they register individual engineers who complete the application forms, have 4 years engineering work experience and pay the processing fee, then the individual have a stamp as a qualified engineer to use the title Engr.

Unless you are working for the Government, registeration with COREN is at best optional, there is no enforcement of anything as far as I know. take a look at the Job openings for Engineers advertised by some major companies in Nigeria (i.e MTN, GLO, Chevron, Mobile, Shell, etc) and tell me where registration with COREN is a requirement to be employed as an Engineer. You do not need COREN registration to be employed and be addresses as an Engr in the Private sector.

I worked as an Engineer with my business card addressing me as Engr for over 10 years in Nigeria without registering with COREN, my employer did not care about COREN registration and this is true for thousands of engineers enployed in the private sector using the title "Engr"without COREN registration today.

Does COREN have a set of standard of engineering practice in Nigeria? do they ensure that anyone with engineering degree write and pass some prescribe examination before being licence? how many people have COREN prosecuted for using the title Engr without registration? do they vet applicant transcript and/or work experience and prescribe some confirmatory examination or interview applicant to ensure that they know what they claim in their application?, do they set some kind of professional engineering practice exams for applicant to sure they understand the standard of engineering practice in Nigeria (i,e engineering law, professional ethics and liability)?. so how is COREN regulating engineering practice in Nigeria, simply giving people stamp for working for 4 years in engineering and having an engineering degree does not make that individual a qualified Engineer.

COREN is backed by a decrees -Decrees, No 55, 1970 and No 27, 1992 (Amendment), and yes you are wrong about private companies practicing engineering without a Valid COREN certificate - it is one of the core requirements in pre-qualifying for an award of an engineering contract, applying for a DPR license as an engineering Firm also stipulates a COREN certificate is to be shown.
COREN doesnt just hand over stamps to any tom, di[i]ck[/i] and harry claimimg to have worked for 4years, there are processes involved, and the final stage is a one on one interview.
Going around with the title of an Engr. as a prefix in your name in Nigeria without being duly certified will land you in jail- ignorantia legis neminem excusat (Ignorance of the law excuses no one). Graduates of engineering are allowed to practice in other to gain relevant experience but can not be addressed as Engrs till they meet all the requirements.

AjanleKoko:

Another 'countryman analysis' from the Agege Area Boy

nice one

#COREN is backed by decrees#

Is this a silly joke or something?
I hate myself for getting into this discourse but after watching the same trash being regurgitated for three pages, l am constrained to "contribute" just a few lines.
Honestly speaking, if l consider any of my kids and the kind of knowledge they have in their head, the kind of "models" they have done with ordinary paper, the "activities" they do in school and the exposure they even have from watching TV (watching programs like "How Things are made", How Stuffs made", e.t.c), l tell myself, "No wonder they are very much more brilliant than me, at their age"!

Now, do l blame myself for that? NO, not in anyway.

I was the best l could be, at that time, based on the "resources available and the environment" l found myself (and l am talking about somebody given birth to, by Graduate parents who are traveled and work in decent places!).

I dont know "buzegee" or what he does for a living but "whatever" he is doing right now, l want to assure him that he is at least 75% under-utilized! Yes, you are only delivering 25% of what you are actually capable of! Prove me wrong if you can.

Have you ever wondered why some who struggle to graduate in Nigeria suddenly become a sort of "Genius", graduating with first class honors, when they come abroad? Just give it a thought and dont abuse me yet!

Like others have pointed out, go to NIFOR, go to FIRRO and many other places (l was part of a team at the Biomedical Engineering Dept, LUTH, that developed a Baby incubator, in those days and we took it to a trade fair! We've done our part, as students and l was not even a "core-engineer" by then!).

Let me share this with you: My B.Sc project was in the "Design and construction of a remote controlled car demobilizer" (this was decades ago, then it was a novel idea!). I designed and constructed it, installed the "Receiver part" in my Dad's car and brought it to the campus during project defense. I got an A+ in that 6-Units course!
Many years later,l went back to my Dept and saw my Project with so much dust on it (it cost me a lot of money to build it as everything was done the hard and manual way!) and asked that l should at least be allowed to take it away and show it to my kids, if not for anything else! Well, the request was denied.

Now, in a good country, (as is done in Europe and the Americas) the "Venture Capitalists" (Rich businessmen) are always on the prole looking for "good and innovative ideas" to pump money into!
They will invest in it, commercialize it and make their money back in multiple fold!

Lets leave the Nigerian Govt out of it for now.
Have you ever wondered why our own rich men (even if they did loot our national treasury) will rather stash their loot in Monaco, Belize or a Swiss bank, rather than "multiply it" by investing in such innovations?
Go to "Silicon Valley" (in the U.S) today and see how "start-up Ventures" get financed and encouraged.

With money, you can "fine-tune" your invention in a way that it can compete with others from other parts of the world.
You can have access to latest technology, materials and fabrication methods.

Do you know that Engineer Awojobi built a "local car" that was on display at Unilag, for so many decades?
How many "Aba-boys" have built cars and whatever you can think of?

I feel very sad for you, that you can insult "Engineers" like this, if you are one, you will know what it takes to even graduate, talk-less of becoming a "qualified" engineer!

Again, you need to understand that by our curricula, University Engineers dont "BUILD" things! We have two-tiers of Engineers.

1.)University trained (B.Eng, B.Sc, e.t.c) : Their job is to "conceptualize, and design" engineering solutions.
They are like the Architect that "designs a building" and supervises it construction on ground! His job is to ensure that the "design" is followed, during construction, offering expertise where needed. Though if need be (and this is very rare), he will enter the trench with them. This is to ensure that their level of knowledge is not encumbered by "rudimentary tasks" that "others" can handle, without waste in manpower!

2.) Institute & College of Technologies (HND's, e.t.c): This group is by no mean inferior or subordinate to the first group, they are both experts and competent leaders but in different areas! Their job is to "pick-up" what the first group has "designed" and "bring it to life". They are involved in actual construction and their curricula is more practical-based but devoid of the finesse expected of an Engineer who is supposed to "negotiate" a project financing! (That wan need grammar small naah! )

Now, both "groups one and two" will always work together. And you can find them like that in all advance economies.

The problem with the "Nigerian system" is that around the 80's, people saw that it was easier to "have access to and loot funds", if you are in the office! .,, and that is where you will find the first group! , On the drawing board! Pen Robbers! and everybody wants to be one!

Again, due to our "silly colonial mentality", "idiots" began to ascribe "superiority" to the first group and began to pay them more than the second group! But the reverse should actually be the case!. The same reason you see some "Oga" sitting on a swivel chair all day in the office and he gets paid ten times more than the people who actually do the work!
It does not happen like that in advance economies except for some "few experienced Specialists".
A "bricklayer" gets paid as much, if not more than a bank cashier, for example, in Europe and America. (I know this for a fact).

Putting all these together, l will conclude by saying that "the Engineers" are not the problem, our environment is the problem!
What sort of engineering prowess do you expect from a country where the Presidential Villa makes a yearly budget for "GENERATORS"?
We have a govt that pays "lip-service" to technological advancement, that is just the fact and l am not surprised, in a country that is 50yrs old, we just got a first graduate President at 48yrs!
And they are not even "honors" graduates
In a country where the head of the CBN is a graduate of Islamic Banking! (where are the chartered Accountants, the Economists, the Financial Managers, e.t.c ?)
In a country where mediocrity is the order of the day and round pegs are put in square holes, just because we must abide by "Federal Character and Quota Systems"? (Name one developed Nation that operates on Quota system or Federal Character?)

The system we operate right now is just so rotten we should actually recognize the "ingenuity" of Nigerian Engineers (and students in general) who can survive the constant abuse and deprivation called Nigerian Educational system.
What manner of Engineers can you produce from Universities with empty Laboratories and constant black-outs? Is that the students fault?

Maybe "buzeege" is still too young or too inexperienced to grasp the enormity of the 'rot' and hence his frustration on "Nigerian Engineers" but really, they are not the problem.
Can any Engineer walk into a bank with his invention and ask the bank to fund its production? No way!
But they are willing to give unsecured loans to @Sin-nators@ and one crooked business man who will share them 25% and refuse to payback the loan

I weep for my country.

@ lastpage, i can respect this contribution. i think you guys need a strong lobby group though. without that nothing gets done. you guys need to organize. be pro-active. dont be docile. you only have advantages to gain from being pro-active 1, you get to hustle to get all the projects in naija done, which means more money in your pockets. unless of course you guys just dont have a clue about practical engineering in which case i can understand the docility.
what do i do for a living you asked in one of your questions ? i currently sell gala at oworonsoki. pays the rent

OP what give you this dumb conclusion that nigerian graduates are useless?
Its the Govt of the day that is useless because it refuses in giving the required facilities for nigerian engineers to excel in their profession.Take a look at our universities and you would understand what i am talking about.You should blame the Govt and not the graduates for the problems in the county.IF nigerian engineers and graduates are so useless then how come they excel abroad?

@tom28, they excel abroad because they are good followers not innovators. they are good learners but not good innovators. nigeria needs innovators not learners.

not to mention secondary school students. Are olas4u and buzu kids? Cos they like kids

@ Good Boi, am a grown azzz man

When 'll Nigerians stop complaining about what they know little or nothing about? What is it that is special about constructing an oil platform, refinery and so on. Are there not Nigerian Design engineers who design these systems. In my year four in the University(UNILORIN), we (eight of us) designed a windmill. In my final year project, we demonstrated how to harness electrical energy from sea water osmotic pressure. The guy who posted this junk and his supporter should contribute enough money and see if Nigerian Engineers can design, build, operate and maintain successfully all those systems and structures or not. se systems and structures or not.

@ Pinoralia, so you built all that at unilorin and then you let such a feat die because of your docility ? how many years ago did you leave unilorin ? you mean with the internet, all these years, you couldnt hustle for venture capitalists all over the world to come and take a look at what you did and invest in it ? or is it just that what you came up with was crap ?

i have always wondered y u know, !!
someone better not be using the example of anyone remouing engine from a car and using it to run a garri grinding machine, i don wanna hear about it, k!
where r the Solar Panels? the locally designed or reversed engineered tri cycles of whatever? why does the goverment always get the blame?
DO WHAT PEOPLE DO IN AMERICA, INVENT SOMETHING AND PERSUADE Leaders of INDUSTRY IT WILL MAKE MONEY AND THEY WILL FUND THE MASS PRODUCTIONS OF your INVENTION AND THE MARKETING OF IT!!

those of yall here calling people illiterate, if u r an engineer, why dont u do what people in the West do as i just described above?/
why dont all your universities have none-stop electricity provided by the engineering faculties??

smh

lmao @ $tunna

look at the health sector, there are many Nigerian trained doctors and nurses in the US and Uk doing well while our hospital have been reduced to morgues. Does that mean our doctors are not good?

@ dudtydee it means your doctors are lazy and docile. they are not leaders. they are followers. they know how to take orders from foreigners (a weakness that smacks of inferiority complex and instant-gratification (fast money as opposed to long suffering to innovate naija hospitals ), a typical nigerian trait )

@poster what utter nonsense did u post.its @ tyms like dis i wish free speech wasnt allowed, where on earth do you expect an engineer to get money to finance the construction of a rig/refinery, if theres no government support or from private sector nothing can be done, its not a matter of poorly trained engineers.
btw am an engineer trained in nigeria and am taking this very personal, illiterate poster oshi

lmao @ Garbigarba. all these sensitive engineers. thought yall was posed to be a tough bunch ?

lastpage:

@buzegee
My Bigger bros!
I am just curious.
"WHAT" EXACTLY ARE YOU?
I mean what is your "calling" in life"

You've said you are NOT an Engineer.
Now l can understand your "reckless" statement concerning Engineers.

BTW: Do you know that "some" Engineers have developed themselves to the point where they are qualified "consultants" with higher-degree-level qualifications in two or three callings?
The world is moving away from the classic, old-stereotyped, "straight-jacket, occupational definition" to "multi-diverse, cross-functional competencies"!
These are the people that "Stand-out and oustand everyone else" in the firm or at an interview!
It takes years though, and loads of "relevant" work experience

olas2u:

Does this answer any question.Bullshit

lastpage:

^^^^^ I cant engage "unfulfilled", self-hating, self-denigrating, low-life imbeciles like you, in a discussion!

In "real life", l would be your lecturer at the University level (if you ever will reach that level) and probably send you out of the class for recurrent, below-par performances!

But, thank God for "the internet"! at least shyte-heads like you can "make a comment", no matter how stewpid!

Now, run-off and go back to your bus conductor trade!

pure comedy. i am with olas2u on this one. a multi disciplined engineer in a country where people still pound yam manually is like an impotent man in the middle of fine looking women. useless

Uyi Iredia:

end ko, end ni. The guy never end anything

@ topic: seconded

Labelle:

OMG!, I can't believe I have just read all 5 pages!!!

Unfortunately y”all, Olas2u, Bzugee and Blackstar are 1000% wholly, completely, totalyistically on point,

Sentiments and emotions aside, take a cue and sleep on it!

Its freaky, I had this same conversation with my peeps yesterday, see, its not just in the techi areas, its in all areas.

Best lines and truest talk:

‘’naija man has a classist mindset which he feels precludes him from getting dirty. this is obviously a negative for the field of engineering’’
‘’the wrong people go into engineering and for the wrong reasons. if you are not technical minded, you have no reason going into engineering. people wrongly go into it because they feel it is prestigious''
‘’see thats that lazy nigerian mentality of waiting for a non-existent govt to solve all our problems. any engineer with true knowledge will build a prototype of what he is doing in his garage and then go and look for investors. thats how it is done. am tired of excuses mayne. if youhave the know-how best believe you would look for investors to back you up’’

Lol @ this
‘’I have onced followed a turkish national to fix furnitures he produced by himself in Nigeria,but the funniest thing was that the big man was so impressed that white people came to fix his furnitures.If an elite can think this way,what about the ordinary Nigerians.’’


This totally happens in my factory all the time, they even take pictures and plaster them all over office memorabilia.

finally. some more people with sense
anyway i respect everyone. i respect all professions. nothing personal against anybody. it just irks me to see a woman pounding yam manually in 2011 or grinding pepper with stones. like wtf ? this aint stone age period. or is it ?

buzugee:

finally. some more people with sense
anyway i respect everyone. i respect all professions. nothing personal against anybody. it just irks me to see a woman pounding yam manually in 2011 or grinding pepper with stones. like wtf ? this aint stone age period. or is it ?

Where did you see people doing that?
In Agege even, they sell Ola-Ola or Ayoola foods pounded yam flour, and they have pepper grinding machines. You can hardly find anybody pounding yam manually.
Must be in your village. Who's fault is it that everyone in your village still lives in the stone age?

@ Ajanlekoko, leave this buzugee guy. If he feels so bitter, let him go and study Engineering. Maybe he will design and make a space shuttle. The guy doesnt know jack about what he is saying. Meanwhile, we got unfinished business. How do i reach you?

No one is useless Engineering is one of the things that are most recognised , Especially here in South Africa,

Hi everyone , Iam Chating From South Africa but iam not from Nigeria.

Nigeria Engineers are not useless, Nairalanders.Dont ever compare our Engineering graduate with their counterpart overseas.
The learning condition for our Universities are not to be compare with that of USA or Uk. Most of you who have gone through one university
or the other in Nigeria must have some how visit one of the Engineering workshop in the school.what did you see during such visit? I guess the
Equipment you saw where obsolete or not working. Most faculties dont even  have prototypes (models) to teach their student yet you all want Nigeria Universities to produce graduate who will build a Oil Rigs? DREAM ON!!!!! WHERE IS YOUR THINKING CAP BAD MOUTH NAIRALANDERS.
Nairalander's, have you seen nigerian students who had their first degree overseas? They perform really good because all that is required to make them turn out well is provided for them and they are well taught with good field trips.they come out with good grades.some dont ever bother to come back to nigeria since the system here in nigeria will not provide an enabling ground for them to practise.
WE should be proud that our engineer's who were not expose to field trip,who were not taught with basic foundational engineering models,who all thru their schooling were subject to obsolete equipments HAVE STRONG THEORETICAL BACKGROUNG.
By the grace of God i have work in a plant manned by white and blacks.The nigeria working with them are more knowledgeable about the facilties than them.
FOR YOUR INFORMATION NIGERIAN GRADUATES ARE NATURALLY INTELLIGENT IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY

Ughuson69 --- you are 100% correct man

Superbrain:

@ Ajanlekoko, leave this buzugee guy. If he feels so bitter, let him go and study Engineering. Maybe he will design and make a space shuttle. The guy doesnt know jack about what he is saying. Meanwhile, we got unfinished business. How do i reach you?

What's up? At your service bros.

AjanleKoko:

Where did you see people doing that?
In Agege even, they sell Ola-Ola or Ayoola foods pounded yam flour, and they have pepper grinding machines. You can hardly find anybody pounding yam manually.
Must be in your village. Who's fault is it that everyone in your village still lives in the stone age?

ouchhhh. that hurt. i guess its only my mama that still pounds iyan manually. her biceps is now the size of a midgets thigh because of this. her biceps is 18inches

Superbrain:

@ Ajanlekoko, leave this buzugee guy. If he feels so bitter, let him go and study Engineering. Maybe he will design and make a space shuttle. The guy doesnt know jack about what he is saying. Meanwhile, we got unfinished business. How do i reach you?

engineering aint for me bruh. i dont like to get too grimey.

@ Ajanlekoko, shoot me a blank email. superbrainnl (at) gmail (dot) com. Thanks.