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| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Haoqi24: 11:35am On Feb 12, 2017 |
Olu317: All I see here is manipulation of our Yoruba heritage to fit in to your slave masters doctrine. Well the Orisha is a primodial force that was there after Eledumare, we can say his direct manifestation. And you thinking they first existed has men is pure fallacy. The reasons for personification is so the human mind can understand. And from all your talk I can deduce you no be aborisha. "Prayers and sacrifices are made to Orishas according to their kind. Obatala accept snail and white chalk. Ogun accept dog, blood and cola with cold water. Eleye accepts kidney and fresh meat. What is the sacrifice which Eledumare accept? Every Ebo are made through Eshu. Ifa says Eshu ni gba ebo be ni ko mo IFA da. Eshu takes 5% of every Ebo and gives the rest to Orisha or eleye that owns it. There is no particular one sets for Eledumare. So tell us how every prayers and sacrifice ends with Eledumare when he does not partake in receiving any Ebo from anybody. God is not just one in Yoruba religion. The Irunmole which Eledumare is one and part of are first and primodial forces. These Irunmoles are Gods. A 401 Gods is not monotheism because they are more than one. 401 Gods equals polytheism. Apart from the Irunmoles, there are Egungun, Oro, Ebora, Ori and other divinites in their infinite numbers. Every natural entities have it Ori. They are just there in their countless number and are all Gods. I really dont understand how infinite number of Gods made up to what you call monotheism. Also, Deity and God is very much the samething. There is no clear cut difference. Eledumare is Olorun and Olorun is not Orisha. We only have One Olorun and 200 Orisha. However, we need to note that Olorun is one of the Irunmole. The Irunmoles are Gods which is polytheism. The 401 are the primodial forces. Eledumare is one of them. And they are all deity/god because some form of worship are attributed to them. This makes the case of Irunmole differ from Jehovah or Allah. ELEDUMARE care less about worship and do not ask for one unlike Jehovah/Allah. Eledumare do not accept sacrifice or have any form of sacrifice set for him unlike Jehovah/Allah. The other Irunmole, to the Ebora, to Ori are been worshipped unlike 24 elders and queen of heavens and jinns. In monotheism, a god is belief and worshipped only. Orisha system encourage belief in many numbers of Gods and worshipping of them. Onifa or any babalawo has Ojubo Eshu, Ogun, Olokun and lot others in his "office". This is a symbol of polythesim and nothing more" "Monotheism is the belief in a single all-powerful god, as opposed to religions that believe in multiple gods. Orisha religion system does not recognise a single all-powerful god but 401 Irunmales who govern the earth and the ancestors realm. Eledumare is one and part of the Irunmoles. Despite the fact the he owns all the Ashe (Energy), his subordinates in 400 Irunmoles are also Gods that are been worshipped in Yoruba religion system. Ogun lakaye Osinmole is the chief of Irunmoles. Ogun is the deity of strength, war and Iron/metalic elements. Lakaye means the one whose influcence spread around the world (both physical and spiritual realm) while Osinmole from collison of Osin awon Imole meaning the one Imole worship and sees as head. Allah could made jinns, Jehovah could form trinity and elders numbering 24 in the councils of heaven where queens of heaven, gods (Psalm 82:1) and sons of God congregate but the fact you failed to see is that no muslim worship Jinn and also no christian worship any of the elders, angels or queen of heaven. No one pray to the angels or gods. No one bow in prayer for Jinns. The muslim world admits there is no other god except Allah just like christians no other God is worthy of worship except Jehovah. Allah and Jehovah are single all powerful God to muslim and christian respectively. This makes Islam and Christianity a monotheistic religion. Yoruba religion system is different entirely in the cases of Abrahamic religion (Christianity and Islam). The 400 Irunmoles and Orishas are been worshipped. Ones Ori is a deity which have a dedicated shrine/altar, prayed to and scarifices made to appeals to it. Egungun (dead living ancestors) are been worshipped in a dedicated shrine among families. This does not end with worshipping but a belief that these deity are closer to one and are powerful. The case of a single all-powerful God is ruled out here. This is polytheism. On the other round, Eledumare is not been worship in Yoruba religion system. Eledumare does not have a dedicated shrine, ordain a special prayer or ask anyone for sacrifice. He does not seek for our faith. He only set everything in motion and interfare not in the system of things. This is classical deism. Yoruba religion system could have been tagged Henotheism but there is no record that Eledumare been worshipped directly. Now you need to understand what polytheism really is. Polytheism is the worship of or belief in multiple deities/gods usually assembled into a pantheon of gods and goddesses, along with their own rituals. In most aspect, the gods and goddesses are representations of forces of nature or ancestral principle, and can be viewed either as autonomous or emanating part of a creator God. All the Orishas are representation of forces of the nature and are been worshipped as part and constellation of Eleduamre. This is polytheism not only in the number of God but belief in the existence of a specific pantheon of distinct deities called Orisha or Imole. Yoruba religion system is far from been monotheism" Eledumare doesn't have any feelings attributed to him unlike the God of the Israelites that gets jealous, angry, turns back on his words etc... If a parallel is to be established with Yoruba cosmology, Yahweh is way lesser than Eledumare and is in parallel with the other 400 Irunmole 2 Likes |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 7:56pm On Feb 12, 2017 |
Haoqi24: You keep dodging the germane part. I mentioned 114 deities of Egypt and 200+1 of Yoruba and not 400+1. Firstly, accept it that Yoruba did lived in Egypt but weren't on the same level of God worshipping with the Egyptians . Where do the other 200 umole/ Imole came from in Yoruba land? These 200+1 are the irunmoles being appeased daily, round the year minus one day at ILE IFE in Yoruba land . However,being an Aborisha or not has no big attachment to it. Either one like it or not, a Yoruba born child is directly or indirectly related to one form of worship of Orisha in his or her great grand parents backyard . Ori bi bo wasn't what I laid emphasis on but a form of traditional needed materials in Sacrifice. If to Bo ri, it is very cheap to do because the things you or I need involves kola that's has less than a particular line on it. Let me stop right there on that. I mentioned that ancient Yoruba borrowed the masquerade regalia kind of from NUPE. This has nothing to do with the potency of their Conjuring abilities and faith adduced to non existent things to manifest. The ancient Yoruba had faith, though, certain things were used to bring believe to manifestation but it was faith. Take for instance, if someone who doesn't believe in Yoruba tradition is be told say some incantation, it won't work if such individuals doesn't focus his or her mind and channel all the forces of energy in him or her. It is as simple as this. Having said this, if you have heard when an IFA PRIEST begins his chants on praising Ela, You will understand the personified Eledumare in YAHWEH/EL. If you have contrary views, kindly tell it to us and give a description of Eledumare that's greater than YAHWEH/EL . Others and I am here to learn. |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 7:25am On Feb 14, 2017 |
@Haoqi24........IRUNMOLE(HEREM-IN HEBREW) by SEPTUGENERIAN MODUPE ODUYEYE An irunmọlẹ is a divine being, a spirit entity, who administers an aspect of creation on behalf of the Creator. In our solar system, Olodumare who is regarded as a higher class of irunmọlẹ or another being higher than irunmọlẹs has two hundred of them to his left, two hundred to his right, and four hundred and one that shuttle between Ọrun (the spiritual plane above) and Ile Aye (this planet). They all administer this solar system on behalf of Olodumare, and the four hundred and one are known to interact with humans and engage in superhuman feats. However, there are also a set of humans known as Oriṣas that likewise accomplish superhuman feats, are very revered ancestors, and number four hundred and one. They are so similar to those four hundred and one irunmọlẹs that many regard them as same whilst others argue that they are different but fail to explain their equal numbers. An example has to do with the irunmọlẹ known as Ọranfẹ but whom the historians of Ọyọ prefer to call Ṣango. The nays of Ọyọ argue that the irunmọlẹ and the oriṣa who they identify with that name are totally distinct persons. My opinion is that such distinctions are false, illogical, the creation of some humans, and have served only to distort history. The great flood covered the world marked the end of the third stage of creation and the beginning of the fourth. When this flood was over Olodumare personally created a woman, the first human of this fourth stage, and brought her from Ọrun to Ile Aye and gave her as wife to the irunmọlẹ popularly known as Oduduwa but also known as Oluiwa, Iwa and Ọlọfin Otete. Her name is Ẹni-bi-ẹni (or Ninibinini). Olodumare commanded them to populate Ile Aye and she bore eight sets of twins for her husband. In order to prevent incest, Olodumare ordered some irunmọlẹs to create more humans, and they created more, and more, and more. The irunmọlẹs were led by Ọbatala aka Oṣumare the irunmọlẹ of purity and light, and they worked in teams and adopted various groups of humans. For instance, Ọrunmila the irunmọlẹ of wisdom and prophet of Ifa sired children therefrom who became rulers in Ekiti and his lineage continues till date, just like Oduduwa’s. Thus, the Aku people commonly known as Ọmọ Oduduwa can be described as hybrids of irunmọlẹs and humans. Is it impossible for any of the sixteen children of Oduduwa to give birth to him? Is it impossible for any of the descendants of Ọrunmila to give birth to him? Oluorogbo, an irunmọlẹ from Ọbatala’s team, along with some others then created without any order from Olodumare the last set of humans who are the oyinbo. These oyinbo were expelled for rejecting their makers and refusing to stop committing unnatural abominations, and they accepted to serve some rejected beings. Among these rejects included the likes of Zeus, Poseidon, etc, who took their women as wives and thus had offspring. This is well recorded in the history of the Indo-Europeans. Now, the possibility of departed parents returning via birth as children of their offspring, a phenomenon called reincarnation, is a basic fact among various cultures all over the world. In the odu of Ifa called Ọyẹku Ọṣẹ, Ọrunmila teaches that: Ire ni Amuniwaye fi iku ṣe Omi ti ko ṣan siwaju, ti ko ṣan sẹhin A a di omi ọgọdọ Ọgọdọ omi i bajẹ, omi ẹ gbin Omi n gbe wọn lọ rere Omi n gbe wọn bọ rere Olokunrun ka a re’le lo gbawo tuntun bọ wa’ye Translation: The creator uses death as a blessing Water that does not flow forth, that does not flow back Becomes stagnant Stagnant water becomes bad, becomes impure Water carries them away to a good place Water brings them back in wellness Let the invalid go home to get a new vessel (body) and come back to this world Since reincarnation is possible, then parents who are irunmọlẹs can return via birth, and, since each of us has a unique destiny, such offspring would retain their irunmọlẹish destiny. Thus, as they come of age and fulfill their destinies, they would accomplish the same superhuman feats as when irunmọlẹs – however, since humans forget their destinies and lives as they cross from Ọrun to Ile Aye, I don’t yet know if they would also forget theirs. Thus, it is possible for the four hundred and one irunmọlẹs to live among humans as humans and they would be of the same number. There are a set of humans who, according to the history of the Ọmọ Oduduwa, number four hundred and one and accomplish great feats. They are known as orisa. According to the odu called Iwori Odi, There is no childbearing woman who cannot give birth to an Ifa priest There is no childbearing woman who cannot give birth to Ọrunmila Our father, if he gives birth to us in full, inevitably we shall in time give birth to him in turn Our mother, if she gives birth to us in full, inevitably we shall in time give birth to her in turn Here, Olodumare explicitly informs us that reincarnation via birth and rebirth is possible, and that irunmọlẹs can be reincarnated likewise. There was even no need for the previous paragraphs as this verse is self-explanatory. Ọrunmila is cited as an example implying that he has been born sometime in the past as an orisa and/or might be living with us now as same and/or might be born in the future as same. On this blog I have argued that the biblical Moses is the orisa phase of Ọrunmila whose name in that age was probably Moṣebọlatan. Some others that I have tried to point out include: Irunmọlẹ Oṣumare/ Eṣumare/ Ọbatala/Ẹla Ẹlẹgbara Ogun Ọṣọosi Ibu Agana Eri Aganju Ọranfẹ/Aramfẹ Oduduwa Ọlọsa Olokun Oluorogbo Ọbaluaye Obarese Orisa Oṣumare/ Eṣumare Eṣu Laalu Ajaka/Ọkanbi Ọranmiyan/Aku Sungbọ Daodu Ọranfẹ/Aramfẹ Oluiwa/Iwa Ọsaara Olokun biblical Aaron biblical Lazarus Obalufon |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 7:19pm On Feb 14, 2017 |
METAPHYSICAL CONCEPT OF ORI AND ELEDUMARE/OLODUMARE IN YORUBA LAND( by AWO DINO'S YORUBA METAPHYSICAL CONCEPT OF ORI)IN DIRECT SEMBLANCE WITH ANCIENT GOD OF ISRAEL Ifa Osa Ogunda There-were-no-living-things Was the priest on earth That-which-was-suspended But-did-not-descend Was the priest in heaven All-was-just-empty-space With-no-substance Was the priest of Mid-Air It was divined for Aiye and Orun* When they both exited With no inhabitants In the two empty snail shells, There were neither birds nor spirits Living in them Odumare then created himself Being the Primal cause Which is the reason we call Odumare The only wise one in aiye He is the only cause in creation, The only wise one in Orun, Who created humans. When He had no companion, He applied wisdom to the situation To avert any disaster. You, alone, The only one in Orun Is the name of Odumare The only wise one, We give you thanks, The only knowing mind, You created man. Listening to one side of an argument, You judge, and all are pleased. Ase *Aiye is the visible realm; Orun the invisible realm. Most confuse these two words to mean earth and heaven. Hopefully, when you finish reading this material, you will be able to come back and make sense of the above ese (verse) Odu. In Odu Ifa Osa Ogunda, part of a verse says, “Iri tu wili tu wili la fi da ile aye, la bu da ile,” which means, “Dews pouring lightly, pouring lightly, was used to create the earth world in order that goodness could come forth into existence at once.” The dew drops are particles of Oro – primordial matter - contained in the snail shell. Once empty, it remains as the representation of the base of causation from which matter derived. The “goodness” speaks to eniyan – human beings, which brought goodness to earth. The oro then melted and was suspended in mid-air (referred to in the above Odu verse as the “priest of mid-air”). Oro then dropped; Oro, the cause of great concern for the wise and experienced elders It sounds, “Ku” (making the heart miss a beat) “Ke” (as a ponderous object hitting the ground) “Gi” (making the last sound before silence) and “La”, with a loud cracking sound is transformed into a new state called “Ela.” Ela is part of the Orunmila complex. Orunmila can be considered the anthropomorphic representation of Olodumare’s wisdom - ogbon, knowledge – imo, and understanding – oye; the most powerful particles or elements in the earth-dust or droppings. Orunmila’s connection to Ori is fundamental to the Ori complex. He is “Eleri Ipin”, the deity of fate. He was present at the moment of creation, and thus knows the fate of every Ori. He acts as the mediator between a person and their Ori through his ability to speak the words of Ifa as they relate to the individual Ori and its destiny. Ifa is the Oracle. Ela is that invisible energy that moves between the oracle and Orunmila, and between Ori and Olodumare – the umbilical cord. Ela is Oro after it hits the primordial abyss. Oro, as primordial matter, has an innate urge to communicate. The oro that drops from the elderly is stupendous It was divined for oro-oro-oro Who did not have anyone to communicate with and started groaning HOORO, HOO-ORO! (Ogbon, Imo, Oye, descend!) Olodumare made HOO (Ogbon, Imo, Oye) HOO descended to become Hoo-ro (I can’t help but notice the similarity between Hoo-ro and Horus) Ela made Oro digestible and useful to human needs Ela is the manifestation of the primal urge to communicate. It is the link between human and God; human and human; and human and the universe. This extensionistic conception, prevalent in all religions, is Oro, which manifested is Ela. Its individual manifestation is Ori. The Snail can be viewed as the principle of natural extensionism which forms a basis for that which can be seen and that which cannot; the physical Ori (your skull), and Ori-inu (consciousness, soul). There is a Yoruba phrase, Ori-Ooro, which means, “head at dawn,” dawn being the beginning obviously. Thus, Ori is Oro, and Oro is Ori: Ori lo nda eni Esi ondaye Orisa lo npa eni da O npa Orisa da Orisa lo pa nida Bi isu won sun Aye ma pa temi da Ki Ori mi ma se Ori Ki Ori mi ma gba abodi Ori is the creator of all things Ori is the one that makes everything happen, before life happens He is the Orisa that can change humans No one can change the Orisa Ori, the Orisa that changes the life of man with baked yam (abundance) Aye*, do not change my fate (* Aye - unity of the forces of good and evil) Ori do not let people disrespect me Ori do not let me be disrespected by anyone My Ori, do not accept evil This extensionalistic concept (from God to human), that our Ori is composed of a portion of Oro (each Ori receives a portion with its own special combination of elements contained in the earth-dust – oro - from the snail shell, thus each ori’s individuality) is further elucidated in the sayings, Ori lo da ni, enikan o d’Ori o (It is the Head that created us; nobody created the Head), and Ori eni, l’Eleda eni (one’s Head is one’s Creator), and also in the following oriki: Ori lo da mi Eniyan ko o Olorun ni Ori lo da mi Ori is my Creator It is not man It is Olorun (Olodumare) Ori is my Creator Olodumare made Hoo, which is comprised of three of the most powerful elements contained in the “earth-dust” sprinkled from the Snail shell – Ogbon (wisdom), Imo (knowledge), and Oye (understanding). “Ro” means descend, as in the chant, Ela ro, Ela ro, Ela ro. It is said that Olodumare created Ogbon, Imo and Oye as an intermediary force for creating more beings. IT tried to find a place for them to live, but they came back to IT, humming, and Olodumare swallowed them. They hummed inside IT for millennia, so IT had to get rid of them. Olodumare ordered them to “ro” descend, saying, “hoo-ro.” Oro, the solid matter, melted and was suspended in mid-air like jelly. Oro then dropped and “la” cracked into a new state called E-la, or Ela. Ela (the Spirit of Purity) functions in the Ifa divination complex as the embodiment of Ogbon, Imo, and Oye. Ela is the recognized authoritative source of communication and explanation of the nature of Olodumare and all ITs creation (Abiodun). Who was the first to speak? Ela was the first to speak. Who was the first to communicate? Ela was the first to communicate. Who is this Ela? It was the Hoo which descended That we call Ela. In Odu Ogunda Ogbe, we find more references to Snail and Oro: He Made Divination for the Snail in Orun Aba she kere mu legun, Odifa fun ibikunle to ma nu kan kunle ara le The-umbrella-tree-is-short-when-young-but-a-little-later-it-will-become -taller-than-the-roof-of-the-house. That was the name of the Awo who made divination for Ibikunle, when she was single-handedly going to populate her house by herself. Ibikunle is the heavenly name of the Snail and it means the one who produced enough children to fill his or her house. She was advised to make ebo with hen, rat and fish. She made the ebo and began to produce children to fill her house. When it appears at divination for a woman anxious to have children, she will be advised to make ebo because she will have so many children that she will eventually be tired of having more.He Later Divined for his Friend Oro Okon kpoki, Erigidí kpií, adita fun Oro nijo ti Oro wo orun kenge kenge. One-sharp-sound and one-loud-sound (“Ku” and “Ke”) are the names of the Awos who made divination for Oro when he was so ill that he thought he was going to die, (figure of speech) when he was looking forlornly at Orun from his spot hanging in the air. He was advised to make ebo with eko, akara, rat, fish and a chicken. After preparing the ebo, the Ifa priests told him to carry it on his head (ori) to Esu’s shrine. He was further told that on getting to the shrine, he was to back it and incline his head backwards in such a way that the ebo would drop on the shrine (acknowledging Esu as that liminal space between orun and aiye, dark and light). As soon as he allowed the sacrifice to drop on the Esu shrine, while still backing up to Esu, a voice instructed him to stretch his hands and feet forward. First, he stretched out his left limbs and next his right limbs (with Esu’s help, he makes the transition from the invisible plane to the visible plane. Left limbs darkness, right limbs light). The moment he did that, the disease that had afflicted his body to the point of incapacitation suddenly disappeared. From the shrine, he began to dance and sing towards the house in praise of the Awo. The Awo praised Ifa, and Ifa praised Olodumare. When he began to sing, Esu put a song in his mouth: ljo logo ji jo, erigidi kpii, erigidi. ljo logo ji jo, erigidi kpi-kpi-kpí, erigidí. He was singing in praise of Orunmila and his two surrogates for the miraculous healing he had just experienced. When this odu appears at divination in ibi (negative manifestation) the client will be told that he or she is suffering from a disease which he or she is concealing, but will be advised to make ebo to get rid of it. If the indication is ire (positive manifestation), then the person will be told to be expecting some gift or favor. In the ese (verse) above regarding Snail, we see that Snail is also known as Ibikunle, “the one who produced enough children to fill his or her house.” This is a praise name. It refers to the the Snail’s role in creating everything in the universe, in this case the earth including humans. In the verse following the one about snail, regarding Oro, we find in the names of the Awo, reference to the sounds of Oro dropping and becoming Ela (the Spirit of Purity which represents Ogbon, Iwo and Oye). |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 8:26am On Feb 18, 2017 |
DOES OLORUN/ELEDMARE NOT HAVE SIMILARITY WITH ISRAELI' GOD IN GENESIS 1 vs3: God said:...said Mean..spoken word.. IN JOHN 1 vs1-3; In the beginning was the word,and the word was with God, and the word was God vs2; the same was in the beginning. vs3;All things were made by him and without him nothing was not any thing made. vs4; in him was life; and life was the light of men. This extensionalistic concept (from God to human), that our Ori is composed of a portion of Oro (each Ori receives a portion with its own special combination of elements contained in the earth-dust – oro - from the snail shell, thus each ori’s individuality) is further elucidated in the sayings, Ori lo da ni, enikan o d’Ori o (It is the Head that created us; nobody created the Head), and Ori eni, l’Eleda eni (one’s Head is one’s Creator), and also in the following oriki: Ori lo da mi Eniyan ko o Olorun ni Ori lo da mi Ori is my Creator It is not man It is Olorun (Olodumare) Ori is my Creator Olodumare made Hoo, which is comprised of three of the most powerful elements contained in the “earth-dust” sprinkled from the Snail shell – Ogbon (wisdom), Imo (knowledge), and Oye (understanding). “Ro” means descend, as in the chant, Ela ro, Ela ro, Ela ro. It is said that Olodumare created Ogbon, Imo and Oye as an intermediary force for creating more beings. IT tried to find a place for them to live, but they came back to IT, humming, and Olodumare swallowed them. They hummed inside IT for millennia, so IT had to get rid of them. Olodumare ordered them to “ro” descend, saying, “hoo-ro.” Oro, the solid matter, melted and was suspended in mid-air like jelly. Oro then dropped and “la” cracked into a new state called E-la, or Ela. Ela (the Spirit of Purity) functions in the Ifa divination complex as the embodiment of Ogbon, Imo, and Oye. Ela is the recognized authoritative source of communication and explanation of the nature of Olodumare and all ITs creation (Abiodun). Who was the first to speak? Ela was the first to speak. Who was the first to communicate? Ela was the first to communicate. Who is this Ela? It was the Hoo which descended That we call ELA |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by lawani: 7:14pm On Feb 19, 2017 |
CANAANITE IS A BIBLE TERMINOLOGY JUST LIKE PERSIA. CANAANITE IS PHOENICIAN TO HISTORIANS. THEY APPEARED TOWARDS WHEN EGYPT WAS WINDING UP AND THEIR LANGUAGE IS THE ANCESTOR OF ALL SEMITIC LANGUAGES INCLUDING HEBREW AND ARABIC. THE CLOSEST LANGUAGE TO PHOENICIAN IS HEBREW. IT IS ESSENTIALLY PHOENICIAN. WHO ARE THE CLOSEST RELATIVES TO PHOENICIANS OR CANAANITES? I WILL SAY THE LEBANESE. SO WHAT IS THE CORRELLATION BETWEEN PHOENICIA AND YORUBAS WHO SPEAK A KEMITIC EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE THAT DOMINATED ASIA MINOR BEFORE PHOENICIA?. THE CANAANITES WE HAVE ARE THE JEWS AND ARABS THEMSELVES. THEY ARE CANAANITES JUST LIKE THE SPANISH, FRENCH, ITALIAN, PORTUGUESE ARE ROMANS. IF YOUR DEFINITION OF MONOTHEISM IS WORSHIP OF ONLY ONE GOD, THEN I SAY MINE IS THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF ONLY ONE GOD TOO BIG TO BE WORSHIPPED. THAT IS THE CULTURAL THEOLOGY THROUGHOUT WEST AFRICA. THE GOD OF WEST AFRICAN CULTURAL THEOLOGY IS NOT A PARTISAN LIKE THE BIBLE OR QURAN GOD. 1 Like |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by lx3as(m): 8:30pm On Feb 19, 2017 |
Olu317: I like you and your work. Eledumare a maa gbe yin lowo soke, e pe fun wa. I hope you are also documenting all your write up on Nairaland? Yorubas amaze me with their spirituality; this seems to be inborn with each of true Yoruba. Hence the survival of their religion, tradition and culture worldwide. Yoruba spirituality only compares with Jews and I have been observing this; just look at the 'a kehinde gbegbon' story, it's simply Jacob and Esau's story. Also Moremi and her son, Eti story, is simply Mary and Jesus' story. Eti died on Friday, there was Abameta's meeting on Saturday, Ojo Aiku, Sunday means he rose... My findings showed that A Jewish Tribe came earlier to stay with the ancient Atlantis people around present Akure, Ikere, Owo, Ife regions. There were subsequent journeys from the "East". Some groups of Christian Phoenicians even followed some Jews to present Yorubaland, though through the sea, some came from Saudi peninsula through Yemen to Kushland and to Ife. There were routes through Egypt to Bornu to either Zaria to Igboho to Ife or to Adamawa to Khurarafa to Igalaland and to Akoko, Ekiti, etc. The last Jewish group came from Spain through Morocco to Mauritania to Mali (where Banawa people stopped) to Ondo-Ekiti axis with Torah. There should be archeological research around Akure to unearth some vital instruments of information about this. Ekitis call father, Aba or Aaba instead of Baba and they are very very spiritual. I always have this belief that Yorubas have something in common with Jews and to Yorubas, Eledua decision is final and supersedes all other gods or deities. In my town, masquerade is forbidden. We Worship Ogun, Osun, Obatala, Agboniregun, etc. Before we went to war or for hunting, we worshipped Ogun and observed Esu ( for his mischiefs ) for the instruments we were going to use. However, our success lied in 'Ori', fate and the decision of Eledua. We believed strongly in 'Egiri-oke', Heavenly Angels or Army, fighting on our side for victory. We extolled Orisa-oke more but worshipped orisa-oko and forbid masquerade because it's foreign to our land. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 9:22pm On Feb 19, 2017 |
lx3as:You have well said. The Yoruba are a complete set of ISRAEL GROUP. The settlement structure testifies. The oriki testifies( genealogically,Yoruba will trace their ancestors), this is only a trait of Israel. Yoruba Eledumare is equivalent of almighty God with the qualities. He was even more described in Yoruba IFA and he was said to have robbed his head with OYERISUN(WHITE POWDER SUBSTANCE ON HIS) WHICH MEANS HE HIS AGELESS. HE SPOKE AND SAID AGAIN IN ONE PART OF IFA OGUDU and declared; He cannot die(This is the same personality with ISRAEL GOD THE TORAH, THERE IS A PART OF THE ANCIENT SCROLL CALLED “IDI" WHICH IS STILL BEING WORSHIPPED AT ILE IFE, THIS IDI PREDATES THE TIME OF JESUS CHRIST ON EARTH. THEN AFTER THE ASSASSINATION OF TWO KINGS OF JUDAH AND ISRAEL DURING JEHU'S TIME IN ANCIENT ISRAEL, THE SKULL OF THE DIVINE KINGS OF ISRAEL THAT WERE BEING WORSHIPPED IN ANCIENT ISRAEL IS BEING WORSHIPPED UNDER THE NAME OF OBATALA. THERE ARE NO TRACES OF SO MANY KINGS IN YORUBA LAND YET THEY ARE PART OF OUR HISTORICAL KINGS . YORUBA GROUP IS THE ONLY GROUP THAT CLAIMED GOD AS THEIR FATHER THROUGH OUT ALL THEIRB HISTORY EITHER FROM ORUNMILA, OBATALA OR ODUA. AND THEY BACKED IT UP WITH ODU IFA. NO OTHER TRIBES HAVE THIS STRONG EVIDENCE YET WE DON'T CLAIM IT BECAUSE WE SEE OURSELVES AS THE MOST SUPERIOR HUMAN BEINGS ON EARTH. THIS WAS THE SAME EGOCENTRIC IDEOLOGY OF ISRAELITES. IF YOU READ JOHN 9 vs 41 WHEN JESUS WAS ACCUSED OF BLASPHEMY,THEY CLAIMED “GOD IS OUR FATHER" . HOWEVER, THE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMELS BACK WAS THE PROFESSOR EMERITUS DIERK LANGE, WHO STUDIED THE YORUBA CULTURE VERY WELL IN COMPARISON WITH ANCIENT ISRAEL AND SAW IT AS THE SAME PEOW BUT THAT WE HAVE BEEN INFLUENCED IN AFRICA THROUGH INTER MARRIAGES AND ADOPTION OF OTHER CUSTOMS BUT CERTAIN TRADITION REMAINED INTACT AS IT RELATES TO GOD AND ISRAEL IDENTITY .. WELL, I AM A CORE YORUBA AND WAS BORN FOR PURPOSE LIKEWISE EVERY OTHER INDIVIDUALS. LET US WORK TO ASCERTAIN OUR IDENTITY THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENT.. 1 Like |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by hayoholla(m): 12:11am On Feb 21, 2017 |
As much as I am a avid reader and researcher of anything history, I will not subscribe to the notion of a word in a "language" being the corrupted form of the same word in different language, especially in history. The mistake we all make when unravelling histories and laying them bare to clear the curiosity of 21st century man, especially in area of word etymology and human language is using english as a basis of stripping the meaning of older and near extinct language, which is wrong. We forget to remember that there are thousands of language that predates the engish language. The thing is no matter how old or extinct a language might be, they tend to evolve! I can categorically say no language is never extinct, all we have is evolution of languages. The language you and I speaks today are of course not the original language of the particular tribe we belong to. So what I am saying in essence is that before any old or recent/new language can be translated, there must be a corresponding/similar language that stems from such language. This means the recent lnguage we speak is newer verion of the generic language peculiar to the tribe we belong to. Why am I arguing this? The reason is saying the ijebu pple are also the descandant of the jebusite is very lazy attempt to strip language/history of her veil. How come you use english word to validate a yoruba word! Because they are similar in pronunciation does not lay credence to their link, its absurd! Cant type longer than this, thanks 1 Like |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 9:25am On Feb 21, 2017 |
Haoqi24:...WHY DO YORUBA LAND HAVE A SPIRITUAL HOME CALLED ILE IFE? WHY DO YORUBA HAVE A KING AND PRIEST AS ONE HEAD KING OVER ALL OTHER KINGS? IT WAS ONLY IN ISRAEL THAT SUCH HAPPENED IN ANCIENT TIMES....READ STORY OF MODI'IN DYNASTY.... JERUSALEM WAS THE ONLY SPIRITUAL HOME OF ISRAEL.... DAVIDIC LINEAGE WAS THE HEAD KING OF ALL OTHER KINGS...OYO KINGDOM AND ILE KINGDOM LOOK LIKE THE PROTOTYPE OF JERUSALEM AND NOTHERN ISRAEL......I REST MY CASE.. |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by absoluteSuccess: 11:02am On Feb 21, 2017 |
Olu317: You r doing a great job sire. |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 11:36am On Feb 21, 2017 |
absoluteSuccess:THANK YOU DEAR BROTHER. HOW ARE YOU DOING? |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by absoluteSuccess: 12:03pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
Olu317: I'm feeling lucky to have your hands on the oars. I have a gift for you on this your Yoruba/Hebrew project. Its the little that I think will go a long way to help you as a Seer.. 1 Like |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 12:49pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
hayoholla:EL IS NOT AN ENGLISH WORD BUT PURE HEBREW WORD FOR GOD SAME IN YORUBA. ELA WAS THE THE FIRST SPOKEN WORD OF GOD. THEN ELEDUMARE WAS HIS NAME. HIS OTHER NAMES INCLUDE ELEDUA,ELEDA,OLORUN,ORISA OKE,etc. YORUBA, WHEREVER THEY ARE LINKED TO ISRAEL. SOME THOUGH MARRIED YORUBA WOMEN, HISTORY HAVE RECORD OF THEM. THAT'S HOW FAR YORUBA KNOW THEMSELVES. |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 1:05pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
absoluteSuccess:I AM HAPPY HAVING SOMEONE WHO SEES BEYOND ILE IFE. I WILL BE HONOURED TO RECEIVE IT. I HAVE HISTORY OF ISRAEL PRESENCE IN EGYPT A. K. A YORUBAS(16TH CENTURY NAME) |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 1:32pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
absoluteSuccess:...“SEER" YOU MENTIONED? THAT'S A BIG TITLE BUT I DON'T THINK I AM.. BETTER AND WELL INFORMED PEOPLE HAVE EXCEL GREATLY ON THIS SUBJECT MATTER... |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Haoqi24: 1:50pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
Olu317: God Bless you |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 3:35pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
Haoqi24:GOD BLESS YOU TOO. HOW ARE YOU DOING BRO? |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by absoluteSuccess: 6:48pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
Olu317: Alright here it comes... We have been made to believe that Yoruba ancestors came from Mecca. But in actual sense, its from Abel beth Maca, and not Mecca. The revolutionary that led the Yoruba elements to this place was named Sheba. What does the word sheba connotes in Yoruba? 'One who offend the king'. I think this is the origina Lamurudu that was killed at Maca, and he was the father of Yoruba migration. Now it make sense that the prophet of islam is aware of the Yoruba history hence he said those hebrew who turn aside Allah has cursed. Say, "Shall I inform you (of) worse than that (as) recompense from Allah? Whom Allah has cursed and He became angry with him and made of them [the] apes and [the] swines, and (who) worshipped the false deities. Those (are) worse (in) position and farthest astray from (the) even way." The prophet of Islam is aware of a branch of israelites that has turned to apes, as white racists loved to call blacks (apes obey!). The prophet said: Those of the Children of Israel who went astray were cursed by the tongue of David, and of Jesus, son of Mary. That was because they rebelled and used to transgress. You will observe that going astray may be a way of shading the migration of the Yoruba and to portray the opinion that it did not receive the blessing of David (or Jesus) There is hidden history in this. |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 9:09pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
absoluteSuccess:This is interesting indeed. But the Sheba couldn't be LAMURUDU because LAMURUDU couldn't be the person called as SHEBA. The account narrated as it regard coming from MECCA DOESN'T HAVE any PROOF of any king killed in MECCA DURING THAT TIME . HISTORIANS have traced Yoruba to that lent, NO account of such existed in SAUDI ARABIA. I stand to be corrected on this. Another one was the issue of “IDI" as being referred to as the Arabic inscription in ILE IFE being worshipped. This also isn't true because YORUBA MIGRATION WHEN WAR started in MODI'IN that was mistaken to be MECCA was the only place close to the story narrated by ODUA after the father of ODUA was killed. Yoruba had existed before Islam was born. In fact, before JESUS CHRIST was born. And JESUS CHRIST TEACHING HAD EXISTED FOR FIVE HUNDRED (500) YEARS before ISLAM was brought about by PROPHET MOHAMMED. This also have no link to Yoruba because IDI had lived before ISLAM. Two groups have influence on Yoruba; Egyptian language but different way of worshipping the Supreme DEITY. In Egypt tradition, their god is not the owner of all things but given different unlike Yoruba whose Supreme God is the owner of all things including“spoken word " and life. The other group is the Israelites but YORUBA are dark skinned and the world find it hard to believe that ISRAELITES can live in the deep forested Western part of Hams nation. But we share certain things in common even if one seems to be a corrupted. Some of the things we share in common; levirate marriage, greeting of prostration, supreme king as priest over the whole people while other kings exist, a place called Holy land, circumcision of children,twins(kehinde gbe gbon,the people that has the highest twin birth in the world, El as references to God El-A, ELEDUA, ELEDA, all these are synonyms of ISRAEL.... AND BOTH COUNTRIES EGYPT AND ISRAEL HAVE HAD CONTACT WITH YORUBA BECAUSE WITHOUT CONTACT WE CANT HAVE THEIR KNOWLEDGE OR LANGUAGE SIMILARITY. THIS IS MORE. REASON THE EVIDENCE SHOWED CLEARLY THAT YORUBA ARE ISRAELITES. REMEMBER, ISRAEL LIVED IN EGYPT DURING SLAVERY FOR 430 YEARS. THEN I ASK YOU, WHAT LANGUAGE WOULD ISRAELITES HAD SPOKEN IN EGYPT? |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by absoluteSuccess: 9:43pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
Olu317: I suppose to put the Lamurudu in quote, don't mind my poor punctuation at times. I don't mean Nimrod. I only hope I make some sense to you with my post, it means a lot to me. 1 Like |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 6:13am On Feb 22, 2017 |
absoluteSuccess:FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF LAMURUDU, IT TALLY WITH NIMROD ACCOUNT AS HE WAS KILLED BY DESCENDANT OF ABRAHAM. However, I haven't come across another person called LAMURUDU. IN FACT,in one school of thought, the story of Lamurudu was being referred to as a place where Yoruba migrated from and their king was killed. And the place of LAMURUDU(NIMROD WAS BABYLONIA. I don't have any doubt about your view though but it will do me a great pleasure if you can open up more fact on the subject because RESEARCHERS ONLY OPERATE THROUGH ORAL, WRITTEN AND ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT PEOPLE'S CLAIM. THE LATTER WHICH STAND MORE AS THE BASIS FOR STANDARD CLAIMS... ORAL HISTORY CAN BE BIAS THOUGH, IT IS A GUIDE BUT WRITTEN EVIDENCE HELPS AND ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE PROOF THE EXISTENCE OF HISTORY |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by absoluteSuccess: 7:13am On Feb 22, 2017 |
Olu317: Lamurudu was coined by Revd. Samuel Johnson as alternative to Nimrod. Before that time, no Lamurudu occur in Yoruba history that I know of. Namrusu is of islamic folklore of known to Yoruba muslims. It is believed that he died when a mosquito enter his nostril. He was said to be boastful to God. Was he killed by the descendants of Abraham? He may be third generation to Abraham and was the founder of Babylon, where Abraham was born. The story of slain Lamurudu is lifted from the quranic version of how Abraham came from pagan background, but the holy bible account contradicted this story. Terah, Abraham's father was in the train of migrants from beyond the river euphrate when he migrated to Canaanland, on a pilgrimage inspired journey. Now the anchor of Yoruba history as fashioned by Johnson is based on a contradicted story from islamic angle, which is now 'appropriated' as Yoruba history. From biblical point of view, God called Abraham out of his fatherland, Ur of Chardians, later the prophet of islam had an incredible story based on this. It is this incredible story that Revd. Samuel Johnson prefer as Yoruba history, this was what can sell at that time, Johnson had the inkling that Yoruba has Hebrew elements in her culture, he did hint on Moremi and Ela as being identical with Mary and Jesus, he downplayed the lead and claimed ancient Yorubas were coptic christians. He needed to send his work to be published in britain, he won't make a claim contrary to what the doctrine of the colonial master s were at the time. |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 8:28am On Feb 22, 2017 |
absoluteSuccess:.YES, LAMURUDU WAS TO SHOW MORE EVIDENCE OF YORUBA MIGRATION FROM MIDDLE EAST BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T ACCESS TO INTERNET BUT BASED ON ORAL. HISTORY. AND PERHAPS, THE ORIGINAL VERSION WAS TO SHOW HOW NIMROD REALLY SUBDUED THE ISRAELITES BECAUSE NIMROD WAS A BLACK MAN OF HAMITIC RACE AND TERAH, WHO WAS THE FATHER OF ABRAM SERVED NIMROD BEFORE HE WAS KILLED BY ESAU ON ONE HISTORICAL BOOK. THIS COULD ACTUALLY BE THE MOVEMENT ODUA AND HIS GROUP TOLD THEIR CHILDREN WHEN FATHERS TELLS MOONLIGHT STORY TO THEIR CHILDREN(ASSUMPTION)LET TELL YOU THAT JOASH(OLUASO) APPEAR IN YORUBA HISTORY AS A KING,HUISI(HOSEA)APPEAR AS A KING OF YORUBA AND MANY. MORE BEFORE ODUA MERGED ALL SMALL KINGDOMS TOGETHER. THE TWELVE TRIBES OR ISRAEL ARE IN FACT THIRTEEN. THERE ARE TWIN AMONGST THEM AND TWO WAS MERGED MERGED AS ONE. NAMES OF CHILDREN OF ET SHOCK YOU WITH THE AMAZING DISCOVERY WAS THAT ISRAEL HAD THIRTEEN TRIBES CONVERTED TO TWELVE BECAUSE THEY ARE TWIN. IT MEANS ONE STOOD AS LEVI,WHO HAD NO LANDED PROPERTIES BUT PRIESTHOOD. YORUBA HAVE THIRTEEN COMMUNITY MERGED AS ONE. HOW CAN THESE SIMILARITIES TO SHOWN? Perhaps, ILE IFE IS A REFERENCE TO WHO THEY WERE AND STILL OPERATES IN THAT CLOSELY RELATED FORMATION. I DON'T KNOW ANY DEEP INFORMATION ON THIS YET BUT I KNOW ILE IFE HAVE THIRTEEN COMMUNITY MERGED AS ONE AND ISRAEL HAD THIRTEEN COMMUNITY MERGED AS ONE. |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by absoluteSuccess: 9:56am On Feb 22, 2017 |
Olu317: That's great. Its a very old world full of discoveries and discoveries to be made. |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Haoqi24: 11:03am On Feb 22, 2017 |
Olu317: God is faithful... How bout you? |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 11:33am On Feb 22, 2017 |
absoluteSuccess:THESE AND MORE MADE IT EASY FOR WESTERN RESEARCHERS TO DRAW THE PARALLEL LINE OF LEVANT WAY OF WORSHIP IN YORUBA TRADITION. EVEN ODUA AND HIS PEOPLE SEEMS TO HAVE EXISTED SOMEWHERE ELSE BUT ILE IFE PROBABLY WAS MAKING REFERENCE TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM WHICH COULD BE J'UDAH .THERE IS EVEN A WORD IN ANCIENT YORUBA CALLED “ JUBA" (SALUTATION). I HAVE READ STORY OF YORUBA BEING CALLED USERE - MAGBO AT ONE TIME ACCOUNT OF ODUA OR BETTER STILL BEING CALLED ADIMULA(ADIMUELA) ODUA AND THE ACCOUNT OF COMING AND APPEARING LIKE A SPY IN FORM OF “JOSHUA". THERE IS AN ACCOUNT MISSING AND THAT ACCOUNT WILL BE REVEALED Ife Traditions Ife tradition, relates that Oduduwa was an emissary from the community of Oke-Ora (Ora mountain), the easternmost part of the Ife cultural area towards the Northeastern Ijesa people. He descended from the Hills on a chain, earning the oriki 'atewonro' meaning 'one who descends on a chain', He was a warrior who wore armors made of Iron. At that time, a Confederacy existed between the 13 communities of the valley of Ile-Ife, with each community or 'Elu' with its own Oba; Oba of Ijugbe, Oba of Ijio, Oba of Iwinrin etc. When Oduduwa rose to be a prominent citizen of ancient Ife, he and his group are believed to have conquered most of the 13 component communities and deposed Obatala , subsequently evolving the palace structure with its effective centralized power and dynasty. Going by the tribal records, he is commonly referred to as the first Ooni of Ife and progenitor of the legitimate kings of the Yoruba people WHAT CAN YOU DEDUCE ABOUT A MAN WHO WORE ARMOR TO A PLACE? |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 12:54pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
Haoqi24:Am good. Up and doing. I hope you are doing more research on causes of Egypt's language influence and Israel's God's name presence as well as USAGE of ram as a sacrifice both in Israel and Yoruba tradition. That's the area I really want you to look deep at. Ijebu mentioned Whydia/Sudan( under ancient Ethiopians / Egyptian Empire) as a place where Yoruba had once lived before. And Ethiopia as another place that showed Yoruba presence as well. In fact two major and outstanding Rabbis whom were coloured Race had touch of Yoruba lineage. Yet Yoruba don't have time to claim that IDENTITY. Even OGBONI had it rooted and written in the BIBLE and not as OGBONI but the description shows. |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 1:21pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
Haoqi24:ASHERAH IN ISRAEL AND ASARA IN YORUBA HISTORY And they forsook all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made for themselves molten images of two calves; and they made an Asherah, and worshiped all the host of heaven, and served Baal. 17 And they burned their sons and their daughters as offerings , and used divination and sorcery, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking him to anger. 18 Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight; none was left but the tribe of Judah only. (2 Kgs. 17:16-18) This has link with the destruction of Northern Israel.. |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Haoqi24: 4:06pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
Olu317: Not Exactly bro, I'm more interested in knowing Yoruba in its original form and not linking it up with ancient civilizations that their writings and folklore has been proven to be either stolen or altered. |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by OlaoChi: 6:49pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
lx3as: i would advise you to dive in deeper and spend more time reading books not only on yoruba history but history of other civilisations. You are still new to all this and can be easily dyed any colour. History is not a belief system, you need evidence following the Historical Method... so far you have done otherwise 1 Like |
| Re: Yoruba The Canaanite - As Narrated By Muhammad Bello, Ruler Of Sokoto Caliphate by Olu317(m): 9:51pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
Haoqi24:I understand your angle. However, many signs and artifacts of Yoruba are mysterious which made it impossible to be isolated from the rest of the world. Another example is Hieroglyph on the Opa Oranmiyan staff at ILE IFE. have you seen it?,It is written for us to unravel the depth of these great men that tactically understand Birds movement, animals reaction,use of drum to send information across etc. These people are not just AFRICAN SAVAGES. There is a purpose for everything. We children of such a great man and great followers ought to do more discoveries than what they did and excel beyond expectation 1 Like |
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