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|Re: Yoruba Independence by igbo boy(m): 5:34am On Jul 22, 2011|
|Re: Yoruba Independence by ekt_bear: 5:40am On Jul 22, 2011|
You can believe what you like, makes no difference to me
|Re: Yoruba Independence by ekt_bear: 6:53am On Jul 22, 2011|
If I can see some sort of strong economic argument in favor of independence, I'll support it wholeheartedly.
However, imo we'll be in a stronger position to secede once we actually sort out the power situation in the SW and start manufacturing. Manufacturing can replace oil. But w/o it, I'm not sure.
|Re: Yoruba Independence by Negro_Ntns(m): 7:10am On Jul 22, 2011|
I have mixed feelings on this. What % of the SWs GDP essentially comes from oil produced out of that zone?
In a nutshell, what do we do to replace the lost revenue coming from the FG?
Here are some sources:
1. Ondo State produces about 250k barrels a day (10% or so of Nigeria's total)
2. Lagos State port revenue
but will that be enough? And even if it is enough, I think that of the 6 SW states, Oyo, Osun and Ekiti would be in a bit of financial troubles (although in the aggregate this might be made up by financial improvement of Lagos and Ondo.)
Seceding into poverty would be silly. We need some #s and analysis.
In order that we don't dead-end into an emergency situation, it is very important that we negotiate a secured and guaranteed 10yr wind-down of the Western part from Nigeria. The cause will be to the effect that the 10yr clock start on the first sun rise after Yoruba nation is declared independent. It gives us a decade of redemption. This will be kinda like an alimony - the spouse have spent last 40yrs at a settled level of comfortable living which we the lawyers believe will be terminated with fatal risks unless the honorable judge intervene with discretion to give our client a befitting equity in the separation, to include owned assets and treasures or a justifiable amount of money in lieu-of the said treasures.
We do not get out of Nigeria, repeat, no exit without first establishing a govt statute declaring, expressively, the 10yr debt, with provisions on recourse for settlement if the contract is breached.
Meanwhile, beginning first sun rise after independence there is plenty of work to do. We would have to adopt a two pronged approach - 1. Planning and 2 Disipline.
For the planning there are some aspects of economic measures, like GDP, that will need to be suspended and replaced with a more realistic index that accurately define our output.
Even in developed countries, a chunk of their production, particularly in the service industry is not measurable.
To your point on sustainable growth, we need to identify sustainable resources as well sustainable manpower. The law of comparative advantage will still need to be applied as well the cost/benefit ratio of say, cocoa production versus wheat production or gold mining vs oil exploration.
For the discipline begin a 50yr program with the children born on the independence day.
|Re: Yoruba Independence by seanet02(m): 8:02am On Jul 22, 2011|
There should be not much problem though we need lots of planning in Yorubaland if we want to secede. The issue of manufacturing should be helped by Ajaokuta ore. We will have more oil in Ogun, Edo and itshekiri areas. No problems
|Re: Yoruba Independence by PointB: 11:07am On Jul 22, 2011|
waste of effort. you are not going anywhere. u never choose this union; u were forced into it. just like awalowo was unable to get the secession clause inserted in his time, all your academic posturing will come to nullity. Your fate lies with the north and the east. bunch of naive losers!
|Re: Yoruba Independence by Negro_Ntns(m): 11:47am On Jul 22, 2011|
You are probably not aware but I will share with you that if Zik was as wise as that man you mocked:
1. Nobody would have stopped Ojukwu when he declared secession for Biafra.
2. There would not have been a civil war.
3. There would not have had the psychological scar you suffer from today.
4. Your land would not have been demolished and occupied and there would not have been casualties.
5. Rivers/Cross Rivers would have been integral part of Biafra, with the oil and the ports.
6. You would have enjoyed an exclusive wealth and prosperity, not the suffer head you are in today.
So next time you get upset about a Yoruba plan, think of these points. Zik, not Awo, was your downfall.
|Re: Yoruba Independence by PointB: 2:22pm On Jul 22, 2011|
What I read is that Igbo lost the war because of the Yoruba betrayal.
2. There would not have been a civil war.Yea, it only yoruba who will ignore a massacre of their people. Statistics show that more yoruba lost their lives in the numerous clashes in the north. But pacifism or cowardice will hardly make your tribe raise their voice beyond a whisper.
3. There would not have had the psychological scar you suffer from today.People who have psychological problem/scar hide in their corners, afraid of venturing out. That describes the Yorubas more than the Igbos or any other tribe.
I admire the Igbo, because despite all, they rose from the ashes like the phoenix. Today you shiver when they cough. Yet you accuse them of physiologically traumatise; you need a shrink my friend. Igbos ventured out before the war, they still do so today, after the war. What has changed? The Igbos I see here and in real live are people I admire so much. I want to be like them.
4. Your land would not have been demolished and occupied and there would not have been casualties.I can't relate to this. Except you want to explain what you mean. But if I might say, Yoruba land seems more like the occupied land. Occupied by Igbos and other tribes. To the extent that Lagos is declare a no-mans land. Tell me another tale!
5. Rivers/Cross Rivers would have been integral part of Biafra, with the oil and the ports.That is for River/cross-river to decide. But funny enough, I love this one Nigeria thing. Great vision by Zik, to drag Awo by the nose against his wish.
And if Nigeria splits, time spent, and lesson learnt pillaging Lagos and other southern western states wont be a bad one for the non indigenes.
6. You would have enjoyed an exclusive wealth and prosperity, not the suffer head you are in today.No one can say for certain how Biafra would have panned out. The pains a Yorubaman feel seeing people from South East and South South making headway in life despite all those silly stuff your said happened is invaluable. Igbos loss is your loss my friend. Otherwise, you wont be here wishing for a country of your own.
So next time you get upset about a Yoruba plan, think of these points. Zik, not Awo, was your downfall.Zik was a visionary - right or wrongly. Awo has no plans or vsion. He was just plain tribalistic. And by the way, Yorubas plans is what it has been for years, and what it will be. Yorubas can only make plans, they have no guts for anything tangible. You will remain closet Oduduwa republic, until you earn respect from other tribes.
I respect the Igbos, I fear the hausa, I joke with the yorubas. They are my buddies, that is why I can afford to say - Lagos is no mans land, and there is nothing any Yoruba man dead or living can do about it. We know u too well!
|Re: Yoruba Independence by Negro_Ntns(m): 2:27pm On Jul 22, 2011|
Yea, it only yoruba who will ignore a massacre of the people. Statistics show that more yoruba lost their lives in the numerous clashes in the north. But pacifism or cowardice will hardly make your tribe raise their voice beyond a whisper
Wow! When you say statistics, you are talking about data.
Show us the stats or tell we can go to see it for ourselves.
|Re: Yoruba Independence by PointB: 4:29pm On Jul 22, 2011|
You can start with the official list of the Corps members killed during the post election crisis. How many Igbos, Yoruba, and Ijaws were listed there?
For your information there were 5 yorubas, 4 Igbos, and 1 from Bayelsa.
But you would rather unabashedly pretend only Igbos were victims of northerners insatiable appetite for blood, so as to deflect your cowardice.
|Re: Yoruba Independence by Negro_Ntns(m): 4:50pm On Jul 22, 2011|
Really! Are you kidding me!! Lmao!
What's the igbo word for "dummy"?
|Re: Yoruba Independence by PointB: 5:28pm On Jul 22, 2011|
"Awolowo" from what I was told. The dummy was pulled by the nose by Zik and Bello, exactly like a rascal rat!
|Re: Yoruba Independence by ekt_bear: 5:44pm On Jul 22, 2011|
I don't think it is worth your time interacting with this dude. No point having the thread derailed.
|Re: Yoruba Independence by ak47mann(m): 5:45pm On Jul 22, 2011|
PointB:i dey laughooooooo
|Re: Yoruba Independence by PointB: 7:53pm On Jul 22, 2011|
^^^ Abi I no get am?
|Re: Yoruba Independence by PointB: 7:57pm On Jul 22, 2011|
Rather than allow Yoruba independence, we allow the Niger Delta independence and the rest will slug it out in 'Nigeria.' Let see who is the man!
Oduduwa republic will be the last to be granted leave.
|Re: Yoruba Independence by igbo boy(m): 8:13pm On Jul 22, 2011|
|Re: Yoruba Independence by ak47mann(m): 8:46pm On Jul 22, 2011|
PointB:no way don't mind this Yoruba interrnet warriors even self their kins men will slap anyone one them who mention ODUDUWA REP na who go give them guarantee juicy monthly allocation
|Re: Yoruba Independence by PointB: 8:54pm On Jul 22, 2011|
nevertheless, they are free to whisper their secret desires to their sucklings; and remind them of how a certain Zik and a Bello denied their grandfather
Never say 'dummy', say 'awo'
|Re: Yoruba Independence by T9ksy(m): 2:38pm On Jul 23, 2011|
Let's go away seperate ways.
|Re: Yoruba Independence by igbo boy(m): 10:37pm On Jul 25, 2011|
initiate am, we dey behind you, we dey follow una
|Re: Yoruba Independence by T9ksy(m): 12:10am On Jul 26, 2011|
Thanks but no thanks. we do not want any "follow, follow".
Especially igbos-we don't trust you guys so the last place we would want you guys, is behind us.
Eni ani kofe ni loju. . . . . . . . .
We don't even want you guys in the lead. infact, we do not want anything whatsoever to do with you people.
Just do your thing and leave us to do ours. we are not siamese twins.
No collaboration, in the least.
|Re: Yoruba Independence by igbo boy(m): 12:50am On Jul 26, 2011|
enh una think say una smart, ara bawa ndi otu gi,
no be wetin una tell us for 67? say una go follow us if we get liver commot, Now una no wan grow liver, pooosies.Nothing have changed since the days of awo to the present olodowas, na wa o
grow some spheres my dear olodowas
|Re: Yoruba Independence by Negro_Ntns(m): 2:47am On Jul 26, 2011|
Awo said if either of the East seceed, the West will "follow".
. . . . .He did not say if the East "commit suicide", the West will follow.
|Re: Yoruba Independence by ekt_bear: 5:59am On Jul 26, 2011|
Hehe. This is the truth. Imagine, they lost like 30 or 40% of their land within a few months of fighting.
As my dad told me as a kid, "If your friend jumps off a bridge, will you then copy him?"
And in this case, Yoruba and Igbo haven't ever even been friends
|Re: Yoruba Independence by PointB: 10:54am On Jul 26, 2011|
This guy is seriously an awo (read dummy)
You may rejoice over the slaughter or Igbos as you always do, while you convinently forget that your people die in their numbers anytime the abokis sneeze up north)
The cold truth of the matter is that while the Hausas, and the Igbos have their destiny in the their hands, the Yoruba nations will forever have his destiny tied to any or both of the two. If SNC fails to come in 1000 years, it will take some stunt from North or East for the dream of your forebear (odua nation) to become a reality. Not a good thing if u ask me.
As it stands, GEJ does not have the spheres for SNC, your dreams will be stillborn at least for now!
Olodowa Republic my a$$
|Re: Yoruba Independence by T9ksy(m): 2:08pm On Jul 26, 2011|
Follow you go where? Is that how you smarty pants interpreted Awo's statement concerning secession?
Was that why your hero Ojukwu risked the lives of his own people in an ill-prepared, ill-managed and badly-implemented war?
The same Awo that you guys connived with your northern master to place in jail on thrumped-up charges.
The same guy that travelled all the way to your region to plead with your war-mongering ikemba not to go to war and he retorted that the old man is talking platitudes.
Oh well, more fool you guys then.
Tell me, who is the OLODO here?
Like Ekt_bear wrote,
Yoruba and Igbo haven't ever even been friendsEXACTLY and we are not willing to follow you guys, anywhere.
JUST DO YOUR THING AND WE DO OURS!
|Re: Yoruba Independence by ekt_bear: 2:44pm On Jul 26, 2011|
What does any of that have to do with my post? I should have stuck to my previous policy of ignoring m0rons and trolls. I shall continue with that policy now.
|Re: Yoruba Independence by igbo boy(m): 11:32pm On Jul 27, 2011|
arrant write up
Well let me answer your last question- WHo is the olodo you ask? Wetin be [b]olodo[/b]wa? ANuofia u cant even interpret the name u ofe mmanus call urself
|Re: Yoruba Independence by T9ksy(m): 11:45pm On Jul 27, 2011|
Yes I asked you. Even though i had given you some clue but you still couldn't get it.
Yorubas ain't following you igbos anywhere. what an insult!
JUST GO YOUR WAY- WE ARE NOT BROTHERS!!!
|Re: Yoruba Independence by ak47mann(m): 11:52pm On Jul 27, 2011|
T9ksy:before nko? who needs who bro
|Re: Yoruba Independence by PAGAN 9JA(m): 12:14am On Jul 28, 2011|
wow i feel i have stepped into an Igbo vs Yoruba tribal battlefield. I must run away at once.
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