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Democracy means millions of dummies can vote too.

We can't keep sending 70million dummies to the polls every four years,

Democracy is a fallacy that has been countered since the B.C era! Many philosophers debated democracy as a tool for instability!!

So a leader will come in 4years and will transform the nation? That was only possible if we were living in clans. What has been done by one administration can be undone by the next.

Remember Hitler was democratically elected too,


My best philosopher which is also the most unpopular intelligent philosopher who you won't find google searching except you go to libraries said (Shin Tsao): THE MIND OF THE PEOPLE ADORES THE GOOD THINGS IN LIFE BUT THE BEST THINGS IN LIFE ARE GOOD/BAD!

What I pick from this is that we enjoy both the good and bad things in democracy but fail to notice that the bad outweighs the good.


The best leaders in the world aren't elected.

Democracy allows so many crazy things that in the end, we will be doomed.

Democracy which many automatically likes to relate with freedom actually promotes more horror than some other forms of government,

Freedom has been hijacked by elite and corrupt philosophers paid by corps who ascribe freedom to also mean allowing companies to decide the profit margin of commodities,


Democracy is not the answer!!

To be honest, Hitler was a good leader for his country. He did change Germany in just 15 years. Ye i agreed with you. Democracy is not the answer. “A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” Thomas Jefferson

Rgp92:

To be honest, Hitler was a good leader for his country. He did change Germany in just 15 years. Ye i agreed with you. Democracy is not the answer. “A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” Thomas Jefferson

But hitler could have been the leader without the world domination series that came with him!.

This was a man who believed there is something like the "Ayan" race etc, that can't always seat well with others.

We can't pray for another hitler because his left behind ideologies, scientific crew's findings many other things are secretly being used by his enemies!!!

Instead of solving the remaining problems with Nigeria you want to revert to a system where you have no hope or chance in the world of solving anything.

It is a lazy mind's propostion as it provides a convenient excuse - the illusion of of a benevolent dictator. You cite Hitler as if people elected him to become a mass killer. It was in fact the lack of regard for the boundaries of democracy & the desire to be "king of the world" that led him down the abyss.

A well-run democracy is the only known form of government for containing absolute power - it is not 100% foolproof, but all other forms of government produce absolute rulers as the default.

So drop the pen of lazy thinking and let us figure out ways to make our democracy an effective one.

0lumide:

Democracy means millions of dummies can vote too.

We can't keep sending 70million dummies to the polls every four years,

Democracy is a fallacy that has been countered since the B.C era! Many philosophers debated democracy as a tool for instability!!

So a leader will come in 4years and will transform the nation? That was only possible if we were living in clans. What has been done by one administration can be undone by the next.

Remember Hitler was democratically elected too,


My best philosopher which is also the most unpopular intelligent philosopher who you won't find google searching except you go to libraries said (Shin Tsao): THE MIND OF THE PEOPLE ADORES THE GOOD THINGS IN LIFE BUT THE BEST THINGS IN LIFE ARE GOOD/BAD!

What I pick from this is that we enjoy both the good and bad things in democracy but fail to notice that the bad outweighs the good.


The best leaders in the world aren't elected.

Democracy allows so many crazy things that in the end, we will be doomed.

Democracy which many automatically likes to relate with freedom actually promotes more horror than some other forms of government,

Freedom has been hijacked by elite and corrupt philosophers paid by corps who ascribe freedom to also mean allowing companies to decide the profit margin of commodities,


Democracy is not the answer!!

Instead of solving the remaining problems with Nigeria you want to revert to a system where you have no hope or chance in the world of solving anything.

It is a lazy mind's propostion as it provides a convenient excuse - the illusion of of a benevolent dictator. You cite Hitler as if people elected him to become a mass killer. It was in fact the lack of regard for the boundaries of democracy & the desire to be "king of the world" that led him down the abyss.

A well-run democracy is the only known form of government for containing absolute power - it is not 100% foolproof, but all other forms of government produce absolute rulers as the default.

So drop the pen of lazy thinking and let us figure out ways to make our democracy an effective on

Seriously sir, I expected you to be more objective than the above comment!!

How did you come to the conclusion that it was out of laziness that i propose freedom without democracy?

We don't have to take the nonsense that comes with democracy to attain freedom. Freedom is not measured by being able to elect a leader! freedom is suppose to mean you have the right to be all you can be without it having unwanted impact on others,

How can you sit there and argue in 4 lines about how i came to this conclusion?


even if democracy is effective, the effectiveness has the huge possibility of reverse result because again in four years, we send millions who have, religious sentiments, ethnic sentiments, political sentiments and what not to the polls,

Seriously is that what you stand for? We can't have millions who can't even figure how to get by in life go to the polls and expect a good result. No need to be sentimental. Do you think the Saudis will be able to reach where they are infrastructurally should they be voting every 4 years? Forget that they have Sharia and barbaric rules, those rules are not what govern a good leader at all. The leader can be a Sharia supporter and still be corrupt,

I really didn't expect this from you Koruji! Word play aside, please argue objectively with objective reasons with me sir. I may be wayy younger than you but we can argue as class mates you know

I'll admit maybe I'm too lazy to type all my thoughts but that doesn't mean i didn't think things through sir. I'm not lazy minded! my mind is so sharp sir, everytime I speak my mind, my tongue bleed lol

I was expecting people to say what they think, maybe convince me democracy is best but to do that they'll have to argue better than me objectively. I'm not the type of person you'll tell 1+1=2 so you can make me believe you when you say 1+2=60!!

Also I'm not saying we do away with everything democratic but the aspect of dummies voting is worse than having a dictator,

Hitler to name a few are examples of leader who were elected!

A power hungry man will get power drunk! A good leader put there for as long as he is good is what we need not a different leader every four or 8years!!,

Gaddafi maybe ideologically/diplomatically irrational but to his people, let's be honest, he served their purpose though at the cost of their freedom which he infringed not take away entirely,

If you have ever been to Libya before the war sir, you will know he fought to protect the dignity of his people and provided for them too.


No system of government is universal for humanity sir, freedom should be!!!!!!!

There is nothing like freedom without democracy that is why I called it "lazy thinking" - not that you are lazy, far from it. Our solutions to issues in Nigeria are based on "lazy thinking" so I am not trying to make any personal judgments.

Look at the examples you gave. Libya and Saudi Arabia - all they have is oil and a relatively small population (Saudi - <28million/Libya -<7 million ). They have no freedom nor good leaders. I think you are making incomparable comparisons - you are comparing a Libya/Saudi Arabia to a Nigeria in judging democracy. The appropriate comparisions are a Libya/Saudi Arabia w/o & w/democracy. Or a Norway with a Saudi Arabia. Nigeria is not yet a "democracy" - 50 years of existence with more than half of it under military dictators is not one.

Hitler turned into a dictator - when he was elected he wasn't one. He was a people's man until he developed a messianic complex.

And in the Nigerian context the evil of a dictatorship has being proven beyond any doubt. That our democracy is not effective is a sign that most of our administrators are by default dictators. What we need to do is enhance our democracy, not reduce it.

Bottom line is if a people cannot control their leaders in a democracy they have no hope in a dictatorship.

0lumide:

Also I'm not saying we do away with everything democratic but the aspect of dummies voting is worse than having a dictator,

Hitler to name a few are examples of leader who were elected!

A power hungry man will get power drunk! A good leader put there for as long as he is good is what we need not a different leader every four or 8years!!,

Gaddafi maybe ideologically/diplomatically irrational but to his people, let's be honest, he served their purpose though at the cost of their freedom which he infringed not take away entirely,

If you have ever been to Libya before the war sir, you will know he fought to protect the dignity of his people and provided for them too.


No system of government is universal for humanity sir, freedom should be!!!!!!!

koruji:

There is nothing like freedom without democracy that is why I called it "lazy thinking" - not that you are lazy, far from it. Our solutions to issues in Nigeria are based on "lazy thinking" so I am not trying to make any personal judgments.

Look at the examples you gave. Libya and Saudi Arabia - all they have is oil and a relatively small population (Saudi - <28million/Libya -<7 million ). They have no freedom nor good leaders. I think you are making incomparable comparisons - you are comparing a Libya/Saudi Arabia to a Nigeria in judging democracy. The appropriate comparisions are a Libya/Saudi Arabia w/o & w/democracy. Or a Norway with a Saudi Arabia. Nigeria is not yet a "democracy" - 50 years of existence with more than half of it under military dictators is not one.

Hitler turned into a dictator - when he was elected he wasn't one. He was a people's man until he developed a messianic complex.

And in the Nigerian context the evil of a dictatorship has being proven beyond any doubt. That our democracy is not effective is a sign that most of our administrators are by default dictators. What we need to do is enhance our democracy, not reduce it.

Bottom line is if a people cannot control their leaders in a democracy they have no hope in a dictatorship.

Sir, isn't Norway practicing a constitutional monarchy? A unitary one too am I right. Though I don't know if it is Absolute unitary monarchy or not but I think Norway is a constitutional monarchy. Whether the Monarch is ceremonial or has power is what I don't know but I will like to believe the Monarch has power. But the possibility is high if it is a unitary constitutional monarchy,

Koruji, as you can see, they are not the type going to the polls every four years!!! And I have Norway as one of my must see nation because it is a naturally beautiful nation like Nigeria!!,

So do you agree with me that Norway is not an absolute democracy like the US and Nigeria? 

Norway is probably better than Saudi and Libya.

But Norway is a hybrid nation (government wise) with some of their ideologies contradicting that of US democracy which Nigeria is hell bent on emulating or imitating!!

Japan is not an absolute Democracy but up till the tsunami, it was ranked as one of the best places to live better than the US.

Japanese ruling party has been there as much as the communist party in China has been (Citation from a book sir),

Now, Japanese population is 129mill (hear say).

Remember I'm not saying we eradicate Democracy totally. However, system of government that promotes freedom of choice is usually seen as democracy by English speaking people but the people practicing it have a name that doesn't mean democracy in English,

Imagine if Nigeria has a Monarch either absolute or ceremonial,  Many won't consider it democratic will they?

Now people have been free before Democracy ever existed am I right sir? Why should we define freedom solely in Democratic context?

Please drop the sir

Both Japan and Norway are democracies. Sure, they preserve their traditional institutions by operating constitutional monarchies. Their monarchs, like the queen of England, have very little real power although they supposedly retain "executive power". Their real leaders are elected every four years but parliament can be dissolved by the king (at least in Japan) - much like early elections can be called in the UK. I suspect that the day these monarchs attempt to exercise real power would be their last on the "throne". Still these are stricter democracies than Nigeria, but perhaps less so than the US. As I said before, Nigeria is not yet a democracy, and the direction we need to move is towards more democracy, not less.

You do have a point that Nigeria's system of government needs to be re-structured, but like the best governments around the world it has to remain a democracy. We have no hope with a monarchy given the diversity of our constituent nation groups - and the tendency to dictatorship. A confederation of states to be the best for Nigeria's situation.

At any rate your title doesn't allow for compromise as it says "without democracy".

0lumide:

Sir, isn't Norway practicing a constitutional monarchy? A unitary one too am I right. Though I don't know if it is Absolute unitary monarchy or not but I think Norway is a constitutional monarchy. Whether the Monarch is ceremonial or has power is what I don't know but I will like to believe the Monarch has power. But the possibility is high if it is a unitary constitutional monarchy,

Koruji, as you can see, they are not the type going to the polls every four years!!! And I have Norway as one of my must see nation because it is a naturally beautiful nation like Nigeria!!,

So do you agree with me that Norway is not an absolute democracy like the US and Nigeria? 

Norway is probably better than Saudi and Libya.

But Norway is a hybrid nation (government wise) with some of their ideologies contradicting that of US democracy which Nigeria is hell bent on emulating or imitating!!

Japan is not an absolute Democracy but up till the tsunami, it was ranked as one of the best places to live better than the US.

Japanese ruling party has been there as much as the communist party in China has been (Citation from a book sir),

Now, Japanese population is 129mill (hear say).

Remember I'm not saying we eradicate Democracy totally. However, system of government that promotes freedom of choice is usually seen as democracy by English speaking people but the people practicing it have a name that doesn't mean democracy in English,

Imagine if Nigeria has a Monarch either absolute or ceremonial,  Many won't consider it democratic will they?

Now people have been free before Democracy ever existed am I right sir? Why should we define freedom solely in Democratic context?

koruji:

Please drop the sir

Both Japan and Norway are democracies. Sure, they preserve their traditional institutions by operating constitutional monarchies. Their monarchs, like the queen of England, have very little real power although they supposedly retain "executive power". Their real leaders are elected every four years but parliament can be dissolved by the king (at least in Japan) - much like early elections can be called in the UK. I suspect that the day these monarchs attempt to exercise real power would be their last on the "throne". Still these are stricter democracies than Nigeria, but perhaps less so than the US. As I said before, Nigeria is not yet a democracy, and the direction we need to move is towards more democracy, not less.

You do have a point that Nigeria's system of government needs to be re-structured, but like the best governments around the world it has to remain a democracy. We have no hope with a monarchy given the diversity of our constituent nation groups - and the tendency to dictatorship. A confederation of states to be the best for Nigeria's situation.

At any rate your title doesn't allow for compromise as it says "without democracy".

I won't drop it ,  I use it to tease people lol!!!

But Let's use Japan as an example for the sake of the argument (Bias against you lol)

Their ruling party has been their for long and the country is more stable politically than mainstream democratic nations.

In Japan the Monarch as you said can dissolve the parliament and become the sole ruler of the nation until an election is conducted right? or until the monarch deem fit to recall the parliament back right?

The japanese has had this practice in some of their villages before the word democracy came in English though. 

The true leader is still the monarch though the system isn't monarchical in practice.  Can the parliament fire the monarch?

Iran is also to be counted as a democracy you agree.  But I guess my problem shouldn't be with democracy, it should be with dumb voters/polls

But then again there is no way to know a dumb voter at the polls.  Maybe Nigeria isn't educated enough for absolute democracy don't you think?

I don't support dictatorship but I believe there has to be a way to have intellectuals involved in polls more than the sentimental voters,  Am I right sir?

Letting every sentimental joe and jack go to the polls doesn't feel right to me. Does it to you sir?

This is my problem with Democracy,  I believe our democracy should be strengthened more and more like you said (convinced) but I still believe we can customize our govt to enhance freedom while avoiding dumb sentimental voters!! Or what do you think?

I'll keep reading while you two argue, I'm enjoying it cause you are both raising great points here, And what I wanted to say has been said plus I think I'm learning here!!!