Sagamite:

Really?

Needed it?

You must be having a laugh!

No, they have no self-control and are mostly carefree. It is a popular artistic trait.

If I can't shoulder a responsibility, and I am an adult, my brain will never tell me the solution is drugs. That is a daft move.

Am I suppose to have pity for such people?

HELL, FCKING NO! Good riddance!

coogar:

so how come you and a million other nigerian youths didn't get influenced by fela anikulapo kuti. . . . . .where was natural science then?

coogar:

referent power is just a myth created by lazy parents to blame these celebrities(who have become scapegoats). i don't see how what artistes say or do affect kids when their school bus-drivers swear at other motorists, their parents smoke and they see things themselves. i never stuck my mum's scarf behind my shirt and jump from a skyscraper because i wanna emulate superman.

coogar:

so how come you and a million other nigerian youths didn't get influenced by fela anikulapo kuti. . . . . .where was natural science then? referent power is just a myth created by lazy parents to blame these celebrities(who have become scapegoats). i don't see how what artistes say or do affect kids when their school bus-drivers swear at other motorists, their parents smoke and they see things themselves. i never stuck my mum's scarf behind my shirt and jump from a skyscraper because i wanna emulate superman.

coogar:

so why should it affect the other kids? i mean - look at the hypocrisy. you see kids urging a movie heroes(james bond, jason bourne, jack bauer) to go on and kill the bad guys. as soon as you see arms on celebrities (chris brown or jay-z), the media slams hard on them that they are bad examples to the same kids who support violence on tv. where do we draw the line?

coogar:

so why should it affect the other kids? i mean - look at the hypocrisy. you see kids urging a movie heroes(james bond, jason bourne, jack bauer) to go on and kill the bad guys. as soon as you see arms on celebrities (chris brown or jay-z), the media slams hard on them that they are bad examples to the same kids who support violence on tv. where do we draw the line?

coogar:

taking the drugs is not where the irresponsibility lies - it is how much they took!
not every drug user overdoses or dies. . . .as we all know, too much of everything is bad. . .same goes with food, alcohol and even water.

denzel2009:

If you can't shoulder responsibility and you hang around people who do recreational drugs, you might be influenced.

phreakabit:

Theres a HUGE difference between kids and teenagers. Lets not get things mixed up please. As for the Fela bit, is Nigeria being the highest consumer of marijuana a coincidence ?

davidylan:

Perhaps because they are just more impressionable or due to poor parenting? I partially agree with your point of view and i put this down to the poor parenting skills on parade today. Too many parents willing to give up their responsibilities to teachers and the church.

Sagamite:

No 1, there are millions of kids that were influenced and are still being influenced by Fela.

No 2, I can only speak for myself. I was not exposed to Fela and his way of life, I had great parents and I am more intelligent and confident than 99% of people. That mixture makes it harder for me to fall to peer pressure than the average Joe. You can see my consistent divergent views that I put on NL. I am happy and comfortable not to conform. Most people aren't. FACT!

Cut this bullshyt, men.

Don't be coming with this dismissive view of proven, accepted and irrefutable scientific and empirical research done by world experts over wide samples that are being paid fck loads in the world's top unis.

Cut that crap.

Go and read about "Power" in some social science textbook.

coogar:

let's agree to disagree. . . . . .i believe bad parenting is the major ill in the world today.

coogar:

where did you pluck this stat from? are you saying people started using marijuana after fela was born?

mostly, it's poor parenting - which is why i think people should not be harsh on amy winehouse. fu[i]c[/i]k knows the kind of background she had.


in nigeria? i am yet to see anyone in his panties, half his face painted and walking around with a fat joint in lagos.

what is the fate of other kids who didn't have great parents? is it their fault they turned out to be the degenerates of the society?

let's agree to disagree. . . . . .i believe bad parenting is the major ill in the world today.

Sagamite:

Cut this crap, mate!
It will be silly to say the gangster rap music has not affected the way black American youths have been killing each other in gangs.

Taking drugs is were the irresponsibility began.

You know it is addictive, you know it is not good for you and you know you don't need it.

It is a No-Brainer for people with brains.

coogar:

where did you pluck this stat from? are you saying people started using marijuana after fela was born?

mostly, it's poor parenting - which is why i think people should not be harsh on amy winehouse. fu[i]c[/i]k knows the kind of background she had.


in nigeria? i am yet to see anyone in his panties, half his face painted and walking around with a fat joint in lagos.

what is the fate of other kids who didn't have great parents? is it their fault they turned out to be the degenerates of the society?

let's agree to disagree. . . . . .i believe bad parenting is the major ill in the world today.

you will be surprised at the number of leaders who take drugs. . . . .you will be!

coogar:

sagamite, there have been black on black violence before rap. . . . .there have been gangs before hip-hop.

coogar:

i disagree. some of these drugs are social drugs. as long as it's a consumable quantity, you will not even be arrested.

coogar:

sagamite, alcohol is also addictive. people take it for recreational use. the irresponsibility starts when people take too much.
hell, food is also addictive - why don't the authorities stop obese folks from going to eateries to pile more junk foods in their system. they know it's not good for them and yet they still take it. like i said, taking it is not the irresponsibility. . . .lacking the self control to overdose is the irresponsibility.

coogar:

you will be surprised at the number of leaders who take drugs. . . . .you will be!

i disagree. some of these drugs are social drugs. as long as it's a consumable quantity, you will not even be arrested.

I dont know the kind of friends you have , as for me in high school i had 10 friends 7 out of those 10 did marijuana and we were still friends. I never tried it . However I can assure you that the reason they did it was because of 2 things Fela anikulapo kuti and Bone thugs n harmony. in my former neighborhood 80% of teenagers do weed too, not because they need it, but just to feel cool. I dont have to lie here because it will make absolutely no sense, but I can swear by anything that  Fela is like a god to them, hence plays a key role in their way of reasoning .

Sagamite:

Not as rampant as when it was made cool and an aspiration.

So you admit it is not a "need"? It is a carefree attitude in societies where people are well informed?

I really don't see how you can compare addictiveness of alcohol or food with crack?

You give such simple arguments without any thought.
Let me give you an analogy.

A punch is painful. But believe me, it is different when you get a punch in the face from Halle Berry and if you get one in the face from Vladimir Klitschko. I will advise not to take too much from the latter.

Try and give weightings to things in your arguments and don't be giving simple ones.

You are right on that. It does not make it any less irresponsible.

BlueDiva:



You are not superior to your friends for not smoking weed.
A school of thought in Psychology would say you are wired to resist external influence.

It ain"t about Fela. I"m a big fan of Fela and have all his works.
I like his lifestyle and i"ve visited the Shrine to hang out, yet i haven"t touched hemp with a long spoon ever.

phreakabit:

Social drugs, recreational drugs, they are still drugs. Ecstasy,hallucinogenic mushrooms and LSD are said to be recreational drugs but they can and do cause flashbacks and bad trips. A person with a bad trip can commit unbelievable crimes while tripping.

stillwater:

Err. . .Sagamite some people don't consider psychology 'science'.

Just passing by with my one leg. Don't shoot the messenger.

Sagamite:

Olodo rabata, oju eja lo mor je.

coogar:

same as chloroquin, paracetamol, piriton, etc. anyone using those without medical advice is a drug user. . . . .continuous use and the person is a drug addict. nearly all medicine is toxic with potential lethal effects.

coogar:

lord of mercy. . . . .

it's a bit of both. . . . sometimes they need to for the required level of performance and sometimes they just need it to step down.

coogar:

death is the outcome for all of them. . . .besides, more money has been spent treating diseases related to food & alcohol than rehabilitating drug users.

coogar:

sagamite. . . .death is death! we see hard drugs as demonic because of the way the media has made it to be. marijuana is a recreational drug. . . firstly, the record on marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. secondly, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world. estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of direct medical supervision. yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death. . .

coogar:

by contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year. the most obvious concern when dealing with drug safety is the possibility of lethal effects. can the drug cause death? so since the punch from halle berry and the one from klitschko can both cause death - it should be a concern. who knows - i could die from a single punch from halle berry(my physical composition might vary from yours or vice versa).

i reiterate, death is death!

coogar:

it does. . . . .obama and david cameron used marijuana as students but they knew where to draw the line. without any self-control, who knows which of the rehab centres they would be by now, perhaps in prison or even death!

190:

IF SHE HAD SMOKE IGBO SHE WOULDNT HAVE DIED EARLY

stillwater:

Emi ni olodo? Ti n ba mu e. Se o wa pa?