nodogma:

Yes, well maybe one day you will listen! When you are ready to give up your bible security blanket. These are facts, your bible is fiction.

davidylan:

no 345873th atheist today crying about "facts" when he knows nothing about it.
Next?

phxc:

davidylan, just a quick question; you might have been asked it before - I don't know, but you're free to answer it.

What makes you thiink the bible is the inerrant word of God as opposed to other holy books? Just curious.

davidylan:

Its illogical, it makes no sense . . . but i firmly believe that Jesus Christ IS LORD of all and His word is TRUTH. I will be just fine leaving this world with that firm faith, if i'm wrong . . . no problem but you better hope i'm not right.

phxc:

Alright, I geddit, although I would like to know what is illogical and makes no sense - my question or the word of God.

davidylan:

Even the bible is quite clear, the bible is foolishness to those who dont believe. You are free to disbelieve.

davidylan:

Even the bible is quite clear, the bible is foolishness to those who dont believe. You are free to disbelieve.

phxc:

But davidylan, isn't there a possibility that the bible is wrong or not all that correct about all it says? Isn't there a possibilty that the bible is foolishness to all who don't believe because it is actually foolishness? Your thoughts.

nodogma:

@davidylan But why is not foolishness to you? Do you find a certain comfort in believing something that is not true? Or, do you just choose not to question? The bible causes alot of harm to people. For example, women stay in abusive marriages because they believe the bible is against divorce. Families are broken and attrocities have occurred because of this book. So, it is difficult for some to just sit back and not question.

phxc:

But davidylan, isn't there a possibility that the bible is wrong or not all that correct about all it says? Isn't there a possibilty that the bible is foolishness to all who don't believe because it is actually foolishness? Your thoughts.

mazaje:

Good selling point. . . . . . Declare the book as foolishness to others so that those who believe in it can sleep quietly at night while believing in the myths, lies and baseless stories of men who thought that if they could build a tower that reached the sky they will see the creator of the universe. . .I have news for you. . .The Koran says the same. . .

mazaje:

He is able to see through the foolishness of other religions and their baseless stories and assertions, heck he is able to see through some of the baseless assertions of some scientific theories but for childhood indoctrination, he still accepts that a donkey can speak the human language, a person was created from sand, the earth was in existence before the sun and other stars, a man lived inside a fish for 3 days, human started speaking different languages because some God hiding in the sky did not want people to build a tower and see him hiding in the clouds so he confused their tongue, the entire earth was once flooded, killing people because they worship other Gods is right, there is a crazy and imaginary being called satan that makes people do bad things , a man lived ,died and resurrected after 3 days. . . and so many other fooolish tales that have absolutely NO evidence what ever to back them up but the faith cake, which is nothing but believing that something is true because you want it to be true. . .

davidylan:

Its illogical, it makes no sense . . . but i firmly believe that Jesus Christ IS LORD of all and His word is TRUTH. I will be just fine leaving this world with that firm faith, if i'm wrong . . . no problem but you better hope i'm not right.

davidylan:

Even the bible is quite clear, the bible is foolishness to those who dont believe. You are free to disbelieve.

InesQor:

I believe the story of the tower of Babel was a real occurrence; and it was when languages appeared out of nowhere that "religions" also metamorphosed in various diversions and directions. With the "confusion", each people had their own telling and understanding of first-hand and second-hand spiritual experiences and truths, which gradually evolved in line with their cultures and languages. Many prehistoric religions have a description of semblances of Noah's Flood and of the Tower of Strife / Confusion, two major events that changed and defined their cultures.

One of the most interesting tellings is found in the Book of Jubilees (also called The Lesser Genesis) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Jubilees

And they began to build, and in the fourth week they made brick with fire, and the bricks served them for stone, and the clay with which they cemented them together was asphalt which comes out of the sea, and out of the fountains of water in the land of Shinar. And they built it: forty and three years were they building it; its breadth was 203 bricks, and the height [of a brick] was the third of one; its height amounted to 5433 cubits and 2 palms, and [the extent of one wall was] thirteen stades [and of the other thirty stades]. (Jubilees 10:20-21, Charles' 1913 translation)

That is THREE times the height of the Burj Khalifa, the currently TALLEST structure on earth. Now, imagine these prehistoric men building something that tall! It must have taken years (Book of Jubilees says 43 years) and involved lots of human labour and deaths. There are, probably then, lost sciences employed in the construction (maybe these sciences were rediscovered in the middle ages or modern day). All of that concentration on a vain task (and in defiance of God) was probably why God scattered them at that time.

Wikipedia:
The Book of Jubilees (Hebrew: ספר היובלים Sepher hayYobhelim), sometimes called Lesser Genesis (Leptogenesis), is an ancient Jewish religious work, considered one of the Pseudepigrapha by most Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Protestant Churches. However, Jubilees is considered to be canonical by the Ethiopian Jews and Ethiopian Orthodox Church, where it is known as the Book of Division (Ge'ez: Mets'hafe Kufale).
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Origins
And yet, many scholars continue to ascribe to Robert Henry Charles's view that Jubilees could not have been written before the events of 1 Maccabees, due to perceived cryptic references within the text. As a result, general reference works such as the Oxford Annotated Bible and the Mercer Bible Dictionary conclude the work can be dated to 160–150 BC.
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Content
According to this book, Hebrew is the language of Heaven, and was originally spoken by all creatures in the Garden, animals and man, however the animals lost their power of speech when Adam and Eve were expelled. Some time following the Deluge, the earth is apportioned into three divisions for the three sons of Noah, and his sixteen grandsons. After the destruction of the tower of Babel, their families were scattered to their respective allotments, and Hebrew was forgotten, until Abraham was taught it by the angels.
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Sweetnecta:

This is a very interesting video. The segment between 1.30 mins to say 3.00 mins of just 4 mins long video intrigue me. This is because the jew[s] agree that their Bible is corrupted and God punished them by making things hard for them. Yet when it comes to talking about the prophet [as] someone got upset because he was not from the children of Israel, as if God does not have the Right to choose His elect, when the people continued to go against His Instruction.

The only reason the jews received favor from God is because of His relationship with Abraham [as]. Are the jews not just one of many branches that came from Abraham, Ismail [as] being the first major branch and Rasulullah [as] is from that first branch?

Allah has maintained His Covenant with Abraham all through, ending it with the major branch that was there to participate in the ratification of it by being circumcised.

God did not promise to prevent people from corrupting the earlier scriptures, but guarantees the purity of Quran and shall not allow it to be corrupted.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gP_3ItIdrI&feature=relmfu

nodogma:

@daviddylan No one specifically cares about your views. You offered them and so we have asked you questions to better understand what you are saying. If you don't want to be questioned, then do not post on the thread. It is that simple.

phxc:

Actually, I asked him what makes him think the bible is the word of God and his response was that he firmly believes Jesus is Lord of all and his word is truth, take it or leave it. Fine, all well and good. What I don't understand is the effort he puts into castigating other non christian theists while he believes his "personal beliefs" as he calls it should be exempt from criticism. Aren't the others entitled to their personal beliefs?

thehomer:

You believe this tower of Babel was a true occurrence? Here are some questions that automatically follow.
Where was this tower built? When was it built? Are there any remains? And other similar questions.

Then consider what we know about languages and their relationships.
This is from the Wikipedia page you linked:

Now, do you believe that Hebrew was the language of heaven and was spoken by all the creatures in the garden?

nodogma:

@daviddylan No one specifically cares about your views. You offered them and so we have asked you questions to better understand what you are saying. If you don't want to be questioned, then do not post on the thread. It is that simple.

davidylan:

Depends on the type of "questions" asked. Some, like yours, are just completely inane and deserve no more than dismissive one-liners.