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Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by femi4love(m): 2:17am On Sep 17, 2011
Jonathan May Be Nigeria's Last President

This stuff is very  heavy. please read the interview by clicking the link below:

Northern Killings: After 20 yrs research, Rev Thompson declares: Jonathan may be Nigeria’s last president

Reverend Oladimeji (Ladi)P. Thompson, founder and Senior Pastor of Lagos-based Living Waters Unlimited Church has, for over 20 years, followed the activities of terror groups in the North. He is also the international co-ordinator of Macedonian Initiative, a non-government, non-denominational organization established to provide succour to Christians persecuted because of their belief in Jesus Christ.

Immediately after the UN House bombing, our SAM EYOBOKA and UDUMA KALU approached him for his comment and the answer is that Boko Haram may break up Nigeria. Excerpts:

You said since 2000 you have a clear vision…

First of all, my warning was to the church leadership . I moved on to the secular world and I found out that it’s going to be difficult, so I did not go there any more. But the truth is that Goodluck Jonathan may be the last president of Nigeria. When I was saying this, they sounded very far fetched to believe.

Reverend Oladimeji (Ladi) P. Thompson

What is helping Nigeria right now is that the people who sponsor what is supposed to happen in Nigeria have been kept busy themselves for now. People like Muammar Gaddafi who used to come to Kano unannounced and unofficially regularly; there are different axis all over the world who are involved in what is happening in Nigeria. For example, the UN House in Abuja was not the handiwork of Boko Haram.

You may say what do I mean? One, there is nothing like Boko Haram. The word Boko Haram is a word created by the Western Media to explain Yusufua Maiduguri. Yusufua is just one out of 26 radical groups that are operating within Nigeria.

The western press, to make it readable to the western world, created the word, Boko Haram. Haram means forbidden and Boko is corruption of book. They have not burnt any university. They have not killed any professor, nor harassed any institution of higher learning.

What they are out for is very simple. Number one, not to Islamise but an Islamic Nigeria, a Nigeria where there is no plurality of religions, but one religion; a Nigeria in which women will be oppressed always, a Nigeria in which they will eradicate democracy. They have scored success in many nations of the world before our own. You only need to go and do research and you will find out.

Uthman dan Fodio and Shehu of Borno

Nigeria’s problem started since 1955 or 1956. It is an ancient problem. The problem with Nigeria’s own is that before the global resurgence of terror, Nigeria had an ancient streak that started in 1774 when Uthman dan Fodio entered Maiduguri. He was lecturing in Islam doing very nice and quiet and the Hausa people embraced him and were happy with him because he was teaching their children.

They didn’t know that he was radicalising their children at the same time. While he was radicalising the people at that time, nobody knew. He even instructed one guy called Yoeofa, the son of the king in Islamic way. When Yoeofa was being taught by Uthman dan Fodio, he said dan Fodio was a good and nice teacher, but dan Fodio noticed that the taxes were high; that they were not purists.

The predominant Islamic force in Nigeria then was the remnant of Kanem Borno Empire. You will find out that the Shehu of Borno, who was actually supposed to be the spiritual leader of Islam in Nigeria, was displaced by dan Fodio because dan Fodio in 1804 declared a Jihad.

It was tough then and they were coming towards South. There were three things that stopped dan Fodio. Number one, El Kanemi, a Borno man who said, ‘I am a Muslim but I don’t understand this religion that involves killing of Muslims as well.’ And have you noticed that they have also started throwing bombs in mosques in Nigeria? El Kanemi rose and he was able to put a stop to the advance of Uthman dan Fodio.

Secondly, the arrival of the British and they had what they called Maxim gun, and in 1903 or 1904 Sokoto and Kano fell. There was armed resistance and in 1906 there was an uprising in Mali which arose just like bin Ladin’s but it didn’t last long. The British decimated it. They were able to kill a few British nationals. All the emirs had waited then, saying if he (the Malian) succeeds we will join him, but when they saw the British crushing him, they went underground.

Thirdly, Ilorin was taken but the Jihadists couldn’t advance further because of the forest belt. They have an advantage of cavalry; when they were coming to South, they had an advantage of horses but when they hit the forest belt, their horses couldn’t proceed. That is why you find that Ogbomoso, Osogbo, that buffer zone is where the rivers spread and the violence was not heavy.

Jihad under colonial rule

The truth is that during the colonial years, the British made one mistake in which they used indirect rule. Lugard personally promised them that he would not allow the Mauguzawas to be introduced to Christianity. Majority of people in northern Nigeria, when the British came, were not Muslims. They were animists and the Mauguzawas, who automatically, because of indirect rule were recognised as Muslims. It is an ancient creed, a very smart creed—very difficult to detect. War can go on even in peace time.

They shifted to consolidate under the British rule; smiling at the British while consolidating their code for the whole of Northern Nigeria. The moment the British wanted to leave, because they appeared nice to , the British made a miscalculation which is what is destroying them till today. What the British did was to devise a formula and hand over power to Northern Nigeria and create a political formula by which Northern Nigeria ordinarily should forget about one Nigeria.

Jonathan, Yar’Adua and Northern power blocs

This last time, whether by the name of Goodluck and by the pattern of his life that was disrupted, for the first time in Nigeria, we had about four or five presidential candidates from the northern part of Nigeria and they couldn’t agree on one.

Had they agreed on one, all these things would not have happened. Olusegun Obasanjo came because of the pacification of the South West and after him, the North could have held on to power for ever, but immediately, it shifted back to the North. You know what happened to Yar’Adua. The late Yar’Adua was the Mutewani Katsina (holder of the Emirate’s treasury).

The Emirate and an Ancient Dream

What Nigerians don’t know is that there is an existence underneath the Federal Government structure in which an ancient dream is kept alive by a core of radicals who teach their children why they should not see Nigeria as one. And because it is not a formalized education, it’s not written down anywhere.

It’s difficult to detect but they tell their children that southerners should always come to pay obeisance. ‘We are their rulers and there is only one religion’. You find that when Yar’Adua was in Katsina state, he was a devout Muslim to the core. There is a radical call from Katsina because it is the centre of learning; they’re purists.

When he was to become president, I was alarmed because I knew what his sentiments were, but somehow he did not last long and Goodluck stepped in. Goodluck should not have become president this time around but for the fact that northerners could not agree on a consensus candidate. If they had agreed on the formula left for them by the British colonial heritage, there would have been no argument.

Sheik Gumi, Islamic Banking and Jonathan

In 1955 ‘or 1956, in the Hajj Camp in Saudi Arabia, the Nigerian flag was burnt because the flag had a Star of David on it. One of the contributors of what you are seeing today was late Sheik Gumi, a clever man who never denied where he was going. If you remember, he was the one who declared that over his dead body would there be a Christian ruler in Nigeria.

That was just a tip of the iceberg. One of his boys who converted from Islam in those days, they put fatwa on him. He had to escape to Kano and the Federal Government used all state apparatuses to hunt for him. They beat him till they felt he was dead, but the Christians later found out that he still had life and he later escaped to Ghana. All these sentiments have been there but we are the ones who close our eyes and pretend as if they were not there. There is a radical cult at the centre.

Islamic banking we are talking about today, Gumi was part of it. So, all the noise that people are making at the last moment is pattern of what they have been doing because there is a pattern in which it will work.

Christians in Northern Nigeria

Ask people like Archbishop Peter Jasper Akinola, His Eminence Sunday Mbang and those who had headed CAN, they will tell you how many young girls were kidnapped annually in the North. Your children can’t go to schools; it is either you fake their names to a Muslim name or there is no promotion.

Progression of the Ancient Dream

All these things have been there and we pretend as if we don’t see them. But they are there, well established in all those states. The movement behind it is a very intelligent; they are slow in their tactics and facts. The progression in Nigeria was that by the time they have swept through the Northern states and consolidated the North…the normal thing is that you push non-Muslims away from the city centres. So most northern cities today that have any sizeable Christian number are divided into two. Why? Because there is a time to come when they will launch an attack unless the Christians agree to live under a status where they become a third class citizen. This issue is not only in Nigeria; it is a global thing.

Islamisation of Nigeria

Nigeria has done about 65 per cent, it only has about 35 per cent to go. People are only shouting Plateau State but I pity Plateau State young men because they are falling into a trap till now.

Foreigners on Plateau

Plateau State people think they are doing something but they are wasting their energy by responding with vigilante groups. I have seen a lot of foreigners who are coming into Nigeria with their own silly theory when they don’t understand what is going on here. Last week, I was in a place where one of these British consultants was talking on how Plateau indigenes were just killing Muslims. They are only managing information in which the international press is looking at Plateau as blood-thirsty people. And Nigerians know that they are the most peaceful people in Nigeria, ordinarily.

Camps in South South, South East

This same thing has entered Makurdi in Benue State and it is coming down South. Whether you like it or not, there are camps and places where people are being trained in the South South and we now have more Igbo Muslims in Nigeria than we have ever had in this country. Why? They have quietly entered through sponsorships, spending money. There is one school in Afikpo where people are offered scholarships and given free food. As soon as you adopt the Islamic religion, you will be sent out of the country to radicalise you more. In the South South, there are militants milling around in the name of petty traders.

The truth is that they have taken advantage of everything and that is a weakness for us. While we were sleeping, when we didn’t know a lot about these people …

Islam in Bauchi

Look at the Bauchi nurses in 2001 who were sacked because they refused to wear hijab. What I am saying is that a medical doctor, S.Y Sabo, who was in charge of Federal Medical Centre, Azare, knew that he was not just a medical doctor but also there to establish something. You can duplicate this in all the places.

Do you remember what happened to Gideon Akaluka on the streets of Kano? Is it normal to parade the head of a fellow human being on the stick and dance round town jubilating? And since all these things happened, has anybody been convicted in Nigeria? You want to know why? It is because Nigerian institutions are riddled with spies and wolves who believe in that future; and the truth is that Nigerian leadership doesn’t have the moral courage to face up to the fact that from the police force to intelligence services, to education, to sports, the institutions are filled with people who are fighting the war quietly.

Including the Judiciary?

If you are talking about the judiciary, let me ask? Which rule of law is the uppermost in Nigeria? Nigeria has the British law that we inherited. Then we have the Common Law, the Customary Law and the Sharia Law. Which one is uppermost in Nigeria? If the Nigeria Constitution is uppermost, a former governor in Nigeria married a 13-year- old girl. He paid $100,000 for her, smuggled her into Nigeria from Egypt. According to the laws of Nigeria, is that a crime or not? Will you agree to live in a country where a full grown serving senator can marry a 13-year old girl? We all sat down to watch what would happen when some people came up to say that it was an Islamic affair, a religious affair and not a democratic issue. What happened to the case eventually? So what has been proven now?

Nigeria’s mistakes

Now, what are the mistakes we are making? This thing is creeping in and because of the ancient one that started earlier and the emergence of the international one ,they are now woven together. About six or seven years ago, in 2001, a bomb exploded in a church in Lalanto in Jos. Bomb making literature had been coming to Nigeria for more than 10 years. It’s just that initially ,it was blowing off their own hands and legs and it was being explained away. But gradually, they have mastered it now. Before, the problem was how they would co-ordinate the activities of 26 Islamic sects with each one having its own leader and different ideas but western countries have solved the problem for them, by creating the name Boko Haram. Unlike before when an individual sect had its own ideology, now Boko Haram has created an umbrella through which they all work. By being stupid and playing into the hands of the western media, they made our case worse. So they are now making more progress and even bolder than they could get before.

The reason why Uthman dan Fodio was able to overthrow Hausa kings was because there was a lot of corruption in the Hausa Kingdoms. There was a lot of oppression and poverty. There was no home for majority of them. There was no hope for the future then.

There is little hope for the future now. A house full of intellectuals, deceive themselves that there is a future. And that is why the average intellectual does not have the reality on what Nigerian life really is. Many Nigerians youths are crossing deserts on foot to escape Nigerian life. That is a pointer for you on what life looks like in the country.

Is the invitation to foreigners to assist us a true way out of the problem?

We have to be very careful. Immediately the UN House was bombed, Nigeria ceded its authority and it was not right for Nigeria to cede its authority. A lot of countries have similar problems and many of them are looking up to Nigeria to see how she would solve the problem to help their own countries. Now, in Nigeria a lot of intelligent strategies have just been just bullshit, they are unwise. At every step, we bring in our soldiers to level (destroy) towns.

Ordinary Boko Haram with 1.6 million members held Nigeria Army and Police Force for almost three weeks. Nigerian youths are impoverished, education is gone, and we are the second highest in the world’s infant mortality, maternal maternity, second highest in the world. It is a curse for you to be pregnant in Nigeria, that is what it means. It is better for you to go to Ghana or Cotonou, next door and have your children than to have them in Nigeria.

In all indices by which you measure a state, Nigeria cannot score pass mark in any area. Human life value is very low. A woman was butchered by soldiers in Gombe, till today no compensation. The governor, Danjuma Goje made it impossible for the case to be tried in the state. It was all by collusion. If you like, let’s keep deceiving ourselves here that things are well. The infiltration is already noticeable in Calabar, in South East and in these areas we have the problem of tribal divide. No consensus. The youths, almost 75 or 80 per cent of the country, are impoverished, they are disenfranchised, and they have no inheritance. The people who stole their inheritance, their great grand fathers are still alive—all the generals who are arguing against each other. The monies their grandchildren should spend they stole.

Outside Assistance, CAN Chairman

This one has an agenda and a motive. They are schooled somewhere, well funded locally and internationally. Unfortunately for us, the international funders right now are busy but once things are settled in the Middle East, more funding will come back to Nigeria. When the president of CAN called for the arrest of that general, uninformed ignorant people whose children may be slaughtered in future decried the position of the CAN president. As a special adviser to the CAN president, I can tell you that he has more information in his hands than he is allowed to speak to the public.

But whether you like it or not across all the northern states, the number of people killed in order to bring Jonathan Goodluck to power is maximum casualty figure we have never seen in Nigeria before. He rode him on a lot of bloodshed. The pattern of the killing even before the result was announced, the killing had started in the genera’s name. When the CAN president called for his arrest, he was not joking. It is just that the government lacked the moral courage to do what is right. They incited people. It was pre-planned, pre-medicated obviously and if you look at the target of the killing, as usual, you cannot say it was political. Even if you bring them out for political reason they will still do what they want to do. Isioma Daniel (who was your colleague) when she made a comment on Miss World, which buildings were burnt? Most of them were churches. What has a journalist’s comment on Miss World to do with maiming and killing of people. We are pretending as if this thing is not there but it is mopping up.

UN building bombing and Boko Haram

It was assumed that it is al Qaeda that bombed the UN building. It is more in consonance with al Qaeda. What Nigeria should have done is to first of all examine the explosives used and the methodology of the explosion—because every device has its own signature—and check it maybe it is in consonance with the more primitive ones that they mixed with internet instructions. The truth is that it is not the handiwork of Boko Haram. If we continue to call them Boko Haram, we are uniting 25 to 26 Islamic sects. We are encouraging their unity and helping the foreigners who are funding them to make their work fast. We should break away from calling them Boko Haram and the Nigerian Press must stand up to wage a war against their western counterparts, accusing them of neo-colonialism. If they can create an Islamic battlefront in Nigeria, they will come in from all around the world and Nigeria will fracture and the world will go on, just like Sudan for many years. Their vision is global. There are lots of radical preachers all over the county, they will teach freely for years and nobody ever disturbs them. They are protected by their governors and commissioners of police.

Do you think that it is in the interest of the west to create chaos in Nigeria?

If you are having problem in your country and the people causing problem in your country can move away from your country to another side, would it be in the interest of your own county to encourage the people of that country to learn their mistakes and turn their own land to a fertile ground. They will sell ammunition to both sides. Look at Libya, what is happening is a very interesting scenario. But my fear is the compromise of Nigerian interest. My own insistence is that whatever is going to happen to us, whatever co-operation we are going to have international with anybody; we don’t want Nigeria to be represented by bananas who will just throw away the national interest without even knowing what they are doing.

What do you mean?

Look at the UN Building bombing. The place has now been sequestered. Our inadequate facilities, our security systems, obviously, are highly unprepared for this kind of thing and they have yielded it to foreign government. Before you call in foreign assistance, you must think properly and think well. Because of the absence of enough intelligence to handle the problem we are now surrendering, but we should surrender with caution, because one or two moves like this, Nigeria will become the worst of. What makes you think that the nation’s security apparatus is not infiltrated? I will like you to go and supply me the list of Nigerian national security advisers from independence. If you can give me that list, let us sit down and scrutinise the lives of every one of them, their utterances in private, not in public; their business interests, their links all over the world. Someone put Nigeria in OIC single handedly. Are there not radicals in Nigeria who have been walking free simply because the orders come from above that nobody should arrest them? Who are the people supporting this no-arrest order? You better let people know what we are up against.

You think President Jonathan is incapable of handling this?

A farmer does not depend on good clock to bring about good harvest and food for us to eat. If a tailor depends on good luck to sew your cloth, when you are looking for a shirt you will end up with a dress. If a farmer does not look for good luck to give us to feed the nation, and a tailor does not depend on good luck to sew cloth, when it comes to certain matters good luck has its limitation. Instead, wise planning and intelligent thinking is what is needed. It’s not true that IGP is incompetent as people have been saying. We have a situation where the IG himself is more or less a junior to some of the commissioners of Police serving under him. Remember that some people stayed behind with the intent of helping him, are all of them loyal to him? Do we know where the loyalty of some of them lies? Is it possible for him to have as free hand with the kind of command he’s asked to handle? Is he given a free hand? The moment you politicize anything that had to do with security, you have fractured the chain of command. So, whereas, he may be a very competent officer but the structure he was asked to perform with may not help him.

Is that not enough reason to resign as people are calling on him to do?



You will have to interview him on that. Is it easy to resign? If he is your uncle will you ask him to resign?



What is the way forward out of the current logjam?

The leadership must first of all find the moral courage to understand the reason why we are prone to these things more other countries; to face the problem, diagnose it and call it by its real name so it can treat it. If leadership does not do that we are going to slide to the morass faster. That is one. Number two; this new problem, in other countries nobody is relying on old methodologies. In some countries, they call a new kind of war, because there is no text book answer. As I speak right now, all over the world, intelligence experts are just writing the text books to match this menace of terrorism, because it is a resurgence that has not be seen in many centuries. So, coming up with military intelligence to come and answer this problem is a waste of everybody’s time; coming up with DIGs to come and answer this, is a waste of everybody’s time. What we need is leadership with innovative thinking; people who can think out of the box; who understand the cultural, religious, political and the radical aspects of what we are talking about here; people who know how to recognize the different phases and to handle all the phases with equanimity. I give you an example; one of the things that making this thing spread faster is the lack of a consensus in Nigeria. The Chinese Constitution is about 2,000 words; the American is about 4,400 words but the Nigeria Constitution is in excesses of 74,000 words. Nigeria has never had a real constitution. What we call a constitution is not representative of the Nigerian people. There is no common agreement. The best country that Nigeria to align with right and it is going to be done with utmost wisdom, is USA—the only country that has had the same kind of history and experience and was successful to a point. They were also colonized by the British. Every offer that was given to Nigeria as we transited to independence was also offered the Americans but they rejected all. All the problems in the Nigerian foundation can find solution in the American history. There is something called the American declaration of independence, Nigeria does not have the equivalent of it. What is written there is very simple but very powerful, and you can build the country on it: “…All men are created equal before God and everybody is entitled to the pursuit of happiness….”

That is why you see that nobody jokes with liberty in the US. If you have 10 heads, everybody is equal. Three revolutions were fought by the Americans, all based on the original agreement. In Nigeria, is there any such document that says we are all equal and that everybody is entitled to the basics of life? We do not know the power of such words. America was able to overcome its colonial experience and build their nation properly. Nigeria is yet to that. We must work with America with caution, but there is a lot we can learn from them.
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Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by jason123: 2:50am On Sep 17, 2011
THIS IS DEEP!!! shocked shocked shocked
NA WA OOO!!!
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by efisher(m): 2:52am On Sep 17, 2011
A peaceful separation is all I wish for. That will be the next best thing to heaven on earth.
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by jason123: 2:57am On Sep 17, 2011
efisher:

A peaceful separation is all I wish for. That will be the next best thing to heaven on earth.

With the way things are going?? I really doubt that. . . .
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by SouthEast1: 6:24am On Sep 17, 2011
Southerners and christians in general should read this.
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by PhysicsQED(m): 6:47am On Sep 17, 2011
"When the president of CAN called for the arrest of that general, uninformed ignorant people whose children may be slaughtered in future decried the position of the CAN president. As a special adviser to the CAN president, I can tell you that he has more information in his hands than he is allowed to speak to the public."


Who's stopping him?




"There is something called the American declaration of independence, Nigeria does not have the equivalent of it. What is written there is very simple but very powerful, and you can build the country on it: “…All men are created equal before God and everybody is entitled to the pursuit of happiness….”

That is why you see that nobody jokes with liberty in the US. If you have 10 heads, everybody is equal. Three revolutions were fought by the Americans, all based on the original agreement. "



The part in bold was kind of deep. The Revolutionary War, Civil War, and Civil Rights Movement all connect back to the opening of the declaration of independence. He conveys a lot in a few words.

His analysis was very interesting. Wish he had gone into a little bit more detail on radicalism in the north and the 26 groups, though.
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by maga1: 6:57am On Sep 17, 2011
*Beer parlour analysis*, lets wait & see. Naija will still exist even after his grand kids.
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by russellino: 7:07am On Sep 17, 2011
^^ beer parlour analysis ke? - I watched this man on channels television in january and he predicted 100% of what we are seeing today. I just pray for help from God because this thing is deeper and bigger than what most of us can imagine
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by werepeLeri: 7:48am On Sep 17, 2011
rubbish
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by gists: 7:54am On Sep 17, 2011
maga1:

*Beer parlour analysis*,  lets wait & see. [size=18pt]Naija will still exist even after his grand kids.[/size]

I agree with you completely. The guy just dey weep unnecessary sentiment. e.g he talked about the xtian murdered and his head paraded on the street and no arrest was made. What he fails to tell us is that there are countless murder cases in this country without any arrest.

While  some of his arguments sound thought-provoking, the majority of it is just "beer parlour gists"
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by Myself2(m): 8:04am On Sep 17, 2011
Wow
Only a person that is deluded will argue against this article,I mean take the happenings in the banking sector for instance,it's never been about sanitizing the sector or sacking the MDs of banks will capital inadequacy;rather it's been part of a larger ploy to wreck southerners economically and build/consolidate northern/islamic interests in that sector.See how Sanusi is using state funds to establish a religious bank,now he has a sharia council to plan and implement sharia banking in the CBN,he re-introduced arabic writing(a writing that is not used by any tribe or ethnic group in Nigeria,just muslims) into our currency

Is it a MUST that Nigeria remains one country,if the northern fundamentalists want a sharia country so bad,then let them go their way and let the Christians have their own state,I know this is not so easy to do as those bigots have their eyes on the oil from the South(which is about the only reason they have not called for the break up of Nigeria or secceeded).One way to kick-start this journey to seperation is to convene a sovreign national conference to be followed by the conduct of a referendum for all tribes,tongues and religions that make up this contraption called Nigeria to say whaere they want to belong
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by femi4love(m): 8:33am On Sep 17, 2011
I wonder why Nigerian governments both present and previous are afraid of conveying a Sovereign National Conference. Are they afraid of the obvious eventuality or what?

Everybody talks about moving Nigeria forward, but not ready to do the right thing. I am really sad for the innocent  children whose future is being robbed by the so-called leaders.
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by asha80(m): 8:44am On Sep 17, 2011
i watched an interview he gave to channelstv last month or so.it is basically the same thing he said there that he is saying here.
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by russellino: 9:41am On Sep 17, 2011
In january long before the carnage got to ths level, the man said in an interview how heavily compromised our security agencies were. Ignore at your own peril
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by igboboy1(m): 11:01am On Sep 17, 2011
I cant wait for WWIII muslim vs non muslim, i pity yoruba folks sha, see casualty as half of them are aboki already.

Those igbo converts will be slaughtered like the melu they are,
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by BinghiNya(m): 11:07am On Sep 17, 2011
very funny,

Didn't the British wipe away cities in the south in the name of religion. Christianity my foot. A religion with no direction. A religion with controversies(Child molestation, multiple forms of worship, women pastors(contrary to the bible), satanic churches, clerics who rob people of their money, deluded leaders like Thompson, Oritshejafor et al)

Islam is not forced on people(real adherents) don't force people to accept islam, it is  a way of life.

Pastor(indeed) Thompson should go back and do his assignment well. He is just spewing trash. He is trash from time. he is not known , he is seeking cheap popularity.

The greatest human carnage took place as  a result of christians causing the war(Atomic Bomb dropped by christians on Hiroshima and Nagazaki)
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by Rgp92: 11:44am On Sep 17, 2011
igbo boy:

I cant wait for WWIII muslim vs non muslim, i pity yoruba folks sha, see casualty as half of them are aboki already.

Those igbo converts will be slaughtered like the melu they are,



WW3 will not be islam vs non islam wink
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by Nobody: 12:05pm On Sep 17, 2011
BinghiNya:

very funny,

Didn't the British wipe away cities in the south in the name of religion. Christianity my foot. A religion with no direction. A religion with controversies(Child molestation, multiple forms of worship, women pastors(contrary to the bible), satanic churches, clerics who rob people of their money, deluded leaders like Thompson, Oritshejafor et al)

Islam is not forced on people(real adherents) don't force people to accept islam, it is  a way of life.

Pastor(indeed) Thompson should go back and do his assignment well. He is just spewing trash. He is trash from time. he is not known , he is seeking cheap popularity.

The greatest human carnage took place as  a result of christians causing the war(Atomic Bomb dropped by christians on Hiroshima and Nagazaki)


Instead of you picking the truth in his words as well as the lies if there is any and analyze them; you mixed everything together and resorted to name calling and what have view. Why? because you are a Muslim perhaps capable of turning into a radical one judging the way your words emanated shocked, because at the end of the day two wrongs wouldn't make a right. I believe that every religion has its own problem and disadvantages but when it come to some issues we should learn to keep our religious sentiment apart and see the truth in what people say irrespective of their religion. For me, this man made lots of sense and that is what i will concentrate on mostly
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by Dauchman(m): 12:09pm On Sep 17, 2011
BinghiNya:

very funny,

Didn't the British wipe away cities in the south in the name of religion. Christianity my foot. A religion with no direction. A religion with controversies(Child molestation, multiple forms of worship, women pastors(contrary to the bible), satanic churches, clerics who rob people of their money, deluded leaders like Thompson, Oritshejafor et al)

Islam is not forced on people(real adherents) don't force people to accept islam, it is  a way of life.

Pastor(indeed) Thompson should go back and do his assignment well. He is just spewing trash. He is trash from time. he is not known , he is seeking cheap popularity.

The greatest human carnage took place as  a result of christians causing the war(Atomic Bomb dropped by christians on Hiroshima and Nagazaki)



You were making some point until the highlighted.

Anyone could have predicted what this fella is saying. The signs have been there for so long. There is also a lot of false facts in the article though. And apparently he knows nothing about Islamic banking. Just so that you all know it simply means interest free banking. Christian states were doing this before they abandoned it and went into capitalism. Then the Muslims took over and named it Islamic banking. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it once you grasp the concept.
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by Nobody: 12:14pm On Sep 17, 2011
Rat wey never see cat na im dey hungry pass,
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by Gerrard59(m): 12:17pm On Sep 17, 2011
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Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by Nobody: 12:21pm On Sep 17, 2011
What is the poster talking about ? The dynamics have changed so Nigeria stays. UN building was bombed my Muamar Ghaddafi sympathizers, thats an open secret. UN knows the truth, but Nigeria must be blamed so the entire game plan of US CIA can come to fruition which ofcourse will not, partly because Nigerians are selfish (actually a plus) and ignorant. Ghaddafi is gone so the entire game plan has scattered. What OBJ did will be an eye opener, cos for sure, there is nothing like BH as an organization, its its a creation of the media.
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by ziccoit: 12:25pm On Sep 17, 2011
What have we not heard from the supposed men of God. All are lies as they always are. If you well grounded in pure and critical reasoning you will see how weak sush a claim is.
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by Gerrard59(m): 12:26pm On Sep 17, 2011
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Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by proffmanue(m): 12:39pm On Sep 17, 2011
I can't agree more with the Rev. The problem of Nigeria is deeper than we know and it's also a global issue.
The best world for this is " A Clash of Civilization"
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by moremi2008(m): 1:15pm On Sep 17, 2011
There really isn't a cogent thesis in all of this, just mere speculations and conspiracy theories. Clearly, there is a strong current of Islamic radicalism in the country that needs to be checked. However, you can't base national policy on mere speculation and innuendo.

Nigeria as it currently stands is unworkable and does not really have a future. The best that can happen to it is for it to break into large fragments. We have to hit the reset button on this failed British experiment.
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by sleek29(m): 1:26pm On Sep 17, 2011
True, the best thing any president can do for this country is not power, roads, education or whatever, but conveying a sovereign national conference, let us know if we should split or still stay together and state the terms of association, if we continue like this the rot would continue, I don't know why we don't have a constitution in this country but we use a military decree called '1999 constitution', the present legislature can't amend it or make it acceptable to every nigerian cuz they are a product of the same decree, u can't use mud water to wash ur dirty clothes and expect it to be clean, if we don't convey this conference, I very much expect the 2015 prediction to happen.
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by horlafact(m): 1:28pm On Sep 17, 2011
Nigeria!!!!! We need God's intervention in this country. Can any ordinary nigerian imagine this kind of thing. God please help us
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by sheyguy: 2:12pm On Sep 17, 2011
BinghiNya:

very funny,

Didn't the British wipe away cities in the south in the name of religion. Christianity my foot. A religion with no direction. A religion with controversies(Child molestation, multiple forms of worship, women pastors(contrary to the bible), satanic churches, clerics who rob people of their money, deluded leaders like Thompson, Oritshejafor et al)

Islam is not forced on people(real adherents) don't force people to accept islam, it is  a way of life.

Pastor(indeed) Thompson should go back and do his assignment well. He is just spewing trash. He is trash from time. he is not known , he is seeking cheap popularity.

The greatest human carnage took place as  a result of christians causing the war(Atomic Bomb dropped by christians on Hiroshima and Nagazaki)


CRAP! CRAP!! CRAP!!!

Before some Christians Dropped the Atomic the Japanese had earlier provoked them by attacking Pearl Harbour with no real Justification Except the fact that a war was being fought (a questionable war).
You argument is baseless.

As for the original article this thread is based on, the Islamic movement has been going on for long Muslim every have the believe that every other religion should be squeezed out of powerful position in the society
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by Greenslim: 2:20pm On Sep 17, 2011
Nigeria cannot be divided. it may tends towards it but will survive it.
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by Nobody: 2:41pm On Sep 17, 2011
very funny,

Didn't the British wipe away cities in the south in the name of religion. Christianity my foot. A religion with no direction. A religion with controversies(Child molestation, multiple forms of worship, women pastors(contrary to the bible), satanic churches, clerics who rob people of their money, deluded leaders like Thompson, Oritshejafor et al)

Islam is not forced on people(real adherents) don't force people to accept islam, it is  a way of life.

Pastor(indeed) Thompson should go back and do his assignment well. He is just spewing trash. He is trash from time. he is not known , he is seeking cheap popularity.

The greatest human carnage took place as  a result of christians causing the war (Atomic Bomb dropped by christians on Hiroshima and Nagazaki)

You are delusional, better wake up.  The British never wiped out any cities or nations in the name of religion. Religion was just a strategy for them to conquer and plunder, they were and are not Christians. World war II was not about religion (nor any of the many wars fought in Europe or elsewhere for that matter). It's always been about land,plunder,gold and cheap labour. For every British,American etc, there an Ottoman. We had an Ottoman empire (which by the way Erdogan is trying to revive) before the British empire and it was based on spreading Islamic ideology. What about Iran, Iraq and their sponsorship of terrorism? Violence is part and parcel of Islamic ideology. It's always encouraged violence right from it's beginnings and will always be violent. Stop deceiving yourself. There's a bigger picture, a group of people are pulling the strings behind the scenes using whatever means possible (whether Islam, Christianity or whatever) to achieve their set objective- Ultimate chaos.
Re: Rev Oladimeji Thinks GEJ May be Nigeria's Last President by BetaThings: 2:55pm On Sep 17, 2011
Gerrard59:



I disagree. I can say WW3 will be b/w Islam[the religion of terrorists] & Judaism/Xtianity. In other words,it will be b/w the arab world and Israel and her allies.
Islam, the religion of terrorists?
You guys should learn a little history

So who caused WWI and WWII? Muslims?
Who cause the problem of Bakassi? Muslims?
Who held a conference to carve up Africa in 1885? Muslims?
What is the dominant religion of the country whose intelligence agency has caused the most assassinations in this world? Islam?
What is the dominant religion of the country that has supported internal division the most in the world? Islam?
What is the religion of the countries that sent criminals to foreign countries and in the case of Australia to massacre the natives? Islam?

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