mazaje:

The person crying here is you. . .

mazaje:

The Koran makes an extra ordinary claims and fails to back it up with any extra ordinary evidence because baseless stories that have been shown to be false many times. . .If you read my first post I asked if you have any video evidence to show that any of the extra ordinary claims of the koran is true. . .When you provide the video evidence of an angle reciting the koranic verses to mohammed in the cave, i will provide my own video evidence remember i asked first. . .I asked if you have any video evidence for that extra ordinary claim because extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence. . .

mazaje:

Firstly according to the bible Jesus was sent to the whole world. . . Its there in the bible, the bible also says that he will not be accepted by the Jews. . .And the way to salvation according to the bible is different in the OT and the NT the bible acknowledges that. . . .You talk about inconsistencies as if the koran is not riddled with inconsistencies. . .

mazaje:

When will Allah produce the original bible so that we can see what it looks like? Muslims also DO NOT have the original koran. . . So I really do not know what you are saying here. . .You accuse the christains of not having the original bible as if muslims have the original koran . . . .

mazaje:

Because it proves my point that there is NO original koran either, the koran has 7 different versions but they were all destroyed except one by uthman. . . Uthman was not a prophet and nobody knows whether he kept the valid and original koran or destroyed it? Nobody knows how he determined which one was the correct version of koran. . . .According to some hadith parts of the koran were eating by goats in aisha's room

mazaje:

You lied that I spend my entire life on NL but according to my stats which can be seen by every body I have spent 66 days 8 hours in total here in 5 years and 5 months after registering. . .My posts total just 2.8 perday. . .If you do the maths you will see that I spend less than 30 mins here on NL each day on average so try another lie. . . .We can do the maths together. . .

mazaje:

. . .What has that got to do with anything? You said that muslims have proven the falsehood of the bible and I asked yet there are more christians than muslims in the world?. . .

mazaje:

. . . After your Elah has been shown to be a lie, you now divert to Arabic bible eh?. . .You are truly a character that never fails to give. . .Thought you were trying to equate Elah to mean Allah until your lies were shown. .Elah is NOT Allah. . .Again where does the name Allah appear in the Hebrew bible?. . .

vedaxcool:

Keep Crying .   .     .we need more it let me show you : "Bla bla bla sheep. . . . Bla bla bla sheep. . .Have you any wool. . ." that is how intelliegnt you are, at least you got the first part of the nusery rhythm right! 

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Video evidence is all we asked for! [b]Be honest we no you have no ethics you live, your statement continues to indict you, and exposes the fraud atheism is all about[/size]   

Keep moving in circles, I have made my point very clear!   

When would this pseudo-Junkie learn to argue sensibly? Christian do not have the original bible, unless you are too high to know what original means, even Christians scolars vast in the knowledge of scriptural criticism have long confessed that the bible had been altered over the years. 

The question was about the bible, we would expect any rational individual to address what was raised but dealing with a mediocre who deludes himself that he has one million dollars stashed somewhere one would not have expect any sane response, it is like asking how can i get to Aso rock then a 1 million dollars genius tells you how to get to the white house, such response we all agree is an indication of mental illness and low intellect .  .  .    , man this one expression i love in NL

Lied about what precisely that you called yourself a fo-ol or in capital letters FO-OL or that you low intellect that cannot be consistent with any form of rational argument? I still maintain:Yes, you may as well say Obama is Osama uncle, that would be more believable, a man that spends his whole Life in Nl can not possibly have a million dollars ,unless one that does illegal activities, you remind me of this corrupt Hausa politicians who are only good in stealing from the country and then passing their proceeds to their delinquent children  who end up using it in living a wayward life or stashing it abroad   

Lets see what you really wrote:

What ever. . .You said that muslims have long proved their false hood against the bible yet there are more christians than muslims. . .
Being too intelligent for his frail intellect i gave a simpler answer

and there are more theist than atheist .   .   .

now sensing the foolishne%ss of his question he immediately turned round and say:

Christians have long proved their false hood against the koran. . . .

when you read the above it becomes clear who lacks basic understanding of anything, the mediocre whose argument is consistently inconsistent is too beneath me in terms of gray matter that dealing with him makes him look like a Junkie indeed! 

Do i take this ignoramus to task? or should I spare his often daft comments?

EL: God ("mighty, strong, prominent" used 250 times in the OT See Gen. 7:1, 28:3, 35:11; Nu. 23:22; Josh. 3:10; 2 Sam. 22:31, 32; Neh. 1:5, 9:32; Isa. 9:6; Ezek. 10:5. El is linguistically equivalent to the Arabic "Allah," [size=16pt]but the attributes of Allah in Islam are entirely different from those of the God of the Hebrews as we know[/size]

Elah is Aramaic, "god." Elah appears in the Hebrew Bible in Jer. 10:11 (which is in Aramaic, and is plural, "gods". In Daniel (the Aramaic sections) Elah is used both of pagan gods, and of the true God, also plural. Elah is equivalent to the Hebrew Eloah which some think is dual; Elohim is three or more. The gods of the nations are called "elohim." The origin of Eloah is obscure. Elohim is the more common plural form of El. Eloah is used 41 times in Job between 3:4 and 40:2, but fewer than 15 times elsewhere in the OT.

The Semitic root ʾlh (Arabic ʾilāh, Aramaic 'alāh, 'elāh, Hebrew 'elōah) may be ʾlu with a parasitic h. In Ugaritic the plural form meaning "gods" is ʾilhm, equivalent to Hebrew ʾelōhîm "gods". But in Hebrew this word is also regularly used for semantically singular "God" or "god".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_%28deity%29

harakiri:

@mazaje

Why are you doing this to yourself? You'd be better off trying to catch a blue whale with a fishing line out in the Atlantic ocean. It's pointless man (and you know it).

mazaje:

Am just bantering with the guy, cos am somewhere in south korea and the place is just so boring, when ever i get into my room i use this to past some time for before watching some movies. . .You know me na. . . .Going back to my base tomorrow so am signing out man. . .how u dey?

harakiri:

I just dey men. Another weekend for Naija. You know as e dey go na. Wetin troway you reach SK? Biz or Vac?

mazaje:

Na biz ohh, vacation for where? the people here are cold jare, i no dey feel them, but the place fine die sha them get cool places for here no lie. . . Paper chasing man, no where paper no dey carry man enter na. . .We suppose hook up ohh if i enter naija. . .Will buzz you when am in town i suppose enter for december. . .

harakiri:

Na so e suppose be. Nawtin do we. If 2 say dis site bin get PM, i for drop fb and bb contacts but me no know how to do am. If man pikin try am opendential, na im be say i dey invite "Repent! Give your life to Christ! !God loves you! ! !" spam messages everyday. How e go be?

mazaje:

No worry, when time reach i go open a new email address cos i no wan drop my real email address for here, then you go send mail to the email address and i go give u my contact. . .U sef go open email and let me know the email u will be using to reply my mail cos i once dropped a new email here and received 3 mails all claiming to be the person i dropped the email for  . . .Didn't reply any of the mails but ended up meeting the person i wanted to meet through another means. . . .

mazaje:

Bla bla bla bla sheep. . . .

mazaje:

So atheism is a fraud yet your fellow muslims brothers and sisters are running away from Islamic countries like that have ethics to live by like Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Bangladesh etc in droves to come and join us in the Scandinavia and the fraud we are all about eh? We we all have no ethics but they are dying to get here to better their lives, eh?. . .Interesting. . .So it is only the religious that have ethics, yet Nigeria which happens to be one of the most religious country remains one of the most corrupt and unethical places to live on earth eh?. . .Interesting. . .

mazaje:

That you do not understand what the bible is talking about right. . . .Nice point indeed. . .

mazaje:

Ok agreed Christians do not have the original bible, where did Allah hide the original bible? Or was it also eaten by the goat that ate part of the koran in aisha's room?. . . Pls tell. . .

mazaje:

The question is also about the koran, you say that christians do not have the original bible as if muslims also have the original koran, you listed some scholars that agreed that the bible has been tempered with, and I did the same , I also listed some scholars that stated that the original koran is no where to be found. . .Keep crying about my wealth e be like say the thing dey pain you, all you need to do is work hard, with some little luck and the right connections you can also have a million dollars. . .

Let measure his intelligence once again; here was what he wrote quote author=mazaje link=topic=773369.msg9318932#msg9318932 date=1318363833]
The christians have already produced the bible as the original, you claim it has been corrupted then its up to you and Allah to provide the original copy that was not corrupted no?. . .Where is the original copy?. . .Look who is talking about arguing like a junkie

mazaje:

Nope, you lied that I spend my entire life on NL and as such can not have a million dollars. . .Your evidence to show that I spend all my life on NL is what?. . .

mazaje:

You didn't give any answer because I never asked you anything about the atheist, the question was about christians and muslims not about any atheist, I didn't say anything about the atheist, remember you said that "
we would expect any rational individual to address what was raised but dealing with a mediocre who deludes himself that he has one million dollars stashed somewhere one would not have expect any sane response, it is like asking how can i get to Aso rock then a 1 million dollars genius tells you how to get to the white house

let me play your games too. . .Live by your words, and stop addressing what was not raised. . .



Is it a lie, the christians have long proved their false hood against the koran. . . .

mazaje:


Lets see who the ignoramous really is. . .

mazaje:

This can NOT be the same as Allah of the koran, because according to the claims of muslims arabic is the only language, and islam is the only religion, that has given the personal name of God which is Allah, the name according to islam can not be used for other Gods which are lesser because it is the personal name of God as revealed by islam alone. . .Elah is used both for pagan Gods in the bible so it can not be Allah because according to the koran, it says that "Do you know anyone who can be named along with Him?" (19:65). . . .Allah is NOT Elah and not the same with the God of the bible as the link you provided from wikipedia stated. . .

According to islam the word Allah can not be used for pagan Gods. . Arabic is the only language, and islam is the only religion, that has given the personal name of God according to muslims as distinct from attributive names such as lord, almighty, the most high, etc which are all used in the bible over and over again to refer to Yahweh. . . 

divinereal:

Ol boy, na so I miss this intellectual parry eh, mental sparring? You guys are too much oh!

I saw my name some where in your back and forth correspondence, so I had to respond small.

The Qur'an remains the proof that indeed Muhammad pbuh, a man known not to be learned, received revelation from Allah, the other time bovinereal, sorry divinereal asked why the Qur'an did not specify the weight of the earth, I only wonder which claim is more .  .  .,   statement from Mullah Islam himself, Uncle Vedaxcool (pbuh)

Vedaxcool, this is concept your infantile mind refuses to grasp:

[b]Indoctrination is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology (see doctrine).[1] It is often distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned.[2] As such the term may be used pejoratively, often in the context of education, political opinions, theology or religious dogma. Instruction in the scientific method, in particular, cannot properly be called indoctrination, in the sense that the fundamental principles of science call for critical self-evaluation and skeptical scrutiny of one's own ideas, a stance outside any doctrine.[3] In practice, however, a certain level of non-rational indoctrination, usually seen as miseducative, is invariably present.[4] The term is closely linked to socialization; in common discourse, indoctrination is often associated with negative connotations, while socialization refers to cultural or educational learning[/b]

Mazaje (sp) has been owning you the whole time, nuff said. Read up on the french philosopher Descartes to understand how to differentiate btw reality and myth.  I will leave you to marinate on that one for a minute. Your barbarian bedouin arabian myths, ideologies and superstitions  do not pass the scientific method test period. 

divinereal:

^^^^Another silly response from an extremist that thinks an arabian nights/tales ideology has the answer to the worlds problems and is the word of "god".

Your argument that I am the one who is indoctrinated is a misleading notion and utterly baseless. [b]Unlike you Vandalcool, my value system and (and possibly the rest of the free thinking crew) is based on critical self evaluation and reason, not on any book, doctrine or dogma. I do not hold on to religious or cultural ideas if they do not make sense or are not functional in the modern world. You on the other hand belief in "absolute" truths from the koran, your prohet and islamic doctrine. You try to emulate his actions and adopt his morality and world view. Now that is the classic definition of INDOCTRINATION. You know why you are indoctrinated? I can give one good example. Here answer this question -  Can you give your analysis on some of the possibly percieved negative things that  prophet Mohammed did in is lifetime? What about this simple question, what could be some negative effects of women wearing a hijab/niqab or its impractically in the modern world? Or name some negative effects of Islam (even if it is interpreted wrong by terrorists) on the rest of the world? Unlike you I can discuss the negative and positive aspects of Religion, Agnosticism, Atheism, Science etc. But you on the other hand hold on to absolute truths from a 7th century society and "prophet".[/b]

If christian, muslims, traditional worshippers, Americans, Nigerians, Kenyans or Chinese have a practical solution to a problem or issue I can adopt it into my moral framework. Likewise, if they have a impractical, problematic or inhumane cultural/religious practice then I do away with it. That alone proves that I am NOT INDOCTRINATED. My life, morality and decisions do not have to fit into a religious context or identity. I am who I am, I make my decisions based on reason and not dogma.

My morality transcends religion, race, tribe and culture and is a constant work in progress based on newly available scientific evidence not based on the world view of bronze age men and societies.

divinereal:

^^^^Another silly response from an extremist that thinks an arabian nights/tales ideology has the answer to the worlds problems and is the word of "god".

Your argument that I am the one who is indoctrinated is a misleading notion and utterly baseless. [b]Unlike you Vandalcool, my value system and (and possibly the rest of the free thinking crew) is based on critical self evaluation and reason, not on any book, doctrine or dogma. I do not hold on to religious or cultural ideas if they do not make sense or are not functional in the modern world. You on the other hand belief in "absolute" truths from the koran, your prohet and islamic doctrine. You try to emulate his actions and adopt his morality and world view. Now that is the classic definition of INDOCTRINATION. You know why you are indoctrinated? I can give one good example. Here answer this question -  Can you give your analysis on some of the possibly percieved negative things that  prophet Mohammed did in is lifetime? What about this simple question, what could be some negative effects of women wearing a hijab/niqab or its impractically in the modern world? Or name some negative effects of Islam (even if it is interpreted wrong by terrorists) on the rest of the world? Unlike you I can discuss the negative and positive aspects of Religion, Agnosticism, Atheism, Science etc. But you on the other hand hold on to absolute truths from a 7th century society and "prophet".[/b]

If christian, muslims, traditional worshippers, Americans, Nigerians, Kenyans or Chinese have a practical solution to a problem or issue I can adopt it into my moral framework. Likewise, if they have a impractical, problematic or inhumane cultural/religious practice then I do away with it. That alone proves that I am NOT INDOCTRINATED. My life, morality and decisions do not have to fit into a religious context or identity. I am who I am, I make my decisions based on reason and not dogma.

My morality transcends religion, race, tribe and culture and is a constant work in progress based on newly available scientific evidence not based on the world view of bronze age men and societies.

chrisj2000:

What is Faith but absence of reason. The existence of god can not be disproved because it has never been proven. We don't need to argue about whether god exists or not. Let believers prove that their respective gods exist by payers. What is the use of a god who claims he can answer prayer and yet believers are surrounded by needs that their omnipotent god cannot provide. Only a fool will believe in any god. Since there are millions of gods, how can we even know which is the right one.
I have one question for all believers; if you are seriously sick will you prefer a doctor or a priest?

I try to be civil on forums like this,but the bolded part would make me give you a reply on the same wavelength.

Its only a grammysque-winning fool that would believe he was created by an accidental spark and its only a mega-deluded chimp with a brain

processing speed so slow that it would defy quantum physics and anatomic law benchmarks that would accept that his great-grandfathers

were closer to being tree-hopping monkeys,than human beings and that his ancestors were closer to being crabs,mollusks,crustaceans,than

mammals and primates. Same fellas that champion the cause of evolution on nairaland never ask themselves why most whites would prefer to

believe that Africans evolved from chimps via their Evolution theories,but they won't accept the part of evolution that suggests that they

themselves originated from Africa,and some Nigerian hypocrite would be the first bunch to say that Religion was meant by the colonial masters to

veil our faces. Deluded cretins.

Konjour:

I try to be civil on forums like this,but the bolded part would make me give you a reply on the same wavelength.

Its only a grammysque-winning fool that would believe he was created by an accidental spark and its only a mega-deluded chimp with a brain

processing speed so slow that it would defy quantum physics and anatomic law benchmarks that would accept that his great-grandfathers

were closer to being tree-hopping monkeys,than human beings and that his ancestors were closer to being crabs,mollusks,crustaceans,than

mammals and primates. Same fellas that champion the cause of evolution on nairaland never ask themselves why most whites would prefer to

believe that Africans evolved from chimps via their Evolution theories,but they won't accept the part of evolution that suggests that they

themselves originated from Africa,and some Nigerian hypocrite would be the first bunch to say that Religion was meant by the colonial masters to

veil our faces. Deluded cretins.

Konjour:

I try to be civil on forums like this,but the bolded part would make me give you a reply on the same wavelength.

Its only a grammysque-winning fool that would believe he was created by an accidental spark and its only a mega-deluded chimp with a brain

processing speed so slow that it would defy quantum physics and anatomic law benchmarks that would accept that his great-grandfathers

were closer to being tree-hopping monkeys,than human beings and that his ancestors were closer to being crabs,mollusks,crustaceans,than

mammals and primates. Same fellas that champion the cause of evolution on nairaland never ask themselves why most whites would prefer to

believe that Africans evolved from chimps via their Evolution theories,but they won't accept the part of evolution that suggests that they

themselves originated from Africa,and some Nigerian hypocrite would be the first bunch to say that Religion was meant by the colonial masters to

veil our faces. Deluded cretins.

Sagamite:

Even though majority of this your post is completely illogical, I will focus on this.

Where did you get that rubbish fact I bolded there?

Konjour:

Dude,if the majority of my post is completely illogical,discredit mine with your logical post.

And you don't have to be a Scientist to comprehend the bolded part of my post. If you have anything contrary to that gives me the

impression that an average "white" european walking on your street believes he/she is a descendant of banana-munching negroes,feel free and

post on.

Sagamite:

No! You made the statement.

YOU, show me your source.

Or was it a conjecture?

Konjour:

I am my source and it is a conjecture. Disprove it if you can.

Sagamite:

So it is a conjecture?

Good!

Now lets conclude it is a silly conjecture. The fact that you are your source and you have no reasoning behind it suggests this.

Explain to me how it was concluded and accepted that homo sapiens (Humans) originated from Africa. Do you think that conclusion was promoted by University of Oshogbo?

Where did you do a survey showing the average whiteman is denying this theory?

Konjour:

It is my conjecture mate,and if you can't disprove it to me in any "logical" way other than insinuations,then your "logic" is as silly as mine.

Same thing applies if i tell you i'v been to Purgatory and Dante's inferno and you can't disprove it.

Where are your survey reports that shows that the earliest specimens of Homo Sapien skulls as evidenced by carbon dating that were found in

Kenya,Namibia and Angola were nothing but parts of conspiracy theories?,if you can't,then your reasoning is just as silly as mine.

Where is your survey showing the average whiteman accepts the theory that he comes from Africa? If you can't produce credible sources,then

your argument about "logic" and "logical reasoning" is baseless and empty.

Disprove my conjectures and stop chipping on about "logic". "Logic" is only what you make of it. Conjectures are same until you can prove me

wrong. Got me?

Sagamite:

No, I don't get you.

You have no shred of evidence to back your conjecture, so there is really no need to disprove it. The fact that there is no shred of evidence you can produce shows it is senseless. You put your finger in the air and vomitted something without any reasoning behind it.

It is as silly as saying IBB killed Pol Pot and then you tell people to disprove you. It is a senseless conjecture that you yourself admit. It does not need disproving. Debating about "prove" of something that does not even have any underlying facts can only make someone dumber.

It is the same WHITE people that postulated that all man originated from Africa. There is no evidence you can produce that this is disputed by the average white men on the streets.