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| Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by moderatorr: 3:28pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
4 days ago LONDON — Foreign Secretary William Hague on Wednesday said he "deplored" reports that Iran was about to execute a pastor after he refused to give up Christianity and return to Islam. Hague urged the Iranian regime to respect its international human rights commitments and overturn the ruling. "I deplore reports that pastor Youcef Nadarkhani, an Iranian Church leader, could be executed imminently after refusing an order by the supreme court of Iran to recant his faith," Hague said in a statement. The former Conservative party leader commented that the reports illustrated Iran's "continued unwillingness to abide by its constitutional and international obligations to respect religious freedom. "I pay tribute to the courage shown by pastor Nadarkhani who has no case to answer and call on the Iranian authorities to overturn his sentence," he added. Nadarkhani, now in his 30s, became a pastor of a small evangelical community called the Church of Iran after converting from Islam at the age of 19. Iranian authorities arrested him for apostasy in 2009 and sentenced him to death under Islamic Sharia law. The pastor was spared by a supreme court appeal ruling in July, his laywer told AFP, but was again condemned to death after the case was reheard at a court in his home town of Gilan, according to media reports. |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by moderatorr: 3:37pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
this is how we spread our faith(christianity) by surrendering our lives to practice what we preach , if need be, started by Jesus. Not by bombing the UN general office and police head quaters! |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by Pennywise(m): 3:47pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
Hmmn. Iran must be one cold/hostile place to be a pastor. The mullahs will murd you. |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by LagosShia: 4:04pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
[b]the topic of the thread is misleading. the presence of christianity in iran and countries like syria,lebanon,palestine and jordan are centuries old.christians are well treated in iran as a minority. however in the case of this pastor,it has nothing to do with foricing him to accept islam.the pastor was allegedly muslim and iranian before he became christian at the age of 19 years old.iran is not against christians and that has being the policy of the islamic republic by treating minorities with respect. however there is a recent plot by evengelicals who go to iran to wreck havoc.they first of all confuse young iranians and lay captive for them.they exploit their financial conditions to offer them things like money and even visas to western countries promising them honey and butter.that is the entire issue about this iranian pastor. it is of more concern to me because iranians are most Shia,like myself.and the tolerance and implimentation of verse 2:256 of the Holy Quran is given more importance and emphasis by the Shia school of thought than the Sunnis do.and worse are the salafists aka wahhabis (a minority among sunnis) who believe "infidels should be killed".LOL "there is no compulsion in religion" (Holy Quran 2:256)[/b] |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by Nobody: 4:19pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
Allegedly !!!  So in your opinion , no Muslim has ever converted to Christianity except in alleged cases, right  iran is not against christians and that has being the policy of the islamic republic by treating minorities with respect. No comment !!!! however there is a recent plot by evengelicals who go to iran to wreck havoc.they first of all confuse young iranians and lay captive for them.they exploit their financial conditions to offer them things like money and even visas to western countries [b]promising them honey and butter.[/b]that is the entire issue about this iranian pastor. No need to comment here, this is a common Muslim lie all over the Internet , especially YouTube ,where they attribute any conversion to Christianity as a result of bribes. Old lie, come up with a new one !! "there is no compulsion in religion" (Holy Quran 2:256) hahahahahahahhahahahahahaha another old lie Go and tell all those thousands of beheaded formers Muslims who converted to Christianity !!! |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by JeSoul(f): 4:20pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
LagosShia:. . . and you were able to type this with a straight |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by LagosShia: 4:21pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
Prof. Dr. Hassan Rahimpour Azghadi (Persian: رحیم پور ازغدی) is a lecturer, philosopher and political strategist and popular television personality in the Islamic Republic of Iran explain the "Iranians Embrace Christianity Joke": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLtY2owbCGM&feature=player_embedded read posts from a shia forum discussing this same issue: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/234982621-in-iran-a-christian-pastor-faces-death-sentence/ |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by LagosShia: 4:24pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
JeSoul: yes.one of the oldest churches on the face of the earth is found in iran.there are communities in iran who are historically christians like catholics and orthodox and armenians.those are respected as iranian citizens who live side by side with their muslim brothers.what is not tolarated are those "holy ghost fire" possessed evangelicals who want to spread their ameircan christianity innovations and imaginations.they especially do that with bribes and material rewards especially with the young and guillible among the youths. |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by LagosShia: 4:27pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
frosbel: there is really nothing to discuss with you.even if you witness Jesus commanding you to become muslim,you will belie him.and if you see the devil himself converting people to christianity,you will worship him.you're mentally deluded. i still did not get a reaction from you after i replied to your post in the below thread: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-772940.0.html |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by JeSoul(f): 4:34pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
LagosShia:My dear friend, have you forgotten that we had the discussion before? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-552372.0.html#msg7164375 YOU Quote from: LagosShia on November 17, 2010, 05:04 AM ME: Quote from: JeSoul on November 17, 2010, 04:39 PM  |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by JeSoul(f): 4:36pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
LagosShia:Speaking philosophically, and as a human being, do you think it is right for anyone to be sentenced to [b]death for his 'crime'?[/b] I just want to know what you LGS think. Thanks. |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by Nobody: 4:38pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
there is really nothing to discuss with you.even if you witness Jesus commanding you to become muslim,you will belie him.and if you see the devil himself converting people to christianity,you will worship him.you're mentally deluded. After reading the bolded, I want to become a Muslim now ! Your choice of language attracts me to the religion of peace  |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by LagosShia: 4:41pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
JeSoul: the link you presented is talking about "massacring christians in iraq".all peace loving muslims will condemnd anyone who assault out christian brothers.at least that is the position of the shia and their religious authorities.we do not believe in bombing places of worship,be they muslim or christian and sunni or shia.that is far apart from what we are discussing here. |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by Nobody: 4:46pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
^^ Reserve this story for another day , please. |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by Nobody: 4:50pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
Hanged for being a Christian in Iran Eighteen years ago, Rashin Soodmand's father was hanged in Iran for converting to Christianity. Now her brother is in a Mashad jail, and expects to be executed under new religious laws brought in this summer. Alasdair Palmer reports. A month ago, the Iranian parliament voted in favour of a draft bill, entitled "Islamic Penal Code", which would codify the death penalty for any male Iranian who leaves his Islamic faith. Women would get life imprisonment. The majority in favour of the new law was overwhelming: 196 votes for, with just seven against. Imposing the death penalty for changing religion blatantly violates one of the most fundamental of all human rights. The right to freedom of religion is enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and in the European Convention of Human Rights. It is even enshrined as Article 23 of Iran's own constitution, which states that no one may be molested simply for his beliefs. And yet few politicians or clerics in Iran see any contradiction between a law mandating the death penalty for changing religion and Iran's constitution. There has been no public protest in Iran against it. David Miliband, Britain's Foreign Secretary, stands out as one of the few politicians from any Western country who has put on record his opposition to making apostasy a crime punishable by death. The protest from the EU has been distinctly muted; meanwhile, Germany, Iran's largest foreign trading partner, has just increased its business deals with Iran by more than half. Characteristically, the United Nations has said nothing. It is a sign of how little interest there is in Iran's intention to launch a campaign of religious persecution that its parliamentary vote has still not been reported in the mainstream media. William Hague urges Iran to spare life of pastor facing execution 29 Sep 2011 For one woman living in London, however, the Iranian parliamentary vote cannot be brushed aside. Rashin Soodmand is a 29-year-old Iranian Christian. Her father, Hossein Soodmand, was the last man to be executed in Iran for apostasy, the "crime" of abandoning one's religion. He had converted from Islam to Christianity in 1960, when he was 13 years old. Thirty years later, he was hanged by the Iranian authorities for that decision. Today, Rashin's brother, Ramtin, is also held in a prison cell in Mashad, Iran's holiest city. He was arrested on August 21. He has not been charged but he is a Christian. And Rashin fears that, just as her father was the last man to be executed for apostasy in Iran, her brother may become one of the first to be killed under Iran's new law. Not surprisingly, Rashin is desperately worried. "I am terribly anxious about him," she explains. "Even though my brother is not an apostate, because he has never been a Muslim – my father raised us all as Christians – I don't think he is safe. They assume that if you are Iranian, you must be Muslim." Her brother's situation has ominous echoes of her father's fate. Rashin was 14 when her father was arrested. "He was held in prison for one month," she remembers. "Then the religious police released him without explanation and without apology. We were overjoyed. We thought his ordeal was over." But six months later, the police came back and took her father away again. This time, they offered him a choice: he could denounce his Christian faith, and the church in which he was a pastor – or he would be killed. "Of course, my father refused to give up his faith," Rashid recalls proudly. "He could not renounce his God. His belief in Christ was his life – it was his deepest conviction." So two weeks later, Hossein Soodmand was taken by guards to the prison gallows and hanged. Life for Rashin, her siblings and her mother became extremely difficult. Some Muslims are extremely hostile to people of any other religion, never mind to those who they consider apostates: Ayatollah Khomeini declared that "non-Muslims are impure", insisting that for Muslims to wash the clothes of non-Muslims, or to eat food with non-Muslims, or even to use utensils touched by non-Muslims, would spoil their purity. The family was supported with financial and other help from a Christian church based in Iran. That support became even more critical as Rashin's mother began to lose her sight. Rashin herself was eventually able to leave Iran. She now lives in London, married to a fellow Christian from Iran who successfully applied for asylum in Germany. It took years for Rashin to understand how her father could have been legally executed simply for becoming a Christian. In 1990, there was no parliamentary law mandating the death for apostates. What, then, was the legal basis for Hossein Soodmand's execution? "After the revolution of 1979, Iran's rulers wanted to turn Iran into an Islamic state, and to abolish the secular laws of the Shah," explains Alexa Papadouris of Christian Solidarity Worldwide, a human rights organisation that specialises in freedom of religion. "So the clerics instituted a mandate for judges presiding over criminal cases: if the existing penal code did not include legislation on whether a certain kind of behaviour is an offence, then the judges should refer to traditional Islamic jurisprudence." In other words: sharia law. "That automatically created problems" says Mr Papadouris, "because Islamic jurisprudence is not codified law: it is a series of formulations developed across generations by scholars and clerics. Depending on the Islamic school or historical era, these formulations can differ and even contradict each other." On one subject, however, sharia law is unequivocal: men who change their religion from Islam must be punished with death. So when the judge heard the case of Rashid's father, he could refer to sharia and reach a straightforward decision: the death penalty. There was no procedure for appeal. Nevertheless, in the 18 years since Hossein Soodmand's execution, there have been no judicially sanctioned killings of apostates in Iran, although there have been many reports of disappearances and even murders. "As the number of converts from Islam grows," notes Ms Papadouris, "apostasy has again become a serious concern for the Iranian government." In addition to 10,000 Christian converts living in Iran, there are several hundred thousand Baha'is who are deemed apostates. There is another factor: President Ahmadinejad. "The President didn't initiate the law mandating the death penalty for apostates," says Papadouris, "but he has been lobbying for it. It is an effective form of playing populist politics. The Iranian economy is doing very badly, and the country is in a mess: Ahmadinejad may be calculating that he can gain support, and deflect attention from Iran's problems, by persecuting apostates." The new law is not yet in force in Iran: it requires another vote in parliament, and then the signature of the Ayatollah. But that could happen within a matter of weeks. "Or," says Papadouris, "it could conceivably be allowed to drop, were there a powerful enough international outcry". Time may be running out for Rashin's brother. She believes that the new law will be applied in an arbitrary fashion, with individuals selected for death being chosen to frighten others into submission. That is why she fears for her brother. "We just don't know what will happen to him. We only know that if they want to kill him, they will." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/3179465/Hanged-for-being-a-Christian-in-Iran.html |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by Nobody: 4:51pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
LagosShia , sure we believe you , |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by LagosShia: 4:52pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
JeSoul: JeSoul i am not going to answer your question.do you know why? because whatever i think would be used against me.but to make it clearly for you to understand is this: when these evengelical christians who are full of zealotry,fanaticism and hatred for muslims and islam from america in particular go to a muslims country like iran,they know very well that proselythization to muslims is against the law.but guess what? they believe they are there to do a justified cause and they have prepared their mind to "die for their lord". there was a similar case in afghanistan,when a number of jehovah's witnesses were either sentenced or killed.they knew that what they are going there to do is illegal. for instance,when i was in europe crossing the border between germany and holland,i saw how many youths were humiliated through searching them.in holland weed is legal.in germany it is not.so you dont bring it in in the name of freedom.there is a price to pay. |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by LagosShia: 4:54pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
frosbel: no one is interested in your type becoming a muslim.we already got too many re.tards in nigeria who claim islam.your embracing of muslim in the state you're in,would be burdensome to the image of islam. you are used to emotional beliefs like "blood for sin" and believing blindly and using bribe to convince others.those are your ways.a muslim is expected to think rationally and find the truth. |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by debosky(m): 5:02pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
Iran is tolerant of minorities but declares a death penalty on those who change religion. If that is tolerance, I don't even want to imagine what intolerance is. LagosShia: So the price to pay is to kill the person? For preaching about another religion or seeking to convert others? Which 'religiously tolerant' country makes it illegal to preach your religion or try to convert others? This your support of a 'tolerant' Iran is more enlightening by the minute. |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by LagosShia: 5:15pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
when talking about punishment for apostacy in islam,the death penalty is not prescribed as punishment in the Quran.there is no killing for apostacy.this issue is controversial even in islamic circles.that is my personal take on the issue.i believe capital punishment for apostacy is a judeo-christian tradition found in the bible where "everyone should be stoned" literally.however,if a law exists somewhere,then it must be respected.we know how you must behave as a roman when in rome.it is part of iranian law that proselythization is a criminal act.then dont go there doing it.that also does not mean that iran does not respect or protect its minorities among them christians who have being there for about 2000 years. this is the take of the Quran: "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects Taghut and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." [2:256] "Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe again, then disbelieve, and then increase in their disbelief - Allah will never forgive them nor guide them to the path."[4:137]. if (4:137),if a person is to be killed for apostacy,then how can he believe again after he disbelieves? |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by Nobody: 5:23pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
It's fun to watch when two drunkards with differing tastes in wine argue about which one is better and gives the most satisfaction. |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by LagosShia: 5:27pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
THE BIBLE SAYS EVERYBODY SHOULD BE STONED! For touching Mount Sinai 13There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.Exodus 19:13 For taking "accursed things" Achan , took of the accursed thing. , And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. , So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Joshua 7:1-26 For cursing or blaspheming And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16 For adultery (including urban despoil victims who fail to scream loud enough) If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24 For animals (like an ox that gores a human) If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned. Exodus 21:28 For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her , and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say , these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. , But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21 For worshipping other gods If there be found among you , that , hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them , Then shalt thou , tone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers , thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10 For disobeying parents If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother , Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city , And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 For witches and wizards A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:27 For giving your children to Molech Whosoever , giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. Leviticus 20:2 For breaking the Sabbath They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. , And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones, And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-56 For cursing the king Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die. 1 Kings 21:10 |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by LagosShia: 5:39pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
DEATH PENALTY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT (lest an ignorant christian disown the old testament verses and its laws presented in my last post) first let me quote from Mathew before i give instances of capital punishment in the NT: Matthew 5:18-19: "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." examples of death as punishment: Acts 5:1-11 1 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.” 5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6 Then some young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him. 7 About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 Peter asked her, “Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?” “Yes,” she said, “that is the price.” 9 Peter said to her, “How could you conspire to test the Spirit of the Lord? Listen! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.” 10 At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events. Romans 13:1-5 Submission to Governing Authorities 1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. the missionaries in iran should have heed paul's advice in the book of romans 13:1-5 in submitting to the government!!! or may be the missionaries should have should have kept in mind the below when they wanted to deceive young and guillible muslim youths: 2 Peter 2:12 "These false teachers are like unthinking animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed. They scoff at things they do not understand, and like animals, they will be destroyed." |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by debosky(m): 5:46pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
Who is talking about 'bible' here? Are we not talking about being 'tolerant'? If Iran is truly tolerant, they wouldn't kill people for preaching other religions - that is NOT tolerant. Good you have mentioned that it is 'controversial' in Islamic circles - that is, some believe you should be killed, others believe that you shouldn't. I think it is abundantly clear where the Iranians stand - they believe in killing for so called apostasy. Instead of moving off point, why not clarify your position on the allegedly tolerant Iran? Either you are wrong about Iran being tolerant, or your own definition of tolerance involves killing those that preach a different message. The only thing you have shown is that some of you Muslims simply decide to kill, regardless of whether it has been 'commanded' in the Quran or not. And when not, your ilk justify it by saying it is the law of the land.  |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by LagosShia: 5:54pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
debosky: 2 Peter 2:12 "These false teachers are like unthinking animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed. They scoff at things they do not understand, and like animals, they will be destroyed." |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by debosky(m): 5:57pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
My point went waaay over your head didn't it? This is not about the 'bible' nor what it teaches - this is about the alleged tolerance of Iran (a Shia country just like yourself). As far as I know, the pastor wasn't killed because of a biblical command so of what value is the copy and pasting you're doing here? Another pathetic failure to address the issues being raised - can you simply respond to the question below? debosky: |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by LagosShia: 5:59pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
debosky: because iran is tolerant to its minorities and give them rights that minorities even in europe do not have,does not give american zealot missionaries the right to break iranian law. does tolerance mean testing the law? does it mean every iranian must convert and follow the steps of the missionaries? why do you want to take liberty for license? they give you an inch and you take a mile!!! |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by thehomer: 6:03pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
Sorry to interrupt but I simply had to respond to this. LagosShia: The answer can be yes it is appropriate or no it isn't appropriate. Not whatever you think but whatever you say that may be used against you. Though I doubt that if you said it was inappropriate, it would be used against you. LagosShia: Aren't there Muslims who are full of zealotry, fanaticism and hatred for other groups of people around the world? Do you think proselytizing should be against the law? We need your own opinions here. LagosShia: Do you think it is okay to kill people for their religious beliefs or for trying to spread their religions by talking? LagosShia: I think this example is irrelevant because weed is nothing like a religious idea. You see, when you and many other Muslims refuse to engage such questions in your communities, you shouldn't be surprised that people use your silence as acquiescence for other atrocities like terrorism. It is up to Muslims like yourself (if you do not agree with it) to speak up or be painted with a broad brush. |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by thehomer: 6:04pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
LagosShia: And killing someone for changing their religion is an example of tolerance? Are you serious? |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by debosky(m): 6:07pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
LagosShia: So to you it is tolerant to kill people for preaching other religions. Thanks for the confirmation - at least we know where you stand. As for Iran giving more rights to minorities than Europe, may I just remind you that NO MOSLEM would be killed for preaching his religion in Europe. You are definitely right about that - no minorities in Europe have the 'right' to be killed for preaching other religions. |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by JeSoul(f): 6:13pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
thehomer:thehomer, thank you very much for this interjection, very well stated sir. Lagosshia, I'm going to challenge you a little harder brother. We discussed not too long ago on that 'mad man thread' about obvious answers that may clash with our religious beliefs. I have no intention of 'using your own answer against you', infact on the contrary it would improve the negative estimation of muslims in this section to hear someone like you call out something wrong for what it is. Should it be right for a man to be sentenced to death simply because of what he believes? How does that reconcile with your faith? thanks in advance. |
| Re: Iran: Pastor Sentenced To Death For Refusing To Accept Islam! by JeSoul(f): 6:18pm On Oct 03, 2011 |
LagosShia:You missed the point. You attempted to cite the 'oldest church in the world' in Iran as an example of their tolerance to which I was responding as I did a yr ago: Furthermore, you're citing Iran as an example of tolerance? oh dear, this topic is too serious for these kinds of jokes oh. I watched a documentary on this "oldest church" just a few weeks ago actually. You herald it as a symbol of tolerance. Did you know the church (which is practically on the turkish border by the way) is not even used/occupied? but is rather a national tourism site? bringing in money for the govt.? and that people are not allowed to even pray in it? and that one of the sculptures on the outside of the building is that of the Ayatollah?Get it now? |
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