Waoh!!
I still dont understand why pple generally see and confirm Islam through human behaviours, the Quran clearly states the acts that would be perpetrated by muslim (hypocrites). It also states clearly the best behaviour a man should portray, so many of them that you see but ignore when you read the Quran. Atimes i feel like crying when i read about all these blasphemous postings by the christians with their dogmatic understanding of Islam.

My advice is this, for you (christians) to get an understanding of Islam, kindly take away your minds from any form of materialism or what is Islam going to offer you and base your mind with what you can achieve for your soul because the ultimate goal and reason why you are on this earth is to make heaven. Although that lies in your hands.

To the title of this thread, let me assure you that Islam does not preach hatred of christians or any other religions one can find but instead it enjoins us to relate to them and let the light of Islam to alway glow in any of our relatiings to them, so that even if they dont accept, they would at least appreciate it.

I enjoin you to make your rsearch very well bearing in mind the above considerations, afterward i bet you`ll at least appreciate it if you wont accept it. I stand to be challenged.

Peace as usual.

Isaho, go to this thread and see what this so called peaceloving christians have in their bible. You will be shocked at what you see. I mean I was flabbergasted. I can understand now why reverend chose not to practice christianity.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-17418.32.html#msg484688

@Babyosisi, below is a perfect example of Baloney.

babyosisi:

@olaajia since you introduced the subject of shabby dressing,did you read of what was found in the rooms of the 9/11 terrorists.
In case you don't know there were  evidence of bar hopping,escorts and obscene pictures,perhaps they were previewing their virgins,hypocrites!!!.

What's the connection between terrorists and Islam? Answer the questions I asked, and stop raising silly issues! So because I saw a thief that is a Christian all Christians are thieves You are very smart indeed!

OlaAjia,

thanks for the simple differentiation to the simpleton. U know what they say about common sense,

babyosisi:

Olaajia
it is not possible for me to reason with you since in the 21st century your ideal state is one that cuts off peoples hands and feet for petty crimes,treats women a little higher than animals,a country that has produced more terrorists than any other.May your allah help you.

My ideal state is one that promotes Justice and equality among men, notwithstanding the century we are! Petty crime you say? Are you not the same people that proclaim that all sins are equal? So why do you distinguish between crimes? My ideal country is one that gives women the respect they deserve! So your own ideal country is one that allow women dress shabbily, then when they are raped, lo and behold! All heaven let loose on the media. Would you not rather prefer to be looked upon with respect and dignity, rather that being looked upon as a sex organ that men use and dump? A country that has produced more terrorists you say. When the countries that "have not produced terrorists" invade other countries and kills thousands of women, children and civilians, you say they are fighting terrorism. How Ironical! Fact file: The number of Iraqi civilians that died in the war overshadowed the number of both Iraqi and American soldiers that died put together. But you will happily agree that all Arabs or Muslims for that matter are terrorist(Very fair judgment right?). Thanks for praying for the help of Allah for me, but next time, use capital A for Allah if you want to pray in his name. Did you not do nouns in school?

babyosisi:

If you must know,I lived in Kano and Kaduna for a while,I heard of homosexuality first amongst muslims in these 2 states who would lock up their wives and child brides behind high walls and go messing around with fellow men.
Stop all the pretence and call Islam what it is:a religion that sees nothing wrong with            that lacks tolerance,is murderous in nature and degrades women.Remember Aisha 6,9 or 16?

If you must know, I lived in Lagos and I saw cases of Christian men that are homosexuals, who shamelessly declared it in public, but rather unlike you, I will not conclude that Christianity preaches homosexualism.(Stop these your generalizing sentiments and face the questions posed)

babyosisi:

I see it and the whole world sees it,you can never convince anyone otherwise,shout from now till the cows come home.
Why do you think the red flags all go up when you muslims want to go to the west?they know you're not coming to spread peace.Muslims don't hate Christians you say, how then do you explain the foolish utterances of your leaders in Naija that have sent your youths in murderous rampage?

( you and your escapist sentiments!) I am not trying to convince you otherwise, as that to me, is like casting pearls before swines! I will not shout, as I have only posed your questions back to you. How awful, you're mistaking questions and tough challenges as shouts.

babyosisi:

Call me any names you want,it will never be anything compared to the thousands you have slaughtered in the name of your allah.
And their blood is on your head and the head of your children and children's children if you fail to condemn the actions of your fellow koran carrying hooligans.

I don't have to call you names, you already know your names! Atleast I thank God you said they are hooligans, what separates a hooligan from a literate? Answer: Ignorance and Education! No, now you are interacting with an educated Muslim, so save the hooligan sentiments for the hooligans themselves, and pose more challenging questions to me. Wait a minute, I thought you people said the new testament has come to contest the law of the sins of the Father upon the son? Yet you even go as far as wishing their sins upon their grandchildren, and even upon me that is not even related to them( You don kill me oo!)
Lastly,

babyosisi:

Judgement day is coming .Repent now before it's too late.

Thanks for the advice, but you should consider it more, because your position on that judgment day is more questionable than mine!

Olaajia,you should be able to answer the question yourself.
what is the relationship between islam and terrorism?To rephrase it why does a religion that claims to be peaceful end up producing murderous hooligans.
From the length of time you spend on these sites and the length of your postings,you must not have much of a vocation my dear jihadist.

Hooray,an educated muslim!!!Where have you been?you must be yoruba,thank God,that's how you got some education from the Christian influence you got, otherwise you may have ended up going to milk cows,sitting around a mallam learning arabic and sharpening your machete.

OlaAjia:

Thanks for that site. It was really helpful. I never even knew that something like that existed. I was surprised to note that even the Biblical laws concerning cutting of hands and putting sinners to death are harsher than the Quranic ones. .

When you mix up Judaism and Christianity it only exposes your ignorance all the more. I deliberately referred you to that site and there are loads more that are available if you need them. But the point is, while you will not find Christians cutting anybody's hands, mutilating anyone's body parts, or flogging our wives by 'revelation', you will find all these things and more in the so-called religion of peace as commandments.

OlaAjia:

Unfortunately 4get_me, since it is clear to me that the Bible has suffered alterations, and there appears to be controversy on what and what-not to believe, I only settle for the verses of the bible that conform with the teachings of the Quran that I claim is still as intact as it was at the time of revelation, in order to be on the safe side.

I'm not surprised at all - that's what many Mulsims have been taught to do: judge every other religion by the Qur'an; and yet your Muslim apologists are desperately trying to search the Bible and the Hindu scriptures in order to find Muhammad "prophesied" in them. Second, if you're sincere about the authenticity of the Qur'an, you'd not be struggling to acknowledge that earlier copies were ordered to be burnt by Caliph Uthman, and the copies he had were a redaction of what he could find. Even so, some of Muhammad's followers were often in disagreement as to the recitations of particular verses of the Qur'an - and the Quraish prophet could only compromise between them so that there wouldn't be frequent fall-outs.

OlaAjia:

As laughable as my claim may be, it is true! I consider Allah to be absolutely Perfect, and as a result, will not expect a perfect being to make those mistakes realized in the bible. The Bible that was referred to in the Quran is the book that was sent down to Jesus, from God, which has lost its Original meanings, thanks to its translators, whose sole aim was to merge the doctrine of Jesus with those of the pagans, so that more people will accept it, but in the process, loose the essence of the Message of Jesus.

You're even more hilarious here. Talk of a 'Perfect Being' purporting to have revealed a 'book' to Jesus, and yet you acknowledge that 'he' let it pass into the hands of 'translators' to distort the Message of Jesus. Biko kwa, could you tell me what the original Message of Jesus was?

There are a few slips in your suppositions actually. If the 'Allah' that sent the Qur'an was the very same that sent down, confirmed and revealed the Gospel to Jesus (Sura 003:003), why was 'he' not able to save it from the translators in just the same way as you claim for the Qur'an? Surely, that same 'Allah' should have been able to 'guard' all 'his' books, and not to have suffered even the original copies of the Qur'an to be burnt by order of Caliph Uthman. Two questions that beg for answers: (a) what was wrong with the existing codex of the Qur'an that Uthman ordered to be burnt? (b) why did Uthman order those codex of the Qur'an to be burnt?

If there was nothing wrong with the other manuscripts and they all were the same revelation from 'Allah', a mere mortal surely would have had no power to politically edit 'his' word (as Muslims are wont to believe) - yes? That it is a veritable historical fact that Caliph Uthman indeed ordered the destruction of those other manuscripts speaks volumes in itself - and what you have today is Uthman's words, not Allah's.

OlaAjia:

As I do not want to make this post unnecessarily long and boring for readers, I will only refer you to the sites that prove that the chapters 'Mark' and 'John' were written years after the death of Christ. Check http://www.mustardseed.net/html/pemark.html and http://wywy.essortment.com/johngospelbibl_ryib.htm. Many chapters in the new Testament pose a lot of questions as to their authenticity, because not only do they contradict some chapters in the Old testament, they also contradict those in the same new testament. These contradictions are enough to prove alterations through inconsistency.

Let me help you think carefully through your statements, long post or not. First, I patiently went through the websites you offered. Unfortunately, there was nothing in either article to discredit Mark, John or the other synoptic Gospel accounts (Matthew and Luke). Second, there were no Gospel accounts written during Jesus' earthly life and ministry - so the later "additions" of 'Mark' and 'John' as you inferred earlier do not help your argument. That being the case, the Qur'an was claiming a comical farce about 'Allah' having "sent down" and "confirmed" the Gospel to Jesus (Sura 003:003) - a claim which is preposterous at best, because no written account of Jesus existed during His life on earth!

Having so confirmed yourself that <'Mark' and 'John' were written years after the death of Christ>, what "Gospel" then was the 'Allah' of the Qur'an referring to in claiming 'Allah' "sent down" and "confirmed" - the ones written before, during or after Jesus' life and ministry, or the ones written by Muhammad himself and interpolated in the Suras? If you believe in your statement that they were written years after the death of Christ, then the claim of the 'Allah' of the Qur'an was bogus; if on the other hand, they were written during Christ's life on earth, then your claim is equally bogus. To solve your present dilemma, may I ask again: did the Gospel accounts not have Mark 1:1, John 1:1 and 10:36 in them when they were written?

OlaAjia:

You say that if the Bible really underwent consequent corruption, then Allah should have known better than to have revealed it. Truly, there is no doubt that Allah knew what was going to happen, but come to think of it this way. If you run a boarding school, should you because of those students that waste food, deny the few that don't waste it their meal? Better put this way: Allah also knew that it will guide a few people aright, and it did!

Already addressed just above, except that you seem to be a bit comical in your last lines - are you inferring then that the Bible no longer guides people aright? The answer might both interest and surprise you.

OlaAjia:

For your Information, unlike the Bible you read, the Quran came directly to prophet Muhammed(p.b.u.h), from Allah, through Angel Gabriel. As the Prophet recited it, it was written down on rocks, and back of trees, among other materials by his companions. It was compiled and reviewed before the death of the Prophet with angel Gabriel. Caliph Uthman only authorized its reproduction, so that there would be enough to be distributed to the places where Islam was spread, but I can assure you that it is still in its original text, and there is nothing to hide.

Blah, blah, blah - you're repeating what you've learnt by rote, and you typically left out the part that Caliph Uthman ordered the then extant copies of 'Allah's' word to be burnt. - - -Why did you hide that part?

OlaAjia:

It is now your turn to show me "what I missed in my skeptic quotes of the old testament".
Please note that any mistake I make is my mistake, and any truth I say is what Islam has thought me. So please do not find reasons to attribute my mistakes to the teachings of Islam. Thanks for your co-operation. I have also tried to be as concise as possible, so you can highlight any of your questions that I have omitted, as my omissions are not intended.

No problem. When you've dealt with the issues of the Gospel accounts raised in my concerns, then I'll betake myself to your oversight of the skeptic OT quotes. I do not make the mistake of attributing a Muslim's misconceptions to the teachings of Islam, be rest assured. Just scroll up and review the concerns raised in my earlier posts, particularly about the Gospels having always declared Jesus Christ to be the Son of God ab initio.

Salam.

olaajia,enjoy and get your answers with references from your "holy" books.


Jihad was so important to the founder of Islam, Muhammad, that he declared it to be the second most important deed in Islam.

"Allah's apostle was asked, 'What is the best deed?' He replied, 'To believe in Allah and his Apostle.' The questioner then asked, 'What is the next (in goodness)?' He replied, 'To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's cause.'" – The Hadith, Al Bukhari, Vol. 1 no 25.

Muslims, in fact, divide the world into two sectors: Dar-al-Islam  (the House of Islam) and Dar-al-Harb (The House of War). The only countries considered to be at peace are those where Islamic law (the Sharia) is enforced.

Islam in Arabic means submission, surrender or subjugation. A Muslim  is one who submits. The Arabic word for peace is Salam. Islam  is the active form of Salam. Muslims see themselves as a "peace making force" using argument, intrigue, commerce, threats, terrorism, warfare and every other means possible to secure Islam as the only religion worldwide.
Muslims are not permitted to make peace with a non-Muslim country until its inhabitants surrender to Islam. They can agree to a cease fire for a period of time – but never to peace with non Muslims.

The Quran teaches that Muslims are superior to others: "Ye  (Muslims) are the best of peoples evolved for mankind . . ." Surah 3:110.

Muslims are forbidden to befriend Jews or Christians: "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is one of them . . ." Surah 5:54.

Islam instructs its adherents to fight until their opponents submit. Christians and Jews may be spared if they pay "Jizya" –  a penalty tax – with willing submission: "Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day . . . Nor acknowledge the religion of truth, (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay Jizya (tribute taxes) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued"  Surah 9:29.

"Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait (ambush) for them in every strategem (of war) . . ." Surah 9:5 (also 2:193).

For those who resist Islam – execution or mutilation is decreed: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution or crucifixion, or the cutting off of the hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land . . ."  Surah 5:36.

The Hadith, which is a record of the words and deeds of Muhammad, is also viewed by Muslims as inspired. Next to the Quran, it is the most important source of Islamic Law. It's teachings are regarded as binding on all Muslims.

The Hadith teaches that apostasy is punishable by death: "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him." Vol. 9:57.

A Muslim may not be punished for killing a non-Muslim: "No Muslim should be killed for killing a kafir (infidel)." Vol 9:50

Those who die in holy war are guaranteed to go to Heaven. "The person who participates in Jihad (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to paradise (if he is killed)." Vol 1:35

It may be hard for Christians to understand the concept of such a militant religion, but the primary aim  of Islam is not spiritual but political. The ultimate purpose of Islam is the establishment by force of a worldwide Islamic state where Sharia law is enforced on all.

To achieve this is the goal of Jihad. Islamic scholars identify a multitude of forms that Jihad can take:

1. There is the Jihad of Words. Muhammad was a brilliant and gifted orator silencing his enemies in a war of words. In Arab culture it was customary for feuding tribes to select a poet to mock and provoke  the opposing forces with spontaneous verses of cursing. These linguistic warriors engaged in verbal combat seeking to inspire their own side with a sense of superiority and strength whilst undermining the morale of the enemy. This war of words, which Muslim leaders today such as Gaddaffi, Saddam Hussein and Yassar Arafat still engage in, is actually a war of nerves.
2. There is the Jihad of Deception. When Muslims are small in number they can follow the example of Muhammad's 83 followers who fled from persecution in Mecca to Abyssinia (present day Ethiopia). There the Christian Negus (king) offered them refuge. When the Meccans demanded their return as slaves, the Muslim exiles declared that Islam was merely a variation of Christianity. The Muslims selectively recited those passages of the Quran that agree with the Bible such as the virgin birth and miracles of Jesus and His ascension to Heaven and ultimate return. They remained silent on the unbridgeable differences (such as the denial of the Trinity and the atonement) between the Quran and the Bible. As a result the Christian Abyssinians protected the Muslims from the Meccans.

In this way, when it was most vulnerable, Islam grew and developed in a Christian environment. (If we only demonstrate our Christian love without proclaiming the truth of the Gospel we could strengthen anti-Christian forces).

Muhammad  compromised with the Meccan merchants during a particularly intense time of persecution. Formerly he had fearlessly condemned polytheism. Then, under pressure, he accepted the Meccan belief that Allah had a wife, Al-lat, and two daughters, Al Uzzo and Manat (Surah 53:20-23). Later Muhammad repudiated these so called Satanic Verses  and claimed that all previous prophets had been tempted by demonic influence.

3. There is the Jihad of the Sword. After fleeing to Medina (the Hijra) in AD622, Muhammad started to summon his followers to attack and plunder the caravans of Mecca. His followers initially resisted these calls until Muhammad presented a series of "revelations" commanding Jihad (holy war) and permitting looting ("Whoever has killed an enemy and has proof of that, will possess his spoils" – The Hadith, Vol. 4 no. 370). Where the booty was not large enough, Muhammad held captives as hostages until their families paid a high ransom for their release. Hostage taking has continued to be a common practise in Islam to this day.  Those who participate in Jihad are granted a blanket absolution (Surah 8:17) and guaranteed to go straight to Paradise (Heaven) if killed.

4. There is the Jihad of Taxation and Financial Reward. Those who refuse to submit to Islam are forced to pay a special tax for non- Muslims (Jizya). Those who convert to Islam are often offered financial rewards or  scholarships.

5. There is the Jihad of Slavery. Those Muslims who engage in Jihad not only can seize property, extort ransoms and demand taxes, but also capture slaves. The only places in the world today where slavery is still practised are in some Muslim countries. In Sudan, the Islamic government uses slavery as an incentive to encourage Arab Northerners to attack the Christian Blacks in the South, and as a weapon of terror to destabilize non-Muslims. According to the Sharia Law,  Muslims are allowed to enslave, own and sell human beings.

6. There is the Jihad of the Sharia Law. Non-Muslims are degraded to a lower class status and are denied equal access to the law because their testimony is not valid against a Muslim. This even applies to murder ("No Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel". The death penalty is applied to anyone who renounces Islam and converts to another religion.

When the wealthy Bedouins of Arabia professed faith in Allah to escape attack, Muhammad did not accept their confession. ("The desert Arabs say 'We believe'. Say, 'Ye have no faith; but ye (only) say 'We have submitted.'" Surah 49:14) Islam does not place much value on personal faith, but demands surrender to the political rule of the Sharia.

It is significant that the calendar of Islam does not begin with the birth of Muhammad, nor the onset of his supposed "revelation", nor the assembling of the first Muslim community, nor the flight of Muslim refugees to Abyssinia. The 12 years of persecution in Mecca were not considered the start of their new religion. The Muslim calendar only begins when Islam became a political state in Medina.

7. There is the Jihad of Polygamy. The devastating defeat of the Muslim forces by the Meccans in the battle of Uhud (AD625) led to what could be considered one of Islam's greatest victories. So many of his men were killed that Muhammad permitted his men to take up to 4 wives (Surah 4:3, 4). With the advent of Western medicine, infant mortality has plummeted. And the Muslim birthrate has skyrocketed. Muslims are increasing in number twice as fast as other religions. This is due to birth control and abortion in Western lands and polygamy in Muslim lands. Muslims are not increasing much by missionary outreaches, but by having many children. Polygamy (rather than persuasion) has become one of Islam's most effective weapons for Holy War, providing Islam with a disproportionate numerical advantage.

8. There is the Jihad of the Spirits. According to the Quran, Muslims are not only men and women but also spirits who fight for the spread of Islam (Surah 46:29-33 and 72:1-15). Also a Muslim is to fight on Muhammad's behalf both in his life and after his death (Hadith Vol. 1 chapter 43).

Clearly Islam is a religion of force which denies basic freedom. No Muslim even has the freedom to change or leave his religion. The huge block of over 1 billion Muslims presents the greatest political and military threat to the Western world and the greatest missionary challenge [editor's note: I do not agree with this, the Great LovePeddler is the greatest enemy of the gospel of Christ] to the Christian Church. Muslim states are the most severe persecutors of Christians, and Muslim terrorist groups are the most vicious hijackers, kidnappers, bombers and assassins. As the recent East African bombings remind us, Islam is a challenge that we cannot ignore.
How we chose to respond, in prayer, publications, proclamation, projects and persistent vigilance will determine much of the course of history in the coming 21st century.

@olaajia my learned friend,enjoy.



Islam and women.

Muhammad wrote in the Sura 4:3 that it is unlawful to have more than four wives, but he had more than four. Muslim scholar Ali Dashti lists 22 women in Muhammad's life, including 16 wives. He also stole his adopted son's wife Zaynab and made her his own. One wife, Aesha, was only eight or nine years old when he took her to bed.

Female Muslims must be covered head to foot like Muhammad's women who needed it in the desert sun and sand.

Women are treated bad in Islam. Let's look at the Quran, Sura 4:34:

Men are the managers of the affairs of women, Those you fear may be rebellious--admonish; banish them to their couches and beat them.
Muslim women can be kept prisioners in their own homes and denied the right to go outside the house if the husband orders. They can't even vote in some countries. In Iran they must carry written permission from their husbands to go outside the house. In Saudi Arabia, they are prohibited from driving a car. When some women in Saudia Arabia drove cars in the fall of 1990, they were castigated from every direction and admonished not to talk to Western reporters. One woman said, "The issue is not driving. It is that here in Saudi Arabia, I exist as a person from the bellybutton to the knees."


The Quran has NO earthly sources.

According to the Islam religion, the teachings of Muhammad and the Quran came STRAIGHT FROM HEAVEN and cannot have any earthly source. Yet Western scholarship easily shows that ALL of Islam is based on the customs and fables of pre-Islamic Arabia and misinterpretation of the Bible by Muhammad.

Even the word, "Islam" wasn't new with Muhammad. It originally meant,

defiance of death, heroism, to die in battle
Today, it is supposed to mean

submission
Now given all the terrorism from the Middle East and fighting between the Shiite and Sunnis which definition better fits Islam? "to die in battle" or "submission"? The Quran commands Muslims to convert everyone to Islam or else kill them. "Islam" existed before Muhammad came on the scene so there is an earthly source.

Also, the Quran is not written in a heavenly language, it is written the Quraish dialect (Hadith vol. 6, no. 507) which was Muhammad's tribe. On top of that it is easily translated. It didn't fall out of heaven as they claim. Neither is it non-translatable as Muslims are taught that it is.

Let's move on. Even the word "Allah" was not invented by Muhammad. It was already well known. Allah is a purely Arabic word al = the and ilah = god. It is not taken from the Hebrew or Greek word for God. It is not even the Arabic word for God. It is the name of a peculiar deity--Allah, the moon god. See the section on Allah. The Encyclopedia of Islam says:

The Arabs, BEFORE the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called allah. (ed. Houtsma)
Allah was known to the PRE-Islamic Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities. (ed. Gibb)

Ilah, appears in PRE-Islamic poetry, By frequency of usage, al-ilah was contracted to allah, frequently attested to in pre-Islamic poetry. (ed. Lewis)

Big difference between MO and Christ.



Muhammad was a sinner.

The Hadith makes clear that Muhammad was a sinner--NOT sinless as some Muslims now claim:

"Muhammad replied, "O Allah, set me apart from my sins, "
vol. 1, no. 711

Lol, babyosisi. . . you really mean business today with these "learned" chaps. It seems so easy for them to point accusing fingers at others, especially Christians, without having taken a very unbiased look at the pedophile they are hanging their faith on. More and more women (even Muslim women) are speaking up and asking certain questions about the place of women in the religion that beats and maltreats women, and yet calls itself 'the religion of peace'. And about time they did.

olaajia,this is my final posting to you.
Note that all the last three had references from your "holy"books
From Mohammeds own mouth to your ears.
A word should be enough for the wise.



Muhammad was not sure if he was going to heaven himself:

The Prophet said, "By Allah, though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me."
Hadith vol. 5, no. 266

4get_me,this olaajia guy perhaps has been living in a hole devoid of terrorism and had never taken the time to study his "peaceful religion".

If I had a pedophile as a leader,who jumped from bed to bed ,openly declare that he was not sure where he was going,I would be foolish to continue to fight his cause

you guys are mean, take it easy on the muslim chaps,

dats why i love christains, down to the detail, kudos babyosisi, and 4get me, and

kudos to ajia23, my favourite moslem,

Well lordimpaq

I can say kudos to you too, for seeing the meanness of your brethren and acknowledging it.

If ajia23 is willing to talk to people and reason with them, then he will be served in same manner. But if he goes round with a "put-down" agenda on matters he does not understand, then he'll find replies to be as "mean" as can be - not because we choose to be 'mean'; rather, to bring him round to understanding that Christians are not what he thought they were.

now that is even meaner

seun, i need your help ohhhhh. how do i unsubscribe from this group? i need to stop receiving messages from here. i've tried my best! plzzzzzzzz

;Dlmao this topic is soo funny its like askin if you pull the tail of a snake will it attack
i dont know about the muslims and christians where you livin but where i am we wlive in harmany

It's quite commendable for people to live in harmony. But when we look out to what's happening in everyday life in the mindset of Muslims in the East, and the vehement statements they make against ordinary Christians, one could only hope that we'll all set politics aside and examine what is religiously at stake.

@Babyosisi,

Plaigarism is a disease! I am disappointed in you. I thought you were better than copying and pasting from a site. Atleast you should have done a thorough research before you copied and pasted from http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/islam.htm. I expected Gwaine that has read the Quran atleast 3 times to have corrected you on these. The results of your ill-actions are as follows:

1. For those who resist Islam – execution or mutilation is decreed: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution or crucifixion, or the cutting off of the hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land . . ."  Surah 5:36. . This quoted verse does not exist anywhere in the Quran, and you even took bold to quote a false location.
2. Muslims are forbidden to befriend Jews or Christians: "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is one of them . . ." Surah 5:54 This verse is not on 5:54, it is on surah 5:51. I see no wonder why Muslims are asked not to take Jews and christians as their protectors or friends. Its because they are liars, who deceive their unsuspecting followers, because they know that their followers are ignorants and will not take the pains to research on whatever infornation they are given.

The Quran teaches that Muslims are superior to others: "Ye  (Muslims) are the best of peoples evolved for mankind . . ." Surah 3:110. What is wrong with this? Does the Bible teaches you that others are superior to christians? If it does, then why will christians go to heaven, and others hell?

There is the Jihad of Words. Muhammad was a brilliant and gifted orator silencing his enemies in a war of words. In Arab culture it was customary for feuding tribes to select a poet to mock and provoke  the opposing forces with spontaneous verses of cursing. These linguistic warriors engaged in verbal combat seeking to inspire their own side with a sense of superiority and strength whilst undermining the morale of the enemy. This war of words, which Muslim leaders today such as Gaddaffi, Saddam Hussein and Yassar Arafat still engage in, is actually a war of nerves. Atleast you know Muhammed was a brilliant and Gifted Orator. But did you know that Muhammed was not lettered? So where did his Brilliance come from? He did not get it from the air, so it is believed it came from God, because an illiterate cannot just wake up one day to start a debate with a learned person and win it.

Islam instructs its adherents to fight until their opponents submit. Christians and Jews may be spared if they pay "Jizya" –  a penalty tax – with willing submission: "Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day . . . Nor acknowledge the religion of truth, (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay Jizya (tribute taxes) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued"  Surah 9:29. Yes, the people of the book that reside in Islamic states are expected to pay Jizyah The Zakat that muslims are obliged to give, at certain times to the poor has already compensated for their own Jizyah. So you tell me, why should you live free when you don't pay Zakat? And when you pay Taxes just for passing certain roads or entering certain cities you will not complain.

"Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait (ambush) for them in every strategem (of war) . . ." Surah 9:5 (also 2:193). Didn't your Bible order the same too? Be it Old testament or not. Why didn't you call that God a violent God?

babyosisi:

olaajia,this is my final posting to you.
Note that all the last three had references from your "holy"books
From Mohammeds own mouth to your ears.
A word should be enough for the wise.



Muhammad was not sure if he was going to heaven himself:

The Prophet said, "By Allah, though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me."
Hadith vol. 5, no. 266

I don't get @babyosisi! What have you proven here? This only makes it clear to the followers of Muhammed that he was mere human, and should not be mistaken for God as you people have mistaken Jesus for God. We do not worship Muhammed, we worship Allah!

babyosisi:

Big difference between MO and Christ.



Muhammad was a sinner.

The Hadith makes clear that Muhammad was a sinner--NOT sinless as some Muslims now claim:

"Muhammad replied, "O Allah, set me apart from my sins, "
vol. 1, no. 711

Yet another OoP. So what if he prayed to Allah not to make him sin? Reminder: Muhammed was a humanbeing like us all, Allah only preferred him as a prophet because he was truthful. You will even see that before he answered the call of prophethood, he was fondly called Al-Amin(The Trust worthy) Because he never stole, and he always returned peoples belongings to them the way he was given to keep, but that does not make him any better that a human. So he prayed to God just as every human should, and thought his followers how to pray too.

Let's move on. Even the word "Allah" was not invented by Muhammad. It was already well known. Allah is a purely Arabic word al = the and ilah = god. It is not taken from the Hebrew or Greek word for God. It is not even the Arabic word for God. It is the name of a peculiar deity--Allah, the moon god. See the section on Allah. The Encyclopedia of Islam says: What's the point in this? Ofcourse it was not Prophet Muhammed that Invented Allah. Its an Arabic word, and Arabic existed before Muhammed. Yes Allah was derived from Al-Illah, which means God. Even pagans call whatever they worship god is that a new thing? That why the Quran says there is only one Illah, thesame way you claim there is only one God. Thats because there are many Gods known to man. Besides, in Arabic Bibles too, the word God is translated as Allah, so you are obviously out of point. I thought you were smarter than this.

Infact babyosisi, I am not telling you not to use websites for your researches, but if you will do so, clarify what you see, then refine them in your words, so that you will not start pasting lies because of your ignorance. If I decide to start replying your every statement, I might not sleep tonight. Make your posts clear but concise and I will be happy to reply you one at a time! I've said this over and over again, but you just seem to be forcing me to repeat myself: All your posts are OoP(Out of Point) and pathetic.

@4get_me

4get_me:

When you mix up Judaism and Christianity it only exposes your ignorance all the more. I deliberately referred you to that site and there are loads more that are available if you need them. But the point is, while you will not find Christians cutting anybody's hands, mutilating anyone's body parts, or flogging our wives by 'revelation', you will find all these things and more in the so-called religion of peace as commandments.

I'm not surprised at all - that's what many Mulsims have been taught to do: judge every other religion by the Qur'an; and yet your Muslim apologists are desperately trying to search the Bible and the Hindu scriptures in order to find Muhammad "prophesied" in them. Second, if you're sincere about the authenticity of the Qur'an, you'd not be struggling to acknowledge that earlier copies were ordered to be burnt by Caliph Uthman, and the copies he had were a redaction of what he could find. Even so, some of Muhammad's followers were often in disagreement as to the recitations of particular verses of the Qur'an - and the Quraish prophet could only compromise between them so that there wouldn't be frequent fall-outs.

You're even more hilarious here. Talk of a 'Perfect Being' purporting to have revealed a 'book' to Jesus, and yet you acknowledge that 'he' let it pass into the hands of 'translators' to distort the Message of Jesus. Biko kwa, could you tell me what the original Message of Jesus was?

There are a few slips in your suppositions actually. If the 'Allah' that sent the Qur'an was the very same that sent down, confirmed and revealed the Gospel to Jesus (Sura 003:003), why was 'he' not able to save it from the translators in just the same way as you claim for the Qur'an? Surely, that same 'Allah' should have been able to 'guard' all 'his' books, and not to have suffered even the original copies of the Qur'an to be burnt by order of Caliph Uthman. Two questions that beg for answers: (a) what was wrong with the existing codex of the Qur'an that Uthman ordered to be burnt? (b) why did Uthman order those codex of the Qur'an to be burnt?

If there was nothing wrong with the other manuscripts and they all were the same revelation from 'Allah', a mere mortal surely would have had no power to politically edit 'his' word (as Muslims are wont to believe) - yes? That it is a veritable historical fact that Caliph Uthman indeed ordered the destruction of those other manuscripts speaks volumes in itself - and what you have today is Uthman's words, not Allah's.

Let me help you think carefully through your statements, long post or not. First, I patiently went through the websites you offered. Unfortunately, there was nothing in either article to discredit Mark, John or the other synoptic Gospel accounts (Matthew and Luke). Second, there were no Gospel accounts written during Jesus' earthly life and ministry - so the later "additions" of 'Mark' and 'John' as you inferred earlier do not help your argument. That being the case, the Qur'an was claiming a comical farce about 'Allah' having "sent down" and "confirmed" the Gospel to Jesus (Sura 003:003) - a claim which is preposterous at best, because no written account of Jesus existed during His life on earth!

Having so confirmed yourself that <'Mark' and 'John' were written years after the death of Christ>, what "Gospel" then was the 'Allah' of the Qur'an referring to in claiming 'Allah' "sent down" and "confirmed" - the ones written before, during or after Jesus' life and ministry, or the ones written by Muhammad himself and interpolated in the Suras? If you believe in your statement that they were written years after the death of Christ, then the claim of the 'Allah' of the Qur'an was bogus; if on the other hand, they were written during Christ's life on earth, then your claim is equally bogus. To solve your present dilemma, may I ask again: did the Gospel accounts not have Mark 1:1, John 1:1 and 10:36 in them when they were written?

Already addressed just above, except that you seem to be a bit comical in your last lines - are you inferring then that the Bible no longer guides people aright? The answer might both interest and surprise you.

Blah, blah, blah - you're repeating what you've learnt by rote, and you typically left out the part that Caliph Uthman ordered the then extant copies of 'Allah's' word to be burnt. - - -Why did you hide that part?

No problem. When you've dealt with the issues of the Gospel accounts raised in my concerns, then I'll betake myself to your oversight of the skeptic OT quotes. I do not make the mistake of attributing a Muslim's misconceptions to the teachings of Islam, be rest assured. Just scroll up and review the concerns raised in my earlier posts, particularly about the Gospels having always declared Jesus Christ to be the Son of God ab initio.

Salam.

Ignorance is a desease. Who's mixing Judaism and christianity? Is it not how it appears in the bible I have quoted it? So what are you saying?

olaajia I honestly thought you were smart enough to be quiet and hence be treated as a common boil in the behind but since you've decided to persist like a scrotal rash,it's again time for your camphor treatment.

Thanks for posting the site on there for even your bros to read for themselves,I never claimed they were mine.
How come you carefully avoided the aisha and the numerous women issue?That makes him man right?,wrong that makes him a PEDOPHILIC WOMANIZER WITH AN INSATIABLE SEXUAL URGE aka PERVERT and a MURDERER of innocent people.

I see nothing,absolutely nothing in your so called analysis that superceeds the evidence staring you and your likes in the face.If the verses were written wrong at least you were civil enough to admit that.

For your information,Christ never ordered anyone killed,and never taught that Christians were superior to others the scriptures enjoins Christians not to consider themselves more highly placed than others,you may be reading a koranic bible.
I know a muslim that got converted to Christianity by just reading the words of the koran and I know it will happen to several on this site as their eyes are opened to a political deception disguised as religion.

How convenient of you to now see Mohammed as a mere man,the question is how good of a man was he?Of what good is someone who doesn't steal but couldn't keep his eyes and hands off women and children.

You do not worship MO and yet would have your panties all up in a bunch when you feel he's been dissed.
I see you are very good in arguements and have a ready answer to any vices which are so glaring in your "peaceful religion".

Olaajia,from your replies on this site I take it that we agree on the following issues.

1. Mohammed was a mere man,his ways with women and children should be swept under the rug,shhhhh!,let's pretend it never happened but he was the epitome of human morality and a prophet of God.

2. The terrorist actions of Muslims should not make anyone judge muslims in general,it is the 'bad' muslims that do such things even though Muslim leaders and groups condone it as teaching the infidels a lesson.

3.There is a chance Mohammed could be in Islamic hell since he was not sure what allah would do to him after all his clandestine acts.

4.

This website is cool,I encourage every muslim to please pay olaajia no mind and click on it and I believe your eyes would be opened in Jesus name.

Dare to find out the truth and resist those like olaajia that have no desire to know the truth and would fight tooth and nail with verbosity to prevent others from it.The multitude of words is not where it's at.

Come join the tens of thousands of Muslims that have been opening their hearts to the gospel thanks to satellite TV and the internet.


http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sinaprologue.htm

A tesimony worth reading.



To: Ali Sina
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:47 am
Subject: Better late then never- An apostate speaks out



Dear Dr. Ali Sina,

Sorry to send you a long pm despite knowing your scarcities of valued time. I thought many times about it, to write a testimony to thank you and let you know about me. Though I joined FFI in december 2005, I am sharing it now in july 2006, well, better late then never.

I can’t remember exactly when the seed of doubt implanted in my mind about the religion I born into. It could be then when I used to attend the Friday prayers in the mosque and my hands were raised too with the believers to praise Allah and his Rasul (Prophet) to bring devastation to Israel day after day, Friday after Friday with no result.

Or, it could be then, when I learnt, a Mumeen (faithful) is entitled to have 72 vigins in after life, but a Mumeena need to be satisfied with just sharing her old earthly husband with other 72 competitors? Or then, when I confronted the Quranic verse to beat one's wife (lightly!). (i.e. I did know the sahih hadith that suggests a Salat become void if an ass, a dog and or a woman pass across in front and Aisha prompted teasing in sadness (?) and wondered "you guys made us women equivalent to dogs"

No, I don't think it did happen then. I still was attending prayers more seriously so that Allah could guide me from evil thoughts prompted in my mind provoked by Satan.

My father is a very strict and devoted Muslim. He went to Mecca to perform the hajj. When I was a college student, we used to perform magreeb, eesha and Fazr salat with jamat at home. My father used to be the imam and we two brothers were his followers.

As it was as usual in my neighborhood, to arrange “Islamic Jalsa” (Waz Mahfill- like a seminar where Moulana’s delivers there uncensored (hate) speeches using many loud speakers) for three days, 5 days or even 7 days during winter. Sometimes I used to participate voluntarily in the youth team to serve hujurs (Muslim priest) and to look after other small things so that the Mahfil can go on uninterruptedly and peacefully (?). I can remember, once in a similar Mahfil, a Molana was speaking about Jews and enlightening audience regarding the filthy natures of Jews and how despicable they are to Allah among all Allah’s creatures, how they used to fabricate god’s orders, how they used to kill their prophets and how they became apes.

Before going to the bed I asked my father about it. He attested it as a matter of fact according to the holy Quran and Hadith and I should not have any doubt in my mind about Quran. I went to bed with no doubt (?) in my mind.

Next day, another Moulana was delivering his speech and it was about women. He was telling that according to Rasul, women have half intelligence to a man. I was pondering, how come, my mother is half intelligent than to my father where as proofs are showing opposite pictures sometimes!

I talked to my father again about it and as usually he validates it according to the Hadith. This time the pill was much bitter for me to swallow. I argued giving references of great women like mother Teresa, Madam Marie Curie etc. I asked him if he thinks either of him or that Molana is doubled intelligent then Madam Marie Curie. He became speechless, his face turned into red and he was about to burst on me. After taking a long breath, he asked my mother to take care of me as he can see I am going astray day-by-day. Yes, he was very right!

After that incident, whenever I looked upon my mother, my mind was telling me, no, this can’t be true. It is discrimination to my mother, to my sister and to all women.

I felt an urge to examine the thing by myself. I decided to read Quran, Hadith and Islamic history in Bangla for my own sake and wait, there were lots of surprises waiting for me.

It was a striking situation for me after reading the Quran. Rather getting answers of my questions, many new questions popped up into mind of which I had to have satisfactory answers from any reliable source. In plain, I needed to have good explanations from the local authority. I started to keep notes of the Quranic verses while reading, which was, in my view, subjected for explanations. It was the month of Ramadan and I did it for the entire month, reading and keeping notes.

In the day of Eid-ul-Fitre, local Moulanas came to our home as invited by my father. I got the opportunity to place my notes to them after Quran are very much time bounded? I could see, it is dealing, instructing about day-to-day affairs of the prophet and his vicinities, prescribing persecutions of peoples of his own time, Allah is peering, invoking in prophets household affairs, telling tales which others have told long before Muhammed. Quran mentions about several nations of past but not for a single time there is any mention about other ancient peoples in China or India or any other i.e America which was unknown to the Arabs of prophet’s time. Didn’t Allah know America, China, India or Australia? How come he forgot or just did not care about more than half of the any time population of his earth? How it is legitimized for Allah to send peoples of 7th century India and China or Papua new Guyana into hell for being charged of idolatry where as they were unaware of what laws Allah was delivering in Arabia through his Rasul. In this case, what will happen to them after life? Are they going to paradise or hell? Why?

How can this very book of ultimate knowledge contains absurdities, like existence of Jinn, talking ants, shooting missile towards wild jinn, moon is an instrument to keep record of times, mountains are pegs to keep balance of the earth etc? If, after uttering Talaq(Divorce) three times by the husband, if the couple decide to be re united, why the woman has to be married with a third person and this third person must consummate her? Is not it insult to the woman and a punishment that she does not deserve? What kind of judgment is it?

I was a hopeless case to understand the eternity of the words of Allah and acts of his Rasul due to my satanic mind according to the head Moulana. Eventually, The head Moulana, his companions and my uncles came to the conclusion that it is the effect of my non Islamic education system of my university which must be discarded at once, in addition I am entitled to receive seven lashes in order for doubting on Allah and his Rasul and a Tawba is Farz (Mandatory) for me to repent. My venture of compiling disturbing verses from Quran and quest for explanation ends here with seven lashes and repentance. The notebook I presented has been tear down and burnt in front of all.

Next morning, I left my home with pains and unbound disgust.

Later, I tried to understand Islam as Muslims want us to the way. I failed; I could not understand how Allah made Mr. Omer satisfied by attesting his desire imposing Hijab on women through Quran! Oh he is all knowing almighty, off course HE can read Omar’s mind! But wait a minute, is not it the Quran that has been preserved in Loh Mahfuz by allah written in golden tablets before creating the universe?! If so, then how come this commandment did not come down before Omer showed his desire for that?! Behold! It is Allah who decides what to send down and when! Off course Allah knoweth the best!

Interestingly, he knew it too that in some extent of time he would need to attest the chastity of Aisha when many believers including holy prophet would doubt on her. Of course Allah is the wisest! It is just poor me, pathetically struggled and failed to understand the simplest thing that could be easily understood and taken by a kid!

Well, the problem is, I was no more a kid by then. I was able to understand why Allah has to be so active about “Aisha case” ignoring millions of other problems in the earth.

I utterly failed to understand the importance of legitimization for the holy prophet to marry his adopted son's wife and how this deed is useful or be a good guidance to be followed by the Ummah?. What we as a Muslims, or as Non Muslims, could learn or gain from this prophetic example for our advancements?

I never could understand how sura Lahab can be considered as the eternal words of the almighty and all merciful creator of the universe. Rather HE sounds to be a frustrated, hateful, vengeful, powerless and mean minded god who cannot punish his creature by himself but to curse so nasty humanly.

I have learnt that the prophet is the best person among the mankind for the all time and it is my duty to follow his footsteps, imitate him in every aspect of my life. Every Muslim tries it, so did I? But Allah sealed my heart and perhaps I am one of them whom he created to be fuel of his hells. Otherwise how could I be failed again to follow the footsteps of my beloved prophet?

When I will be in my 52 or 53 (if I am alive still then) should I not marry a 6 years old girl, perhaps a daughter of my friend, no matter she reaches her puberty in her 9 or whatsoever? Surely I can’t, because it is a prophetic and holy act, far beyond of me to reach as a filthy cynic!

I can not undertake a genocide either, like he committed to Bani quriza, I cant torture a Kinana just to know where the treasures are hidden, I cant kill any Ka’b or Asma for composing poetry criticizing me, I cant consummate (Rape) a Shafia same day after killing his beloved husband and father, I cant consider innocent children and women as booty. I can’t perform Azl with captive women to prevent her pregnancy so that her price does not fall down in slave market. I cannot take 14 wives, many concubines and slave girls to have sex. I cannot cheat my wife (Hafsa) to have sex with slave girl Mariah the Coptic. I cannot sly infidels wherever I find them. I cannot abstain myself taking friends among infidels. And there are many more things for which I cannot follow his holiness footsteps. I don't believe in the myth that “Islam is the religion of Peace or: Islam is a complete code of life” Because, now I know the history of Islam how it multiplied, I witnessed the Taliban regime (an ideal Islamic regime and real Islam in action) and understood the essence of Islamic “complete code” of life theory, completely unmatched with human rights that I have learnt.

I witnessed the Hadith in action when they dealt with women in Afghanistan, forced to leave jobs, hijabified, stoned, lashed and hanged. Bunch of bearded Neanderthals roaming the rocky milieu carrying AK-47, this picture has become a nightmare to me. Not even in my worst dream, I would want to be amongst them, never. I don't want to be dictated by a 7th century cave man in my daily life- how to eat, how to sit, how to sleep, how to sleep with my wife, how to wash private parts, how to walk, how to select proper stone to use after urinating. All of a sudden, I become just too much unholy to accept all these craps.

I was alone, living with my evil thoughts and having volcanic eruptions inside me. I could not share my thoughts to anyone else freely. I have seen the fate of Taslima Nasreen, and Prof. Ahmed Sharif and I was frightened for me since I could not control myself many times while talking about religion and especially about Taslima, in several occasions with couple of Tabligue students in my university dormitory. I have been marked as anti – Islamic and pro-Israel by them. My room met advised me not to cross the limit. I decided not to put me in any more danger. I changed the dormitory and become quiet but never left my quest.

After 9/11, once just to see what happens, I put the word “anti-Islam” in google and clicked search. It led me to the answering Islam.org. For almost 2 years I have been clinging to that site to read its contents almost every day. That time I felt I am not alone. And there are many evil minds like me who are after the truth. It empowered my mind and attested my questions and thoughts about Islam. I started feeling that in some extent I was correct about Islam. This site helped me a lot. I started to copy paste many articles in my hard disk to read them later. I have taken books available there and from other similar sites.

I have been greatly inspired by speeches and writings of Dr. Humayun Azad, my favorite professor in university. In February 27, 2004, a brutal assassination attempt occurred to chop off him by local jihadiest, after like 1 hour, we left him at the on going “book fair” after discussing about his new book Pak Sar Zamin Sha’ad Ba’ad -1st line of the Pakistani national anthem. After recovery of that attempt he went to Germany and found dead at his suit in Munich, which I believe they murdered him with the help of Munich al-qaida operators.

I can not forget it; he was like a lone brave fighter who has been fighting against the holy(?) forces with his massive pen (since other great fighter Taslima Nasreen has been already deported from the country.)

This incident had to leave a significant impact on me. By then, I was convinced and realized that Islam the “religion of peace” must be taken care of somehow. It must be stopped because there is nothing good in it that can’t be found else where, but it is unique in its evil design, nature and teachings, not available elsewhere. It’s devils cult transforming good humans into ruthless zombies. It is against humanity, against our advancements, destroying our culture & heritage, taking away our identities, making us arab controlled dhimmies. Yes it is, Muhammed is not any messenger from any merciful god, he himself is disguised in him as his allah. So he lied. He is the biggest liar in the history. From now, I not only would denounce Islam, the religion of hate, but, shall take an oath to work against this devilish cult till I am able.

I could not make up my mind how and from where to start. Writing book in Bangla using materials I already collected, was a dangerous idea considering the situation in Bangladesh, so I decided not to do that. Moreover, after that incident, I don't think any publisher would be interested in any book that would definitely be banned here by less than a week. My English is not as good as to write something like book about Islam in English so; my mind would wander in vacuity for few more months until a link would lead me to the great site FFI and great writings of Dr. Ali Sina. I found an objective.

Dear Dr. Ali, I do consider myself as a soldier of kufr in this war against Islam. To contribute substantially, I was thinking about a Bangla version of FFI.

I believe I could contribute here for Bangladeshi and Bangla reading Muslims who would love to read your outstanding articles and stunning debates in their own language and could understand properly for possible apostasy. At the same time I also fear that pro- Islamic Bangladesh govt. can ban the site if exposed too much. I would love to have your thought in this regard.

Thank you so much for showing me the way and also many thanks for your time you spent reading me.

Best regards

Crossedhat

@OlaAjia,

OlaAjia:

Ignorance is a desease. Who's mixing Judaism and christianity? Is it not how it appears in the bible I have quoted it? So what are you saying?

It's true - ignorance is a disease, and a terrible one at that: yours! You see why I marvel at your youthful half-baked education, because you simply are unschooled. In your rigid Islamic orientation, you can't make out the difference between Judaism and Christianity. Go figure, then we can talk.

babyosisi:

How come you carefully avoided the aisha and the numerous women issue?That makes him man right?,wrong that makes him a PEDOPHILIC WOMANIZER WITH AN INSATIABLE SEXUAL URGE aka PERVERT and a MURDERER of innocent people.

That's the style I notice in his infantile arguments - pick some, avoid the more salient issues, pretend the embarrassing events in Islam never happened, run off with yet more Islamic propaganda, and come round sounding ever so empty.

babyosisi:

How convenient of you to now see Muhammad as a mere man,the question is how good of a man was he?Of what good is someone who doesn't steal but couldn't keep his eyes and hands off women and children.

Some of us have been trying to be 'politically correct' with discussions about the Quraish Prophet. However, the fact that so many feel persuaded that their eternal destiny hinges on him, should make us all want to examine his claims, his career, and his morality in view of his pretended calling as a 'holy' prophet.

I can't understand why or how a 'holy' prophet could be ever so full of sin that that he needed to repent over seventy times in a day -

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 75, Number 319:
Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah's Apostle saying." By Allah! I ask for forgiveness from Allah and turn to Him in repentance more than seventy times a day."

I don't understand how a 'holy' prophet could be ever so after women to have had a reputation of pedophilia and womanizing.

I don't understand how a 'holy' prophet still could not know his destiny beyond the grave that he confessed he didn't know what "Allah" would do to him on that day!

I don't understand how or why a 'holy' prophet could treat women with unspeakable contempt as is evident in several of the hadith.

I don't understand why or how those who follow such a self-declared prophet refused to examine his claims and the unholy career and immorality pursued by this man.

It's just about time that people blow off the smoke and courageously take a serious look at the claims of Muhammad.

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/01/are_muslims_lea.php

another great site

The good muslim answer for the muliple wives.

Thank God for nairaland.I have learnt more of Islam in 2 weeks than in all my ? years of life.

Olaajia do you agree with the answers below?,let/s be civil now,I am trying to be a scholar now.

http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/mohamed/1424/misconception/article10.shtml

Babyosis

Please give me a solution to the outnumbering of women by men in this present day. How would you want the women who have no husbands to feel, if every man were to marry only one wife? If you know one of such women, what will be your advice to her?

The story which you posted on this thread babyosisi may be true, but you know one thing I learnt and confirmed about it, it is that muslims sometimes are not patient enough to explain things in the ways that they should. There is nothing that is out of place in the doubts that person had. They were legitimate, but the way his dad and the Mullahs handled it was perhaps what made Islam lose him. Every query he raised, I have thought before, and certainly some have not been aswered as I have not seen a good opportunity to ask, but then, I have not been treated in the same manner as he. May be because of my having western links and having western (caucasian), Nigerian and liberal muslim parents. If you want a response to the issues you raised, ask them one at a time, and we will go through them. But, you have to be really wiling to consider all the material presented to you.

ajia23:

Please give me a solution to the outnumbering of women by men in this present day. How would you want the women who have no husbands to feel, if every man were to marry only one wife? If you know one of such women, what will be your advice to her?

I'm sorry, but are you therefore endorsing polygamy? Or, are you saying that the solution to balancing the ratio between the number of men to women is polygamy? "If every man were to marry only one wife" is highly suggestive of this idea you're posting.

I'm just trying to make sense of your query. If every man were to marry four or more wives encouraged in Islam, how does that help to provide a better solution than monogamy?