all over the country,health institutions are headed by chief medical directors who are doctors, however is it not time for other health personnels such as pharmacists to take up this role?doctors seem to see this as their birthright but i beg to differ, or what do u guys think?

The whole essence of a hospital is the doctor-patient relationship.
Poeple walk into a hospital to see doctors and get their problems addressed.
Other health workers are in support roles to help the doctor achieve his desired result for the patient.
The problem is peoople lose sight of this fact in Nigeria and that's what leads to unneccessary rivalry.
People should be proud to be what they are and stop trying to compete with doctors, its an inferiority complex.

It is not an issue of competition but drawing the boundaries of one's profession.for example,we all know that when it comes to anything relating to drugs,the pharmacist is king same as when it comes to investigation concerning the body physiology,the med lab scientist has the best knowledge.getting a patient back 2 his/her feet requires d input of all and as long as each one of them is largely involved in dis,they have a shot at being the CMD or health minister or wateva post is being vied 4.when it comes 2 specific health institutions,u can't expect a nurse 2 head association of resident doctors or a doctor 2 head the pharmaceutical society of nigeria but wen a bigger umbrella is involved lyk health ministry or hospitals,any1 of them has a right,

As long as it is "Medical Director", the doctor should be the one to call the shots.

efisher:

As long as it is "Medical Director", the doctor should be the one to call the shots.

Spot on!
Medical schools are open and people can always apply if they want to have the role of doctors.
Nigerians just want shortcuts to everything.

OP,
You just answered the question. It is not Chief Pharmaceutical Director, or Chief Nursing Director, or Chief Lab Director.

It is Chief Medical Director. So does your proposal still hold water?

stagger:

OP,
You just answered the question. It is not Chief Pharmaceutical Director, or Chief Nursing Director, or Chief Lab Director.

It is Chief Medical Director. So does your proposal still hold water?

@stagger,don't be educationally myopic, the term "medical" does not refer 2 doctors alone but 2 anybody in d medical or health practice, don't we have PHD graduates??are they not called doctors?what differentiates them frm those in d hospitals??its d term "medical", so ur line of argument is lyk a basket tryna hold water, "Must a health minister be a doctor also"??

Must a jugde be a lawyer? Why can't other paralegal professionals aspire to become a jugde. Why can't the accountant general or auditor general be a medical doctor. How can a pharmacist be a medical director? We are talking about people that don't even attend ward round in a hospital? What do they know about laboratory? To put it correctly, doctors are the only health professionals that do postings in every medical field while in school. From pharmacology to pathology to microbiology to medicine to surgery. There is no aspect of medicine that doctors didn't touch. A doctor can effectively man the laboratory wtot any problem infact doctors can specialise in lab medicine. They can specialise in pharmacology. They know a bit about every aspect of hospital section if not more especially wen they specialise in that field. Worldwide a doctor is the head of any medical team according to WHO. Even if the doctor qualified yesterday and the pharmacist has been qualified for donkey years if they find themselves together as a team in any medical mission the doctor is the head. Even NYSC camp doctors head the clinic. If you want to head medical team go to medical school and stop looking for cheap blackmail on a forum

D word medical encompasses various health dept in d society. I strongly believe that the post of the CMD in an hospital should be the right of any professional health worker because its all about ur experience and not ur area of specialty.

helpee:

Must a jugde be a lawyer? Why can't other paralegal professionals aspire to become a jugde. Why can't the accountant general or auditor general be a medical doctor. How can a pharmacist be a medical director? We are talking about people that don't even attend ward round in a hospital? What do they know about laboratory? To put it correctly, doctors are the only health professionals that do postings in every medical field while in school. From pharmacology to pathology to microbiology to medicine to surgery. There is no aspect of medicine that doctors didn't touch. A doctor can effectively man the laboratory wtot any problem infact doctors can specialise in lab medicine. They can specialise in pharmacology. They know a bit about every aspect of hospital section if not more especially wen they specialise in that field. Worldwide a doctor is the head of any medical team according to WHO. Even if the doctor qualified yesterday and the pharmacist has been qualified for donkey years if they find themselves together as a team in any medical mission the doctor is the head. Even NYSC camp doctors head the clinic. If you want to head medical team go to medical school and stop looking for cheap blackmail on a forum

u are definitely not in d medical field so there is no point trying to explain 5th grade maths 2 a 2nd year grader, who says pharmacist don't specialize in other fields viz-a-viz pharmacology,oncology,cardiology and d likes??am not saying a pharmacist or other health workers "MUST" be CMDs, all am askni is is it not possible/y can't they??and all am gettn are replies frm ppl who have archaic knowledge of health issues, am sure u don't evn know d work of a pharmacist or med lab personnel, u are definitely one of d not-so-knowledgeable ppl who calls any1 u see in a wardcoat a doctor, as 2 ur 1st statement,u didn't mention other types of paralegals we have??do u mean secretaries,cleaners

chookudi:

u are definitely not in d medical field so there is no point trying to explain 5th grade maths 2 a 2nd year grader, who says pharmacist don't specialize in other fields viz-a-viz pharmacology,oncology,cardiology and d likes??am not saying a pharmacist or other health workers "MUST" be CMDs, all am askni is is it not possible/y can't they??and all am gettn are replies frm ppl who have archaic knowledge of health issues, am sure u don't evn know d work of a pharmacist or med lab personnel, u are definitely one of d not-so-knowledgeable ppl who calls any1 u see in a wardcoat a doctor, as 2 your 1st statement,u didn't mention other types of paralegals we have??do u mean secretaries,cleaners

. Now I know u are more ignorant than u seem to appear. If a pharmacist specialised in cardiology what that simply means is that he specialised in drugs use in cardiology department, nothing more. What do pharmacist know about cardiology? Or oncology. For your information, most doctors know more about the pharmacology of drugs than an average pharmacist. Doctors may not know much about the chemistry of drugs but once it comes to pharmacology, they are better trained. U and I know that I am saying the truth especially when you listen to the rubbish many pharmacist come to present in clinical meetings as drug presentation. of course anybody in ward coat can't be a doctor and that is what we are trying to say. It is you paramedics that pretend to be what u are not. A doctor will not pretend to be a pharmacist and will not struggle to head the nursing section. So stay where ur profession put u and kip quiet

dora was a health minister< she wasnt a doctor. but as per cmd yes it must be a doctor

helpee:

. Now I know u are more ignorant than u seem to appear. If a pharmacist specialise in cardiology what that simply means is that he specialise in drugs use in cardiology department nothing more. What do pharmacist know about cardiology? Or oncology. For your information most doctors know more about the pharmacology of drugs than an average pharmacist. Doctors may not know about the chemistry of drugs but once it comes to pharmacology they are better trained. U and I know I am saying the truth especially when you listen to the rubbish many pharmacist come to present in clinical meetings as drug presentation. of course anybody in ward coat can't be a doctor and that is what we are trying to say. It is you paramedics that pretend to be what u are not. A doctor will not pretend to be a pharmacist and will not struggle to head the nursing section. So stay where your profession put u and kip quiet

OMG!!So all this while I have been talking with a kookie fella!!smh, very soon we'll hear that doctors have more knowledge of dry/wet cell batteries than a battery charger!!!Imagine!!BTW are u a doctor or sumfin??cuz I can bet my di.ck u r not.and just incase u are,u didn't finish frm any federal university, if u were,these pathetic vocabulary won't leave ur larynx!!!!

The fact is a medical doctor is versed in all aspects of the medical profession, e fit no be 100% but he still has the general knowledge of it all which puts him in d best position to be a CMD. There isn't any basis for arguments here at all.

chookudi:

OMG!!So all this while I have been talking with a kookie fella!!smh, very soon we'll hear that doctors have more knowledge of dry/wet cell batteries than a battery charger!!!Imagine!!BTW are u a doctor or sumfin??cuz I can bet my di.ck u r not.and just incase u are,u didn't finish frm any federal university, if u were,these pathetic vocabulary won't leave your larynx!!!!

At least you can now see how immature and short sighted you are. The worst medical school will still parade the best graduating students from different secondary school. Doctors are composed and are trained as team leaders from day one so they don't come to a forum like this to lose their composure. They are very disciplined. Can u hear urself? Somebody willing to head a medical team already losing his patience on a forum. Ask any pharmacist or lab man wether they have ever worked with a nurse but they will tell you NO cos their path rarely cross. You don't even know their temperament yet you want to head them. Even the worst state medical school will still parade more brilliant student than the best federal pharmacy school. Get that into ur dull brain

sartorius:

dora was a health minister< she wasnt a doctor. but as per cmd yes it must be a doctor

She was never a minister of health, moreover it is best not neccessary that minister of health should be a medical doctor, the best health  minister in recent history, (lambo) is not a medical doctor but an Health Economist

helpee:

At least you can now see how immature and short sighted you are. The worst medical school will still parade the best graduating students from different secondary school. Doctors are composed and are trained as team leaders from day one so they don't come to a forum like this to lose their composure. They are very disciplined. Can u hear urself? Somebody willing to head a medical team already losing his patience on a forum. Ask any pharmacist or lab man wether they have ever worked with a nurse but they will tell you NO cos their path rarely cross. You don't even know their temperament yet you want to head them. Even the worst state medical school will still parade more brilliant student than the best federal pharmacy school. Get that into your dull brain

Erm,u stil havnt told me if u r a doctor or where u finishd frm??ashamed 2 tel us wherehehehe, so d paths of a pharm n nurse don't cross?have u ever heard of Unit Dose dispensing system(UDDS), of course u haven't, if not u won't exhibit ur folly, who are pharmacist suposd 2 serve??lizards n rats??dnt nurses fall ill too??are u frm d worst medical schl bt tryna save face by comparing 2 d best pharm schl??my frnd,I rest my case, Nigeria has a long way 2go with ppl lyk u as Nigerians

for pharmacists they can have chief pharmaceutical director 

evilspirit:

for pharmacists they can have chief pharmaceutical director 

not necessary to be a doctor, it can be any health worker with years of experience in public health service and that is the reason we PhD in public health service.

You don't need to be a genius to be a medical doctor. An average brain of C6 parallel at O level can become a medical doctor. I think the position of Chief Medical Director should be renamed as Hospital Director and an administrator is suppose to head the hospital. There are those who specialize on Health Service Administration. I think we should give it to them Or make it mandatory for all those aspiring for Medical director to have at least a Masters degree in Administration. Most of our Doctors lack administrative skills. It is very evident.

A Chief Medical director does not have to be the chief executive of a hospital. As someone said, there can be a chief nursing director, a chief pharmaceutical director, a chief laboratory director but they all shld be answerable to a CEO which is purely managerial position.

The present order of things is to say the least laughable. Doctors are taking 1-2yr turns as CMDs which is nothing more than ego trips and rent seeking opportunities. There are no real laid down plans for short/long term policy formulation/implementation, no vision and as a result these hospitals are forever stunted in infrastructures, technology, career dvt, etc.

The position of CEOs should be left to people with requisite qualification and experience. Being a doctor etc will then be just an advantage and not a sole pre-qualification to run these huge multi-million dollar establishments.

Those who liken medical practice to the judiciary are being insincere because the hospital can be a self sustaining business. The judiciary cannot unless if they want judges to start selling justice.

The issue is about managing a hospital.i belief directors of various departments in the hospital should be handled by professional in those fields.e.g a surgeon should head the surgery department.i think its a waste of manpower to make a doctor the administrator of the whole hospital.the work of 'cmd' is largely administrative which involves coordinating all the depts in the hospital,approving all sorts of contracts,hiring and firing staff etc.a qualified 'cmd' 4 a hospital with all due respect,can only be someone trained and experienced in the science of corporate management.this practice is just one of the things wrong with nigeria

I'm tempted 2 lend my opinion in this forum. CMD is not 4 jst any doctor but a CONSULTANT(SPECIALIST). The argument is uncalled for. As the head of the team, then CMD post is 4 d doctor. Coz if u think otherwise then nt only pharmacist ll b eligible Nurses, Lab scientists, Admin officers, Security personeels ll all vie 4 d post.
Initially pharmacist said they shd b called doctorz too, nw they want 2 b CMDs. What is the fuss abt??

Only someone from a Business School can manage it profitably. The CMD's usually have their agenda's of running multiple institutions also coming to work late and not been able to take a call where necessary especially the male counterparts.Small gods! I recommend someone from the social sciences or business management to administer such directorship role in a top medical echelon.

burkutu:

i think its a waste of manpower to make a doctor the administrator of the whole hospital.the work of 'cmd' is largely administrative

Indeed its a waste of manpower. When they occupy that position, they even stagnate academically

Ekpekus:

I'm tempted 2 lend my opinion in this forum. CMD is not 4 jst any doctor but a CONSULTANT(SPECIALIST). The argument is uncalled for. As the head of the team, then CMD post is 4 d doctor. Coz if u think otherwise then nt only pharmacist ll b eligible Nurses, Lab scientists, Admin officers, Security personeels ll all vie 4 d post.
Initially pharmacist said they shd b called doctorz too, nw they want 2 b CMDs. What is the fuss abt??

This is the arrant nonsense we have had so many times. How does your training as a consultant radiologist qualify you more than a lab director to head a teaching or a gen hospital?

Ekpekus:

I'm tempted 2 lend my opinion in this forum. CMD is not 4 jst any doctor but a CONSULTANT(SPECIALIST). The argument is uncalled for. As the head of the team, then CMD post is 4 d doctor. Coz if u think otherwise then nt only pharmacist ll b eligible Nurses, Lab scientists, Admin officers, Security personeels  ll all vie 4 d post.
Initially pharmacist said they shd b called doctorz too, nw they want 2 b CMDs. What is the fuss abt??

I do not agree with u, at NO point did pharmacist ask 2 b called medical doctors cuz they are not, it is only pharmacy graduates of UNIBEN who can be called doctors cuz their own degree is Doctor of Pharmacy degree(pharm D) which is the minimum standard required 4 practice in advanced countries lyk d USA, am not sayn pharmacists shld b CMDs, what am sayn is as long as any health personnel is suitably qualified irrespective of ur discipline and u possess required n applicable qualifications,u shld have a shot @ d post, evn if cleaners also possess such(though they wuldnt b cleaners if they did),they shld also b considered, chikena!!!

Yes o

Have you seen a

Chief Financial Officer who isn't a finance expert?

Chief Information Officer who isn't a Info Tech expert?

Chief Engineering Officer who isn't an Engineering Expert?

Therefore a Chief Medical Director [b]isn't[/b]the CEO of a Hospital Organization BUT the expert in-charge of Medical Operations in the hospital and is imperative that he/she must have some sought of Medical education / experience. IMO, pharmacy isn't part of medical operations so pharmacist unfortunately shouldn't be allowed to hold the position.

Professionalism cannot be left out when choosing the CMD.

Health minister is a political appointment any body can be appointed by the president to that position. The position of a chief medical director combines both administrative and medical duties. Only when these are separated can any professional other than a medical doctor be appointed as such. It is high time our health professionals stop unhealthy rivalry which is affecting patient management in the hospital. Many pharmacist are satisfied with compounding and dispensing of drugs. How many care to monitor adverse drugs reactions in patients? How many do ward rounds? In fact most patients prefer buying their drugs in "pharmacist stores" outside the hospitals. This showed that most hospitals can exist without pharmacist. I respect nurses who are always with the patients but how many of them are courteous? What about the professionals in the lab who treat patients base on lab results? The doctors are also not left out, most are egocentric. Patients are doing daily in our hospitals with diseases and ailments most countries even in Sub-Saharan Africa have tamed.