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Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by realchange: 10:35pm On Nov 15, 2011
i was watching this CNN show "Black in America, Silicon valley" (I'm sure most of you saw it too). in this show, a group of black Americans visited silicon valley to scout for venture capitalist who would fund their ideas. each came with his own idea and plans, and each worked on his or her idea and went to a room full of potential investors to pitch their ideas. after they failed to make any impression in a room filled with white people and Asians (silicon valley is dominated by these groups of course), they went home wondering what they did wrong.
A successful IT company owner (an Indian guy), told them how he did his the first time when there weren't much Indians in the valley; he hired two tall white guys to market his idea and be the front end of the company, while he stayed at the back end. why didn't they figure out this simple tactic on their own? Why couldn't they see something so simple and apply the same tactic?
they continued in their individual efforts and kept failing until one of them (an older guy) suddenly came to his senses. he wondered why they were all walking and working separately on their ideas when they should be pulling together and working together. he told them that they only had each other to rely on, so they finally came to their senses and started working together. their last presentation was far better than all their previous attempts.
here comes my concern; they were shocked that silicon valley worked that way, whereby your ideas mean nothing unless you have someone from your own race and culture that is ready to fund you. It is not impossible, but it is far harder to get funding outside your own race, so said one white guy who was honest enough. he explained that people would more likely invest in a trusted person that just an idea. why didn't these blacks born and raised in the US figure out that simple fact. wasn't it simple enough? why do they always expect handouts from people who don't share their backgrounds? would you trust your money with a person you can understand or one you may not understand? these are simple facts of life, but these blacks failed to see that; also why do blacks with money fail to fund fellow blacks? who would fund them? the whole thing got me thinking. these guys were mainly college graduates with some great ideas, but why couldn't they understand something so simple? are blacks naturally dumb, or are they just careless? can carelessness and IT work together? i doubt it.
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by Rgp92: 11:33pm On Nov 15, 2011
Dumb
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by manny4life(m): 12:03am On Nov 16, 2011
Unfortunately, that's how funding is. Like I was telling Seun and a few on a thread he put as a competition for those who could come up with ideas about an library business. Point is, IMO, it's neither of the two. We blacks in particular streotype amongst ourselves than those whom we seek from. Like I said on that thread, VC have seen tons of ideas, thrashed many, we think our idea is the best and all in all and wouldn't work together, meanwhile, white person can gather a team together and go for funding. It's our mentality

--- We don't work together and we cannot check ourselves, taking an advice is a feat for us

--- We have issue thinking we're the sh.it, you idea is the sh.it, WAKE UP. Like my instructor once told me, 70,000 around the world have the same idea that you have, the difference is just funding it.
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by DaRapture: 12:09am On Nov 16, 2011
realchange:

i was watching this CNN show "Black in America, Silicon valley" (I'm sure most of you saw it too). in this show, a group of black Americans visited silicon valley to scout for venture capitalist who would fund their ideas. each came with his own idea and plans, and each worked on his or her idea and went to a room full of potential investors to pitch their ideas. after they failed to make any impression in a room filled with white people and Asians (silicon valley is dominated by these groups of course), they went home wondering what they did wrong.
A successful IT company owner (an Indian guy), told them how he did his the first time when there weren't much Indians in the valley; he hired two tall white guys to market his idea and be the front end of the company, while he stayed at the back end. why didn't they figure out this simple tactic on their own? Why couldn't they see something so simple and apply the same tactic?
they continued in their individual efforts and kept failing until one of them (an older guy) suddenly came to his senses. he wondered why they were all walking and working separately on their ideas when they should be pulling together and working together. he told them that they only had each other to rely on, so they finally came to their senses and started working together. their last presentation was far better than all their previous attempts.
here comes my concern; they were shocked that silicon valley worked that way, whereby your ideas mean nothing unless you have someone from your own race and culture that is ready to fund you. It is not impossible, but it is far harder to get funding outside your own race, so said one white guy who was honest enough. he explained that people would more likely invest in a trusted person that just an idea. why didn't these blacks born and raised in the US figure out that simple fact. wasn't it simple enough? why do they always expect handouts from people who don't share their backgrounds? would you trust your money with a person you can understand or one you may not understand? these are simple facts of life, but these blacks failed to see that; also why do blacks with money fail to fund fellow blacks? who would fund them? the whole thing got me thinking. these guys were mainly college graduates with some great ideas, but why couldn't they understand something so simple? are blacks naturally dumb, or are they just careless? can carelessness and IT work together? i doubt it. 

Nope those particular individuals were simply TRUE Americans, who believed, to a fault, in the dream of a non bias nation that they figured cared more about the profit the green they'ed stack off of a solid idea than the color of the person presenting it. Big mistake; this nation is as racist as ever and without the existence of federal regulation countering much of racial based bias, the massive level to which this nation is racialised would be frighteningly apparent. The simple fact is that they, tried to do it the RIGHT way, and were taught a valuable lesson, in which they learned from, and corrected, and now they are doing fine, and have laid a path in which many more up and coming blacks, will be able to travel upon in the expansion of a black presence in the Valley. Simple. No need for all of the ignorant, and childish name calling.
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by MrsChima1(f): 3:26am On Nov 16, 2011
OP

You should thank these naturally dumb and careless Black Americans/Blacks.

George Washington Carver
Dr. Charles Richard Crew
Garret Morgan
Lewis Latimer
Elijah McCoy
Granville Woods
Madame CJ Walker
Otis Boykin
Dr. Patricia Bath
Lonnie Johnson

These "dumb and careless" inventors are the reason you are using internet freely. wink cool
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by pleep(m): 5:14am On Nov 16, 2011
DaRapture:

Nope those particular individuals were simply TRUE Americans, who believed, to a fault, in the dream of a non bias nation that they figured cared more about the profit the green they'ed stack off of a solid idea than the color of the person presenting it. Big mistake; this nation is as racist as ever and without the existence of federal regulation countering much of racial based bias, the massive level to which this nation is racialised would be frighteningly apparent. The simple fact is that they, tried to do it the RIGHT way, and were taught a valuable lesson, in which they learned from, and corrected, and now they are doing fine, and have laid a path in which many more up and coming blacks, will be able to travel upon in the expansion of a black presence in the Valley. Simple. No need for all of the ignorant, and childish name calling.
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Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by Rgp92: 9:38am On Nov 16, 2011
Mrs, Chima:

OP

You should thank these naturally dumb and careless Black Americans/Blacks.

George Washington Carver
Dr. Charles Richard Crew
Garret Morgan
Lewis Latimer
Elijah McCoy
Granville Woods
Madame CJ Walker
Otis Boykin
Dr. Patricia Bath
Lonnie Johnson

These "dumb and careless" inventors are the reason you are using internet freely. wink cool

Woohoo a few black americans, that means black people are smart. How How did water gun improve my internet? undecided
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by MrsChima1(f): 12:45pm On Nov 16, 2011
What have you invented? Jealousy? grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin


Oyinbos loves Lonnie Johnson's invention. tongue tongue tongue tongue grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by buzugee(m): 12:51pm On Nov 16, 2011
personally i think you are the dumb person and your post is careless. you have debased yourself into the sewer that the media has trapped you in. you have drank the koolaid. fortunately, some people have not drank the koolaid yet and are still decent enough to see the world as a race of humans, not a race of colors. if anyone is dumb, its the venture capitalists who would rather invest in a color than in a good idea. you can put the shortcomings of the venture capitalists and of yourself on these innovative african americfans who just see the world for what it is, a race of humans. of course as always happens, from mingling with people like you and the venture capitalists, these african americans will eventually get jaded and brought down to the cesspool of racial segregation, then they will be come angry bitter and violent. then you all can get a double helping of your routine questions, WHY ARE AFRICAN AMERICANS SO VIOLENT,
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by buzugee(m): 12:53pm On Nov 16, 2011
*YOU CANT PUT THE SHORTCOMINGS* how come this forum does not let people correct their typos after it is sent ?
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by buzugee(m): 12:58pm On Nov 16, 2011
DaRapture:

Nope those particular individuals were simply TRUE Americans, who believed, to a fault, in the dream of a non bias nation that they figured cared more about the profit the green they'ed stack off of a solid idea than the color of the person presenting it. Big mistake; this nation is as racist as ever and without the existence of federal regulation countering much of racial based bias, the massive level to which this nation is racialised would be frighteningly apparent. The simple fact is that they, tried to do it the RIGHT way, and were taught a valuable lesson, in which they learned from, and corrected, and now they are doing fine, and have laid a path in which many more up and coming blacks, will be able to travel upon in the expansion of a black presence in the Valley. Simple. No need for all of the ignorant, and childish name calling.
just saw this post.SIMILAR MINDS
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by merge(f): 1:04pm On Nov 16, 2011
@poster Good Post I agree but would not say naturally. Blacks don't work together that why its harder for them to achieve success.
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by walcolm(m): 1:05pm On Nov 16, 2011
buzugee:

personally i think you are the dumb person and your post is careless. you have debased yourself into the sewer that the media has trapped you in. you have drank the koolaid. fortunately, some people have not drank the koolaid yet and are still decent enough to see the world as a race of humans, not a race of colors. if anyone is dumb, its the venture capitalists who would rather invest in a color than in a good idea. you can put the shortcomings of the venture capitalists and of yourself on these innovative african americfans who just see the world for what it is, a race of humans. of course as always happens, from mingling with people like you and the venture capitalists, these african americans will eventually get jaded and brought down to the cesspool of racial segregation, then they will be come angry bitter and violent. then you all can get a double helping of your routine questions, WHY ARE AFRICAN AMERICANS SO VIOLENT,

well i was not going to kick the OPs a$$ like you did but he deserves it

i agree with you those guys just believed the world is made of people. it can be said their business sense was short aka naive but they eventually realized that working together everybody can achieve more rather than trying to build empires in silos.

its a simple biz phenomenon that capitalists are not trusting of untried business ideas and untested entrepreneurs because so many great ideas loose money all over the world everyday
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by jmoore(m): 1:06pm On Nov 16, 2011
@poster  are you black? If your answer is yes, then answer these two questions. Are you dumb? Are your parents dumb ?

what have you invented?


These folks have ideas, they got it all worked out. What they needed was someone to fund it and you are already concluding that they are dumb.

You will also call someone "dumb" who have great business ideas but bank refuses to give him loan.
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by buzugee(m): 1:17pm On Nov 16, 2011
walcolm:

well i was not going to kick the OPs a$$ like you did but he deserves it

i agree with you those guys just believed the world is made of people. it can be said their business sense was short aka naive but they eventually realized that working together everybody can achieve more rather than trying to build empires in silos.

its a simple biz phenomenon that capitalists are not trusting of untried business ideas and untested entrepreneurs because so many great ideas loose money all over the world everyday
I personally did not watch the program in question and as such cannot comment on their business sense. fact still remains that america is an extremely racist country and its funny to say this but you stand a better chance of getting funds as a solitary black man than as a bunch of black people. nothing scares white people more than 'a pack of niggaz'. african americans have probably come to realise this fact and this is why they strive to go it alone. nothing to do with 'black people dont stick together'. heck you just try hanging on the street with a bunch of other black people and see what happens in less than 10 minutes. best believe you will all be sorrounded by cops. a bunch of black people is seen as a threat by these crackaz. so it is this type of conditioning they get from youth that makes them go it alone. its a psychological thing.
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by highland(m): 1:41pm On Nov 16, 2011
Don't believe any report on CNN on black people, it is melt to ridicule.
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by igbo2011(m): 1:53pm On Nov 16, 2011
@Rgp92
Why do you hate black people so much? We accomplished so much. Did you know that black people were inventing products while they were slaves? Slaves with NO EDUCATION were inventing things but Africans were not sen as humans so they gave the credit to the master. Even after slavery, black peollke had the worst schools and still invented things. Right now this day, black people have the WORST schools in the America. Look up Trading schools by Oprah, she did something about that. Poor blacks vs rich whites have different schools. There is so much racism in America it is engraved in societ.y. Trust me, i stuy a lot about it. Getting housing, loans, jobs, healthcare, education, etc. Watch this series to understand more.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnCGvOlTEzQ

Also, historically, Africans were the first scientists, astonomers, etc. We did so much but don't get credit due to white supremacy. Greek people studied in Anceint Egypt to learn from black people. Even the Moor did so much. Black people colonizedsouth Europe for 780 years. From 711 to 1492, this is NOT TAUGHT in schools for a reason. Isn't it just a coinicidence that "Modern" society is 1492 and ancient is before that. moors and olmecs both of African descent came to the Americas. The olmecs came thousands of years before Columbus. Moorish science contributed so much to toay's science. www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O4OyWmJelY

Here are the olmecs: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be3NramkXw0
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by musKeeto(m): 1:55pm On Nov 16, 2011
buzugee:

I personally did not watch the program in question and as such cannot comment on their business sense. fact still remains that america is an extremely racist country and its funny to say this but you stand a better chance of getting funds as a solitary black man than as a bunch of black people. nothing scares white people more than 'a pack of niggaz'. african americans have probably come to realise this fact and this is why they strive to go it alone. nothing to do with 'black people dont stick together'. heck you just try hanging on the street with a bunch of other black people and see what happens in less than 10 minutes. best believe you will all be sorrounded by cops. a bunch of black people is seen as a threat by these crackaz. so it is this type of conditioning they get from youth that makes them go it alone. its a psychological thing.

Good advice from an Agege Area Boy tongue
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by phreakabit(m): 2:20pm On Nov 16, 2011
Well Black people are dumb! I AM NOT BLACK. . . .  I AM AFRICAN. People dont know it but the word "BLACK" has always been associated with bad/evil. I was going to make a thread about what I just said some months ago, but thought it would be a waste of my time, I dont know why I just thought so though. Even though the Asian and Hispanic are called Yellow and Brown respectively, I am yet to see a Bio-data form that says

White []
Black  []
Yellow[]
Brown[]

Rather I see Caucasian, Asian,Hispanic,Arabian and wait for it . . . . . BLACK. Its sickening!!! BTW intelligence has nothing to do with your race. Whoever asked that question (originally) is surely dumb possessed by the spirit god of dumbness and has been blessed with an inexhaustible supply of stupidity spanning an infinite loop!


BTW are Africans really black?
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by hajifaty: 2:27pm On Nov 16, 2011
buzugee:

I personally did not watch the program in question and as such cannot comment on their business sense. fact still remains that america is an extremely racist country and its funny to say this but you stand a better chance of getting funds as a solitary black man than as a bunch of black people. nothing scares white people more than 'a pack of niggaz'. african americans have probably come to realise this fact and this is why they strive to go it alone. nothing to do with 'black people dont stick together'.  heck you just try hanging on the street with a bunch of other black people and see what happens in less than 10 minutes. best believe you will all be sorrounded by cops. a bunch of black people is seen as a threat by these crackaz. so it is this type of conditioning they get from youth that makes them go it alone. its a psychological thing.

You said it all bro. Best comment so far. I hope our fellow bros&sis will get this into their head. They should always try to figure things out by their selves  not always see the white pple as their little gods. These people don't give a fuc k about we blacks. Majority of us are naturally dumb, sad but its true
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by nex(m): 2:30pm On Nov 16, 2011
@RealChange


Your own post has shown that the issue is not stupidity, but racism. Your topic should read: ARE AFRICANS AND AFRICAN AMERICANS STILL BEING RACIALLY DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BY BUSINESSES IN AMERICA?

Secondly, you have to be clear what you mean by "Black People". I'M NOT BLACK, I'M AFRICAN!

Thank you very much.
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by igbo2011(m): 2:31pm On Nov 16, 2011
phreakabit:

Well Black people are dumb! I AM NOT BLACK. . . .  I AM AFRICAN. People dont know it but the word "BLACK" has always been associated with bad/evil. I was going to make a thread about what I just said some months ago, but thought it would be a waste of my time, I dont know why I just thought so though. Even though the Asian and Hispanic are called Yellow and Brown respectively, I am yet to see a Bio-data form that says

White []
Black  []
Yellow[]
Brown[]

Rather I see Caucasian, Asian,Hispanic,Arabian and wait for it . . . . . BLACK. Its sickening!!! BTW intelligence has nothing to do with your race. Whoever asked that question (originally) is surely dumb possessed by the spirit god of dumbness and has been blessed with an inexhaustible supply of stupidity spanning an infinite loop!


BTW are Africans really black?

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-793468.0.html

hajifaty:

You said it all bro. Best comment so far. I hope our fellow bros&sis will get this into their head. They should always try to figure things out by their selves  not always see the white pple as their little gods. These people don't give a fuc k about we blacks. Majority of us are naturally dumb, sad but its true
Self-hatred at it's finest.
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by phreakabit(m): 2:48pm On Nov 16, 2011
igbo2011:

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-793468.0.html

I am glad someone else shares the same point of view.
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by redsun(m): 2:51pm On Nov 16, 2011
This is a classic case of living in whiteman's world.Brothers and sisters that wants to belong are helpless,especially with people like the poster thinking that it is dumb for them to be themselves.
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by kunlekunle: 3:23pm On Nov 16, 2011
the good ones usually leave the neighbourhood.
wats left
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by UyiIredia(m): 3:31pm On Nov 16, 2011
I'm dark chocolate brown in complexion. And by the way i do not think 'blacks' are dumb or careless.
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by otumfour(m): 3:36pm On Nov 16, 2011
realchange:


A successful IT company owner (an Indian guy), told them how he did his the first time when there weren't much Indians in the valley; he hired two tall white guys to market his idea and be the front end of the company, while he stayed at the back end. why didn't they figure out this simple tactic on their own? Why couldn't they see something so simple and apply the same tactic?


dumbest part, how tha furk u expect'em to figga tht out huh! we live and learn u dumb'arzz
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by Nobody: 4:04pm On Nov 16, 2011
realchange:

A successful IT company owner (an Indian guy), told them how he did his the first time when there weren't much Indians in the valley; he hired two tall white guys to market his idea and be the front end of the company, while he stayed at the back end. why didn't they figure out this simple tactic on their own? Why couldn't they see something so simple and apply the same tactic?. . .

. . .why didn't these blacks born and raised in the US figure out that simple fact. wasn't it simple enough? why do they always expect handouts from people who don't share their backgrounds?

contradiction.  tongue

And what do you mean "black people born in America"? excuse me but the same lack of unity can be found on African soil. The most I've seen Africans pull together was and only when they come to the west and find themselves the subject of ridicule and stereotypes, then they work together. But even then the distrust for one another and the animosity is still there. That is exactly how slavery occurred and the reason why it takes little effort from whites to "keep us down" because we do it to ourselves, regardless of where were are from. Out your own "embarrassment" you made it a "black american" thing. tisk tisk. Going back to Africans, just look at how SOME of them who have made it to "Oyibo land" treat/ talk about those who haven't? It's psychological. Black people have been divisive and tribalist since the beginning of time! Add Eurocentric ideologies to it and it's 'a wrap'!!! But luckily some of us realize/d what is the core of them problem. . US. It doesn't make us dumb, it makes us human. We just learned the lesson later than others.

You say black ppl in America ask for hand outs? NOT THIS ONE. I work hard for what I want and have, I support the local black businesses even the "latino ones" for the simple fact that my mother too is an immigrant and I want them to know not all of us are closed minded.

Chima beautifully posted just a FEW of our go-getter ancestors who set the pace and example for us. They didn't and we won't have the power to get all black people on the bandwagon of success however it is proven that blacks are now seeing the importance of working together and have in great numbers invested in businesses that benefit and target black people. As someone said, white folks DO get alarmed when they see a bunch of "niggas" together, but our 'shuffling' when the 'Great white massah' approach is what gives them the false sense of superiority.We need to be educated, ambitious and most importantly no nonsense when dealing with these people. Simple.
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by suave: 4:10pm On Nov 16, 2011
I see no direct correlation between being dumb or careless and the above post. I thought the show was "Black in America." Why should I hire a dude to do a presentation of my very own idea because he is white? In the end, he becomes the regular smart white dude with brilliant ideas while I become a slave to my own idea, and we would be replying to posts like "why aren't there any black guys in "Black in America."" When did being white become an automatic ticket for success. Are you arguing about a collective effort or using a white man as a forefront to everything. Using a white man might have seemed like a "smart" mainstream idea, it takes courage to ply a path that usually ends in rejection, they exuded it. That show was rather portraying stereotypes in American businesses, its unfortunate you failed to realize that fact.
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by IbroSaunks(m): 4:54pm On Nov 16, 2011
so just because someone didn't notice ONE simple thing, they are dumb and/or careless??
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by armyofone: 5:18pm On Nov 16, 2011
i wouldn't say they are dumb or careless it is just how *unfortunately* undecided the system is. for whatever a caucasian/asian got on a platter of gold, blacks got it with extra hardwork. take for example the unemployment rate for black is high while those for the other group is low. easy for caucasian/asian than black.
Re: Are Most Black People Naturally Dumb Or Just Careless? by kemmeye: 7:01pm On Nov 16, 2011
smdh,

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