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Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by cap28: 11:25pm On Nov 23, 2011
This is a thorough and comprehensive analysis of  how libya almost succeeded in ending 5 centuries of western exploitation of the entire african continent,  various speakers also analyse the acheivements of the Qadaffi regime.

You will also hear why britain, france and america armed, funded and trained criminal racist gangs deliberately in order to ensure that a new anti black libyan govt would assume power in libya and thereby END Muammar Qadaffi's plan to create a united african continent.

You will also hear how the western media collaborated with their respective govts to cover up the systematic massacre of thousands of black africans by gangs of NTC RACISTS WHO LYNCHED AND BRUTALISED INNOCENT PEOPLE WITHOUT FEAR OF PUNISHMENT - you will hear how and why all of this was allowed to happen and you will also hear how none of it was coincidental but a deliberate plan hatched by europe and america to create a   PERMANENT RIFT between north and so called sub saharan africa

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Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by logic101: 11:27pm On Nov 23, 2011
bro your right would watch the video when i have time.Have you by aby chance read the destruction of black civilization by chancelllor williams
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by cap28: 11:31pm On Nov 23, 2011
^^^^
yes i had it , but someone borrowed it and didnt return it, but im going to get another copy because its a very important book.

let me know what you think of this video, when you get round to watching it.

peace bro. cool
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by igbo2011(m): 11:46pm On Nov 23, 2011
How about the African Dinar?  Do you think that somebody else is doing that now? Or did NATO destroy that plan? Also I hate how the AU betrayed Gaddaffi, we have such puppet leaders.  Nigerians ned to rise up like Egypt is doing now for a civilian government that will be FOR the average Nigeria and not for the elite.

Also, how about the African Monetary Fund, African Central bank, Single African language.  Is the AU trying to do that?   Probably not.  But I just started the video, I'll see what they say.
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by naira2011(m): 11:52pm On Nov 23, 2011
am watching the video now,
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by igbo2011(m): 3:24pm On Nov 24, 2011
NATO is ready to do the same thing they did to Libya to other African countries. Look what they did to ivory Coast. Goodluck is a good house boy so they won't do it to Nigeria yet. But if Buhari was President I wonder what they would be doing.
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by purplekayc(m): 12:38am On Nov 26, 2011
whatever grin grin grin grin he should have known and i think the guy ruled 4 too long,
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by Beaf: 2:26am On Nov 26, 2011
Crap 28. What was he going to replace it with? Charles Taylor, Yommy Johnson, Blaise Compaoré and Sam Bockerie AKA "General" Mosquito?

Crap 28, do you know which of the Gaddafi allies above killed the man in the pic below? Do you know who he is?
His was executed by someone who graduated from Muammar Gaddafi's World Revolutionary Center (WRC) and who was one of the few scumbags in the World to offer Gaddafi sanctuary from the ICC in exile.

Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by AfroBlue(m): 3:48pm On Nov 26, 2011
Supplement ,

Chavez repatriates Venezuela's foreign gold reserves

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-15900885
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by cap28: 7:36pm On Nov 26, 2011
Beaf:

Crap 28. What was he going to replace it with? Charles Taylor, Yommy Johnson, Blaise Compaoré and Sam Bockerie AKA "General" Mosquito?

Crap 28, do you know which of the Gaddafi allies above killed the man in the pic below? Do you know who he is?
His was executed by someone who graduated from Muammar Gaddafi's World Revolutionary Center (WRC) and who was one of the few scumbags in the World to offer Gaddafi sanctuary from the ICC in exile.



Muammar Qadaffi had nothing to do with Thomas Sankara's death - the fact that Campaore received financial assistance from the Libyan govt does not mean that Qadaffi was in support of Campaore's killing of Sankara.  It is a well known fact that France hated Sankara because of his attempt to free Burkina Faso from the grip of french exploitation and colonialism.

If your argument is that Campaore received military assistance and funding from Libya for troops that were later deployed to liberia and sierra leone then you also need to apply that same argument to the US govt who as we speak continue to fund and arm gangs of anti black racists in libya who are still killing thousands of blacks in libya.

How come you are not outraged by these criminal gangs in Libya who are all creations of the CIA, MI6 and MOSSAD?

These criminals are currently flying their flag over the Libyan courthouse - doesnt that bother you?

Campaore was responsible for killing his childhood friend Sankara - he was jealous and power hungry and when the french offered him the presidency of Burkina Faso on the condition that he kill his best friend he didnt think twice - none of this had anything to do with Muammar Qadaffi.

Look at the kind of leaders your beloved west has imposed on africa: Mobutu Sese Seko, Omar Bongo, IBB, Obasanjo, GEJ, Allassane Ouattara and now Al Qaeda in Libya - do they strike you as people who give a sh.it about the progress of africa?
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by MandingoII(m): 10:10pm On Nov 26, 2011
Truth to power. But only a few are listening. Most are like Morpheus.

Depraved lotS from the World's oppressed willing to do ANYTHING up to and including , licking Yt's boots, butts and turning around and allowing them to ram him in the butt, All for a COIN. embarassed
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by morpheus24: 12:07am On Nov 27, 2011
MandingoII:

Truth to power. But only a few are listening. Most are like Morpheus.

Depraved lotS from the World's oppressed willing to do ANYTHING up to and including , licking Yt's boots, butts and turning around and allowing them to ram him in the butt, All for a COIN. embarassed

You do know psychologist say that frequent references of the s, e, x, a.u.a.l nature in conversations between males often point to ones attempt to mask timidness and ones hidden 'short comings" and I am being generous in using the phrase' short comings' as a euphenism. wink
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by Beaf: 6:35am On Nov 27, 2011
cap28:

Muammar Qadaffi had nothing to do with Thomas Sankara's death - the fact that Campaore received financial assistance from the Libyan govt does not mean that Qadaffi was in support of Campaore's killing of Sankara.  It is a well known fact that France hated Sankara because of his attempt to free Burkina Faso from the grip of french exploitation and colonialism.

If your argument is that Campaore received military assistance and funding from Libya for troops that were later deployed to liberia and sierra leone then you also need to apply that same argument to the US govt who as we speak continue to fund and arm gangs of anti black racists in libya who are still killing thousands of blacks in libya.

How come you are not outraged by these criminal gangs in Libya who are all creations of the CIA, MI6 and MOSSAD?

These criminals are currently flying their flag over the Libyan courthouse - doesnt that bother you?

Campaore was responsible for killing his childhood friend Sankara - he was jealous and power hungry and when the french offered him the presidency of Burkina Faso on the condition that he kill his best friend he didnt think twice - none of this had anything to do with Muammar Qadaffi.

Look at the kind of leaders your beloved west has imposed on africa: Mobutu Sese Seko, Omar Bongo, IBB, Obasanjo, GEJ, Allassane Ouattara and now Al Qaeda in Libya - do they strike you as people who give a sh.it about the progress of africa?

You are a joker of the highest order! That is why I call you Crap 28, cos thats all your hallucinations amount to, a huge pile of stinking crap dedicated to the promotion of evil and twisted lies. I don't know which devil between ignorance, wickedness, drink or drugs pushes you to do this horrible truth twisting stuff.

Blaise Compaoré killed Sankara, a dynamic and gifted revolutionary; one of the proudest, truest and most principled black men ever to rise to leadership in Africa; but for your phucking Gaddafi, it was, "kill them young."
Compaoré killed him to spread the "Libyan revolution" that was led by the very very dead demon called Gaddafi.

You deposit yourself here everyday to talk mangled bullshiit, but it has never occurred to you that Gaddafi and France have been in cahoots for decades. To show you the extent, one of Saif Al Islams bargaining chips is that Libya bankrolled Sarkozi's campaign.

By the way, your saint Compaoré also introduced Prince Yomie Johnson and Charles Taylor to Gaddafi. He supplied Foday Sanko's RUF and Charles Taylor with weapons from Libya in deal's to break UN sanctions and keep the fountains of blood flowing from the senseless orgiies of violence in Sierra Leone, Liberia and Ivory Coast.

These are just a few graduates of Gaddafi's WRC; Blaise Compaoré, Charles Taylor, Foday Sankoh, Ibrahim Bah and Idriss Deby. Go and find out the common thread that links each of those men.

If you love animals, make sure they are the four footed type, not beastly men who would cannibalise little kids.

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Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by Beaf: 6:57am On Nov 27, 2011
And they indicate that, in this case, Blaise Compaoré and Muammar Gaddafi could have been indicted. Of course, a Prosecutor has an obligation to only indict those that they can prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, and we welcome the fact that the Defence, from the evidence that's been heard in this case, believes that the involvement of Muammar Gaddafi and Blaise Compaoré has been proven, because as your Honours know, having heard all the evidence, certainly there is evidence that these individuals or the governments that they headed aided the RUF.

- Nicholas Kumjian, the prosecuting lawyer in Charles Taylor’s trial at The Hague

http://www.sc-sl.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=L6igKdrjyyg=&tabid=160

All for daimonds. cry
Sierra Leonian war victims that had limbs amputated by the unspeakably evil Gaddafi armed RUF:



Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by cap28: 4:45pm On Nov 27, 2011
Beaf:

You are a joker of the highest order! That is why I call you Crap 28, cos thats all your hallucinations amount to, a huge pile of stinking crap dedicated to the promotion of evil and twisted lies. I don't know which devil between ignorance, wickedness, drink or drugs pushes you to do this horrible truth twisting stuff.

Blaise Compaoré killed Sankara, a dynamic and gifted revolutionary; one of the proudest, truest and most principled black men ever to rise to leadership in Africa; but for your phucking Gaddafi, it was, "kill them young."
Compaoré killed him to spread the "Libyan revolution" that was led by the very very dead demon called Gaddafi.

You deposit yourself here everyday to talk mangled bullshiit, but it has never occurred to you that Gaddafi and France have been in cahoots for decades. To show you the extent, one of Saif Al Islams bargaining chips is that Libya bankrolled Sarkozi's campaign.

By the way, your saint Compaoré also introduced Prince Yomie Johnson and Charles Taylor to Gaddafi. He supplied Foday Sanko's RUF and Charles Taylor with weapons from Libya in deal's to break UN sanctions and keep the fountains of blood flowing from the senseless orgiies of violence in Sierra Leone, Liberia and Ivory Coast.

These are just a few graduates of Gaddafi's WRC; Blaise Compaoré, Charles Taylor, Foday Sankoh, Ibrahim Bah and Idriss Deby. Go and find out the common thread that links each of those men.

If you love animals, make sure they are the four footed type, not beastly men who would cannibalise little kids.

To describe you as an ignorant, blubbering imbe.cile  would be the understatement of the year - where is your proof that Qadaffi gave Campaore the green light to assassinate Thomas Sankara ?

Your ignorance is not only sickening - it is frightening - because if scum like you were ever to get anywhere near the corridors of power you would wreak the kind of havoc that would be felt by generations yet unborn.

here you are one of the most ardent supporters of one of the most gutless, imbecilic and directionless id.iots to lead nigeria mouthing off like a deranged punk about things you do not understand.

Here you are a praise singing fool who loves nothign better than to extol the non existent virtues of a brain dead i.diot who stole millions of dollars from his own electorate within days of being elected a state governor.

what do you know about principles, truth or sincerity?

Did you hear me defend Campaore?

Do you think i am unaware of what Sankara stood for?  I have always respected and admired this great african patriot so spare me your bullshit sermon because i am one of his most ardent supporters, you are a hypocritical arse wipe who has dedicated 100% of your worthless life to singing the praises of corrupt nigerian politicians whilst having your mouth firmly clamped over their respective butt holes and yet you have the nerve to stand in judgement on others.

Yes Qadaffi ran anti imperialist training camps in libya - these camps provided miliitary training to revolutionary groups the objective being to rid the african continent of imperialist stooges who had colluded with their western masters to assist in the exploitation and looting of their own nations the fact that the likes of Campaore chose to use the training he received at these camps to kill his best friend had nothing whatsoever to do with Qadaffi.
This is the same way Charles Taylor's subsequent massacre and brutalisation of his own people had nothing to do with Qadaffi - the issue here is that Taylor and Campaore are psychopathic murderers who would do anything for power, money and influence there is no way Qadaffi could have envisaged that these murderers would have gone on to commit such heinous crimes.

You are just another hungry sycophant who would sell his own mother for a few crumbs from GEJ's plate so spare me your BS about "principles, truth and sincerity.

No sane person would acknowledge or take into consideration anything you have to say about anyone because you have no moral compass and are not in a position to stand in judgement on anyone.  Therefore i treat you and your words in the same way that i would treat a stark raving mad lunatic's  - with the contempt and disdain that they deserve, but let me pose a few questions for your pea brain to mull over:

How did Charles Taylor miraculously escape from a maximum security prison in america in 1985?

How was he able to evade the US law enforcement agencies as well as interpol for over 4 years before he surfaced in Liberia in 1989 to launch his brutal civil war against Liberia?
Why was he not immediately apprehended by Interpol?

why was he allowed to run an arms for diamonds smuggling racket with the ASSISTANCE of the CIA for almost 10 years ?

I would be very suprised if you could come up with any coherent answers to any of the above questions.

For your dumb information Libya has never been in cahoots with France over anything  concerning africa  - Qadaffi has always been anti imperialist - if he were in cahoots with the french why was he about to introduce a single african currency.  The african dinar would have had a catastrophic effect on the french controlled CFA franc which France uses to control and exploit the economies of all the francophone west african countries.
infact Sarkozy stated that Qadaffi had to be killed because he posed a serious threat to the economic survival of France  - nice try punk.
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by igbo2011(m): 4:50pm On Nov 27, 2011
Beaf:

http://www.sc-sl.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=L6igKdrjyyg=&tabid=160

All for daimonds. cry
Sierra Leonian war victims that had limbs amputated by the unspeakably evil Gaddafi armed RUF:




America does worse evils.  Look what they did to the Congo.  Dwight Eisenhower order a hit on Lumumba then they installed Mobutu and supported him with weapons and money.  Also a lot of those loans that were not used for the purpose.  So now Congo is controlled politically and economically. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/aug/10/martinkettle

America supports all the wars in Africa so they can steal resources to fuel their economy.  The war in Sierra Leone, Sudan, Liberia, etc America helped to incite it.  NOw they are coming to Uganda to cause more hell too. http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/africa/111103/uganda-joseph-kony-lra-lord-resistance-army-oil

Open your eyes beaf.  Fore ever bad thing Gaddaffi did America does 100 bad things.  Look how many people they killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.   America couldn't kill Saddam so they invaded.  This is disaster capitalism.  Read the book Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein or Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CofEbxtIxI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWC13S_vF1U
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by cap28: 7:13pm On Nov 27, 2011
Beaf -

Even your own govt under Obasanjo gave political asylum to this mass murderer Charles Taylor - if he was Qadaffi's protege as you so ignorantly allege why didnt Qadaffi give him asylum?

why did Obasanjo think it was a good idea to give a mass murderer asylum - does it not mean that Obasanjo was one of his supporters?
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by cap28: 9:51pm On Nov 27, 2011
igbo2011:

America does worse evils.  Look what they did to the Congo.  Dwight Eisenhower order a hit on Lumumba then they installed Mobutu and supported him with weapons and money.  Also a lot of those loans that were not used for the purpose.  So now Congo is controlled politically and economically. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/aug/10/martinkettle

America supports all the wars in Africa so they can steal resources to fuel their economy.  The war in Sierra Leone, Sudan, Liberia, etc America helped to incite it.  NOw they are coming to Uganda to cause more hell too. http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/africa/111103/uganda-joseph-kony-lra-lord-resistance-army-oil

Open your eyes beaf.  Fore ever bad thing Gaddaffi did America does 100 bad things.  Look how many people they killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.   America couldn't kill Saddam so they invaded.  This is disaster capitalism.  Read the book Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein or Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CofEbxtIxI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWC13S_vF1U

thank you my brother - watch this:

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Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by cap28: 10:40pm On Nov 27, 2011
US soldiers bludgeoning an Iraqi boy's pet to death and NTC savages lynching a black libyan police officer:


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Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by igbo2011(m): 11:43pm On Nov 27, 2011
cap28:

thank you my brother - watch this:

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Africans are finally starting to wake up. 500 years of stealing our history, destroying lots of evidence, and degrading our people, and badly portraying us in the media. How do you feel about religion cap28?
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by cap28: 12:31am On Nov 28, 2011
igbo2011:

Africans are finally starting to wake up. 500 years of stealing our history, destroying lots of evidence, and degrading our people, and badly portraying us in the media. How do you feel about religion cap28?

I used to be an ardent church goer but not anymore, the more you find out about what is going on in the world the more cynical you become, foreign religions have destroyed the minds of most africans - the christian missionaries worked hand in hand with the slave traders and the bible was used to cow and brainwash african people into submission. This is why today many nigerians are virtually human vegetables with zero ability to think critically.

religion in nigeria is big business and is used to keep nigerians oppressed and exploited - this is the reason why the ruling classes in nigeria are not afraid of a revolution because they know the average nigerian is completely spineless.
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by igbo2011(m): 12:45am On Nov 28, 2011
cap28:

I used to be an ardent church goer but not anymore, the more you find out about what is going on in the world the more cynical you become, foreign religions have destroyed the minds of most africans - the christian missionaries worked hand in hand with the slave traders and the bible was used to cow and brainwash african people into submission.  This is why today many nigerians are virtually human vegetables with zero ability to think critically.

religion in nigeria is big business and is used to keep nigerians oppressed and exploited - this is the reason why the ruling classes in nigeria are not afraid of a revolution because they know the average nigerian is completely spineless.

I couldn't have said that any better.  CHristianity is making Africans worship white people subconsciously.  It is a shame, what has this god done for Africa? Check this video out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZOywH33IGI

Africans are too busy waiting for sky daddy to save us instead of doing something about it. The Japanese exiled the missionaries, Africans should have done the same. Also the bible is a bunch of previous religious books like book of the dead. Check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZgT1SRcrKE

Horus and Isis is just like Jesus and Mary.  They also have the same characteristics.  Also how were there over 25 historians and only 1 onf them talked about Jesus? He most likely didn't exist.

Also Egypt is having a second revolution right now and what are most Africans doing? Waiting for sky daddy or killing each other. It is a shame man, most Africans need to wake up.
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by Beaf: 1:07am On Nov 28, 2011
igbo2011:

America does worse evils.  Look what they did to the Congo.  Dwight Eisenhower order a hit on Lumumba then they installed Mobutu and supported him with weapons and money.  Also a lot of those loans that were not used for the purpose.  So now Congo is controlled politically and economically. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/aug/10/martinkettle

America supports all the wars in Africa so they can steal resources to fuel their economy.  The war in Sierra Leone, Sudan, Liberia, etc America helped to incite it.  NOw they are coming to Uganda to cause more hell too. http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/africa/111103/uganda-joseph-kony-lra-lord-resistance-army-oil

Open your eyes beaf.  Fore ever bad thing Gaddaffi did America does 100 bad things.  Look how many people they killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.   America couldn't kill Saddam so they invaded.  This is disaster capitalism.  Read the book Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein or Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CofEbxtIxI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWC13S_vF1U

I really don't care if America is the better or worse evil than Gaddafi; evil is evil, America killed Lumumba and Gaddafi killed Sankara.
Your argument is very poor and simplistic. In politics, there are no permanent friends or foes, only permanent interests; if you view the World from that perspective, you would be able to see things as they really are, instead of operating a tragically faulty, ridiculously simplistic and rigidly formulaic worldview which sets you on the road to nowhere and see's you running scared from your own shadow. My brother, please be wise.

There are permanent interests in our World. The American interest is to be secure and dominant, whereas Gaddafi's interests where those of a maniacally deranged fool; he wanted to spread revolution that would see him end up as king of kings of Africa. The evidence is out there for everyone, Gaddafi spread wanton death, destruction and sorrow throughout West africa. He trained all West Africa's bloody minded insurgents, aided coup plotters, armed them and financed every West African war from the 80's to current times; from Senegal to Gambia, Liberia to Sierra Leone, Mali to Mauritania and from Niger to Chad.
Those like Sankara that stood in his way were weeded out. Nigeria was only lucky because we have a big enough army and abundant oil funds; Gaddafi's phucked up "revolution" would have seen bloodshed here too.

I do not see how anybody can take on an almost theoligical point of view of World politics. The fluffy idea of great satans and such other stuff belongs in fairytales; if you approach politics from a religious viewpoint like the Arabs do, you will get responses that will seem explanable only by religion rather than logic. The simple reason being that those you joust with do not see things through your religious eyes.
That religious viewpoint will see you scrambling to mould and stretch events to suit your predefined good and evil principalities, almost like a brainwash. Its an unwise and scary place to be.
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by Beaf: 1:14am On Nov 28, 2011
cap28:

Beaf -

Even your own govt under Obasanjo gave political asylum to this mass murderer Charles Taylor - if he was Qadaffi's protege as you so ignorantly allege why didnt Qadaffi give him asylum?

why did Obasanjo think it was a good idea to give a mass murderer asylum - does it not mean that Obasanjo was one of his supporters?

I would have thought you would have ready answers to that. Nigeria handed the murderer to the ICC, his assylum was part of a cunning package to rid West Africa of the murderous influence of Gaddafi and bring peace to Liberia.

Job done.
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by igbo2011(m): 1:16am On Nov 28, 2011
Beaf:

I do not see how anybody can take on an almost theoligical point of view of World politics. The fluffy idea of great satans and such other stuff belongs in fairytales; if you approach politics from a religious viewpoint like the Arabs do, you will get responses that will seem explanable only by religion rather than logic. The simple reason being that those you joust with do not see things through your religious eyes.
That religious viewpoint will see you scrambling to mould and stretch events to suit your predefined good and evil principalities, almost like a brainwash. Its an unwise and scary place to be.

What about Israel? Palestine is their "Chosen Land" right?
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by redjasper1: 3:59am On Nov 28, 2011
cap28:

where is your proof that Qadaffi gave Campaore the green light to assassinate Thomas Sankara ?

ASSASSINATION OF THOMAS SANKARA by Silvestro Montanaro
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5An5I9lr9OQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs_7wtf9B-w&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

General Momo Jiba

MOMO : They all met in Mauritania for a whole day … after a while they were joined by a white man from Paris. The discussions carried on, and then there was another meeting in Libya, where the Sankara problem was discussed some more. What emerged was that if we were to use Burkina Faso as a launching pad, Sankara had to be eliminated. Blaise Compaoré, would become president, and he would help us…

SILVESTRO : And was Gaddafi okay with the plan ?

MOMO : Yes, yes … please remember, this must all remain confidential.

SILVESTRO : Yes, yes…

MOMO : If Gaddafi helped Taylor, and France sent word that they were in support of the coup d’état … better yet, if France provided funds and indicated that they would recognise Compaoré’s government, then all was well. Blaise told Guengere, the current Burkinabe army chief to avail a group of commandos, Taylor provided other troops, and the coup was staged.

http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/58463



At the very least here we see Gaddafi being involved in the death of one of the most inspiring, promising young leaders Africa has ever seen.
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by Beaf: 4:43am On Nov 28, 2011
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Thanks for that, bruv. I expect Crap 28 to avoid the matter and go on another id!otic ramble, dramatically dropping random names like CIA, MOSSAD etc in grand style, but backed by stack emptiness.

There is also the evidence from the Hague I posted earlier.
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by Beaf: 4:48am On Nov 28, 2011
igbo2011:

What about Israel? Palestine is their "Chosen Land" right?

That question really does not weigh in on either side of the question about wether Gaddafi was evil or not. It is diversionary.
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by cap28: 1:59pm On Nov 28, 2011
red jasper here is an excerpt from your pambazuka article:



SILVESTRO: Do you think that people should be worried if Taylor tells ‘the truth’? Should important people?

LADY: Yes, absolutely. I am sure of it…

SILVESTRO: Very important people?

LADY: For sure. There is a part of this story that has remained hidden, even from me. I am certain that he still holds secrets. How did he leave the US? What deal did he make with Ghaddafi in order to train in Libya? Who were his friends, and what information did they give him?

MOMO: He had lots of friends in the US…

SILVESTRO: Important people?

MOMO. Yes, certainly, business people.

SILVESTRO: Can you give me any names?

MOMO: Ah, no. I cannot divulge their names. I am not a fool… He had friends in diplomatic circles, who have gone underground, but I know who they are, and that they would not be happy if I spoke out. Taylor did not drop out of the sky just like that. From prison to Liberia. It is them who sent him to Liberia, and they are very aware of this fact!


please refer to my above post in which i asked Beaf the very same question but up till now have not received any coherent response from him.
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by cap28: 2:01pm On Nov 28, 2011
and again more evidence to show that mass murderer Charles Taylor was aided, abetted and financed by the US govt:


NARRATOR: This gentleman, also considered a war criminal by the UN, was Taylor’s aide-de-camp. Today, General Momo Jiba – one of those who know the real story – gives us a glimpse of the goings-on during the reign of Charles Taylor.

SILVESTRO: Who sent him here?

MOMO: Those who sent him know themselves. The big hand. They know everything. He did not come here alone. Taylor was in prison in the US … and all of a sudden, he was in Monrovia. How did he get out of a US prison? How was he able to escape?

SILVESTRO: The CIA?

MOMO: Eh heh,  I cannot say it … a big hand, The Big Hand.


HISTORIAN: What happened in the US with Charles Taylor is quite a remarkable story.

NARRATOR: Liberia’s current minister of posts and telecommunications, Marcus Dahn, is also one the country’s pre-eminent historians. He also suspects a third force behind Taylor’s escape.

HISTORIAN: Taylor fled Liberia after President Doe accused him of stealing millions of dollars from state coffers. He was arrested and was due for extradition to Liberia. It is noteworthy that Taylor’s lawyer, Ramsey, one of the best in the country, was attorney general under Jimmy Carter. Taylor was incarcerated at a federal prison in Massachusetts, one of the most secure. It seems to me especially difficult to escape from a federal prison…
Taylor managed to escape, to come back here and launch a revolution to depose Samuel Doe.

BLEAH: It is impossible to escape form such a facility without someone’s assistance. Taylor was not a little bird. Neither was he God, or a spirit.


NARRATOR: Mose Bleah was Taylor’s vice-president, and one of his top aides. When Taylor fled, he became president for a period of a few months.

BLEAH: [b]Many people, including some who currently occupy important posts in the government, helped us. Even our current president admitted to having assisted Taylor, and having given him financial assistance at the time.

SILVESTRO: But it was mostly the Americans…

BLEAH: Certainly … yes…

SILVESTRO: In what way?

BLEAH: How can I explain this to you… Our godfather – since some of us Liberians consider ourselves a province of the US – helped us. The US consented to Taylor becoming president.

ALLEN: You must understand that the leaders of the NPFL [National Patriotic Front of Liberia] chose Taylor. The leadership of the NPFL included the likes of Mrs Ellen Sirleaf, the current president.

NARRATOR: Cyril Allen was a leading figure in Taylor’s party, former head of the National Petroleum corporation and is now one of the top names on the UN’s blacklist.

ALLEN: They were seeking help in toppling Samuel Doe. So the Americans asked whom they had chosen to lead their revolution. Their response was immediate and unequivocal; we have a Liberian who has a bone to pick with Samuel Doe. This man has a brilliant military mind, he is intelligent and courageous… Unfortunately, he is in one of your prisons. We ask that you to let him go so he can lead the revolution. They complied, and there Taylor was…

SILVESTRO: They agreed?

ALLEN: Of course, they made it possible for Taylor to escape.

MINISTER DOE: You need to find out from the State Department, from the highest levels of the CIA, the FBI, and the political establishment … they know what happened. Listen, I never want find myself in the American prison system. It is practically impossible to escape. Incredibly, Taylor managed to escape. Who was Taylor’s lawyer? Ramsey Clark, former US attorney general and one of the most powerful men in the world. Taylor escapes from prison in Boston and the next thing we know, Taylor is in Africa. When Taylor got here, he had a sack-load of money. We enquired into the origins of the initial US$25,000. I had all this information on my computer, but unknown individuals destroyed it. Luckily, a friend of mine kept copies. One of the signatures on the document was that of the current president, and the other was, well, an American.[/b]

So there you have it Taylor was backed to the hilt by the US govt and then allowed to do his military training in one of Qadaffi's training camps despite the fact that Libya and the US govt were sworn enemies.
Re: Libya And Imperialism: How Libya Almost Smashed Western Hegemony In Africa by cap28: 2:11pm On Nov 28, 2011
[b]SILVESTRO:But after that, he was in Libya planning the war against Doe. Libya was an enemy of the US.

LADY: I believe that Taylor was nothing but a pawn in this game. The US was against Libya, but at the same time was eager to overthrow Doe. It is for this reason that they needed an ally, and authorised Taylor going to Libya for training to fight these people. Even before he triumphed and became president, he was in constant contact with the US. He was part of a scheme to topple Doe. He needed to be clear with his priorities: the Liberian question, his orientations vis-à-vis the US, the natural resources at stake, especially petroleum, from which the US would benefit. Liberia was a strategic target, and for this reason, more important than the Libyan question.

NARRATOR: As General Momo states, Taylor was at this point working for the CIA, spying on Gaddafi and infiltrating African liberation movements that were training in Libya.

MOMO: It was a CIA operation.

SILVESTRO: The fact of the matter is that Taylor was working for the CIA, and had been sent expressly to infiltrate African liberation movements that were training in Libya.[/b]

MOMO: Those are the facts.

SILVESTRO: Are you sure about that?

MOMO: Absolutely. I was working with him, and we spoke about these issues. I am not in the habit of lying.

SILVESTRO: And how did Taylor go about spying on Gaddafi for the CIA?

MOMO: One … a key area was Burkina Faso.


And we can also see from the above testimony that Charles TAylor was spying on Qadaffi for the americans  - this is the reason the americans allowed him to train in one of Qadaffi's training camps.

The americans used Taylor and the French used Campaore both were pawns for the europeans and americans and both were used to eliminate Sankara  in addition Taylor was paid to spy on Qadaffi and all other african liberation movements and feed back the information to washington.

can Beaf please explain to me how this makes Qadaffi culpable of Sankara's assassination?

I think it should be obvious to even someone as dim witted as Beaf that Charles Taylor was a creation of the US intelligence services  - this is why the US put a $2m dollar bounty on his head when he was a guest of the nigerian govt in calabar -  he knows too much -this is the reason why he is in the Kangaroo Court aka the hague - yes he is a psychopathic murderer but he is a psychopathic murderer who was moulded, financed, trained and assisted with the help of the US govt and as soon as he had served his purpose the US promptly financed and armed two other rebel groups to overthrow him. 

HE KNOWS TOO MUCH!!!!

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