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|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by proudly9ja(m): 10:15pm On Jul 04, 2012|
Maybe this will reduce the youtube videos we get from 'you know who'.
@debo, I don't think we should see this as over though.
From what I can see, RVP 'bluffed' and the board called his bluff. If a player has decided to leave, why did he say talks are still ongoing? I read the post on arsenal.com before reading RVP's post and I was surprsied arsenal.com issued a statement of that magnitude so quick. Here was RVP saying 'talks are still ongoing and if anything changes, I will update you' and then the club goes online to say 'we respect his wish and believe he will honour his contract'. I still think there's more coming.
Or maybe Im just finding it hard to let him go
do you know that vico guy as in people dey listen to him songs or are you vico??
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by v3: 11:12pm On Jul 04, 2012|
I keep wishing this is some late april fool joke but it ain't
All the best RvP and break a leg,will ya?
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by edoyad(m): 11:35pm On Jul 04, 2012|
No be Arsenal? I don't want to sound like a broken record but I really do think the worst let go we ever did was David Dein. Some thing is going on behind the scenes, almost like the Players see the team's Management like Vampires.
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by dayokanu(m): 2:45am On Jul 05, 2012|
You mean you dont know vic o? See the number of views he has on those youtube video
To celebrate van persies liberation from trophylessness enjoy this track
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by 1025: 5:57am On Jul 05, 2012|
The Netherlands international has informed fans through his official website that he will not sign a new deal at the Emirates Stadium due to disagreements over the club's direction
the direction of the club is to keep posting profits without caring about how the players feel without medals. well, i do hope FA will allow arsenal to always play 12 players so that the two replacements for RVP will be lined up in every match.
any team that keeps selling its captain every year is not ambitious.
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by Specialist900(m): 7:07am On Jul 05, 2012|
are we going to always end up this way at the end of each season
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by proudly9ja(m): 7:20am On Jul 05, 2012|
RVP's full letter:
"As announced earlier this year I had a meeting with the Boss and Mr. Gazidis after the season.
"This was a meeting about the club's future strategy and their policy. Financial terms or a contract have not been discussed, since that is not my priority at all.
"I personally have had a great season but my goal has been to win trophies with the team and to bring the club back to its glory days.
"Out of my huge respect for Mr. Wenger, the players and the fans I don't want to go into any details, but unfortunately in this meeting it has again become clear to me that we in many aspects disagree on the way Arsenal FC should move forward.
"I've thought long and hard about it, but I have decided not to extend my contract.
"You guys, the fans, have of course the right to disagree with my view and decision and I will always respect your opinions.
"I love the club and the fans, no matter what happens. I have grown up and became a man during my time with Arsenal FC.
"Everybody at the club and the fans have always supported me over the years and I have always given my all (and more) on and off the pitch.
"I am very proud of being part of this fantastic club for the last 8 years. As soon as Mr. Gazidis is back from his 2-week holiday in America further meetings will follow and I will update you if and when there are more developments."
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by dabrake(m): 1:50pm On Jul 05, 2012|
If you think staying with us has no meaning any more,
Then just go
If all your yesterdays words had no content,
Then just go
If you think time is passing you by
the words of the manager don’t mean anything any more
The values of how the club is ran
If it doesn’t touch or appeal you any more
Then just go
If you think you have a better future ahead,
Then just go
If you think the grass is greener somewhere else,
Then just go
It was wonderful time
That is why it hurts that much
And if you dream of other teams
if our money isn’t enough any more
Then just go
If you think you are too good fur us,
Then just go
But then don’t talk about loving our club,
Then just go
You cant have it both ways
You cant say you love us
And then go out and leave us
If the love for our club is over
Then just go
When you say you love the club
When you say you love the fans
Don’t you think that we don’t know
that these words are just empty and hollow
Because us the fans will do the loyal job,
You, you just Go
It is us supporters that really love the club,
You, well you… just go
We will still be here
When your name is a long lost memory
Players come and you, you just go
But us Gooners, we will stay.
We, real Gooners, WE JUST WILL NOT GO
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by dabrake(m): 3:44pm On Jul 05, 2012|
in as much as I'm sad, i just had to laugh
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by 1025: 4:13pm On Jul 05, 2012|
in as much as I'm sad, i just had to laugh
it is too early to be sad. this season, u go sad till u become sadist. the good news is, we are still accepting fans at chelsea. if you want to be happy, make the right choice. do you like trophies? i mean fa cup, epl, ucl, world club cup, super cup etc cups? chelsea is the answer. i was discussing with emenalo last time and he said van persie want to join us but because of his age, we can only pay 7.5m. will ur club accept that?
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by dabrake(m): 4:21pm On Jul 05, 2012|
1025:so you now have mouth. keep bragging.
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by debosky(m): 5:39pm On Jul 05, 2012|
proudly9ja: Maybe this will reduce the youtube videos we get from 'you know who'.
A player that has essentially accused the club of lacking vision - especially by insulting the coach and the CEO? It's definitely over - you don't burn your bridges that way and plan to stay. Arsenal would be foolish to even allow him to return to pre-season training - sell him as soon as and let's get our season preparations underway.
RVP simply preempted any talks that will be happening - if he didn't release a statement, then there would be a chance of a discussion ending up well with him either playing out the rest of his contract or leaving amicably. You can't insult the club management and expect to remain. The only 'discussion' is who Arsenal will sell him to, and at what price.
If the club decides to play hardball, they'll say he will not leave unless they get their target fee - with Poldi and Giroud, Arsenal can afford to do that and let him rot on the bench for his last season if they choose to.
But knowing Arsenal, they won't play hardball and will eventually sell him this summer.
I have mixed feelings about his press release though - on one hand glad that we've finally seen a player who, before leaving, has the guts to say this club's ambition has declined, and on the other hand a player disrespecting the club by not making an official announcement through the club, and 'sandbagging' the club by making sure Gazidis was on holiday, which makes him look lazy and incompetent.
Either way, it leaves both Arsenal and RVP looking bad - Arsenal for having little or no ambition, and RVP for showing he has less class than many gave him credit for.
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by slimshay(m): 5:42pm On Jul 05, 2012|
I'm sure most know my view on RvP. Notwithstanding his outstanding season, I believe he owes Arsenal. And this is quite a shitty way to repay.
Thing is, it's not every fan that is beset with amnesia. Imagine the Diaby situation now, that was how bad a crock RvP was seen as. Arsene Wenger vehemently stood by him, even drawing ridicule to himself, upper season, when he said RvP's injury days are over. The tabloid called him 'senile'.
And his (RvP) answer to all that is 'I LOVE Arsenal and want our glory days back, but I will be leaving?' Then proceeds to attack the values of that same man and club.
Football is losing it's lustre. And that's why, for a while now, I have limited my involvement with it to 90mins.
But come what may, when it comes to the ARSENAL. . . . .we are by far the greateeeeessss. . . . come on, sing it with me Oh to be a gooner!
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by debosky(m): 5:52pm On Jul 05, 2012|
slimshay: I'm sure most know my view on RvP. Notwithstanding his outstanding season, I believe he owes Arsenal. And this is quite a shitty way to repay.
Na exaggeration be dat Field Marshal Slimshady - the only crock close to Diaby at Arsenal is Rosicky.
That said, I don't think RVP 'owes' us anything - not after spending 8 years at a club. I'm pretty certain he won't ever score as many goals in one season as he did with Arsenal in 11/12, and that is his 'best'. The club has failed to convince a player of his calibre to stay and that is indeed a massive failing considering what we lost last summer.
His approach is classless no doubt, but nevertheless the blame has to come back to Arsene and Arsenal. No one can look at the way we sold players last summer and believe we have the ambition to win trophies. I don't blame RVP for wanting to leave, just the manner of his departure - he has one contract left in him and wants to make the best of it.
It leaves a bad taste in the mouth, but only because the truth is bitter - deep down, most Gooners know that RVP is right and we do not genuinely have the ambition to win trophies - we just pay lip service to the idea.
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by slimshay(m): 7:41pm On Jul 05, 2012|
Debo, you will see I have carefully worded it to show 'was seen as'. Perhaps you have forgotten how certain the old phrase 'when RvP gets injured' used to be.
8years,a lot of it spent injured. That is what he owes us for. For the 8years we spent STANDING BY him against the odds. A very talented player no doubt, but finally comes to his own wihtout the injuries and he's too good for the Arsenal?!
Please can we stop selling ourselves short. Isn't it very ironic that they keep saying we need world class players or we keep losing our world class players. Errrrr, I'm still scratching my head as to how some will need something he already has while still losing it at the same time.
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by Kay-Dee: 7:47pm On Jul 05, 2012|
Another summer of "destroy and re-build the team". SMH for Wenger and Ivan
In a related development, Arsenal's Nigerian trip has been 'reluctantly' postponed; to put it bluntly, "cancelled"
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by mukina2: 7:58pm On Jul 05, 2012|
thanks for creating the thread was about to.
i just want this rvp saga to be over and we move, simple as that, player come and go but the club remains the club, only good thing is he made this known before the season starts.
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by dayokanu(m): 9:57pm On Jul 05, 2012|
Wailing and gnashing of teeth again.
Sorrow tears and Blood dem regular trade mark
No trophies, top players leave
I pity assanal fans oo
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by debosky(m): 11:54pm On Jul 05, 2012|
slimshay: Debo, you will see I have carefully worded it to show 'was seen as'. Perhaps you have forgotten how certain the old phrase 'when RvP gets injured' used to be.
I don't think that was the case - he had 'come into his own' as it were as of 2010/11, but he didn't leave then. He still stayed around and almost singlehandedly carried us through last season. We may not like the way things happened, but we can't deny what he did for us last season.
The question is WHY are we losing it? A distinct lack of ambition is clearly part of the problem.
We may want to deny it and blame it all on player greed, but the issue is more with Arsenal FC than any individual player. One or two players may be greedy, but losing four of our first team performers in the last 12 or so months? That's no coincidence, especially with at least 3 of them (Clichy, Fabregas and RVP) having spent over 6 years at the club.
We may simply have to lower our expectations for this team, or continue to vainly hope we'll get people who 'love' the club above all else.
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by 4llerbuntu(m): 6:36am On Jul 06, 2012|
now this is the part i seriously dislike about arsenal fans. classless my Bottom!
y do u people have a problem with the truth? u prefer when charlatans like alan handen, Dayokanu et al say these things because they r not gunners and u can claim its beef but when a stakeholder says them he is classless and disloyal?
reality check, please! get your heads out of your arses!
dude is leaving, deal with it. their are other clubs higher in present hierarchy who will take your players the way you take from those lower to arsenal.
loyalty you say? do u know about podolski and cologne? they made him, they picked him up again when he flopped. today nko?
i believe myself, debosky and dudu discussed this at length a few weeks back. feel free to check.
wish the man the best and move on.
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by dayokanu(m): 6:55am On Jul 06, 2012|
Wish him the best and move on? You think those loser Assanal fans would ever do that?
Didnt you guys get/buy Podolski and Giroud from the clubs that made them? So whats wrong with another club buying from Arsenal?
Ronaldo left man Utd and he is always wished well by them, Drogba is leaving Chelsea and he is always a hero even Sheva that didnt play nada still command respect in Stamford bridge.
But Arsenal fans have made it a point to fight with departed players Adebayor, Flamini, Ashley Cole, Clichy, Nasri etc.
No wonder y'all never win
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by 4llerbuntu(m): 7:27am On Jul 06, 2012|
seriously, i also truly do not get.
even slimshay who should know better is coming out with lines like van persie owes arsenal. owes arsenal what?
is this not job? was it himself who decided to stay on the payroll even when not playing?
its annoying when pple conveniently avoid the factual reality and start hankering after sentiment. are you going to say that you do not understand why wenger does things like keeping hold of pple like diaby?
let me quote what an arsenal fan said online, which about sums it up:
* The desperate bitters are out in force I see. Get it through your skulls: RVP owes Arsenal nothing. Simple equation verifies this: RVP single handedly took a rancid team to CL football. That in itself is worth £40 mil! No RVP goals, no CL footie.
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by 1025: 7:27am On Jul 06, 2012|
@nigerian arsenal fans,
pls read what Usmanov has to say. every year, u all pick a player to blame and this time it RVP. he (RVP) is not the problem of your club. Usmanov has spoken. arsenal all of a sudden has turned to destiny killers and and rvp has been patient enough. pls u guys must wish him well as we the chelsea fans are wishing our drogba.
how can a club live without investments. it is nonsense abeg.
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by 4llerbuntu(m): 7:36am On Jul 06, 2012|
To all those people that are saying that RVP is just aiming to move to Man City for the money, please shut up.
He has stated he wants to win things, who doesn't? it pains me to say this, but over the next 3-5 years Man City are 99% likely to win at least an FA Cup, a Premier League or a Champions League. Probably a few of them. Let me just remind everyone who seems to have forgotten, but they are the current league champions.
Even with RVP on top form last year, Arsenal never really looked like winning anything. So, when a player has a dodgy injury record (as everyone is so keen to point out), don't you think it's a smart move for him to go somewhere where he is likely to win a couple of things in the next 2 years before he gets completely knackered and ruined?
Yes, he may get paid a million pounds a month, and you might hate him for it, but he's much more likely to win stuff at City than at Arsenal, so get over yourselves.
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by 4llerbuntu(m): 7:38am On Jul 06, 2012|
The concept of 'Loyalty' has been bandied about willy nilly with some thinking that RVP owes Arsenal big time for sticking with him through an admittedly injury plagued period. The only real surprise is that there was no hilarious nickname incorporating a currency symbol.
Firstly, Robin van Persie owes Arsenal nothing. It's staggering how some fans believe that paying relative peanuts for a world class talent for six years has not been fully repaid by his single handed dragging of the club to CL qualification last season, with all the financial rewards and intangible benefits (the ability to attract decent players, mainly - think you'd've signed those two strikers without it?) that this entails.
Secondly, that it is solely the responsibility of the team's one star player to win them a trophy - come off it. It is the manager's responsibility to provide him with a supporting cast capable of challenging which Wenger has resolutely failed to do. The cited examples of Cesc, Nasri and Flamini have one thing in common - each won significantly more in their first two seasons after moving than they did in their entire Arsenal careers. Anyone who still disagrees, name one example of a single world class player dragging a poor team to a trophy in the last twenty years. Just one. Thought not. (And before the whining about financial doping starts, it wasn't Abramovic's idea to pay Abou Diaby and Denilson £120k a week between them.)
Thirdly, the idea that anyone who wants to move to current Premier League champions Man City or current European Champions Chelsea is doing so only for money. This doesn't even dignify a response, it's childish, disrespectful and frankly laughable.
I genuinely like Arsenal and would rather see them winning the league over any of their rivals, but all these accusations of gold digging really grate when Arsenal can't offer Robin van Persie any more than a perpetual scrabble for 4th place and about half the salary he deserves. Have a look at your manager's stubborn refusal to provide the few world class players he unearths with any teammates of even remotely similar ability, year after year, before you point the finger at players whose only crime is the desire to win something in a short career.
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by 4llerbuntu(m): 7:39am On Jul 06, 2012|
Ask Bobby Pires, Gilberto, Ljunberg, Sol Campbell and yes even Patrick Vieira and some other massive Arsenal stalwarts about Wenger's loyalty. All players who gave their heart for the club, and without who Wenger would NOT be the icon he was today.
All players who wanted to stay at least a little while longer, and while these players may have peaked already with their powers, there was still value in having them due to their experience in key moments, and the invaluable service they would have providing in mentoring the next generation, and in the locker room (one of the main reasons we have fallen so precipitously is that unlike United we didn't have players from a previous winning generation passing on traditions and knowledge).
But these players were pushed out of the door before they wanted to go, simply for being on the wrong side of 29, they all still had on the pitch and off the pitch use.
Loyalty is not a one way street.
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by dont8(m): 7:43am On Jul 06, 2012|
And to think Arsene had faith and believed in him throughout the years he was injured and played 156 times out of 300 plus in his career in Arsenal, it's sad indeed.
Wish him best of luck wherever he chooses to play.
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by 1025: 7:50am On Jul 06, 2012|
Theo Walcott is also considering his future with Arsenal, as he enters the final year of his current deal.
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by slimshay(m): 7:57am On Jul 06, 2012|
Debosky, please note I have not refered to RvP's last season. He is no one season wonder. The time frame I have stated is 'after the injury problems'.
And what is all these one about single handedly dragging what? Please note the difference between the result of Arsenal team play and holland individual football in RvP's production.
I guess gone are the days of testimonials. Funny how that coincided with the rise of play financial power. No matter how we choose to paint it, the team we are touting their 'ambitions' are the ones who have a strategy of unlimited spending power.
And at the end of the day, while really I don't care to enter all this financial whatchamacit, can we kindly stop advising someone to run his business the way we wouldn't.
Cos quite honestly to them it's a business, to us it's a passion. I'd stick with the passion. I don order my jersey, have you?
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by HNIC(m): 10:13am On Jul 06, 2012|
As far as I am concerned, I have been expecting THIS.
After the Flamini episode, when we delayed contract negotiations. . .Arsenal have since then, tabled offers quickly enough.
Now, all that 'let's talk about it at the end of the season'is balderdash.
What i believe is that the players have already made up their mind about where they will be playing their football the next season, but out of respect and not for rumours to be making rounds, they deflect questions about signing new contracts.
The Arsenal fans,I must say, have a special relationship with their players and songs/banners about them are clever,witty and beautiful.
Even RVP admitted this...chants of 'Robin van Persie' all over the emirates...made him 'coolu' temper when he wanted to assault Tom Krul(Newcastle goalie).
Even Adebayor loved the Adebayor song(at least, it's one of the reason why he said he started underperforming)
IMO, players can come and go, I support the club and not the manager or the players,but please. . . do leave quietly and dont make crazy silly statements.
That official statement could have been crafted better than that.He ended up making too many enemies!
Like Debo said, we all thought RVP had more class than that.
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by HNIC(m): 10:20am On Jul 06, 2012|
Giroud and Podolski paid tributes to their club while departing.
|Re: Arsenal Fan Thread (Rising From the ashes like the Phoenix, Gunners march On) by proudly9ja(m): 10:50am On Jul 06, 2012|
HNIC: @4llerbuntu,Don't worry, RVP will pay tribute to Arsenal when he find a new club.
I personally don't see anything wrong in RVP's post on his website. Sounds like someone who wants to stay but circumstances are pushing him away.
He could have left 'quietly' like Clichy did or told us he has Manchester DNA . He simply spoke the mind of many Arsenal fans.
It can be frustrating when the club you play for wins nothing season in season out whilst players you are better than celebrate with medals at the end of the season.
Whichever way, like many have concluded, we will move on as a club. Hopefully, someday,this madness of losing our top player every season will end.
As an aside, for the past three or so seasons, we've lost the captain of the team to another club. Hopefully, Arsene Wenger will hand over the captain's hand band to Chamakh for the 2012/13 season (if he's still with us)
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