nateevs:

I am sorry I don't know what you are talking about.
I look at the table and I see Man City, ManU, Tottenham, Chelsea . . . . . etc
Is there something you need me to see?

debosky:

I am aslo sorry that you are now incapable of understanding the league table.

nateevs:

I am sorry I don't know what you are talking about.
I look at the table and I see Man City, ManU, Tottenham, Chelsea . . . . . etc
Is there something you need me to see?

coogar:

see what fat frank and the other oaps in chelsea have caused. . . . .debosky now has the chutzpah to say trash about chelsea.
this is a travesty - a travesty to football and the followers should arsenal finish above chelsea.

i saw this piece on guardian sports.

Lampard should follow Giggs's example

Perhaps it is down to Villas-Boas, whose man-management is also in question, to convince the players to accept a lesser role, while still retaining their seniority in the dressing room. If it's good enough for Giggs and Paul Scholes, it's good enough for Lampard.

debosky:

This!!

As for it being a travesty, the only travesty here is nateevs still posting on NL after all his rubbish talk earlier in the season.

coogar:

what is this? i will slap that onitsha head of yours?
if you were villas-boas, how would you have handled the prima-donnas at chelsea who are mostly your age mates?

the season is not over yet.
at this stage in 07/08, arsenal were 9 points ahead of chelsea and leading the table after 27 games.
i don't need to remind you where arsenal finished that season.

debosky:

Personally? I'd have massaged their egos - made them feel good and tell them to prove those naysayers that said they were finished wrong. If Fergie can continue to squeeze performances out of oldies there's no reason AVB shouldn't copy that given his 'extensive' knowledge.

Unless Chelski is going to win the title this season, nateevs rubbish comments at the beginning of the season remain a travesty! This has nothing to do with Arsenal.

dayokanu:

Which manager would stick with a striker, The main source of your goal when he can only score 2 league goals all season long

coogar:

fergie stuck with rooney after going a whole 9 months without a goal from open play!

dayokanu:

fergie was able to do that because other players were delivering

You want AVB to drop Drogba, Anelka and Lampard the team top scorers for years and Put in Torres who scored 2 all season long?

So who would be scoring when he drops the old guards?

The same players who couldnt win games vs Swansea, Norwich, Birmingham, Napoli etc?

coogar:

so you admit torres isn't the only one not delivering for villas-boas?
holy moses! dayokanu's uncanny ability to move posts is legendary.

dayokanu:

Other players have been disappointing as well among the new brigade by not putting in consistently good performance e.g Ivanovic, Luiz, Cahill etc But the difference with someone like Luiz is atimes Luiz comes up with the good

While Torres has consistently failed 2 goals all season = Pappis Demba Cisse who has played just 3 games for Newcastle.
How do you start rationalising that?

Ibime:

Leave Coogar to be rant reh reh reh. . . . against Napoli, Coogar was the only one raving that Chelsea were playing fantastic because Mata was playing no 10. I thought maybe I was going blind watching the game but thank God no one else supported his view that Chelsea were playing fantastic. Infact its one of the worst games Ive seen from Chelsea.

coogar:

luiz is the most useless defender in the premier league.
i am sure he was never a natural defender @ the start of his career - lack of opportunities forced his will to become a defender.
yes, he's good attacking-wise but defensively, he's shyte!

it simply means newcastle and alan pardew play to the strengths of pappis demba cisse.
this does not mean cisse is a better striker than torres. one thing is certain you have to play with intelligent team-mates to flourish.
unfortunately, only mata plays with a consistent level of intelligence at chelsea. torres is not the problem, the system is!

others have lost their football sense or too old to execute what's required.

dayokanu:

Luiz has a lot of bad moments in his Chelsea career but when it comes to taking the ball out of the back he is quite good at it, Something players like Pique, Jones, Hummels etc are known for. The team has also benefitted from his attacking drive more than once

Stats show that even as a defender he has scored the same number of goals as Torres in the EPL. They both came in at the same time. He was coming from outside EPL and had to acclamatize, Torres didnt have that issue.
As a footballer he has been more productive than Fernadud.

How do they play to the strenght of Cisse? Who are the players more intelligent that Mata in Newcastle?
Some days ago, didnt you say that age doesnt matter in football?

coogar:

conveniently forgetting jones, hummels and pique know 5 things more about defending and david luiz knows nothing.
see - i am all for a defender who can score goals - every one must contribute their own quota but when the primary role of a player is neglected for tertiary roles then something is definitely wrong somewhere. . . . go and look at luiz's role in that game against napoli and the one against man utd.
he was pathetic!

he has played more league minutes than torres and he often vacates his position to join issues that does not concern him

they have cabaye, ben arfa and demba ba. . . .
they have gutierrez, obertan and ryan taylor who understand wing play. . . .
unlike daniel sturridge who is the most useless team-mate any striker can dream of. . . .

dayokanu:

Luiz has been bad as a defender but he has compensated partially by scoring goals. Some defenders are like that actually most Brazilian full backs suck at defending but are rated by how much they can attack.

Fernandud Torres STRIKER mins played 1216 goals scored 2
David Luiz role DEFENDER mins played 1260 goals scored 2
Imagine a defender who spends most of the time in his own half scoring same as a striker who spends most of the time in opposition Half.

How come better players like Mata, Xavi, Iniesta, fabregas , Pedro, Villa, Lampard etc couldnt help Torres?

How come other strikers in the same Chelsea have scored more than Torres even Sturridge and Drogba have scored more goals

coogar:

luiz is not a full back. he's a centre-back.

would that have happened if torres is designated to take penalties/free-kicks?
he's £50m but his teammates treat him like he's bought for £1m. let's assume for a second cristiano ronaldo does not take penalties/freekicks for real madrid.
would he have scored as many as he has copped. goals help strikers to find their form. when the form is bad - all a striker needs is to step up and score a penalty and his confidence gets a boost. how would torres get such when you have lobotomized apes like lampard and drogba hugging the media attention all the time?

they helped his goal-tally in 2008 euros and 2006 world cup.
if you don't know something, keep quiet.

torres form became shyte when del bosque took over and the spanish side embraced 100% tiki-taka.
before then, torres benefited a lot from his spanish midfielders and he scored goals for fun.

drogba is a battler. whether he gets passes late or early, his physicality allows him to bully his markers n score.
he's a veteran, used to chelsea's style of play and he has the penalty/freekick option at all times to boost his confidence when the goal dries up. a credit facility torres does not have.

sturridge is selfish. . . .he plays as a wing forward but whenever he gets the ball on the flank, his only option is to cut in and shoot.
other players would try and deliver a cross on the head of the strikers. . . .sturridge touches the ball more than torres and it should be so.
without the delivery from the wingers and midfielders, how's torres supposed to take the ball from cech and dribble past 11 markers and score?

dayokanu:

How many penalties has David Luiz scored? Even when Lampard and Drogba dont play Mata takes the penalties maybe we should blame Mata for the Torres problems too.

In Euro 2008 he scored how many goals? two. in 6 games when his teammate Villa copped 4 in 5 games

2 goals in 6 games is scoring for fun? No wonder you think 2 league goals in a season is success.

How come when Drogba and lamps dont play Torres still dont play penalties. Maybe mata is to blame

Does Sturridge take the ball from Cech to score? Does David Luiz take the ball from Cech to score, Does Villa take the ball from Casillas to score?

debosky:

Everything changed when Torres had two knee injuries with surgery with Liverpool - he's never really recovered from that both mentally and physically.
Anything else is just blowing hot air.