Eruditor:


1. I didn't say that Curry played well in those games but that his underwhelming game didn't matter because his team did the business. If Heats had beaten Mavs in 2011 people won't have noticed Brons abscence in game 6.

2. See feet shuffling, skipping screens? They are means to an end. The end is weighed by seeing steals or blocks. So the way to tell who was doing what is to see the end product. That's why some people are constantly called out when they underestimate Curry's defending. Chances are PGs are not judged on how many blocks they get per game as it is not quotidian to see such.

3. I did not watch the MJ vs Jazz game in real time as I am not that old. LOL. But I watched it on YouTube as those games are still available. Nobody and I mean nobody has said Jordan was not the goat. The point is that one can watch a game via a blue screen and swear that every one they saw was blue in color.

The point is, the narrative concerning Jordan's greatness is sometimes skewed and overreaching. Doesn't take anything from his shine. I believe I called him the GOAT still.

When you said "they didn't need curry to be big" its a very political way of covering up for him. "He didn't play well", means "he didn't play well". And bench players stepped up. Luckily for golden state, they didn't need curry that much by 4th quarter, cos them Livingston and barbosa had done well enough to blow cavs out of the match.

I agree with you one defence being judged by end product (steals and blocks) .
Kyrie has the potentials of being a better defender. I see it in him. But only shows if in playoffs.

I still disagree with you on Jordan. His greatness cannot over exaggerated well enough. I noticed you are so much into stats. Hence you downplayed his greatness and mocked him by saying "If some of us don't have present evidence to buttress some of these points, you'd have changed the whole narrative to tell us Jordan never missed a shot. Even that "flu game" people keep talking about has been disproved. Jordan was hung over. But that's talk for another day. "

Those were your words above. No matter how much you later tried to flatter him by adding "he is still the goat" , you had already blasphemed.

Bro, whatever happened to Jordan whether flu, hangover or poison, he was deadsick.

The world stood still for Jordan on that day. And believe me, that wasn't even one of my best Jordan moments.

A40:

I don't really know about that but back then no one really cared about 3pt shooting. I thought you were talking about FG percentages

Jordan wasnt really a good shooter both on high 2's and 3's in his early years. He didn't even have the fade aways until his 2nd coming. If you see Jordan averaging above 40% field goals, most of them were out of slams, layups, reverses and all that.

People had started shooting a bit more from midvyears of Jordan. We had bird, mack price, john Paxton of the bulls. No one really took efficiency and shot percentages seriously as much as we do now. If Jordan knew those thing have counted against him, he would have been more selective with his shots. The man was the best or earned to be the best at everything that really mattered.

To me. He's the next big thing after Jesus that came to earth.

Just coming across this thread now, lots of people really know their stuff. Had no clue that this kind of thread existed. A big laker fan but am not excepting much from our young core this upcoming season, but things are looking up. Happy for lebron that he finally brought a championship to the city of clevland,watching with keen interest where KD ends up.

LoJ:

If the Knicks manage to stabilize his health then they bring Kevin Durant, they are definitely in the conference finals against the Cavs. Melo has always been my crush since I fell in love with Basketball. When He was drafted (Number 4 I think) I did not even pay attention to Lebron then (though he was first pick). Carmelo is so talented. He lacks some charisma and discipline nonetheless.

With Durant, a healthy Derrick Rose, Melo, and Porginzis (if he confirms the good expectations he raised last season) the Knicks would be a serious candidate in the East, and Durant would have greater chance than if he stays in OKC without Ibaka.

melo is a good player o. On offence, hes known to be a prolific scorer with variety of some crazy offence moves. Just that his defence is zero, dnt know who has the worst defensr btw him and harden.

But if they dont sign durant, their nxt playoffs isnt guaranteed, I know that for sure

nairamaniac:
The biggest mistake cavs made last season was increasing loves salary to such outrageous amounts. Love is good, but was a big fish in a small bowl in wolves. Cousins is top2 best center in the NBA. Kings wd never give out cousins for Love. I think we should go for more perimeter players rather than bigs, like what OKC did by adding oladipo.

I still believe Lue should either up grade or be changed. He didn't run enough plays for cavs. Individual brilliance won cavs the series against golden state.

Last season performance was so great from k.love in regular season, I wished he never had any injury and he played all the p/offs games and I also wished he was exposed then. He wouldnt hve gotten that huge $$$.

Victor oladipo tho, dont know if I shld call him the next dwayne wade or kyle korver, well maybe getting a player like that wld be better

Curry drains 3s on 7footers don't wait for next season to confirm this. Don't waste time.. Y'all can continue your conversation.. @Nairamaniac

lolawilliams:


Last season performance was so great from k.love in regular season, I wished he never had any injury and he played all the p/offs games and I also wished he was exposed then. He wouldnt hve gotten that huge $$$.

Victor oladipo tho, dont know if I shld call him the next dwayne wade or kyle korver, well maybe getting a player like that wld be better

why Korver or D Wade?? Cos that guy relies too much on his athletism but he's working on his shooting.

lolawilliams:


Last season performance was so great from k.love in regular season, I wished he never had any injury and he played all the p/offs games and I also wished he was exposed then. He wouldnt hve gotten that huge $$$.

Victor oladipo tho, dont know if I shld call him the next dwayne wade or kyle korver, well maybe getting a player like that wld be better

why don't you like K. love?
being the third is wheel is no joke o.
if anything that his last defence on curry should've endeared him to you.

I expect him to be traded,but I won't be surprise if he stayed.

nairamaniac
Jordan career average FG na like 50%.
his midrange game is deadly.

nairamaniac:

When you said "they didn't need curry to be big" its a very political way of covering up for him. "He didn't play well", means "he didn't play well". And bench players stepped up. Luckily for golden state, they didn't need curry that much by 4th quarter, cos them Livingston and barbosa had done well enough to blow cavs out of the match.

I agree with you one defence being judged by end product (steals and blocks) .
Kyrie has the potentials of being a better defender. I see it in him. But only shows if in playoffs.

I still disagree with you on Jordan. His greatness cannot over exaggerated well enough. I noticed you are so much into stats. Hence you downplayed his greatness and mocked him by saying "If some of us don't have present evidence to buttress some of these points, you'd have changed the whole narrative to tell us Jordan never missed a shot. Even that "flu game" people keep talking about has been disproved. Jordan was hung over. But that's talk for another day. "

Those were your words above. No matter how much you later tried to flatter him by adding "he is still the goat" , you had already blasphemed.

Bro, whatever happened to Jordan whether flu, hangover or poison, he was deadsick.

The world stood still for Jordan on that day. And believe me, that wasn't even one of my best Jordan moments.

There is no political covering. If GSW had won game 7 Curry's no show would've been inconsequential. There's no quibbling over this. A player is needed when his team would have lost the game otherwise. That's why albeit Lebron had 25pts in game 4 he was still mocked and censured online for having a bad game. And that's what it means to be the MOST VALUABLE player for your team. So saying Curry didn't play well in a game where his team won by 33pts is farcical. He played well in game 6 but his team still lost.

Since you say I am dependent on stats then I'd extend the same courtesy to you and say you have a penchant for constantly changing the narrative. Now Kyrie's numbers on 3s, FGs dipped, so the narrative has changed to him being the better defender in future. Well, he didn't steal the ball more than Curry, he didn't block more etc. So I have to assume that your assertion is only a hunch. And you know that hunches are bad for the back! LOL

Muhammad Ali KOed Liston in their rematch but many pundits till date say that fight was staged. There is sufficient evidence in any direction to make a case but Ali's GOAT status is not in question. Russian Astronauts till date still believe that E.Aldrin and N. Armstrong only acted like they landed on the moon in 1969. Listening to both sides make arguments to and fro, one can be swayed whichever way. The one that is not in question is USAs standing as the major powerhouse wrt space travels. In the same vein, the ability to decide what blasphemes Jordan or not is not arrogated to you or anyone else for that matter. So I can say the "flu thing" was a ruse and still believe him to be the greatest (I'd put a period here)

SmooshCHN:
why Korver or D Wade?? Cos that guy relies too much on his athletism but he's working on his shooting.

I think Wade was also relying on athletism until his knee betrayed him,and i think oladipo has an understanding of when to use his crazy athletism and when to step down, though oladipo isnt in the same category with wade and korver, but the comparism is getting abit easier to make. okc landed themselve a good trade, tbh i'll also trade ibaka for oladipo tbh

SIRcumalot:

why don't you like K. love?
being the third is wheel is no joke o.
if anything that his last defence on curry should've endeared him to you.

I expect him to be traded,but I won't be surprised if he stayed.

Love wasnt the best player on the floor in Game7, but he did what we all expected and he did it well, but i believe it was cause its a Game7, that was why he turned up so much.

I still don't believe in that guy, but i know cavs won't trade him, but just as nairamaniac said, maybe we shld go for perimeter players rather than the bigs

SIRcumalot:
nairamaniac
Jordan career average FG na like 50%.
his midrange game is deadly.

don't be deceived, all those high field goal percentages you see where made of dunks, layups, finger rolls, reverses and not pull up jumpers and threes. Just same way someone would see high percentage on lebron's CV and say he had high percentage.

Jordan developed the fade away (consistently) in his second coming.

Hakeem had been doing the FADE AWAYS and DREAM SHAKES much earlier than jordan.

Not withstanding, Jordan didn't need that long distance range, cos he could jump towards the rim from anywhere and wait for everyone else to land before he releases his shot, layup or dunk.

HE DEFIED GRAVITY.

nairamaniac:
don't be deceived, all those high field goal percentages you see where made of dunks, layups, finger rolls, reverses and not pull up jumpers and threes. Just same way someone would see high percentage on lebron's CV and say he had high percentage.

Jordan developed the fade away (consistently) in his second coming.

Hakeem had been doing the FADE AWAYS and DREAM SHAKES much earlier than jordan.

Not withstanding, Jordan didn't need that long distance range, cos he could jump towards the rim from anywhere and wait for everyone else to land before he releases his shot, layup or dunk.

HE DEFIED GRAVITY.

in a way I think we're saying the same thing
when he couldn't jump over everybody again (2nd coming) he raised his mid-range and post game below is a screen shot of the 97 final game Jordan shot chart.

lolawilliams:


Love wasnt the best player on the floor in Game7, but he did what we all expected and he did it well, but i believe it was cause its a Game7, that was why he turned up so much.

I still don't believe in that guy, but i know cavs won't trade him, but just as nairamaniac said, maybe we shld go for perimeter players rather than the bigs

But so was the league MVP(i couldn't resist ).
I think he looks so bad against the warriors because they are one of the few teams that could make him look very foolish.
They did the same to kanter too.

I coulda swear he wanted the cavs to chase whiteside and DJ.

J.Rsmith and delly are going to be F.A should the front office let them walk?

Eruditor:


There is no political covering. If GSW had won game 7 Curry's no show would've been inconsequential. There's no quibbling over this. A player is needed when his team would have lost the game otherwise. That's why albeit Lebron had 25pts in game 4 he was still mocked and censured online for having a bad game. And that's what it means to be the MOST VALUABLE player for your team. So saying Curry didn't play well in a game where his team won by 33pts is farcical. He played well in game 6 but his team still lost.

Since you say I am dependent on stats then I'd extend the same courtesy to you and say you have a penchant for constantly changing the narrative. Now Kyrie's numbers on 3s, FGs dipped, so the narrative has changed to him being the better defender in future. Well, he didn't steal the ball more than Curry, he didn't block more etc. So I have to assume that your assertion is only a hunch. And you know that hunches are bad for the back! LOL

Muhammad Ali KOed Liston in their rematch but many pundits till date say that fight was staged. There is sufficient evidence in any direction to make a case but Ali's GOAT status is not in question. Russian Astronauts till date still believe that E.Aldrin and N. Armstrong only acted like they landed on the moon in 1969. Listening to both sides make arguments to and fro, one can be swayed whichever way. The one that is not in question is USAs standing as the major powerhouse wrt space travels. In the same vein, the ability to decide what blasphemes Jordan or not is not arrogated to you or anyone else for that matter. So I can say the "flu thing" was a ruse and still believe him to be the greatest (I'd put a period here)

I had good reasons to suspect you of covering up for curry in a political way. We both may have had different assessment on what took place. But I saw it more as him not hitting good form from early enuf than "them not needing him to be big".

Talking bout game 4, habaa I also think Lebron didn't play well upon having 25points. He had some clumsy turnovers in that game. About 8 or there about.

Well, like you said and I agree with you the end product of defence shd be steals and blocks. I only said I see kyrie being a better defender, cos i saw him looking better in it against curry one on one. In terms of marking and commitment. At times steals-stats can be misleading to give an impression of someone being the better defender.

Hope you know curry led the NBA in steals last season but he is not as defensive as klay or Green. Green was runner up defensive player of the year last season, but I don't think he was first-3 on either assist or steals.

In this, I may also be quite sentimental towards kyrie. But the again I'm only projecting. For now, curry is way ahead of him, but I don't see the gap remaining this wide within the next two seasons.

Assessing your last paragraph, I cant really say much on the space-issue. Iv not had enough of the earth yet and can't be thinking of whatever happened on the moon or in space.

Ali was the greatest boxer but Tyson at his prime was the greatest-killer.
I wdnt say more bout this, so I dont derail this lovely thread. Which I'm glad you all have made this beautiful( especially you) .

But I would tell you again like I did before, you kind of blasphemed. And if my vocabulary serves me write, "a ruse" means "a trick" or "deceit".
Its a ridiculous-innuendo from you against Jordan.

I'm sure somewhere in your mind, you may say Jordan pretended to be sick or hungover in order to reaffirm his legacy and set that day aside as a myth.

Just so you know, Jordan had no idea that eruditor and nairamaniac would argue about that day on nairaland almost 20years later (LOL).

I have been saying this for a while now.... I actually think this would work out for him if it happens... Na he fits in just right.

But dnt knw if Clippers can afford him and keep all four

Mizzzbeee:
I have been saying this for a while now.... I actually think this would work out for him if it happens... Na he fits in just right.

But dnt knw if Clippers can afford him and keep all four

They can't.. They'll even have to trade Jamal Crawford..

Am I the only one tired of this KD issue?? We should just go for Nicolas Batum which will be far better for both Fans and Opponents. Cos now Barnes wants to return so badly and Warriors are even considering taking him if KD doesn't accept.

lolawilliams:


Last season performance was so great from k.love in regular season, I wished he never had any injury and he played all the p/offs games and I also wished he was exposed then. He wouldnt hve gotten that huge $$$.

Victor oladipo tho, dont know if I shld call him the next dwayne wade or kyle korver, well maybe getting a player like that wld be better

exaaaactly! I wished he was exposed also. But what I really wished was for cavs to have had patience that very last season instead of hitting love with such a high contract to afffect the salary-cap. If teams like OKC, miami and golden states gets one more player to add to what they have already, they may have better starting five's than Cavs. Golden state has the cap space to get a BIG4 so easily, especially if they trade Barnse or 2 players from the bench.

Cavs need a specialist shooter at the perimeter. Someone like j.j redick from Clips would be beautiful.

SIRcumalot:

mehn,these guys just won you your first title all front office moves are ultimately right.
you must live in the now cant be dreaming about the future

hahahaha. Your post made me feel greedy/ungrateful. But thing is 1 title isn't really convincing. Especially when a Player of Lebron's calibre is involved.

Anything less than another title for cavs within the next 2 seasons would be dissapointing, especially considering they are likely to get to the finals for next two seasons.

I'm not one of those to define a players career by rings, cos its a team sport, lebron's resume wouldn't look nice as "3-6".

SmooshCHN:
Curry drains 3s on 7footers don't wait for next season to confirm this. Don't waste time.. Y'all can continue your conversation.. @Nairamaniac

I think you are right. But he was more figured out in the PLAYOFFS. The big players bought most of the screens that caused them to find themselves marking curry at the perimeter. They were more eager in going closer to him rather than hesitating or looking for their original-offender.

Curry's 3s kind of dipped due to this. It made him rather best them with some bad asss handles for 2's instead or miss more than he did during the regular season.

nairamaniac:
I think you are right. But he was more figured out in the regular season. The big players bought most of the screens that caused them to find themselves marking curry at the perimeter. They were more eager in going closer to him rather than hesitating or looking for their original-offender.

Curry's 3s kind of dipped due to this. It made him rather best them with some bad asss handles for 2's instead or miss more than he did during the regular season.

just one question Sir, did you watch the regular season? If Yes, can you pls classify in what percentage

A40:

I'm just happy he won a ring after the 06 debacle. I would cheer for whichever team he chooses to join. For me he is top 2 all-time at his position. With a little more help he would have won even more rings

if you place dirk at top2 at his position, where would you place KARL MALONE?

Karl marlone (the Mailman) was really that good. Was just unfortunate to have existed in the Jordan-Era. If he had won rings, WD have been head to head with Tim Duncan, who is clearly the best power forward ever.

Well, my opinion though.

Mizzzbeee:
just one question Sir, did you watch the regular season? If Yes, can you pls classify in what percentage

"in the playoffs" I meant to say. Iv edited my post. Curry was a beast in the regular season and had my vote for MVP.

nairamaniac:
hahahaha. Your post made me feel greedy/ungrateful. But thing is 1 title isn't really convincing. Especially when a Player of Lebron's calibre is involved.

Anything less than another title for cavs within the next 2 seasons would be dissapointing, especially considering they are likely to get to the finals for next two seasons.

I'm not one of those to define a players career by rings, cos its a team sport, lebron's resume wouldn't look nice as "3-6".

you shouldn't be one of those people that only count final appearance as a knock on bron.
we only remember 6-0,not the times Jordan got knocked out or couldn't make the post season.
I would like him to win more but if he never wins again(knock on wood) it wouldn't be bad his achievements is similar to bird's who most people place in their top 5.


you know for all the sheet we're giving curry he still broke the record number of threes in a 7 games final.

SIRcumalot:

you shouldn't be one of those people that only count final appearance as a knock on bron.
we only remember 6-0,not the times Jordan got knocked out or couldn't make the post season.
I would like him to win more but if he never wins again(knock on wood) it wouldn't be bad his achievements is similar to bird's who most people place in their top 5.


you know for all the sheet we're giving curry he still broke the record number of threes in a 7 games final.

U nailed it. Perfectly agree with you. To me, lebron making that many finals in his career is applaudable.

Its been harder for teams to repeat or 3peat for past 2decades than it was in the 80's and 90's.

Just that a dynasty is expected from a title winning team when they are of a you'd age. No one really expected dynasties from pistons 04, macs 2011 and Celtics 2008. Those teams had some old starters within them that were already on the decline.

Lebron is the oldest starter in the cavs. Just 31. I really don't see why they shouldn't add more at least 1 more title not just for lebron's legacy but for the legacy of this era of the team. So this singular title would look like a fluke One day.

Why curry is getting so much sheet for the finals its cause he didn't do it that well for the worriors in the finals. His 3point shooting percentage dipped as the finals progressed. Especially the last 3games of the finals.

The worriors lived by the 3 and small ball and also die by the 3 and small ball.

When ever they switched to small ball, they lost rebounding strength to the opposing teams.

nairamaniac:
exaaaactly! I wished he was exposed also. But what I really wished was for cavs to have had patience that very last season instead of hitting love with such a high contract to afffect the salary-cap. If teams like OKC, miami and golden states gets one more player to add to what they have already, they may have better starting five's than Cavs. Golden state has the cap space to get a BIG4 so easily, especially if they trade Barnse or 2 players from the bench.

Cavs need a specialist shooter at the perimeter. Someone like j.j redick from Clips would be beautiful.

Bro, Mozgov has gone to lakers, looks like cavs wld be going for another center than perimeter player, or what do u think?

lolawilliams:


Bro, Mozgov has gone to lakers, looks like cavs wld be going for another center than perimeter player, or what do u think?

Hi? This doesn't necessarily mean they would go for a center. Mosgov has been expendable for past 12months. Even if they do go for a center, I doubt the cavs would get a center to join the team at starting position. They are very much OK with Tristan, even though 6-9 playing center. And Lebron assisting him in the forward positions.

A specialist/spot-up shooter would be a good deal. The cavs dont really have that. J.r smith can't do that consistently well enough for the cavs.

Get me reddick or bradley beal or the likes should be a good deal, even if it cost us shupert or JR.

SIRcumalot:

in a way I think we're saying the same thing
when he couldn't jump over everybody again (2nd coming) he raised his mid-range and post game below is a screen shot of the 97 final game Jordan shot chart.

Perfectly agree with you.

Mehn the trades news are getting sweeter

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2016-nba-free-agency-buzz-latest-news-live-blog-rumors-trades-analysis/

Don't tell me Warriors ain't aware BATUM is FREE

Mavs are also in the race for him

Sources say KD is 90% going to re-sign

Mizzzbeee:
Don't tell me Warriors ain't aware BATUM is FREE
Sources say KD is 90% going to re-sign

He's gone 5yrs/$120M for Hornets.. KD for sure isn't coming maybe 20%.. And we're left to match whatever Harrison Barnes request.. Someone who isn't even worth Max for what he does.