Civil war, Boko Haram, genocide, division, confusing Democracy, natural resource plundering, crippling World Bank and International Monetary Fund  policies, puppet presidents, you name it!

Cap is going to like this thread. It will be a meeting place for proponents of victimhood

Resource rich countries are meant to be one the richest in the world like Australia ,but not Africa

olas2u:

Resource rich countries are meant to be one the richest in the world like Australia ,but not Africa

What resources does Australia have? Also, they are allies with the west.

paniki:

Cap is going to like this thread. It will be a meeting place for proponents of victimhood

He is not doing victim hood, he is observing what is happening. THey have been doing this for 500 years and don't plan to stop until somebody stops them. He is a very smart and open minded man. He isn't close minded like most Nigerians. They think the white people are trying to make their lives better. WHat have they done in 500 years?

panafrican:


Civil war, Boko Haram, genocide, division, confusing Democracy, natural resource plundering, crippling World Bank and International Monetary Fund  policies, puppet presidents, you name it!

^^This is what they have done. This is totally right. You forgot to mention assassination of great leaders.

Australia, like the USA, China, Brazil is one country with one central govt controlling all resources and policy, while Africa was divided into 57 countries, each doing their own thing, to serve western interests. For Africa to become like Australia, Africa will need to centralise control of all its resources. In short, Africa needs to UNITE, economically AND politically. You cannot have a resource rich land mass divided into 57 countries. It makes them open to exploitation and manipulation by greedy foreigners. Can you imagine a tiny resourceless island like the UK imposing economic sanctions on Zimbabwe, a country rich in diamonds, gold, iron ore, copper, and myriad agricultural resources?

Shouldn't it be the other way round?

This can happen because Africa is not united with a single powerful central govt, but is divided into tiny 'countries' that are not powerful enough on their own to resist the world powers' machinations.

So you think they want you to unite,African union mettings have observers .

Rossikk:

Australia, like the USA, China, Brazil is one country with one central govt controlling all resources and policy, while Africa was divided into 57 countries, each doing their own thing, to serve western interests. For Africa to become like Australia, Africa will need to centralise control of all its resources. In short, Africa needs to UNITE, economically AND politically. You cannot have a resource rich land mass divided into 57 countries. It makes them open to exploitation and manipulation by greedy foreigners. Can you imagine a tiny resourceless island like the UK imposing economic sanctions on Zimbabwe, a country rich in diamonds, gold, iron ore, copper, and myriad agricultural resources?

Shouldn't it be the other way round?

This can happen because Africa is not united with a single powerful central govt, but is divided into tiny 'countries' that are not powerful enough on their own to resist the world powers' machinations.

Are you dreaming or what? Africa having a single power?

We never address the real issue affecting Africa rather we considerate on blame game. Can you tell me why Zimbabwe should suffer even with those natural resources you mentioned? Why would UK sanction have any effect on Zimbabwe?

^^You seem not to realise that a small minority of whites OWNED 85% of Zimbabwean land up till a few years ago. This land was not just farmland, but the land under which vast mineral resources sat. The whole Mugabe land redistribution program which made the west demonize him, and place economic sanctions on his country, was aimed at redressing this historical imbalance/injustice.  This is why Mugabe and his ZANU PF party are African HEROES. Today, Zimbabwe has survived the sanctions, the land has been redistributed, the economy is booming, and the black majority are no longer peasants and servants on their own land, but now have a stake in it.

I know this is not the version you've been fed by the imperialist media. But that's ok.

For more truth see:

Zimbabwe's Lonely Fight For Justice

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5242

Rossikk:

^^You seem not to realise that a small minority of whites OWNED 85% of Zimbabwean land up till a few years ago. This land was not just farmland, but the land under which vast mineral resources sat. The whole Mugabe land redistribution program which made the west demonize him, and place economic sanctions on his country, was aimed at redressing this historical imbalance/injustice.  This is why Mugabe and his ZANU PF party are African HEROES. Today, Zimbabwe has survived the sanctions, the land has been redistributed, the economy is booming, and the black majority are no longer peasants and servants on their own land, but now have a stake in it.

I know this is not the version you've been fed by the imperialist media. But that's ok.

For more truth see:

Zimbabwe's Lonely Fight For Justice

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5242

That is just Mugbage's speech abstract you just re-produced. Zimbabwean problem is man-made and that man is Robert Mugabe. Zanu-PF  and Mugabe are not regarded as hero in Africa, you just made that line up, very very few countries in Africa helped Zimbabwe. . . Libya and South Africa showed some sign of  sympathy but that died out.

Land distribution was political and it failed to solve the economy problem, things started getting better after the formation of Unity govt, and the adoption of multi-currency policy  because zim-dollar was worthless hence the adoption of US dollar.

The return of aid agencies helped alot because they looked after thousands of homeless Zimbabweans who were the victims of Mugabe's land-redistribution policy.
Zimbabwe will go down if MDC leaves the Unity-govt agreement because only   Morgan Tsvangirai is the only one who can be trusted by the international community.

White farmer contributed more than 80% of Zimbabwean economy because they are commercial farmers and invested alot in the farming and when most of them were driven out of Zimbabwe by Mugabe's thugs and war- veterans things went horribly wrong and the economy collapsed.

Zimbabwe's economy is made up almost entirely of South African companies owned by whites. Zimbabwe's minerals are mined by South African mining houses in partnership with the Zim government. A huge chunk of Zimbabwe's population fled Zim and now lives illegally in South Africa. Zimbabweans symbolically "own" the land but that land continues to be utilised by capitalistic South Africans who are pushing their agenda to neo-colonise Southern Africa. The South African government has not been hard on Zim as the west wants because the government knows that SA business has strong ties to Zim and will lose economically if they make a political blunder.

You just need to come to SA and stay for a week thereafter go to Namibia, Botswana, Lesotho, Swaziland, Zimbabwe and parts of Mozambique to see that SA business has integrated itself so deep into these economies that they might as well be part of South Africa.

So Zim is not as flowery as Rossikk fulsome take on it. He has been misled by the internet

paniki:

Zimbabwe's economy is made up almost entirely of South African companies owned by whites. Zimbabwe's minerals are mined by South African mining houses in partnership with the Zim government. A huge chunk of Zimbabwe's population fled Zim and now lives illegally in South Africa. Zimbabweans symbolically "own" the land but that land continues to be utilised by capitalistic South Africans who are pushing their agenda to neo-colonise Southern Africa. The South African government has not been hard on Zim as the west wants because the government knows that SA business has strong ties to Zim and will lose economically if they make a political blunder.

You just need to come to SA and stay for a week thereafter go to Namibia, Botswana, Lesotho, Swaziland, Zimbabwe and parts of Mozambique to see that SA business has integrated itself so deep into these economies that they might as well be part of South Africa.

So Zim is not as flowery as Rossikk fulsome take on it. He has been misled by the internet

Well said. Rossikk can keep reproducing Mugabe's speech materials to deceive people who know nothing about Zimbabwe not me.

wars, puppet leaders, debt enslavement, mass poverty, misery and death.

And they are not finished yet - they intend to covertly re colonise the entire continent - this is already underway with US africom.

But many africans remain completely oblivious of this.

Angry black Africans that think they can't come back to their countries and fight the good fight. They escape to western lands and act as if they really care about the continent and all atrocities that have been committed in it.

justwise said:

That is just Mugbage's speech abstract you just re-produced.

Don't tell lies. That was an article by an independent journalist not attached to 'mainstream' outlets like the BBC  and CNN who feed you your pro-imperialist news.

Zimbabwean problem is man-made and that man is Robert Mugabe.

Mugabe SAVED Zimbabweans from permanent servitude to whites on their ancestral land. Let us know when you're ready to hand over YOUR village land to your white masters. The Zimbabweans had had enough.

Zanu-PF  and Mugabe are not regarded as hero in Africa

They are by those who got their lands back, and those who know the deal.

very very few countries in Africa helped Zimbabwe

Because African countries are for the most part, led by western stooges.

. . . Libya and South Africa showed some sign of  sympathy but that died out.

It did not 'die out'. And they 'showed sympathy' because they were truly independent nations with govts not compromised by subservience to the west.

Land distribution was political and it failed to solve the economy problem

Speak about what you know. Land redistribution changed the face of Zimbabwe, gave the majority a stake in the economy, and removed a historical INJUSTICE. Does that mean anything at all to you?

things started getting better after the formation of Unity govt

Things got better because the west no longer had an excuse to impose economic sanctions, since their man Tsvangerai had been incorporated into the govt. It was a very smart, strategic move by the Mugabe govt.

The return of aid agencies helped a lot because they looked after thousands of homeless Zimbabweans who were the victims of Mugabe's land-redistribution policy.

Before the land redistribution policy, MILLIONS OF ZIMBABWEANS WERE HOMELESS AND LANDLESS.

Zimbabwe will go down if MDC leaves the Unity-govt agreement because only Morgan Tsvangirai is the only one who can be trusted by the international community

When you get your nose out of the west's (sorry ''international community's'') asss,  you will come to know that generations of Zimbabweans will thank Mugabe for giving them back their country.

White farmer contributed more than 80% of Zimbabwean economy because they are commercial farmers and invested alot in the farming

BBC propaganda. White 'farmers' produced 90% cash crops like tobacco and coffee for export, banking the proceeds overseas, or using same to fund lavish lifestyles in Zimbabwe, surrounded by black servants. At one point, one white man was said to own enough land in Zimbabwe to form a small country. They lived like lords, as the blacks sweated the land, and were confined to small holdings. All that has changed, THANKS TO BOB MUGABE AND ZANU PF.

and when most of them were driven out of Zimbabwe by Mugabe's thugs and war- veterans things went horribly wrong and the economy collapsed.

The economy collapsed AFTER the west imposed economic sanctions on Zimbabwe, not after the white farmers were driven out. That's more BBC propaganda.

Incidentally, many whites who fled are now begging to be let back into the new, booming Zimbabwe, where blacks are equal to everyone else.


Some of the media have noticed the success of Mugabe's strategy:


Zimbabwe's Land Reforms Drive Economic Growth

http://www.africanexecutive.com/modules/magazine/articles.php?article=5480

Even the BBC has been forced to accept the success of the land reform programme:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-11764004


BOB MUGABE HAS BEEN VINDICATED.


I NEARLY CRIED AFTER READING THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE:

Challenging Western Distortions about Zimbabwe's Land Reform

by Gregory Elich

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23311

@Rosikk
You know what you are talking about. Great posts. So many Africans are blinded and don't see the truth. i hope u spread this to your friends and family as well.

Rossikk:

justwise said:


Don't tell lies. That was an article by an independent journalist not attached to 'mainstream' outlets like the BBC  and CNN who feed you your pro-imperialist news.


Mugabe SAVED Zimbabweans from permanent servitude to whites on their ancestral land. Let us know when you're ready to hand over YOUR village land to your white masters. The Zimbabweans had had enough.


They are by those who got their lands back, and those who know the deal.

Because African countries are for the most part, led by western stooges.

It did not 'die out'. And they 'showed sympathy' because they were truly independent nations with govts not compromised by subservience to the west.

Speak about what you know. Land redistribution changed the face of Zimbabwe, gave the majority a stake in the economy, and removed a historical INJUSTICE. Does that mean anything at all to you?

Things got better because the west no longer had an excuse to impose economic sanctions, since their man Tsvangerai had been incorporated into the govt. It was a very smart, strategic move by the Mugabe govt.


Before the land redistribution policy, MILLIONS OF ZIMBABWEANS WERE HOMELESS AND LANDLESS.

When you get your nose out of the west's (sorry ''international community's'') asss,  you will come to know that generations of Zimbabweans will thank Mugabe for giving them back their country.

BBC propaganda. White 'farmers' produced 90% cash crops like tobacco and coffee for export, banking the proceeds overseas, or using same to fund lavish lifestyles in Zimbabwe, surrounded by black servants. At one point, one white man was said to own enough land in Zimbabwe to form a small country. They lived like lords, as the blacks sweated the land, and were confined to small holdings. All that has changed, THANKS TO BOB MUGABE AND ZANU PF.

The economy collapsed AFTER the west imposed economic sanctions on Zimbabwe, not after the white farmers were driven out. That's more BBC propaganda.

Incidentally, many whites who fled are now begging to be let back into the new, booming Zimbabwe, where blacks are equal to everyone else.


Some of the media have noticed the success of Mugabe's strategy:


Zimbabwe's Land Reforms Drive Economic Growth

http://www.africanexecutive.com/modules/magazine/articles.php?article=5480

Even the BBC has been forced to accept the success of the land reform programme:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-11764004


BOB MUGABE HAS BEEN VINDICATED.


I NEARLY CRIED AFTER READING THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE:

Challenging Western Distortions about Zimbabwe's Land Reform

by Gregory Elich

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23311

I was in Zimbabwe when Zimbabwe was good and was there when Zimbabwe went down dramatically, so i witnessed it, felt the hardship as a student then, i'm still in touch with all my friends and course-mates including those who managed to escape to South Africa and the UK.

You know nothing about Zimbabwean prob, you keep googling up garbage online to paste here. Arguing with you is waste of time and energy because you don't know jack.

morpheus24:

Angry black Africans that think they can't come back to their countries and fight the good fight. They escape to western lands and act as if they really care about the continent and all atrocities that have been committed in it.

Don't mind those hypocrites, they still live in the west, enjoying the security and those resource the west stole from Africa.

Don't take them seriously because they are all two faced lairs.

justwise:

I was in Zimbabwe when Zimbabwe was good and was there when Zimbabwe went down dramatically, so i witnessed it, felt the hardship as a student then, i'm still in touch with all my friends and course-mates including those who managed to escape to South Africa and the UK.

You know nothing about Zimbabwean prob, you keep googling up garbage online to paste here. Arguing with you is waste of time and energy because you don't know jack.

Which Zimbabweans left? WHat class were they in? How many people live in Zimbabwe? How many people are a fan of him in Zimbabwe?
Answer those questions.

igbo2011:

Which Zimbabweans left? WHat class were they in? How many people live in Zimbabwe? How many people are a fan of him in Zimbabwe?
Answer those questions.

Zimbabweans that were left after Mugbabe'sy political land redistribution policy were hungry Zimbabweans, those who couldn't afford to buy maze-meal or afford any decent life. The lands were given to Mugabe's top party officials who got no interest in commercial farming, they can't even afford the invest the type of money white farmers invested in those farms.

MDC party members were hunted down and tortured by Mugabe's green boy (thugs), white farmers were killed in their farms and many ran to South Africa, Namibia, Nigeria etc.

People in rural areas were forced to sing Mugabe's praises, attend rallies in exchange for maze-meal, no other newspaper were allow to operate in Zimbabwe then apart from the Herald which is govt newspaper bought for them by Nigeria after their independent in 1980

Mugabe was the darling of the West, he enjoyed all the goodies from the West, Mugabe pushed for the sanction against Nigeria from Commonwealth during Abacha's regime and Nigeria was suspended.

Since the land is now in their hands why are they not producing food to feed their people? Why are they depending on food aid agencies?



South Africa suffered the brunt of the crisis as thousands of Zimbabweans flew to South Africa