IGNORANCE IGNORANCE IGNORANCE1111111111111111 conduct a google search before you start making derogatory comments. I believe different religions call God or CHINEKE IN DIFFERENT WAYS. ALLAH SIMPLY MEANS GOD. TAKE FOR EXAMPLE PAP IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES ALL MEAN SAME THING.
Yiddish : tatti ; tay ; foter ; tateh
Welsh : tad
Venetian : pare ; popà ; ‘opà ; pupà ; papà
Turkish : baba.
Spanish : papá ; viejo ; tata
Swahili : baba ; mzazi
Swedish : pappa
Slovak : otec
Slovenian : ôèe
Sicilian : patri
Sanskrit : tàtah ; janak
Russian : papa
Romanian : tata ; parinte ; taica
Polish : tata ; ojciec
Portuguese : pai
Persian/Farsi : pedar, pitar ; simply baabaa
Norwegian : pappa ; far
Nepali : buwa
Maori : haakoro ; kohake
Mandarin Chinese : baba
Malay : bapa
Latvian : tevs
Latin : pater ; papa ; atta
Lithuanian : tevas ; pradininkas ; protevis
Korean: abonim, aboji, appa
Japanese : otosan, papa
Italian : babbo
Irish : athair ; daidí
Indonesian : bapa ; ayah ; pak
Hungarian : apa ; apu ; papa ; édesapa
Hindi : papa ; pita-ji
Hebrew : abba(h)
German : banketi, papi
French : papa
Finnish : isä
Filipino : tatay, itay, tay ; ama
Estonian : isa
English : father ; dad ; daddy ; pop ; poppa ; papa
Dutch : vader ; papa ; pappie
Czech : táta, otecfather and son
Croatian : otac
Bosnian : otac
Brazilian Portuguese : pai
Arabic : babba ; yebba ; abbi (classical)
Afrikaans : vader

RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE IS EVIL NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO IMPOSE THEIR RELIGIOUS VIEWS ON THE OTHER. YOU CAN EXPRESS WHAT YOU KNOW IF THEY ARE WILLING TO LISTEN BUT DO NOT IMPOSE. RELIGION IS PERSONAL BETWEEN ONE AND THEIR GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@judek, where can we see all those LIES you have reported? Can you give us reference for all this jargons you have said so that we can confirm? Do you ever mind to read the history of the Arabs before and after Prophet Muhammed(peace be upon him) was born? Am not surprise at all seeing this because I have read more foolish things than this.

What you kafir failed to realised is that the true God(Allah) was well known to the Arabs but all they do is using idols to intercede between them and Allah. Is like the Yorubas who believe that GOD is the supreme being also called OLODUMARE or OLOHUN. But they intercede to that Almighty God through their idols.

A very very very big JazakumLahu Kairan to my Dear Brothers and Sisters in Islam the likes of Sweetnecta, Ruqaya, vexacool(am sorry if I didnt get the spelling) and a special JazakumLahu to Lagosshia, infact you have really explain exclusively(ifosiwewe) to all these Kafirun. AM RELIEF, I THANK ALLAH AM A MUSLIM. AM HAPPY AM A MUSLIM. My Muslim Brothers and Sisters, I LOVE YOU ALL!

Am short of words, Quran said, they will never accept except whom Allah has made to accept. And I pray that they will not accept so that they will see and know that truely Allah will never make a promise and unable to fulfill it. Allah says: They will be used as fuel for the HELL.

Brentkruge, lepasharon, ogoamaka and so on, I cant tell you to go to hell because you are already in hell.

ameen brother Yemmy!

may Allah reward you too and may He keep us on the path of guidance and knowledge and rationality:al-Islam!!!!

[quote author=ogoamaka99)
@Ruqaya,
Who is this Allah? Is he or she still alive?
[quote][/quote]
ALLAH is the lord of the universe,ALLAH is living. He is not comparable to anyone.

Ppl are freaked out by this Allah thing.

@poster, d expression "Who is this ALLAH" shows dat u did not ask 2 learn but 2 criticize n i doubt dere is any response that could b given to convince you.
U're definitely a hypocrite

LagosShia:

you are lost.and [b]if you claim to have being a muslim who does not know the name of God he claimed to have worshipped,then someone deserves to be cursed.[/b]dont ask me who;it will hurt you to know.

I found out Allah wasnt the one for me. Its a free world. I dont deserved to be cursed for that, come on. That shows your level of tolerance dude.

you claim to be neutral but you are not.in all the threads,you portray this innocent neutral third party who is neither muslim nor christian.yet you follow the christian line of thinking to make a source of distraction.you are here to deceive people you are not christian.if you condemn Islam,then christianity should be no better for you.at least that is the position of sincere atheists on this forum.but you are here to support one side and think you are neutral.

Who told you am neutral? I am for the cause of humanity and common sense. I am not an atheist, for now am agnostic. You think anybody that condemns Islam must be a Christian! You are one funny dude!

if you have your own case,then kindly open a thread,and tell us why you left islam,who you are and what you are now.then we will deal with each issue.but for you to come in to confuse the arguments between christians and muslims,is dishonest.if a christian is questioning the name "ALLAH",i can point out to him that the name is found also in the bible.but how can someone who is not christian,and is not muslims,pose a christian missionary question and expect anyone to believe he is not christian.would you accept me to refer you to the bible?so,tell me what you are.an atheist or irreligious person,would care less if God's name is "Allah","jehovah" or  even "shiva" or "sango".so let me make a small good promise to you:

Why I left Islam is my business that I will share in good time. I dont have to open a thread to discuss that. In case you have forgotten, the title of the thread is WHO IS THIS ALLAH? its not a Muslim vs Christian thread. So anybody with an opinion can chip in. Any discussion on any religion should make sense to anybody not just a religious person. Like I said above, I am agnostic.

dont waste your time because you will be exposed for what you are.i and my muslim brothers would not be distracted by you or the schemes of frosbel.you could just be another of his infamous usernames to show the freak in him.we will continue spreading the truth of islam and exposing the falsehood f christianity and the dishonesty of christians and their "pious fraud".so if you think you'd be a new war front to be throwing attacks on muslims while pretending to be neutral it would be of no avail to you.you'd be humbled and treated like the stock of pigs we have already in the house.

frosbel?    

thats one reason Muslims surprise me, they hardly hesitate to call people who dont agree with them names. The very people you want to show the light of Islam are the ones you are calling pigs. Answer the questions and observations like a man and quit raving like a lunatic

Islam is wracked by the violence, intolerance, hate, and all what not. Indeed these are some of the things that drove me away. I am not a violent and hateful person. I may not like your ways or religion, but I wouldn't hate you. Thats one major difference. My interest is to open up these issues that have claimed so many precious lives, and how best to start but at the source of the hate and intolerance.

HATE and INTOLERANCE will be confronted and defeated whether in Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism or whatever. For now we are here, tomorrow we will be some place else to fight this battle against intolerance. Get it? 

Masalam

yemmy1:

A very very very big JazakumLahu Kairan to my Dear Brothers and Sisters in Islam the likes of Sweetnecta, Ruqaya, vexacool(am sorry if I didnt get the spelling) and a special JazakumLahu to Lagosshia, infact you have really explain exclusively(ifosiwewe) to all these Kafirun. AM RELIEF, I THANK ALLAH AM A MUSLIM. AM HAPPY AM A MUSLIM. My Muslim Brothers and Sisters, I LOVE YOU ALL!

Am short of words, Quran said, they will never accept except whom Allah has made to accept. And I pray that they will not accept so that they will see and know that truely Allah will never make a promise and unable to fulfill it. Allah says: They will be used as fuel for the HELL.

Brentkruge, lepasharon, ogoamaka and so on, I cant tell you to go to hell because you are already in hell.

Are you God?

Lie down before you hurt yourself.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ lol. Ha ha. Masalam? Thats a load of laff.

@Lepasharon; You freak me out. I know you are an artist. Most of you are so visual that you bend too much that you are almost cracking. But Allah is the One Who prevents you from breaking.

It seems we are deviating from the question. GOD said in the BIBLE as a commandment that you shall not KILL while Muslim Allah told them to KILL. That means Allah and GOD is not the same. Who is this Allah?

ogoamaka99:

It seems we are deviating from the question. GOD said in the BIBLE as a commandment that you shall not KILL while Muslim Allah told them to KILL. That means Allah and GOD is not the same. Who is this Allah?

Could he be SATAN

Ruqaya:

Say ALLAH is one
he is independent
he begot not, nor was he begotten
and there is no one like him
@jude, you are lost. But surely, ALLAH guides whom he wills, dere is nothing i can say to ease off the hatred you have for islam.
Till ALLAH guides you, i will leave you to your infinite problems

Who is this one
How can a person following an illiterate man who married an old woman,married about 13 women,then had sex with a kid,9 years old.He even married his sons wife. What kind of se.x freak is he was.He was a murderer and a thief, DAMNED. You can never defend him.Mohammad was such a weired man.

Girl, i guess you better guide yourself cos Allah has misguided you. Allah is a dead stone in Kabba,and his messenger is dead and rotten in hell,cos he i'm sure a man like that can never enter heaven, even the illusive one of virgins,young boys and wine. .

How many wives has your husband?
Anyway,that doesent matter cos you will regenerate to a virgin when you die,and be among the 72 virgins to be given out to another man,or maybe you gonna have to watch your husband slаm 71 before it reaches your turn.

This one is from the horse's mouth. He cannot be lying against himself or any religion-simply stating the truth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SScUw9L0TZc

Either way?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUm7zFshaBE

Before the coming of Islam and Christian to the Africa, Africans had a way of worship. A way they communicated to their God. They recognized the EXISTENCE of a SUPREME BEING that CREATED[/font] everything. They worshiped this supreme being, only that through intermediaries (gods / idols) they created on their own. They believed these gods could facilitate the answering of their prayers faster from the SUPREME GOD. You ask any traditionalist or historian, and he or she will tell you, our ancestors believed there was a SUPREME BEING who they believed do not reside on earth with us.

They look at God Almighty has been too power and too big to approach or talk to directly, therefore, they created means of facilitating communication to this God easily. Just like today's technological advance means of communication we find around us. These idols / gods they created were believed to be a mean to an end, but, not the end itself.

It will therefore be turning the truth on its head when we say or conclude that our ancestors did not know any supreme God or did not call on any Supreme God. In virtually every African language i can speak or i know of, the is a special or unique name for the Supreme God, that they all use to call [font=Lucida Sans Unicode]HIM when the need arises. This is not peculiar to Africa alone, its all over the whole world.


To now say that, because the Yorubas in Nigeria called God Almighty "Olorun" or the Akans in Ghana called Him "Nyame" or the Gas or the Ewes etc, during pre-Christianity or pre-Islamic era, therfore, any time a christian or Muslim Yoruba or akan call unto God in their local languages, they are calling on the same idol or gods their ancestors worshiped is nothing but, intellectual dishonesty. Such a person not only need a psychiatric doctor but, spiritual deliverance.

The Arabs before Islam or Christian, worshiped idols, but, they also believed in a Supreme God whom they revere very well. They do not give any of their idols this Supreme God name. They recognized His existence and they all directed their worship to Him through their individual gods.

After the coming of Islam, they only did away with the idols and communicated with God almighty directly. This i believe also goes for Christianity. That is why both Christian and Muslim Arabs still call God Almighty "Allah".

To now come and say, the christian Arabs call of God almighty "Allah" is right but, the Muslim Arabs' call of God almighty "Allah" is wrong and not the true God is just being sagaciously mischievous.

Let us learn to have an open minded discussions on forums like this. Thank you

And for those still believing or talking about their traditional 'religion':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xbVlx2N3hc

TarryFour: And for those still believing or talking about their traditional 'religion':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xbVlx2N3hc

I do not like to sound insultive but, this only shows your level of understanding Please read my post again, Probably, you might understand it this time around.

Judek2:

Who is this one
How can a person following an illiterate man who married an old woman,married about 13 women,then had sex with a kid,9 years old.He even married his sons wife. What kind of se.x freak is he was.He was a murderer and a thief, DAMNED. You can never defend him.Mohammad was such a weired man.

I guess you are loosing your temper on this. Trying to bully a lady is what I think is not sane enough. You may call the prophet (S A W) anything out of your share ignorance, but non-muslim scholars such as george bernard shaw (if you may well ask about their comments) have something to say high of him. Sane and well recognised elites and prolific writers such as napoleon hill, also talks about dat Muhammad (S A W) in his famous book, "think and grow rich" (the last section of chapter 9). So what the heck do I care about what rubbish you say out of frustration. I guess people like you have jst come on thread to tarnish the image of your fellow christians, acting as if the bible has taught you to bully your women. We know how most of your pastors, having brainwashed you, go ahead to have sex with the choir mistress and young ladies in church. Its not so surprising anyway, the songs of solomon and that of david is pornographic enough to corrupt your worlds.

Girl, i guess you better guide yourself cos Allah has misguided you. Allah is a dead stone in Kabba,and his messenger is dead and rotten in hell,cos he i'm sure a man like that can never enter heaven, even the illusive one of virgins,young boys and wine. .

How many wives has your husband?
Anyway,that doesent matter cos you will regenerate to a virgin when you die,and be among the 72 virgins to be given out to another man,or maybe you gonna have to watch your husband slаm 71 before it reaches your turn.

As to that, I won't blame you. You guys are not even worthy of any promises not to talk of expecting one. We all know how hypocrites such as paul and his fellow who have twisted the gospel that our dear prophet ISA (A S W) whom you call jesus has brought, ended their lives #winks#. We muslims are mature and we love our prophets from Adam through abraham, moses, jesus till Muhammad (S A W).

I guess I should rather save my citations for more reasonable christians who are willing to learn. And if you decide to move away from insanity to join rationality, feel free to ask for them. Thanks.

ogoamaka99:
Looking at what is happening, I feel compelled to ask this question. I request lagosshia or anybody who knew the answer to tell me. Who is this Allah? Is Allah as preached by Muslim the same being as JEHOVAH GOD as preached by Christians? To me they are not the same because GOD can’t contradict Himself. (1) God of the Bible said “FOR THOU SHALL NOT KILL” but Muslims said that their Allah gave them instruction to KILL and that is why they are killing.

Is GOD and Allah the same?

. Do you remember in the bible, u said when Jesus was on the cross and he said "ELA ELA LAMA SABAKTANI". Meaning MY God my God why have u for saking me. Some bible write ELI,ELI, some ELA,ELA, some ELO,ELO which ever it is written it sounds like ALLAH,ALLAH and not JEHOVA,JEHOVA that is to tell u that Allah is the name of our one and only true creator.

Judek2: Allah is the Moon god.
Allah was among the 360 gods worshiped by Mohammads tribe In Mekka,even before Mohammad was born,thus he sellected Allah as the one and supreme god,and then used the Bible to make up the Koran so as to look authentic.

Allah has three daughters, Al Uzza, Al llat and Menat.
Mohammads people and family also worshiped Allah before he was born,thus his father's name was Abdu'allah, the Allah in his name showing how subjective he is to the Moon god.Also the Moon god explains why Islam symbol is the crescent Moon.

ALLAH IS NOT THE GOD OF THE BIBLE

i agree with your point....buh dis folks wont bliv u wen u tel dem....allah had bin in xistence even bfor d acclaimed revelations n his fada was a worshiper of allah...so aw com dis allah is d same as Yahweh? totaly diff allah is one of d gods while Yahweh is the true God

I took my time to read the book "Who is this ALLAH?" by G.J.O. Moshay, not as a christian or a muslim, but with an open mind and I now know the truth. I encourage you to do the same. Whether you serve Jehovah, Allah, Amadioha, Ogun or Sango, stop killing in the name of religion. These are supreme beings, let's leave them to fight for themselves. It is their war.

I took my time to read the book "Who is this ALLAH?" by G.J.O. Moshay, not as a christian or a muslim, but with an open mind and I now know the truth. I encourage you to do the same. Whether you serve Jehovah, Allah, Amadioha, Ogun or Sango, stop killing in the name of religion. These are supreme beings. Let's leave them to fight for themselves. It is their war.

1) Capital Punishment Crimes:
 
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
 
Kill Witches
    You should not let a sorceress live.  (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
 
Kill Homosexuals
    "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."  (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
 
Kill Fortunetellers
    A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.  (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
 
Death for Hitting Dad
    Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.  (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
 
Death for Cursing Parents
    1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness.  (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
    2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death.  They are guilty of a capital offense.  (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
 
Death for Adultery
    If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.  (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
 
Death for Fornication
    A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.  (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
 
Death to Followers of Other Religions
    Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed.  (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
 
Kill Nonbelievers
    They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
 
Kill False Prophets
    If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord."  When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.  (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
 
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
    Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
 
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
    But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house.  Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.  (Deuteronomy  22:20-21 NAB)
 
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
    1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.  Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.  You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.  And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.  (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
 
    2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden.  When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death.  (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
 
Death for Blasphemy
    One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men.  During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name.  So the man was brought to Moses for judgment.  His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan.  They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear.  Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head.  Then let the entire community stone him to death.  Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished.  Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel.  Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die.  (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
 
Kill False Prophets
    1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles,  and the predicted signs or miracles take place.  If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them.  The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul.  Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone.  Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him.  The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt.  Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you.  (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)
 
    2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.'  You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?'  If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message.  That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared.  (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
 
Infidels and Gays Should Die
    So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired.  As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies.  Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies.  So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever.  Amen.  That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires.  Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.  And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other.  Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved.  When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done.  Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip.  They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful.  They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents.  They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving.  They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway.  And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.  (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
 
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
    For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites.  You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment.  They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it.  Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again.  Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.'  (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
 
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
    The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever.  It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.  Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy.  Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community.  Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest.  I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.'  (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

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