Negro_Ntns:

Isale_Gan,  I agree that pre-colonisation post is a very good read.  A summary collection of heroes, very good and instructive.  You know what, is it possible that we can have an index repository containing links to these highly valuable topics?  So there is a single point for the record keeping, instead of scattered all over.

MP007:

wait a minute. you mentioned ijaiye as one of the towns that was completely wiped out due to the war. Are these the same ijaiye people in abeokuta? Because I remember once my late grandfather telling that the egba gave the ijaiye's that land when they fled the sub-b of the old oyo empire? Interesting connection perhaps

Tony Spike:

Ijaiye, with several other towns and villages, were completely destroyed and wiped out of the SW map by the long 16 years war. Infact, many of such settlements can no longer be precisely located again. The war policies of the Oyos and Ibadans back then involved destroying and plundering a settlement to the ground. The houses in such settlements were reduced to just a small pile and not just ordinary rubbles as in modern warfare.

hercules07:

@9jacrip

The man was present at some of these wars, infact, he was part of the delegation that was sent by the British to ensure peace, most of the others were hearsay.

Only-Rebel:

Wow! How great you guys are. How great is my Nation (Yoruba Nation). We shall be great again. Jagun Jagun Nbo, O nbo, o nbo, o nbo, Jagun Jagun Nbo. Olori Ogun ko gbodo Keyin ogun, Jagun Jagun Nbo.

ACM10:

I know that the aim of this thread is to show us that Yorubas were once great. But we are laughing at their scheme from the stand, because every Yoruba history is in conflict with the reality. If Yorubas can commit a scorched earth campaign against their own people, how come did they allow fulanis to run amok in their backyard without bloodying their nose? Greeks ran amok in northern Italy 50yrs before the rise of the roman empire. But Romans bloodied their nose so bad that the battle made it to the english diction today as the "Pyrrhic war". But Yorubas case is to concoct a myth, then hatch it into reality without evidence or necessary criticism. Then force others to believe their myth.

ACM10:

I know that the aim of this thread is to show us that Yorubas were once great. But we are laughing at their scheme from the stand, because every Yoruba history is in conflict with the reality. If Yorubas can commit a scorched earth campaign against their own people, how come did they allow fulanis to run amok in their backyard without bloodying their nose? Greeks ran amok in northern Italy 50yrs before the rise of the roman empire. But Romans bloodied their nose so bad that the battle made it to the english diction today as the "Pyrrhic war". But Yorubas case is to concoct a myth, then hatch it into reality without evidence or necessary criticism. Then force others to believe their myth.

dayokanu:

Isale I dont know if that coloured picture of that quality could have been taken in the 60's when Akintola lived.

Maybe it was retouched

9jacrip:


True, he was around during the period BUT that even cements his subjectivity. In historiography, a/an historian is permitted to write about what he's part of after many years, else, his/her work would be mere chronicles or journalism that could be referred to very much later by objective writers. History writing/detailing isn't about who's part of what but rather being disconnected from the topic for better analysis etc. I'm a history graduate so I know what I'm talking about and how professors refer to Samuel Johnson's work.

Katsumoto:

The question is where do historians get their information from? They get it from old relics and written materials from the era they are studying. Samuel Johnson himself included information from eras that preceded him through other accounts. The information that Johnson got from being present is far more valuable than information that would have been told as legends, stories, etc. Johnson's account is 1. formidable because 2. HE WROTE it down. You may not know this but 3. Johnson's original manuscript was lost by the publisher.
4. It was his brother Obadiah (a doctor) who wrote the book from Johnson's ORIGINAL notes.

5. The point of reading a book is not accept it wholeheartedly but to analyse the facts and superimpose your own thought process. It was Aristotle who said 'It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it'.  A true scholar will not read Johnson's account alone but others. Many books have been written by other scholars such Akinjogbin, Awe, Akintoye, Smith, Ade-Ajayi, Jeremy Eades. But guess what, many of these other historians quote Johnson because of the level of detail in his notes.

If Christiane Amanpour wrote a book about the Balkan wars, would you disregard it because she was present? Would you instead prefer a book that was written by a man/woman who visited the Balkans 50 years after the war and received information from people who were 7 years old during the war?


6. @ interested readers
Please ignore those who have nothing intelligent to contribute other than self ridicule.

russellino:

I know not too many ppl know that an african-american mercenary was hired to take part in the kiriji (though I can't recall which side imported him) he was a veteran of the american civil war and was brought in to operate the then new Gatlin gun that the ppl didn't know how to operate. I heard he took a yoruba woman back as his wife. Can any scholars in d house shed more light on this? I heard this story from one old baba

russellino:

I know not too many ppl know that an african-american mercenary was hired to take part in the kiriji (though I can't recall which side imported him) he was a veteran of the american civil war and was brought in to operate the then new Gatlin gun that the ppl didn't know how to operate. I heard he took a yoruba woman back as his wife. Can any scholars in d house shed more light on this? I heard this story from one old baba

Negro_Ntns:

I think I will ask OAM4J or Jarus to see what they can do for us in this regard. It will be a central collection of highly valuable and informational materials dealing strictly with the race.