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Why are you comparing South east to the north ?

1. more land mass
2. More population, thus more mouth to feed
3. Most people from the South east have relocated to the north anyway so they use some of their money for South easterners anyway
4. South east governors just like others would steal the extra allocations so what does it matter ?

@Dudu_Negro, I appreciate your last post which was designed to inform those who are ignorant. May I also add the following:

The National Population Commission is established by S. 153 of the 1999 Constitution.

The Third Schedule, Part 1 in J S:23 sets out the composition of the Commission as follows:-
S.23. The National Population Commission shall comprise the following members:



1.A Chairman and
2.One person from each State of the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja .


We did not hear of any objections to the result of the 2006 census by any commisioner, the adoption of the numbers was unanimous.

Illustration of how creation of states and further division into geo zones impact your share of national allocations.

1. The Northerners are ruling from a political blueprint created in 1954.
2. The Westerner and the Easterner are much easier and willing to adopt a new region for themselves, SW (instead of West) and SE instead of (East). . . . the Northerner has stubbornly retained his North (even though there is NW, NE and NC, he refuses to recognize them in matters of resource allocation).
3.  A Northerner looks at his North as an integral one piece and views others as divided States.  
4.  If all the Southern stateas combined were to withdraw their members from NASS, the Northern states alone will satisfy the conditions and requirements of 1/3 in order to form a quorum and operate Nigerian government.  
5.  If the Northern states withdraw members from NASS, the ability of the Southern states to operate government will constitutionally be crippled.

How do we fix the imbalance?

_chuks, I agree! Why are we wasting money going to University if this education and knowledge is a hindrance to our fundamental understanding of basic political process? If we have members in there solely for the purpose of representing, monitoring and raising challenge to a decision they are not in agreement with but they choose to keep quiet and cheer the Chairman for a job well done. . . then the outcome of that well done job has far reaching effect on the ground.

Dudu_Negro:

Illustration of how creation of states and further division into geo zones impact your share of national allocations.

1. The Northerners are ruling from a political blueprint created in 1954.
2. The Westerner and the Easterner are much easier and willing to adopt a new region for themselves, SW (instead of West) and SE instead of (East). . . . the Northerner has stubbornly retained his North (even though there is NW, NE and NC, he refuses to recognize them in matters of resource allocation).
3.  A Northerner looks at his North as an integral one piece and views others as divided States.  
4.  If all the Southern stateas combined were to withdraw their members from NASS, the Northern states alone will satisfy the conditions and requirements of 1/3 in order to form a quorum and operate Nigerian government.  
5.  If the Northern states withdraw members from NASS, the ability of the Southern states to operate government will constitutionally be crippled.

How do we fix the imbalance?  

When we told you that the North (not you) won the civil war, you become agitated and haul insults.
Ask yourself HONESTLY, would that be the case if you (the West) really won the war with them?
How come they are cheating you?

Onlytruth:

When we told you that the North (not you) won the civil war, you become agitated and haul insults.
Ask yourself HONESTLY, would that be the case if you (the West) really won the war with them?
How come they are cheating you?

WORD

BTW that is also part of why I (personally) don't believe in (and I don't accept them either) the geopolitical zones in the south, especially those in the East and former midwest.
Today the North is still ONE while the south is THREE.

When we told you that the North (not you) won the civil war, you become agitated and haul insults.
Ask yourself HONESTLY, would that be the case if you (the West) really won the war with them?
How come they are cheating you?

I looked at the title. . .and saw the top and bottom lists and felt a sense of injustice that except Imo, every other SE state is on the bottom 18.  Thats not fair!  I speak to truth when truth needs to be voiced.   . . . . but I see you want something else.  So I will give you an answer.

. . . there was no war in 1954 when the blueprint I referred to was established.   Nigeria should have been independent in eithr 1954 or 1956, and not 1960.  It was more probable in 1956 but there was a gap at the regional level.  I wont go into that for now.  

Resource allocation to states has nothing to do with winning war.  There are layers of overseers to ensure that the distribution is fair based on the adopted criterias for allocating.  There are certain things you must consider on this topic.

1. Land size.  The size of your land means nothing unless you plan to tap into its resourcefullness in terms of land development and usage.  Based on this, how many development plans are on the table in the SE that are designed to attract population growth and urban development?  

2. Population.  If X millions of Ndigbo are in Kano, then then that means SE is without that X population. . . . because they cannot exist in two places simultaneously.  So this extra swell must be catered for in Kano.  The burden of catering for them is the responsibility of Kano, not SE.  So guess where the money goes?  

If xmillions of Ndigbo is in Katsina, that means SE is minus that x number of people.   So the impact of negative allocation is not just based on population count alone, there is also projection for migratory patterns based on historical actuals.  

SE needs to get its act together , if you love occupying other people land, then you or FG . . . . somebody must cater for their need on that land.  The flow of money follows this swell and also the fact that you cannot attract positive population growth mdefeats your argument for getting a big chunk of the allocation.

BTW that is also part of why I (personally) don't believe in (and I don't accept them either) the geopolitical zones in the south, especially those in the East and former midwest.
Today the North is still ONE while the south is THREE.

. . . dont you notice that most times when referring to Yorubaland I use West instead of SW? We have to be smart. . . . thats why we went and earned degrees.

Dudu_Negro:

. . . dont you notice that most times when referring to Yorubaland I use West instead of SW? We have to be smart. . . . thats why we went and earned degrees.

I totally concur.

In Igbo we say "Okuko na akpa nri, anya uhie akola ya" -when the hen feeds bending down, it must never lose focus on the sideviews of things (because hawks and kites may swoop down).

We shouldn't be fighting for more federal allocations, rather we should be fighting to overturn the current system for something that is truly federal.

Dudu_Negro:



I looked at the title. . .and saw the top and bottom lists and felt a sense of injustice that except Imo, every other SE state is on the bottom 18.  Thats not fair!  I speak to truth when truth needs to be voiced.   . . . . but I see you want something else.  So I will give you an answer.

. . . there was no war in 1954 when the blueprint I referred to was established.   Nigeria should have been independent in eithr 1954 or 1956, and not 1960.  It was more probable in 1956 but there was a gap at the regional level.  I wont go into that for now.  

Resource allocation to states has nothing to do with winning war.  There are layers of overseers to ensure that the distribution is fair based on the adopted criterias for allocating.  There are certain things you must consider on this topic.

1. Land size.  The size of your land means nothing unless you plan to tap into its resourcefullness in terms of land development and usage.  Based on this, how many development plans are on the table in the SE that are designed to attract population growth and urban development?  

2. Population.  If X millions of Ndigbo are in Kano, then then that means SE is without that X population. . . . because they cannot exist in two places simultaneously.  So this extra swell must be catered for in Kano.  The burden of catering for them is the responsibility of Kano, not SE.  So guess where the money goes?  

If xmillions of Ndigbo is in Katsina, that means SE is minus that x number of people.   So the impact of negative allocation is not just based on population count alone, there is also projection for migratory patterns based on historical actuals.  

SE needs to get its act together , if you love occupying other people land, then you or FG . . . . somebody must cater for their need on that land.  The flow of money follows this swell and also the fact that you cannot attract positive population growth mdefeats your argument for getting a big chunk of the allocation.  

Okay I have to say this at this time.

I personally believe that SE should focus more on effectively utilizing whatever allocations are coming in now because there is no proof that more allocation =more development of infrastructure.
I would use Anambra as an example. The state gets an allocation of about $455m annually. I have not added internally generated revenue. Total state income could be anywhere around $500m (for example). I personally witnessed what Dr Chris Nwabueze Ngige was able to do with this money. Without exargerating, the state could have become completely networked with modern roads in about a period of 8 years. That is why it pains me that Peter Obi is not putting the debate beyond reach.

Gov Rochas Okorocha is attempting some of my expectations of what is possible with CURRENT allocations. Imo does not receive much different from what Anambra receives. FACT.

So, let the debate continue.

excessive sense of entitlement in play as usual.
map of Nigeria to help people visualize just how small the SE is compared to the north. even with so called 'high density', you can't compare the two regions.

When did high population density = high population?
Recall that the entire SE zone is about the size of Oyo State

most sensible post so far. If people didn't look at the figures and only read the comments, one would think that the SE didn't get anything.

Everybody need to have a electronic copy of the gazettes.  If you cant get it electronically go to a local library in Nigeria or even Govt press of your city and ask for a copy.   The gazette is very important document to have.  Here is e link.

http://resourcedat.com/category/government/gazzettes-and-publications/

Onlytruth:

My friend I have two questions for you.

How old are you?

How long have you been on Nairaland?

If you answer the first question honestly, and you are more than 18 (which would be very sad indeed!) , then watch out because you will DEFINITELY be killed by your putrid and suicidal mouth. A lot of your type get shot dead by "akata" before they turn 30. Soon we will hear your obituary here. 

If you answer the second question honestly, you would know that you are too new here to know me. Ask your "senior" yoruba brothers here. They all know me. Else, you may be an older poster with a new name, which makes you even a more miserable cowardly ideeot, or a complete slowpoke with some kind of a learning disorder.

You are DESPERATE for my attention. Everyone can see. Problem is I DON'T HAVE TIME to waste. Can't you see? Freaking binch. 

I don die o! Look this pathological Liar wey be say na DNA traces of lies dey all over him body dey ask me for "truth" lol. Ode! Listen, your type disgust the hell out of me! Youre a hateful being and you give every Igbo/Nigerian/African a bad name. Have you ever asked yourself why I havent even bothered with members like Bluetooth? Imbe+cilic monkey, look at him, the first thing wey come hin head na say "Oh, he hates my tribalism so he he must be Yoruba". Animal, why havent I ever attacked Abagworo or Chinenyen? Anuofia, I go through all your posts and it reeks of hate against a whole goup, Olofo, DO YOU KNOW THEM PERSONALLY?! You want to encourage our kids to go to war to satisfy your evil and thirst for blood while youre holed up in your basement in some project in Alabama. Sorry o, but as long as you keep spewing hate I will keep attacking you anytime I'm bored and log on NL.

If youre so brave why dont you go to Nigeria to start the war youre always propagating. You come on here all the time telling all kinds of lies and because nobody says nothing to you you think its cool, Ol boy, na Amadioha and Ogun go twist your neck if you even think someone like me will just read without attacking you, you loser.

Me get killed by akata? Dude, I dont do crack and I dont live in the projects so theres a higher chance of that happening to a hopeless monster like yourself. Ive asked you twice: You get woman sef? You get Job? Why is all your time spent on NL? Get busy and get a life and maybe you wont have the time to sound like such a useless human being all the time.

You say all this evil stuff, let me ask you, since all of a sudden you love the truth: You think there arent people whose fathers are Igbo/Yoruba and whose mothers are Hausa/Igbira? So, when you start your madness what position do you expect those kind of people to take? How do you expect them to feel? You dey crase, I never even start with you sef you don dey shake.

Anytime I see you on here yarning opaks I will attack you. Anytime I see you spilling unnecessary hate, I will attack you. If you dont like it go back to Nigeria and put your words to action, sebi na there dem born you, no be so? You never see anything yet.

Mumu, Imagine he even has the guts to try to sound innocent.

This is not new news. This in act is ongoing and state policy. But can you blame Nigeria?

Look at the leaders in the SouthEast: Abia-Orji Kalu to Thief Theo Orji, IMo: Udenwa and Kema Chikwe, who tried to smuggle themselves into the senate last election, Anambra: Ngige and his rigging brother Uba as senators in Anambra, and you wonder.

See Igbo people owning 73% of property in Abuja, and yet can't develop their region with all the "money" made in Lagos and the North.

So what do you expect.

Don't cry brother, we don't really need this allocation, rather we need our own country , Indigbo by all calculation are like the jews, whatever we touch turns to gold, upon all this marginalization by the Northern controlled Government we still control Nigeria economy from Lagos to Abuja, we are Obiara Na Mba karia Mba, we outsmart them in everything that's why they hated us so much, we go and own half of the properties in their land so what do you expect from them than hatred ?. No matter what we still run Nigeria's economy and the North will forever remain the poorest region in Nigeria. Na jealousy go kill them thanks to Boko Haram that keep driving investors back to the east, now give us five years from now that we have wised up and see massive developments from all the money we made in the North before Boko Haram madness.

Onlytruth:

Okay I have to say this at this time.

I personally believe that SE should focus more on effectively utilizing whatever allocations are coming in now because there is no proof that more allocation =more development of infrastructure.
I would use Anambra as an example. The state gets an allocation of about $455m annually. I have not added internally generated revenue. Total state income could be anywhere around $500m (for example). I personally witnessed what Dr Chris Nwabueze Ngige was able to do with this money. Without exargerating, the state could have become completely networked with modern roads in about a period of 8 years. That is why it pains me that Peter Obi is not putting the debate beyond reach.

Gov Rochas Okorocha is attempting some of my expectations of what is possible with CURRENT allocations. Imo does not receive much different from what Anambra receives. FACT.

So, let the debate continue.

Most sensible post on this thread, what developments have we seen in the so called 'high allocation' states? Our major problem is corruption and not until it is rooted out, we would still remain where we are.

c.fours:

excessive sense of entitlement in play as usual.
map of Nigeria to help people visualize just how small the SE is compared to the north. even with so called 'high density', you can't compare the two regions.





most sensible post so far. If people didn't look at the figures and only read the comments, one would think that the SE didn't get anything.

wao, the SE states looks small here.

@Dayoko, who is your client? ANAMCO? Anybody will just come here on NL to spew gibberish. FYI: you are just a common thug 'agbero' operating in the streets of Ekiti.

so ibos can cry over this?

What is the real formular for sharing federal allocations to states?
I think is by oil states, number of local govt in per states, population per state.

The allocation depends on 2 factors population and oil producing status (well when the original formula was made it was exporting capacity but since nowadays all industries but oil industry is dead we can call it it oil producing )
If you factor this 2 things in you see the formula is about right.
I swear if it was igbos who had the oil we will not hear word on this forum!
Allocation is fair to all,apart from the people who actually own the oil and i don't see them screaming here.
Imo - N6,138,603,846.12 ($38.19m) pop 4m
kaduna - 43m$ pop 6m
So kaduna gets 13% more then imo but has a population 50% more so who is getting more per head?Do your maths before you start the usual screaming as if igbos suffer most in Nigeria.

The Nigeria’s allocation formula is based on, among other things, variables manipulated by those who were at the helm of authority in the country. It is very laughable to inject land mass and number of LGAs as indices factored into revenue allocation. The talk of land mass is a practical joke and to include authoritarian machination such as LGA is criminal. It is only in Nigeria where idiocy gives way to stupidity.

If population should be used in such factorization, the lead supplier should be school leavers. Nigeria can shove the idiotic federal allocation formula. I simply want Republic of Igbo land or modified Biafra and would not mind if sand is its only resource. Mere disintegration of the cesspit called Nigeria will put a final stop to bickering over things such allocation.

seanet02:

so ibos can cry over this?

Shut up quickly. Who readily cries more in Nigeria than you and your peeps? Nobody is crying but uncovering injustice, olodo.

Demdem:

wao, the SE states looks small here.

Heh. They look small because they are small.

ranlaen:

The allocation depends on 2 factors population and oil producing status (well when the original formula was made it was exporting capacity but since nowadays all industries but oil industry is dead we can call it it oil producing )
If you factor this 2 things in you see the formula is about right.
I swear if it was igbos who had the oil we will not hear word on this forum!
Allocation is fair to all,apart from the people who actually own the oil and i don't see them screaming here.
Imo - N6,138,603,846.12 ($38.19m) pop 4m
kaduna - 43m$ pop 6m
So kaduna gets 13% more then imo but has a population 50% more so who is getting more per head?Do your maths before you start the usual screaming as if igbos suffer most in Nigeria.

Who says Kaduna has more people than Imo state? Or even any state south of Abuja?

ekt_bear:

Heh. They look small because they are small.

In fact in comparison to states in the North, almost all the Southern States are smaller

ekt_bear:

Heh. They look small because they are small.

Have you heard about small but mighty?

Agreed. Land-area wise, the largest states in the country are in the north,

Population-wise, not so much.

Dede1:

Have you heard about small but mighty?

Heh

Fair enough.

I'm not saying that having large land mass necessarily means anything. Point i'm making is that high pop density doesn't necessarily mean highest pop.