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| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by lonamy: 7:30am On Mar 08, 2012 |
Joagbaje: Brother JoAgbaje, You have no defense for your mentor this time around than to concor to the general opinion. The mistake we make in the Spiritual arena is the inability to help our leaders by putting constructive opinions to them. We see them as alpha and omega and make them feel the have absolute authority to whatever they say. At times, it is not the Holy Spirit that speaks, it is how some leaders feel it should be. That is why Apostle paul, when talking about marriage at times say, not the Holy Spirit but his personal emphasis. So there should be clear distinction between personal emphasis and when Holy Spirit is at work. Pastor Agbaje, you could contribute to the success of your leader by helping in certain areas where they are missing it. |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by diluminati(f): 7:51am On Mar 08, 2012 |
lonamy: He has never ever done that. he doesnt think his pastor can make a mistake. i think much of joagbaje's errors comes from the flimsy support for every word his pastors speaks without independent analysis and verification. |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by musKeeto(m): 8:46am On Mar 08, 2012 |
diluminati:Just like INEC, |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Joagbaje(m): 10:57am On Mar 08, 2012 |
lonamy: i will gladly do that. but convince me first thst he is wrong. |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Joagbaje(m): 10:58am On Mar 08, 2012 |
im waiting. |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Image123(m): 1:15pm On Mar 08, 2012 |
^ which one do you need to be convinced on? That God's got nothing to do with our body? Or that you simply replace an habit with another habit? Or that mastur.bation is just like playing football? |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by crossman9(m): 4:00pm On Mar 08, 2012 |
Posted by: Joagbaje Kabbalah is very explicit about the negative spiritual side-effects of self-service. The idea is as follows: Your seed is the material by which you procreate; it is the genetic material within you that allows you the opportunity to partner with G-d.When we let human seed go to waste, we squander G-d’s sacred and divine potential” 2 Timothy 3:4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God-- New Living Translation (©2007) They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, and love pleasure rather than God. English Standard Version (©2001) treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, New American Standard Bible (©1995) treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God Mast.urb.at.ion Jewish law clearly prohibits male mas.turb.ation. This law is derived from the story of Onan (Gen. 38:8-10), who practiced Reproduction interruptus as a means of birth control to avoid fathering a child for his deceased brother. G-d killed Onan for this sin. Although Onan's act was not truly mas.turb.ation, Jewish law takes a very broad view of the acts prohibited by this passage, and forbids any act of ha-sh'cha'tat zerah (destruction of the seed), that is, expulsion outside of the womanliness. In fact, the prohibition is so strict that one passage in the Talmud states, "in the case of a man, the hand that reaches below the navel should be chopped off." (Niddah 13a) The issue is somewhat less clear for women. Obviously, spilling the seed is not going to happen in female self-service, and there is no explicit Torah prohibition against female mas.turb.ation. Nevertheless, Judaism generally frowns upon female mas.turb.ation as "impure thoughts." Suggestions for Further Reading Rachel Biale's Women and Jewish Law (Paperback) (Kindle) contains many sections dealing with s,e,x,u,al issues, focusing on the woman's perspective. It addresses the laws of marital relations, sexuality outside of marriage, procreation and contraception, abortion and molestation. Rabbi Shmuley Boteach (known for his Shalom in the Home reality TV series) has a book coincidentally named Kosher S,e,x (Paperback) (Kindle) (and let me just say in my own defense: I was using that page title years before his book came out!). The book talks about sex in the context of a committed, loving relationship, trying to find a proper balance between deep friendship and passionate lovemaking, within the context of Jewish Law. if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by newmi(m): 10:00am On Mar 09, 2012 |
What is the difference between self-service and the process invoved in getting sperm samples for running test? |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by debosky(m): 11:13am On Mar 09, 2012 |
crossman Is Jewish law as you've quoted (non-biblical references) now the basis for Christianity? |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Knight1(m): 11:41am On Mar 09, 2012 |
Joagbaje: Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh-This is a commandment, not an advice las·civ·i·ous [luh-siv-ee-uhs] Show IPA adjective 1. inclined to lustfulness; wanton; lewd: a lascivious, girl-chasing old man. 2. arousing intimate desire: lascivious photographs. 3. indicating intimate interest or expressive of lust or lewdness: a lascivious gesture. Can you define self-service without the redded words or it's meaning? |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Image123(m): 1:30pm On Mar 09, 2012 |
newmi:What's the difference between sleep and death? You are a carnal minded slave of sin, no apologies. |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by crossman9(m): 9:41pm On Mar 11, 2012 |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by krisbill(m): 2:35pm On Mar 13, 2012 |
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh-This is a commandment, not an advice Pls don't be deceived self service is the act of the flesh that gratifies the lust of the flesh. since it oppose the command of God as written above, its there fore sinful PERIOD. Or how do describe an act that is forcing u to do it often beside the health effect and low self esteem attached to it. Do God support any practice that destroys his creature? cant the ignoramus think? The Solution for those under this evil and destructive habit is to Get closely related to God. and one sure way of overcoming this habit is to pray The HOLY ROSARY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DAILY. try it and see, it works like magic. Whenever u feel the urge to do it, just pray it and u will be relived quickly. Its a proof that there is a bad influential spirit behind it that gives way instantly because light and darkness cant meet. |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by crossman9(m): 3:40pm On Mar 13, 2012 |
The Solution for those under this evil and destructive habit is to Get closely related to God. and one sure way of overcoming this habit is to pray The HOLY ROSARY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DAILY. try it and see, it works like magic. Whenever u feel the urge to do it, just pray it and u will be relived quickly. Its a proof that there is a bad influential spirit behind it that gives way instantly because light and darkness cant meet. it works like magic As usual 95% of Christians fail to use discernment, yield to media manipulation, and embrace this “sugar coated” siren of witchcraft along with the deluded mass of the population little heeding a wide array of Biblical admonitions not to open the door to Satan who comes to devour as a roaring lion. Jesus said to Peter, “Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to have you, to sift you like wheat” (Luke 22:31) and that’s exactly what Satan will do if we don’t ask before reading a book, watching a movie, entering a relationship or pursuing any course of action “What would Jesus do?” Witchcraft involves the manipulation of the demonic host, through incantations and the casting of spells. Witchcraft can also involve communication with demonic spirits impersonating the dead. The Bible clearly teaches that the dead cannot communicate with the living as there is a great chasm separating the dead from the living (Luke 16:26). As discarnate spirit entities these demons possess knowledge regarding the activities of humans and have a limited to ability to foretell the future. Here are a few of the scriptures regarding witchcraft: The Old and New Testaments treat witchcraft as an evil, rebellious, and loathsome practice. Those who practiced it were not tolerated. “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live,” (Exodus 22:18). Moses cautioned the children of Israel: “When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable way of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord, and because of these detestable practices the Lord your God will drive those nations before you. You must be blameless before the Lord your God. The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the Lord has not permitted you to do so” (Deuteronomy 18:9-14). With respect to the evil kind Manasseh who reigned in Jerusalem fifty five years the Bible states: “He did evil in the eyes of the Lord, followed the detestable practices of the nations the Lord had driven out before the Israelites” (2 Chronicles 33:2). “He sacrificed his sons in the fire in the Valley of Ben Hinnom, practiced sorcery, divination and witchcraft, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the eyes of the Lord, provoking him to anger” (2 Chronicles 33:6). When Samuel reproved King Saul, he compared rebellion to the sin of divination and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Witchcraft includes both divination and idolatry. “For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the Lord, he has rejected you as king” (1 Samuel 23). If Saul was rejected by God for rebellion and arrogance so will a modern day person who practices or permits himself or herself to be entertained by witchcraft and idolatry. The Living Bible clearly addresses the fate of those who delve or as C. S. Lewis labeled “lust” for the occult: “The Lord has rejected you because you welcome foreigners from the East who practice magic and communicate with evil spirits” (Isaiah 2:6). “Crawl into the caves in the rocks and hide in terror from his glorious majesty, for the day is coming when your proud looks will be brought low; the Lord alone will be exalted. On that day the Lord of Hosts will move against the proud and haughty and bring them to dust… All the glory of mankind will bow low; the pride of men will like in the dust, and the Lord alone will be exalted. And all idols will be utterly abolished and destroyed” (Isaiah 2:10-18). Paul in Galatians 5:19-21 ascribes witchcraft as a deed of the flesh. “Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy, drunkenness, SinParties, and the like. I warn you, as I did before that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.” It is interesting to note that Paul’s warning is to the churches of Galatia whose members are already Christians. They are warned that by engaging in sinful conduct they would not inherit the kingdom of God. The warning is to those who have accepted Christ. The modern day Christian who is entertained or allows his or her children to be entertained and/or participate in the works of the flesh, which includes witchcraft, should give serious heed to this warning. White magic and black magic are not acceptable in Christianity and there is no such thing as “cheap grace”. Christ died on the cross to forgive us for our sins, yet there is no excuse to take sin lightly. Engaging in any sin including sorcery opens one to demonic oppression and with persistent sinful conduct possession. One cannot rationalize that one is not engaged in witchcraft but merely being entertained by books or movies whose characters participate in witchcraft, even though the protagonists are “good” witches. The protagonist Harry Potter in the best selling Harry Potter series of books and current movie attends Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry to become a wizard. Harry and his friends are taking classes in casting spells, magical drafts and potions, transfiguration, history of magic, magical theory etc… They are learning to become “good” wizards and witches. Evil is represented by the “Dark Side,” reminiscent of the “Dark Side” of the Force in “Star Wars,” and embodied (or disembodied and seeking to re-embody) in Voldemort, the evil wizard who killed Harry’s parents. Harry is characterized as an average boy who has been oppressed by his very normal aunt and uncle and his cousin, reminiscent of Cinderella’s oppression at home. The very normal family members are exaggeratedly oppressive. From a Christian paradigm the problem with Harry is that salvation from his predicament comes from leaving home learning witchcraft, a condemned practice. Children interact with ghosts such as the Friar and Professor Binns, a ghost who teaches the History of Magic. Professor Binns was a very old professor who had fallen asleep by a staff room fire and went to teach the next morning, leaving his body behind. Christianity teaches that witchcraft, even charming, candy coated witchcraft, is evil and that redemption only comes through Jesus Christ and certainly not from the occult. Communication with the dead is actually communication with demons or “fallen angels.” Casting spells is prohibited. Now they sin more and more; they make idols for themselves from their silver, cleverly fashioned images, all of them the work of craftsmen. It is said of these people, "They offer human sacrifice and kiss the calf-idols." Hosea 13:2 Now they sin more and more; they make idols for themselves from their silver, cleverly fashioned images, all of them the work of craftsmen. It is said of these people, "They offer human sacrifice and kiss the calf-idols." pray The HOLY ROSARY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DAILY. 1 Kings 19:18 Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel--all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and all whose mouths have not kissed him." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isaiah 44:17 From the rest he makes a god, his idol; he bows down to it and worships. He prays to it and says, "Save me; you are my god." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isaiah 46:6 Some pour out gold from their bags and weigh out silver on the scales; they hire a goldsmith to make it into a god, and they bow down and worship it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeremiah 10:4 They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 2:8 She has not acknowledged that I was the one who gave her the grain, the new wine and oil, who lavished on her the silver and gold--which they used for Baal. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 4:17 Ephraim is joined to idols; leave him alone! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 8:4 They set up kings without my consent; they choose princes without my approval. With their silver and gold they make idols for themselves to their own destruction. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 8:5 Throw out your calf-idol, O Samaria! My anger burns against them. How long will they be incapable of purity? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 8:6 They are from Israel! This calf--a craftsman has made it; it is not God. It will be broken in pieces, that calf of Samaria. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 10:5 The people who live in Samaria fear for the calf-idol of Beth Aven. Its people will mourn over it, and so will its idolatrous priests, those who had rejoiced over its splendor, because it is taken from them into exile. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 14:3 Assyria cannot save us; we will not mount war-horses. We will never again say 'Our gods' to what our own hands have made, for in you the fatherless find compassion."
1 Kings 19:18 Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel--all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and all whose mouths have not kissed him." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isaiah 44:17 From the rest he makes a god, his idol; he bows down to it and worships. He prays to it and says, "Save me; you are my god." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isaiah 46:6 Some pour out gold from their bags and weigh out silver on the scales; they hire a goldsmith to make it into a god, and they bow down and worship it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeremiah 10:4 They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 2:8 She has not acknowledged that I was the one who gave her the grain, the new wine and oil, who lavished on her the silver and gold--which they used for Baal. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 4:17 Ephraim is joined to idols; leave him alone! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 8:4 They set up kings without my consent; they choose princes without my approval. With their silver and gold they make idols for themselves to their own destruction. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 8:5 Throw out your calf-idol, O Samaria! My anger burns against them. How long will they be incapable of purity? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 8:6 They are from Israel! This calf--a craftsman has made it; it is not God. It will be broken in pieces, that calf of Samaria. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 10:5 The people who live in Samaria fear for the calf-idol of Beth Aven. Its people will mourn over it, and so will its idolatrous priests, those who had rejoiced over its splendor, because it is taken from them into exile. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 14:3 Assyria cannot save us; we will not mount war-horses. We will never again say 'Our gods' to what our own hands have made, for in you the fatherless find compassion." |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by crossman9(m): 3:40pm On Mar 13, 2012 |
The Solution for those under this evil and destructive habit is to Get closely related to God. and one sure way of overcoming this habit is to pray The HOLY ROSARY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DAILY. try it and see, it works like magic. Whenever u feel the urge to do it, just pray it and u will be relived quickly. Its a proof that there is a bad influential spirit behind it that gives way instantly because light and darkness cant meet. it works like magic As usual 95% of Christians fail to use discernment, yield to media manipulation, and embrace this “sugar coated” siren of witchcraft along with the deluded mass of the population little heeding a wide array of Biblical admonitions not to open the door to Satan who comes to devour as a roaring lion. Jesus said to Peter, “Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to have you, to sift you like wheat” (Luke 22:31) and that’s exactly what Satan will do if we don’t ask before reading a book, watching a movie, entering a relationship or pursuing any course of action “What would Jesus do?” Witchcraft involves the manipulation of the demonic host, through incantations and the casting of spells. Witchcraft can also involve communication with demonic spirits impersonating the dead. The Bible clearly teaches that the dead cannot communicate with the living as there is a great chasm separating the dead from the living (Luke 16:26). As discarnate spirit entities these demons possess knowledge regarding the activities of humans and have a limited to ability to foretell the future. Here are a few of the scriptures regarding witchcraft: The Old and New Testaments treat witchcraft as an evil, rebellious, and loathsome practice. Those who practiced it were not tolerated. “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live,” (Exodus 22:18). Moses cautioned the children of Israel: “When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable way of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord, and because of these detestable practices the Lord your God will drive those nations before you. You must be blameless before the Lord your God. The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the Lord has not permitted you to do so” (Deuteronomy 18:9-14). With respect to the evil kind Manasseh who reigned in Jerusalem fifty five years the Bible states: “He did evil in the eyes of the Lord, followed the detestable practices of the nations the Lord had driven out before the Israelites” (2 Chronicles 33:2). “He sacrificed his sons in the fire in the Valley of Ben Hinnom, practiced sorcery, divination and witchcraft, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the eyes of the Lord, provoking him to anger” (2 Chronicles 33:6). When Samuel reproved King Saul, he compared rebellion to the sin of divination and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Witchcraft includes both divination and idolatry. “For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the Lord, he has rejected you as king” (1 Samuel 23). If Saul was rejected by God for rebellion and arrogance so will a modern day person who practices or permits himself or herself to be entertained by witchcraft and idolatry. The Living Bible clearly addresses the fate of those who delve or as C. S. Lewis labeled “lust” for the occult: “The Lord has rejected you because you welcome foreigners from the East who practice magic and communicate with evil spirits” (Isaiah 2:6). “Crawl into the caves in the rocks and hide in terror from his glorious majesty, for the day is coming when your proud looks will be brought low; the Lord alone will be exalted. On that day the Lord of Hosts will move against the proud and haughty and bring them to dust… All the glory of mankind will bow low; the pride of men will like in the dust, and the Lord alone will be exalted. And all idols will be utterly abolished and destroyed” (Isaiah 2:10-18). Paul in Galatians 5:19-21 ascribes witchcraft as a deed of the flesh. “Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy, drunkenness, SinParties, and the like. I warn you, as I did before that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.” It is interesting to note that Paul’s warning is to the churches of Galatia whose members are already Christians. They are warned that by engaging in sinful conduct they would not inherit the kingdom of God. The warning is to those who have accepted Christ. The modern day Christian who is entertained or allows his or her children to be entertained and/or participate in the works of the flesh, which includes witchcraft, should give serious heed to this warning. White magic and black magic are not acceptable in Christianity and there is no such thing as “cheap grace”. Christ died on the cross to forgive us for our sins, yet there is no excuse to take sin lightly. Engaging in any sin including sorcery opens one to demonic oppression and with persistent sinful conduct possession. One cannot rationalize that one is not engaged in witchcraft but merely being entertained by books or movies whose characters participate in witchcraft, even though the protagonists are “good” witches. The protagonist Harry Potter in the best selling Harry Potter series of books and current movie attends Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry to become a wizard. Harry and his friends are taking classes in casting spells, magical drafts and potions, transfiguration, history of magic, magical theory etc… They are learning to become “good” wizards and witches. Evil is represented by the “Dark Side,” reminiscent of the “Dark Side” of the Force in “Star Wars,” and embodied (or disembodied and seeking to re-embody) in Voldemort, the evil wizard who killed Harry’s parents. Harry is characterized as an average boy who has been oppressed by his very normal aunt and uncle and his cousin, reminiscent of Cinderella’s oppression at home. The very normal family members are exaggeratedly oppressive. From a Christian paradigm the problem with Harry is that salvation from his predicament comes from leaving home learning witchcraft, a condemned practice. Children interact with ghosts such as the Friar and Professor Binns, a ghost who teaches the History of Magic. Professor Binns was a very old professor who had fallen asleep by a staff room fire and went to teach the next morning, leaving his body behind. Christianity teaches that witchcraft, even charming, candy coated witchcraft, is evil and that redemption only comes through Jesus Christ and certainly not from the occult. Communication with the dead is actually communication with demons or “fallen angels.” Casting spells is prohibited. Now they sin more and more; they make idols for themselves from their silver, cleverly fashioned images, all of them the work of craftsmen. It is said of these people, "They offer human sacrifice and kiss the calf-idols." Hosea 13:2 Now they sin more and more; they make idols for themselves from their silver, cleverly fashioned images, all of them the work of craftsmen. It is said of these people, "They offer human sacrifice and kiss the calf-idols." pray The HOLY ROSARY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DAILY. 1 Kings 19:18 Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel--all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and all whose mouths have not kissed him." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isaiah 44:17 From the rest he makes a god, his idol; he bows down to it and worships. He prays to it and says, "Save me; you are my god." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isaiah 46:6 Some pour out gold from their bags and weigh out silver on the scales; they hire a goldsmith to make it into a god, and they bow down and worship it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeremiah 10:4 They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 2:8 She has not acknowledged that I was the one who gave her the grain, the new wine and oil, who lavished on her the silver and gold--which they used for Baal. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 4:17 Ephraim is joined to idols; leave him alone! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 8:4 They set up kings without my consent; they choose princes without my approval. With their silver and gold they make idols for themselves to their own destruction. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 8:5 Throw out your calf-idol, O Samaria! My anger burns against them. How long will they be incapable of purity? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 8:6 They are from Israel! This calf--a craftsman has made it; it is not God. It will be broken in pieces, that calf of Samaria. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 10:5 The people who live in Samaria fear for the calf-idol of Beth Aven. Its people will mourn over it, and so will its idolatrous priests, those who had rejoiced over its splendor, because it is taken from them into exile. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 14:3 Assyria cannot save us; we will not mount war-horses. We will never again say 'Our gods' to what our own hands have made, for in you the fatherless find compassion."
1 Kings 19:18 Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel--all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and all whose mouths have not kissed him." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isaiah 44:17 From the rest he makes a god, his idol; he bows down to it and worships. He prays to it and says, "Save me; you are my god." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isaiah 46:6 Some pour out gold from their bags and weigh out silver on the scales; they hire a goldsmith to make it into a god, and they bow down and worship it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeremiah 10:4 They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 2:8 She has not acknowledged that I was the one who gave her the grain, the new wine and oil, who lavished on her the silver and gold--which they used for Baal. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 4:17 Ephraim is joined to idols; leave him alone! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 8:4 They set up kings without my consent; they choose princes without my approval. With their silver and gold they make idols for themselves to their own destruction. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 8:5 Throw out your calf-idol, O Samaria! My anger burns against them. How long will they be incapable of purity? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 8:6 They are from Israel! This calf--a craftsman has made it; it is not God. It will be broken in pieces, that calf of Samaria. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 10:5 The people who live in Samaria fear for the calf-idol of Beth Aven. Its people will mourn over it, and so will its idolatrous priests, those who had rejoiced over its splendor, because it is taken from them into exile. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 14:3 Assyria cannot save us; we will not mount war-horses. We will never again say 'Our gods' to what our own hands have made, for in you the fatherless find compassion." |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by crossman9(m): 3:43pm On Mar 13, 2012 |
The Solution for those under this evil and destructive habit is to Get closely related to God. and one sure way of overcoming this habit is to pray The HOLY ROSARY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DAILY. try it and see, it works like magic. Whenever u feel the urge to do it, just pray it and u will be relived quickly. Its a proof that there is a bad influential spirit behind it that gives way instantly because light and darkness cant meet. it works like magic As usual 95% of Christians fail to use discernment, yield to media manipulation, and embrace this “sugar coated” siren of witchcraft along with the deluded mass of the population little heeding a wide array of Biblical admonitions not to open the door to Satan who comes to devour as a roaring lion. Jesus said to Peter, “Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to have you, to sift you like wheat” (Luke 22:31) and that’s exactly what Satan will do if we don’t ask before reading a book, watching a movie, entering a relationship or pursuing any course of action “What would Jesus do?” Witchcraft involves the manipulation of the demonic host, through incantations and the casting of spells. Witchcraft can also involve communication with demonic spirits impersonating the dead. The Bible clearly teaches that the dead cannot communicate with the living as there is a great chasm separating the dead from the living (Luke 16:26). As discarnate spirit entities these demons possess knowledge regarding the activities of humans and have a limited to ability to foretell the future. Here are a few of the scriptures regarding witchcraft: The Old and New Testaments treat witchcraft as an evil, rebellious, and loathsome practice. Those who practiced it were not tolerated. “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live,” (Exodus 22:18). Moses cautioned the children of Israel: “When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable way of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord, and because of these detestable practices the Lord your God will drive those nations before you. You must be blameless before the Lord your God. The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the Lord has not permitted you to do so” (Deuteronomy 18:9-14). With respect to the evil kind Manasseh who reigned in Jerusalem fifty five years the Bible states: “He did evil in the eyes of the Lord, followed the detestable practices of the nations the Lord had driven out before the Israelites” (2 Chronicles 33:2). “He sacrificed his sons in the fire in the Valley of Ben Hinnom, practiced sorcery, divination and witchcraft, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the eyes of the Lord, provoking him to anger” (2 Chronicles 33:6). When Samuel reproved King Saul, he compared rebellion to the sin of divination and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Witchcraft includes both divination and idolatry. “For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the Lord, he has rejected you as king” (1 Samuel 23). If Saul was rejected by God for rebellion and arrogance so will a modern day person who practices or permits himself or herself to be entertained by witchcraft and idolatry. The Living Bible clearly addresses the fate of those who delve or as C. S. Lewis labeled “lust” for the occult: “The Lord has rejected you because you welcome foreigners from the East who practice magic and communicate with evil spirits” (Isaiah 2:6). “Crawl into the caves in the rocks and hide in terror from his glorious majesty, for the day is coming when your proud looks will be brought low; the Lord alone will be exalted. On that day the Lord of Hosts will move against the proud and haughty and bring them to dust… All the glory of mankind will bow low; the pride of men will like in the dust, and the Lord alone will be exalted. And all idols will be utterly abolished and destroyed” (Isaiah 2:10-18). Paul in Galatians 5:19-21 ascribes witchcraft as a deed of the flesh. “Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy, drunkenness, SinParties, and the like. I warn you, as I did before that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.” It is interesting to note that Paul’s warning is to the churches of Galatia whose members are already Christians. They are warned that by engaging in sinful conduct they would not inherit the kingdom of God. The warning is to those who have accepted Christ. The modern day Christian who is entertained or allows his or her children to be entertained and/or participate in the works of the flesh, which includes witchcraft, should give serious heed to this warning. White magic and black magic are not acceptable in Christianity and there is no such thing as “cheap grace”. Christ died on the cross to forgive us for our sins, yet there is no excuse to take sin lightly. Engaging in any sin including sorcery opens one to demonic oppression and with persistent sinful conduct possession. One cannot rationalize that one is not engaged in witchcraft but merely being entertained by books or movies whose characters participate in witchcraft, even though the protagonists are “good” witches. The protagonist Harry Potter in the best selling Harry Potter series of books and current movie attends Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry to become a wizard. Harry and his friends are taking classes in casting spells, magical drafts and potions, transfiguration, history of magic, magical theory etc… They are learning to become “good” wizards and witches. Evil is represented by the “Dark Side,” reminiscent of the “Dark Side” of the Force in “Star Wars,” and embodied (or disembodied and seeking to re-embody) in Voldemort, the evil wizard who killed Harry’s parents. Harry is characterized as an average boy who has been oppressed by his very normal aunt and uncle and his cousin, reminiscent of Cinderella’s oppression at home. The very normal family members are exaggeratedly oppressive. From a Christian paradigm the problem with Harry is that salvation from his predicament comes from leaving home learning witchcraft, a condemned practice. Children interact with ghosts such as the Friar and Professor Binns, a ghost who teaches the History of Magic. Professor Binns was a very old professor who had fallen asleep by a staff room fire and went to teach the next morning, leaving his body behind. Christianity teaches that witchcraft, even charming, candy coated witchcraft, is evil and that redemption only comes through Jesus Christ and certainly not from the occult. Communication with the dead is actually communication with demons or “fallen angels.” Casting spells is prohibited. Now they sin more and more; they make idols for themselves from their silver, cleverly fashioned images, all of them the work of craftsmen. It is said of these people, "They offer human sacrifice and kiss the calf-idols." Hosea 13:2 Now they sin more and more; they make idols for themselves from their silver, cleverly fashioned images, all of them the work of craftsmen. It is said of these people, "They offer human sacrifice and kiss the calf-idols." pray The HOLY ROSARY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DAILY. 1 Kings 19:18 Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel--all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and all whose mouths have not kissed him." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isaiah 44:17 From the rest he makes a god, his idol; he bows down to it and worships. He prays to it and says, "Save me; you are my god." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isaiah 46:6 Some pour out gold from their bags and weigh out silver on the scales; they hire a goldsmith to make it into a god, and they bow down and worship it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeremiah 10:4 They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 2:8 She has not acknowledged that I was the one who gave her the grain, the new wine and oil, who lavished on her the silver and gold--which they used for Baal. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 4:17 Ephraim is joined to idols; leave him alone! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 8:4 They set up kings without my consent; they choose princes without my approval. With their silver and gold they make idols for themselves to their own destruction. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 8:5 Throw out your calf-idol, O Samaria! My anger burns against them. How long will they be incapable of purity? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 8:6 They are from Israel! This calf--a craftsman has made it; it is not God. It will be broken in pieces, that calf of Samaria. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 10:5 The people who live in Samaria fear for the calf-idol of Beth Aven. Its people will mourn over it, and so will its idolatrous priests, those who had rejoiced over its splendor, because it is taken from them into exile. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 14:3 Assyria cannot save us; we will not mount war-horses. We will never again say 'Our gods' to what our own hands have made, for in you the fatherless find compassion."
1 Kings 19:18 Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel--all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and all whose mouths have not kissed him." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isaiah 44:17 From the rest he makes a god, his idol; he bows down to it and worships. He prays to it and says, "Save me; you are my god." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isaiah 46:6 Some pour out gold from their bags and weigh out silver on the scales; they hire a goldsmith to make it into a god, and they bow down and worship it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeremiah 10:4 They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 2:8 She has not acknowledged that I was the one who gave her the grain, the new wine and oil, who lavished on her the silver and gold--which they used for Baal. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 4:17 Ephraim is joined to idols; leave him alone! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 8:4 They set up kings without my consent; they choose princes without my approval. With their silver and gold they make idols for themselves to their own destruction. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 8:5 Throw out your calf-idol, O Samaria! My anger burns against them. How long will they be incapable of purity? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 8:6 They are from Israel! This calf--a craftsman has made it; it is not God. It will be broken in pieces, that calf of Samaria. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 10:5 The people who live in Samaria fear for the calf-idol of Beth Aven. Its people will mourn over it, and so will its idolatrous priests, those who had rejoiced over its splendor, because it is taken from them into exile. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hosea 14:3 Assyria cannot save us; we will not mount war-horses. We will never again say 'Our gods' to what our own hands have made, for in you the fatherless find compassion." |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by crossman9(m): 2:12pm On Mar 14, 2012 |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Bucacious: 4:28pm On Mar 19, 2012 |
I. Think wat is being discussed is if 'self-service is a sin'! I don't thiink it is coz if u will tag anything a sin,it should be if commited by married or single.I am married and my husband self services right before me wen I really don't want to av s.. Coz of sickness or any other reason best known to us! So will u say he was sinning? Also, I remember him going to the lab at a time to do Fluid analysis and he was told to self-service for them to analyze his Fluid,cud he be sinning 2! Rubbish! 1 Like |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Image123(m): 5:36pm On Mar 19, 2012 |
What is the work of the spambot? |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by crossman9(m): 6:56pm On Mar 20, 2012 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSt0CGppqpU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n83uvNexYS4 “self-service is not a sin” Pastor Chris Oyakhilome defends his false teaching with cleaver twists from the bible? During this video he likens self-service to eating and drinking and wearing clothes and dancing but he never defines sin he encourage you to buy more of his DVDs namely this one (The Concept of Sin) which I have posted on my page for all the people to watch. He does not even say he got it wrong in his attempts to defends his evil teaching and he dodges the question he almost got angry during his words you could describe it has agitation he was saying stop asking silly questions he implies we are imaging self-service as a “Sin” he is telling you it’s not what you did with you hand but it is your heart? 15:54 time record Pastor Chris Oyakhilome Defends self-service Is Not A Sin Part (1) |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by dadygeorge: 4:01pm On Mar 21, 2012 |
What is all the fuss about. When a man lusts after a woman by 10 am then self services by 10 pm. When did the sin occur?. 10 am of course. The person may not self-service at all but may just go on and have a drink replaying the scenes in his head. Does that mean he did not sin. What Pastor Chris is saying isimply is this: deal with the heart from which the sin emanates. The video is plain enough. Those who claim now to defend the gospel, on the day of judgement Jesus will demand an account of how many you brought to know Him ( fruit bearing ) not how much you accused the brethren! |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by seyibrown(f): 12:56pm On Mar 23, 2012 |
The answer to the question of whether self-service is a sin or not lies 1 Corinthians Chapter 7! Read it in the Spirit and with understanding! |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by ATMC(f): 11:32pm On Apr 23, 2012 |
@goshen nd others, mast.ur.b@tion is NOT a SIN...people believe dt what makes it a sin is d thought dt accompanies it but i want to ask u a question...those times u eat with negative thought or imagination, did eating become a sin? Nothing is wrong with eating rather with d thought so u change ur thought. D act on its own is not in anyway sin when carried out for d motive of self relief, d urge will always be there, its part of us just like hunger for food is part of us.when david was hungry, how did he satisfy himself...he ate d shew bread meant for priest, god does not see d way u see...one man may satisfy his intimate urge by adultery nd another by self relief nd its not of u to judge them. This is because he dt said do not commit adultery also said do not judge, so when u judge/condemn, u r no different from d person. MIND U, D ONLY PERSON PERMITTED TO REPLY ME IS HE WHO HAS NEVER DONE IT B4, ELSE PLS DON'T, RESERVE UR COMMENT. Again, who cares if u reject pastor chris' preaching if god approves him. Moreover pastor chris does not know dt u care less of his preaching. |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 5:28am On Apr 24, 2012 |
ATMC: @goshen nd others, mast.ur.b@tion is NOT a SIN...people believe dt what makes it a sin is d thought dt accompanies it but i want to ask u a question...those times u eat with negative thought or imagination, did eating become a sin? Nothing is wrong with eating rather with d thought so u change ur thought. D act on its own is not in anyway sin when carried out for d motive of self relief, d urge will always be there, its part of us just like hunger for food is part of us.when david was hungry, how did he satisfy himself...he ate d shew bread meant for priest, god does not see d way u see...one man may satisfy his intimate urge by adultery nd another by self relief nd its not of u to judge them. This is because he dt said do not commit adultery also said do not judge, so when u judge/condemn, u r no different from d person. MIND U, D ONLY PERSON PERMITTED TO REPLY ME IS HE WHO HAS NEVER DONE IT B4, ELSE PLS DON'T, RESERVE UR COMMENT. Again, who cares if u reject pastor chris' preaching if god approves him. Moreover pastor chris does not know dt u care less of his preaching. Seriously, am DONE with this topic IF NOT THE FACT THAT YOU MENTIONED MY I.D. Can you and I deal with this issue here step-by-step or do we create another thread to deal with this? We will explain biblical meaning of sin and ask/answer some basic questions about sin/mastubation. Let me know what you want and we delve into it. Thanks |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by nellyverre: 1:03pm On Apr 24, 2012 |
We have a big problem today as people can't differentiate between sin and works of the flesh.. Christ died for our sins and we have been sanctified as Christians once for all (Heb 10:10) The sacrifies of Christ on the cross does not temporally cover our sins as most people think but it took away our sins (all of them past, future and whatever)... Its unfortunate most believers have never really knowned what it means to be born again and receive Christ as your life. The fact that a believer walks in the flesh (being carnal) does not nullify what Christ did for him on the cross. But a carnal believer would have the experiences of a natural man and not profit of the values of the Christ life that is in him. I am not a pastor chris fan but we should seek true Christianity from human religious ideas of human dogoodism. Christianity is Christ nothing needed nothing added just Christ. And for those who don't know there is a new covenant and keep qouting scriptures of the old covenant and the laws of moses, please learn about the new covenant we are under now. |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 1:37pm On Apr 24, 2012 |
^^^ So shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Anti-PastChris(m): 2:41pm On Apr 24, 2012 |
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| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by nellyverre: 3:22pm On Apr 24, 2012 |
Goshen360: ^^^ Rom 6:2 Certainly not! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer? Rom 6:3 Are you ignorant of the fact that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? We are dead to sin and its not possible for us to live in it any longer, that is being baptized into the death of Christ... Read the whole of Romans 6 with an open mind to be thought of the spirit (if you are a Christian) and you will be thought... you can continue to study the letters of the apostle paul in the bible to learn more on this... Also you can listen to preachers of the gospel of Grace which is the gospel of Christ like Dr Shawn Smith, Joseph Prince, Bertie Britz to name a few websites where you can get free teachings... http://drshawnsmith.org/ http://dynamicministries.com |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 7:34pm On Apr 24, 2012 |
nellyverre: Thank you my brother. I understand your first post i gave that verse to call you back a little bit. What you did in that post #792 was one side of the truth and that is why i gave you a hint. I know you will definitely answer right. We have an obligation to balance the truth. This is what I have just done. Don't let anyone deceive you. Prove all things for yourself and hold on to the good ones. The fact is mastubation is NOT mentioned in black and white as sin in the bible BUT the truth is, IT IS A SIN. You can believe otherwise but am not going to keep going in circle about it anyway except you want us to prove it from scriptures. Besides, I listen to Joseph Prince very well but I will give others a shot. I believe it is wisdom to first study on my own as well as I listen to other great preachers that functions in the same grace as I do. Then I will be able to confirm within me when I listen to someone and know if that preacher is preaching truth or heresy or truth mixed with heresy,lolz. Thanks |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by crossman9(m): 12:14am On Apr 25, 2012 |
Goshen360 thank for the scriptures it is nice to see you i am working on new videos |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by crossman9(m): 12:46am On Apr 25, 2012 |
things that not clear in the bible, but does that make them right? Rubber dolls well that one is in not in the bible but would you use one the answer is no? Guns bows and arrows swords Paedophile intimate predator of kid’s children this word is not in the bible yet is wrong shall we abuse kids no is the answer The word drugs does not appear Cars Spy cameras Submarines And many other things are not mentioned in the bible by name does that not make them right They are under different names Cars are roaring chariots like lions or tanks It tells you that an eye shall be watching from the corner of every roof top in the last days this would a camera CCTV Drugs are in the book of Genesis 30:15 Mandrakes Revelation 21:8 (New King James) In this passage, the word 'sorcerers' comes from the Greek word 'pharmakos' (Strongs # 5332) which is derived from the Greek word 'pharmakon' and is defined in Strong's Greek Dictionary of the New Testament as follows: a druggist ("pharmacist"  or poisonerInteresting. |
| Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by nellyverre: 9:42am On Apr 25, 2012 |
Goshen360: Goshen360: Hey bro, thanks for your point..... Well if only one could be justified by their good deeds and laws then that one needs no savior... Gal 5:4(Amplified version) If you seek to be justified and declared righteous and to be given a right standing with God through the Law, you are brought to nothing and so separated (severed) from Christ. You have fallen away from grace (from God's gracious favor and unmerited blessing). As I said on my first post, sin is not an issue for the believer in Christ because it was taken away by Christ on the cross 2000 years ago. 2Co 5:21(King James version) For He has made Him who knew no sin, to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. CHRIST WAS MADE SIN EVEN THOUGH HE NEVER PERFORMED ANY ACTION OF SIN SOO WE CAN BE MADE RIGHTEOUS WITHOUT ANY PERFORMANCE ASWELL. Righteousness to the believer in Christ is a gift. Please study the word of God without religious traditions that would harden you heart to learn. I really hope we could have a more interactive environment to discuss on this realities of life. Thnks |
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