ayodele123:

Accept him as the head of the home even if he is younger than you and less financially blessed--yes

Respect him as the head of the home--yes

Obey him as long as it does not contravene the laws of the Lord.--yes

Make ''it'' available for him when he needs it.--yes

The man too must submit to his wife---
The man should not see his wife as a sex machine or as a slave to be abused---yes
The man should as a first requirement love his wife unconditionally, then the woman will submit voluntarily, willingly and lovingly.--yes

@Mutter-U r d best!

MY husband is everything and more to me. My best friend, my lover, my brother and my father, I do not consciously submit to him but it happens by reflex, but being humble and open helps a long way.

[quote][/quote]hmm, nice1

Dear Lord,
You said that whatever we ask in thy name, as long as we have faith, it shall be done to us your children.
So in this we ask thee Lord that may we all find wives like[b] mutter[/b] . . . Amen!
May our unborn children be as funny and intelligent as her son . . . amen!
May our legs never stray to the door of jezebels like queensmith . . . Amen!
Slap us Lord should we ever attempt to speak to women like ileobatojo
Help us Lord never to listen to wicked men like moremi2008
but help us to be everything that dasparrow told us you want us to be to our wives
In Jesus name we pray,
amen

lol- jezebels like me won't even look twice at the likes of you. you can trust me on that one!

ayodele123:

The man too must submit to his wife

Sounds like a recipe for confusion to. But please enlighten us how this would work in practice. I'm sure some would be interested to know and it would advance the discussion.

queensmith:

lol- jezebels like me won't even look twice at the likes of you. you can trust me on that one!

The Lord is working already. It would be a disaster to have you look at me even once.

on a serious level, the thought of it induces violent regurgitations.

queensmith:

on a serious level, the thought of it induces violent regurgitations.

You should not even bother thinking about that. I'm not even single. thanks but no thanks.

davidylan:

Dear Lord,
You said that whatever we ask in thy name, as long as we have faith, it shall be done to us your children.
So in this we ask thee Lord that may we all find wives like[b] mutter[/b] . . . Amen!
May our unborn children be as funny and intelligent as her son . . . amen!
May our legs never stray to the door of jezebels like queensmith . . . Amen!
Slap us Lord should we ever attempt to speak to women like ileobatojo
Help us Lord never to listen to wicked men like moremi2008
but help us to be everything that dasparrow told us you want us to be to our wives
In Jesus name we pray,
amen

copied, printed and posted on my wall to recite every morning.
jezebels like queensmith - the thought alone induces projectile vomiting.

who said anything about being single david. . . . . . hehehehehehehe. *sighs* then *vomits*

all this yada yada yada- check

yada yada yada- check

yada yada yada- check

doesnt work for all guys jare.



you can be 1000% submissive and then find the beloved weathercock man running after the baddest mamajama in town.

na only prayer oh!!!

queensmith:

who said anything about being single david. . . . . . hehehehehehehe. *sighs* then *vomits*

just passing by . . . . *whistling* . . . . madam "raised to be a dokita".
Na only you go school abi.

@tpia I actually find its the submissive churchy ones that land in more trouble than others. . .

First, submissive means, tobe obedient. As for the wife or a woman, the woman was a product of a man, that is y de called woman. For the wife, the husband is the head of the house, while the wife is an helper or a supporter. For the wife tobe submissive dose not make her a full no! But to purport her husband not to compete with him even when is wrong. So been submissive as a wife will make her stay long with her husband. More so, been submissive as a wife is a sign of sacrifice in marriage.

davidylan:

Dear Lord,
You said that whatever we ask in thy name, as long as we have faith, it shall be done to us your children.
So in this we ask thee Lord that may we all find wives like[b] mutter[/b] . . . Amen!
May our unborn children be as funny and intelligent as her son . . . amen!
May our legs never stray to the door of jezebels like queensmith . . . Amen!
Slap us Lord should we ever attempt to speak to women like ileobatojo
Help us Lord never to listen to wicked men like moremi2008
but help us to be everything that dasparrow told us you want us to be to our wives
In Jesus name we pray,
amen

Amen!

rotfl

davidylan:

Dear Lord,

Slap us Lord should we ever attempt to speak to women like ileobatojo

Slap ke? God abeg all those that try to speak to another man’s wife, give them clothesline and body slam!!!

Marriage is the most overrated thing in the world
period.
:l

So it would seem.

^^So it would seem.

davidylan:

Dear Lord,
You said that whatever we ask in thy name, as long as we have faith, it shall be done to us your children.
So in this we ask thee Lord that may we all find wives like[b] mutter[/b] . . . Amen!
May our unborn children be as funny and intelligent as her son . . . amen!
May our legs never stray to the door of jezebels like queensmith . . . Amen!
Slap us Lord should we ever attempt to speak to women like ileobatojo
Help us Lord never to listen to wicked men like moremi2008
but help us to be everything that dasparrow told us you want us to be to our wives
In Jesus name we pray,
amen

Oh, you have no choice! You WILL listen to me when I become your President!

I haven't said anything wicked in this thread at all (although I do confess so some wickedness in OTHER threads). The husband is not the wife's God. They should both submit to themselves in love. Some excusing village misogyny with the Bible and misinterpreting Pauline theology as a excuse for barbaric and antiquated ideas about marriage and love.

Do I want my future wife to respect me? Absolutely yes! Do I want her to submit to me in love and I to her in return? Yes! But the moment I chronically start to lay my hands on her or cheat on her, I fully expect her to protect herself. Marriage is NOT a jail cell. Divorce can be an option in certain cases that involve infidelity and physical abuse. Men need to stop thinking they have to imprison their wives with false theology to be respected and honored. There are easier and better ways to get a woman to die for you tori-torun and call you Big-Daddy in and out of bed - it all begins with loving and respecting her like Jesus has loved us, flaws and all.

I think I have said enough on this thread. Preaching to savages is a waste of time.

For me submission is a decision by the woman to allow her man to take the lead in matters. It implies meekness (which is have power/influence but using it for a greater good not selfish ends). It is required of women to submit in all matters however women must use wisdom in allowing their opposing views to be know. Do not get into a shouting match/fight with your man because you are right and he is wrong; it will only lead to dis-harmony in the home. Instead use your female charms to make him see reason. Believe me he will never make a major decision without consulting you again.

If you desire harmony in the home, women submit. As someone pointed out in previous post don't marry a drunkard or a cheat or a violent man because you still required to submit so best you do not make such a choice.

being submissive has to come from both sides

Dear Lord,
You said that whatever we ask in thy name, as long as we have faith, it shall be done to us your children.
So in this we ask thee Lord that may we all find wives like mutter . . . Amen!
May our unborn children be as funny and intelligent as her son . . . amen!
May our legs never stray to the door of jezebels like queensmith . . . Amen!
Slap us Lord should we ever attempt to speak to women like ileobatojo
Help us Lord never to listen to wicked men like moremi2008
but help us to be everything that dasparrow told us you want us to be to our wives
In Jesus name we pray,
amen

hahahahahahahahaha

Quote from: ayodele123 on Yesterday at 05:21:57 PM
The man too must submit to his wife

TV01
Sounds like a recipe for confusion to. But please enlighten us how this would work in practice. I'm sure some would be interested to know and it would advance the discussion.
 



@TV01
   You want to know why the man must also submit to his wife?
   The man is the head while the woman is the neck. right?
The head cannot turn on its own without the neck turning just as the neck cannot turn without turning the head too
The man who wants real peace in his life,home and marriage must not see himself as a God ordained dictator who must compel submission from his wife. If a man wants to enjoy his wife's submission, coming voluntarily from her, he must first of all know how to attend to his wife's details. Attending to his wife's details is to place her interests above his and that is what love is all about. What is love? Love is a self-sacrificing loyal concern for the welfare of the other. This means that the welfare of the other, the wife comes first.
The husband who sees himself as a dictator is the one who strives to enforce Ephesians 5:22 ahead of Ephesians 5:25.
Sounds strange? Get more from the signature below www.maritalsuccessresource.com
This is the reason why many women are not submitting and many marriages and husbands are groaning.
Every husband is his wife's first son because he sucked her breasts first ahead of the children born n the marriage.

ayodele123:



@TV01
   You want to know why the man must also submit to his wife?
   The man is the head while the woman is the neck. right?
The head cannot turn on its own without the neck turning just as the neck cannot turn without turning the head too
The man who wants real peace in his life,home and marriage must not see himself as a God ordained dictator who must compel submission from his wife. If a man wants to enjoy his wife's submission, coming voluntarily from her, he must first of all know how to attend to his wife's details. Attending to his wife's details is to place her interests above his and that is what love is all about. What is love? Love is a self-sacrificing loyal concern for the welfare of the other. This means that the welfare of the other, the wife comes first.
The husband who sees himself as a dictator is the one who strives to enforce Ephesians 5:22 ahead of Ephesians 5:25.
Sounds strange? Get more from the signature below www.maritalsuccessresource.com
This is the reason why many women are not submitting and many marriages and husbands are groaning.
Every husband is his wife's first son because he sucked her bosoms first ahead of the children born n the marriage.

U r 100% correct! pls r u married?

ppl especially men like enforcing verses of d bible dat favour dem

it is so funny that even unbelievers expect submission 4rm dier wives after fornicating left right center

d only ppl dat deserve submission r does who r wholeheartedly living 4 God and can sacrifice EVERTHING for their wives, as CHRIST did 4 d church.

ayodele123:

[color=#990000]Quote from: ayodele123 on Yesterday at 05:21:57 PM

@TV01
   You want to know why the man must also submit to his wife?
   The man is the head while the woman is the neck. right?
The head cannot turn on its own without the neck turning just as the neck cannot turn without turning the head too

Not sure what your point is here? So let me give you opportunity to explain before I disagree.
Being the head denotes "authority", being the neck doesn't. One submits to authority. Authority resides with the husband. If they submit to one another, who yeilds in the case of an impasse? Who has authority?

The head/neck union also denotes the two being one. And the mutually complimentary nature of the relationship. It is not speaking to authority as such.

ayodele123:

The man who wants real peace in his life,home and marriage must not see himself as a God ordained dictator who must compel submission from his wife. If a man wants to enjoy his wife's submission, coming voluntarily from her, he must first of all know how to attend to his wife's details. Attending to his wife's details is to place her interests above his and that is what love is all about. What is love? Love is a self-sacrificing loyal concern for the welfare of the other. This means that the welfare of the other, the wife comes first.
The husband who sees himself as a dictator is the one who strives to enforce Ephesians 5:22 ahead of Ephesians 5:25.
Sounds strange? Get more from the signature below www.maritalsuccessresource.com
This is the reason why many women are not submitting and many marriages and husbands are groaning.
Every husband is his wife's first son because he sucked her bosoms first ahead of the children born n the marriage.

All you have detailed here is what the bible commands of husbands - Love and sacrifice. It doesn't ask him to submit to his wife. Your position is simply wrong. You are conflating two seperate notions.

Nobody has said the husband should be or is asked to be a dictator. Submission to authority is given, not forced. Submission and authority are intertwined. There can't be two authorities.

Lots of scripture, but non showing where a husband should submit to his wife.

Best
TV

[quote author=maryini link=topic=880401.msg10302172#msg10302172 date=1330547145
it is so funny that even unbelievers expect submission 4rm dier wives after fornicating left right center---hmm, May God save us ooh!

d only ppl dat deserve submission r does who r wholeheartedly living 4 God and can sacrifice EVERTHING for their wives, as CHRIST did 4 d church.---Gbam!
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@TV
   You seem to misunderstand. The carnal mind cannot discern the things of the spirit. Wisdom is the principal thing. Marriage is a mystery.
   Love and submission flow together. A husband should love his wife and the wife should submit to her husband. Husband and wife are one flesh, not two. 1 plus 1 equals to 1 is the Bible standard in Marriage.
  In many marriages, the husband expects his wife to submit first before he loves her. This is absolutely wrong. What love is there if the woman must first submit before she is loved?where then is the sacrifice? Is it then not a master-servant relationship? And marriage is not a master-servant relationship. A man submitting to his wife does not imply that the man will become her slave who washes her clothes or bows at her feet in worship. Husband and wife are to submit to each other and love one another as members of one body. For instance,Some husbands will have a wrong opinion of an issue. the wife has a better idea but the man refuses to see her better point because he is the head(Ego),and will go headlong in his error and may regret it. there are husbands who will never ever listen to a wife's opinion even if hers is better and more reasonable to execute and will rather implement their own wrong opinion and come out with regrets. It has happened in many homes. Headship of the home does not imply that the husband must have his ways every time in every situation in the home. Submission to each other in the fear of the lord is a statement in Ephesians 5:21 and it applies to every body, every relationship including husbands and wives.CASE CLOSED!

davidylan, you are mean
Queensmith
Stop vomiting, you might be spilling out the little sense you have in there. ow can you be taking paracetamol for stomach ache. Besides the way you home must be smelling now, have no fear n o man will intrude.
Submission certainly does not mean losing ones self.
We all submit every day in our life to laws and regulations. At work we submit to our bosses. If you have an innovative idea at work but the company does not want to implement it does it make you a slave or someone that is weak and without a mind? Do you get rude and storm out? This you do for a mere income.
Now here you have a woman in a family, there is more at stake than just a mere income and you think that submission is out of place- strange.
The few times I ever pleaded with my husband to let me have my way, even though he was against it always backfired. i had to come back and admit that it was a wrong decision and I wished he had stopped me.
Through my submission I have gained myself unimaginable freedom in my marriage. For instance my husband is not in any way a social person but he lets me go out even all night long. This is because he knows that he can trust me and that I would never do it without his blessing. Even if he says you can go if you want to, I will never go. He needs to let me know that he approves it. He also knows exactly where I am and most times it is a social function so he has no problems.
He has also never had a problem with women or men calling this house or visiting me.
Since most of my decisions are rational, he also hardly objects, so I find it hard to imagine where I am missing out.
Most time when he opposes my suggestion, I thank him for his advice. I am intelligent enough to reason that he is right and that I was on the wrong lane.
Sometimes it does happen that his own decision was wrong. Even then I still accept it. I certainly tell him my opinion but let him know that I submit to his decision.
Eventually he also comes back to me to admit I was right. I think making those mistakes was also very important in building our marriage because he had to make them to appreciate that I was right and also even more important- that i loved him and respected him enough to accept and stand behind the wrong decisions.
That`s how you build a marriage. Today we both know where our strong points and weak points are.
When it comes to decision making - I make most of them today because my husband knows I am very competent, most especially when it pertains to the children.
When it comes to finances- I submit to my husband. This is because in this regard he is more competent. I can be somewhat spontaneous and he is very reasonable with money. To be honest I had to struggle some years with that one,  
Do I loose my identity because I clean and cook, pet and spoil him?- certainly not he is my first baby in the house. I do the same for all my kids.
Do I loose my identity because I apologise, even when I am not necessarily to blame?- Certainly not because apologising is a good way of opening the door for the man to apologise and admit his fault, while retaining his pride. When you apologise you are apologising for what you did wrong, which might have been raising your voice or getting rude.