After reading the two posts below:

https://www.nairaland.com/904132/boko-haram-mend-igbo-tribalists#10499638

https://www.nairaland.com/904122/americas-destablization-plot-againt-nigeria

I think the "ultimate prize" in Nigeria are the Bight of Bonny, and the Bight of Benin to an extent. I want NL's resident intellectual to explain what's at stake and who will win "ultimate prize."

Hey, I'm a newbie when it comes to 'Nigerian Intellectualism' - and I'll like to learn from a lot of people on here.

Please, feel free to post what you think - there are no right or wrong answers - everything depends on your point of view.

Cheers.

shymmex: After reading the two posts below:

https://www.nairaland.com/904132/boko-haram-mend-igbo-tribalists#10499638

https://www.nairaland.com/904122/americas-destablization-plot-againt-nigeria

I think the "ultimate prize" in Nigeria are the Bight of Bonny, and the Bight of Benin to an extent. I want NL's resident intellectual to explain what's at stake and who will win "ultimate prize."

Hey, I'm a newbie when it comes to 'Nigerian Intellectualism' - and I'll like to learn from a lot of people on here.

Please, feel free to post what you think - there are no right or wrong answers - everything depends on your point of view.

Cheers.

The first intellectual exercise is to admit that the disintegration of Nigeria is impossible, whether peacefully or via war. If it is attempted via war, that war will be perpetual like what we have in Somalia with the casaulty rates similar to those of Rwanda. That will never happen here.

Peaceful separation is virtually impossible because we'll never agree on the sharing of our joint assets. The best we can hope for is some sort of managed chaos for the next 10 - 20 years.

To this end, the USA dismissed assessments that religion was the primary driver of the BH violence. The United States has already approached Nigeria to open a consulate in the flash point city of Kano.

A US consulate in Kano would give USA a presence in the north diplomatically but it would also give us an opportunity to expand development assistance activities into the north. The Nigerian government Fed & State has hitherto abandoned the masses in the North resulting in extreme poverty and lack of education. The USA is planning to help correct some of this marginalization while pressuring the Nigerian government to do the same. The Chinese are also going to chip in with these development activities. The current upgrade of the Kano international airport is in furtherance of the development objectives I am talking about.

Massive intelligence aid, military training and joint efforts, will dramatically increase to ward off increasing threats by Al Queada.

Look for sophisticated amphibian training vessels for the great Nigerian Navy operated by Nigerians with US support to deal with thieving and oil bunkering criminals who are hiding out deep in the creeks. There will be no hiding place for them given the sophisticated technologies that will be used to smoke them out.

Its a great time to be a Nigerian. Better days are on their way, secessionists will lose in the end.

Depends on how you look at it. Alliances could be made, wars may be fought. Those areas (the two Bights) belongs (98%) to the Niger Delta people. The remaining 2% will go to the Yorubas - Ondo/Edo axis (and that's a lot by the way!). There really isn't anything to benefit from anywhere other than making alliances with the people who have the highest say in what goes on in those two Bights.

And when the other tribes come around to make any kind of alliance ''proposal'', they must come pleading - this time around, there isn't anything like the ''British handed the place to us to rule forever'' talks.

And if talks get nasty and some ''rule forever'' people decide to get crazy and aggressive, as they're wont to be, then the Niger Delta people will be ready to teach them a lesson of their life about begging when you know you don't have anything to offer.

ono: Depends on how you look at it. Alliances could be made, wars may be fought. Those areas (the two Bights) belongs (98%) to the Niger Delta people. The remaining 2% will go to the Yorubas - Ondo/Edo axis (and that's a lot by the way!). There really isn't anything to benefit from anywhere other than making alliances with the people who have the highest say in what goes on in those two Bights.

And when the other tribes come around to make any kind of alliance ''proposal'', they must come pleading - this time around, there isn't anything like the ''British handed the place to us to rule forever'' talks.

And if talks get nasty and some ''rule forever'' people decide to get crazy and aggressive, as they're wont to be, then the Niger Delta people will be ready to teach them a lesson of their life about begging when you know you don't have anything to offer.

Ono and Beaf indubitably suffer from either Grandiose delusion or delusions of grandeur.

ndu_chucks: Ono and Beaf indubitably suffer from either Grandiose delusion or delusions of grandeur.

What name would you give your own delusion then? All people like you have done is convert half your home population to almajiri's, while coverting the fruits of far away lands. The days of slavery in Nigeria are long gone; get used to reality.

If you attempt violence on us, you will be remorselessly smashed to smithereens.

ndu_chucks:

The first intellectual exercise is to admit that the disintegration of Nigeria is impossible, whether peacefully or via war. If it is attempted via war, that war will be perpetual like what we have in Somalia with the casaulty rates similar to those of Rwanda. That will never happen here.

Peaceful separation is virtually impossible because we'll never agree on the sharing of our joint assets. The best we can hope for is some sort of managed chaos for the next 10 - 20 years.

To this end, the USA dismissed assessments that religion was the primary driver of the BH violence. The United States has already approached Nigeria to open a consulate in the flash point city of Kano.

A US consulate in Kano would give USA a presence in the north diplomatically but it would also give us an opportunity to expand development assistance activities into the north. The Nigerian government Fed & State has hitherto abandoned the masses in the North resulting in extreme poverty and lack of education. The USA is planning to help correct some of this marginalization while pressuring the Nigerian government to do the same. The Chinese are also going to chip in with these development activities. The current upgrade of the Kano international airport is in furtherance of the development objectives I am talking about.

Massive intelligence aid, military training and joint efforts, will dramatically increase to ward off increasing threats by Al Queada.

Look for sophisticated amphibian training vessels for the great Nigerian Navy operated by Nigerians with US support to deal with thieving and oil bunkering criminals who are hiding out deep in the creeks. There will be no hiding place for them given the sophisticated technologies that will be used to smoke them out.

Its a great time to be a Nigerian. Better days are on their way, secessionists will lose in the end.

I agree with the part of your post bolded in italics - but I disagree with the other bolded part. When are we going to start accepting that America don't care about Nigerians nor Nigeria - and they're at the forefront of everything wrong with Nigeria - in alliance with the UK. If America is who you're depending on, I'll prefer we break up - so, US can go phuck itself.

ono: Depends on how you look at it. Alliances could be made, wars may be fought. Those areas (the two Bights) belongs (98%) to the Niger Delta people. The remaining 2% will go to the Yorubas - Ondo/Edo axis (and that's a lot by the way!). There really isn't anything to benefit from anywhere other than making alliances with the people who have the highest say in what goes on in those two Bights.

And when the other tribes come around to make any kind of alliance ''proposal'', they must come pleading - this time around, there isn't anything like the ''British handed the place to us to rule forever'' talks.

And if talks get nasty and some ''rule forever'' people decide to get crazy and aggressive, as they're wont to be, then the Niger Delta people will be ready to teach them a lesson of their life about begging when you know you don't have anything to offer.

I disagree with the bolded part. Itsekiri land is yoruba land - and Yorubas own at least 80% of the Bight of Benin - and the other 20% belongs to the Ijaws.

shymmex:

I agree with the part of your post bolded in italics - but I disagree with the other bolded part. When are we going to accepting that America don't care about Nigeria nor Nigeria - and they're at the forefront of everything wrong with Nigeria - in alliance with the UK. If America is who you're depending on, I'll prefer we break up - so, US can go phuck itself.

The fact remains that the modus operadi of ALL nations is primarily self interest. At this point in US history, their No. 1. enemy is Al Quaeda and they will do all in their power that any part of Nigeria does not become Al Queada stronghold. The realities is that America does care about Nigeria because a destabilized Nigeria could cause a major economic and security problem for America.

I submit to you that they (America) will exhaust every means available to them to ensure that the country(Nigeria) does not disintegrate. Its not about depending on America to rescue our country, its a matter of using friendly resources in the best interest of our country. I welcome billions of dollars into Nigeria if the money is used to educate and develop our land. Frankly, I'd appreciate some drones as well so that we can smoke out MEND terrorists and Al Qaeda elements in our country.

Two major reasons why Nigeria will not disintegrate anytime soon are (1) Oil (2) Al Quaeda

shymmex: After reading the two posts below:

https://www.nairaland.com/904132/boko-haram-mend-igbo-tribalists#10499638

https://www.nairaland.com/904122/americas-destablization-plot-againt-nigeria

I think the "ultimate prize" in Nigeria are the Bight of Bonny, and the Bight of Benin to an extent. I want NL's resident intellectual to explain what's at stake and who will win "ultimate prize."

Hey, I'm a newbie when it comes to 'Nigerian Intellectualism' - and I'll like to learn from a lot of people on here.

Please, feel free to post what you think - there are no right or wrong answers - everything depends on your point of view.

Cheers.

The bight of bonny in its present state needs just a little bit of work here and there while the bight of benin (outside lagos and delta's coastline) will need a lot of work to be put to good use.
So the regions who these bights belong to are both winners.

ndu_chucks:

The fact remains that the modus operadi of ALL nations is primarily self interest. At this point in US history, their No. 1. enemy is Al Quaeda and they will do all in their power that any part of Nigeria does not become Al Queada stronghold. The realities is that America does care about Nigeria because a destabilized Nigeria could cause a major economic and security problem for America.

I submit to you that they (America) will exhaust every means available to them to ensure that the country(Nigeria) does not disintegrate. Its not about depending on America to rescue our country, its a matter of using friendly resources in the best interest of our country. I welcome billions of dollars into Nigeria if the money is used to educate and develop our land. Frankly, I'd appreciate some drones as well so that we can smoke out MEND terrorists and Al Qaeda elements in our country.

Two major reasons why Nigeria will not disintegrate anytime soon are (1) Oil (2) Al Quaeda

This is a beer parlor conjecture. You once referenced to the purpose of new American consulate in Kano State or lack thereof. I must urge to look deeper than you have done already.

shymmex:

I disagree with the bolded part. Itsekiri land is yoruba land - and Yorubas own at least 80% of the Bight of Benin - and the other 20% belongs to the Ijaws.

Can you even speak Itsekiri, punk?

ndu_chucks:

The fact remains that the modus operadi of ALL nations is primarily self interest. At this point in US history, their No. 1. enemy is Al Quaeda and they will do all in their power that any part of Nigeria does not become Al Queada stronghold. The realities is that America does care about Nigeria because a destabilized Nigeria could cause a major economic and security problem for America.

I submit to you that they (America) will exhaust every means available to them to ensure that the country(Nigeria) does not disintegrate. Its not about depending on America to rescue our country, its a matter of using friendly resources in the best interest of our country. I welcome billions of dollars into Nigeria if the money is used to educate and develop our land. Frankly, I'd appreciate some drones as well so that we can smoke out MEND terrorists and Al Qaeda elements in our country.

Two major reasons why Nigeria will not disintegrate anytime soon are (1) Oil (2) Al Quaeda

Frankly, don't you think there is something seriously wrong with being spoonfed fir a lifetime?

ndu_chucks:

The fact remains that the modus operadi of ALL nations is primarily self interest. At this point in US history, their No. 1. enemy is Al Quaeda and they will do all in their power that any part of Nigeria does not become Al Queada stronghold. The realities is that America does care about Nigeria because a destabilized Nigeria could cause a major economic and security problem for America.

I submit to you that they (America) will exhaust every means available to them to ensure that the country(Nigeria) does not disintegrate. Its not about depending on America to rescue our country, its a matter of using friendly resources in the best interest of our country. I welcome billions of dollars into Nigeria if the money is used to educate and develop our land. Frankly, I'd appreciate some drones as well so that we can smoke out MEND terrorists and Al Qaeda elements in our country.

Two major reasons why Nigeria will not disintegrate anytime soon are (1) Oil (2) Al Quaeda

Frankly, don't you think there is something seriously wrong with being spoonfed for a lifetime?

careytommy:

Frankly, don't you think there is something seriously wrong with being spoonfed for a lifetime?

Please explain who is spoon feeding who.

Bight of Bonny is going where ever the igbos are going., and the Bight of Benin is going where ever the yorubas are going.

There will never be niger delta, you see, it is just the govt shouting niger delta because jonathan goodluck is there for his own politics game. it does not exit.
Jonathan Goodluck is just using it as a political porn. He know amachie is an igboman. and he know the history of port harcourt. He knows all story. But he is using the issue for his own only political gain. How do you give amachie to the ijaw. are you going to change amachie name.

ndu_chucks:

Please explain who is spoon feeding who.

Alhaji, this is a funny question indeed. Just check out whose hand is holding the spoon in your mouth.
My broda, go and invest just half the energy you waste on the Niger Delta and oil in your immediate environment; personally save an almajiri or two and see if your core-North will not become paradise over night. Instead of doing the right thing, your heart is set on trickery, filching and stealing.

Beaf:

Can you even speak Itsekiri, punk?

Yet the demented punk would want to decide the limits of Igbo land. If Yoruba own 80% of Bight of Benin, what is left for Itsekiri and Ijo? Could someone tell this loudmouthed punk to stop reading ethnic maps of Nigeria seen through Google?

ndu_chucks:

Please explain who is spoon feeding who.

In the quoted comment, you highlighted two things. Oil and security.
When is the north going to take their destiny into their own hands?

Dede1:

Yet the demented punk would want to decide the limits of Igbo land. If Yoruba own 80% of Bight of Benin, what is left for Itsekiri and Ijo? Could someone tell this loudmouthed punk to stop reading ethnic maps of Nigeria seen through Google?

Dede, you accidentally clicked to reply Beaf instead of Shymmex.

Beaf:

Can you even speak Itsekiri, punk?

Can you speak Ijaw, mad man?

Dede1:

Yet the demented punk would want to decide the limits of Igbo land. If Yoruba own 80% of Bight of Benin, what is left for Itsekiri and Ijo? Could someone tell this loudmouthed punk to stop reading ethnic maps of Nigeria seen through Google?

Are Itsekiris not Yorubas? I thought you said you only care about Igbo land and your Bight of River Niger, huh?

Igboland is not landlocked, it has access to River Niger.

I laugh in Anioma Igbo!

shymmex:

Can you speak Ijaw, mad man?

Just as I cannot speak Ijaw, so you cannot speak a word of Itsekiri. Please, leave us alone and mind your own territory.
Do you see Itsekiri people going about calling themselves Yoruba? Ole.

Beaf:

Just as I cannot speak Ijaw, so you cannot speak a word of Itsekiri. Please, leave us alone and mind your own territory.
Do you see Itsekiri people going about calling themselves Yoruba? Ole.

Your territory, huh? If and when Nigeria disintegrates, we'll have to redraw the borders. I'm Yoruba, and I know where yorubaland starts and ends. It starts from the whole of Itsekiri land to parts of Kogi and Kwara - and ends in Lagos.

We either stay as one, or every tribe takes what rightfully belongs to its people, period.

shymmex:

Your territory, huh? If and when Nigeria disintegrates, we'll have to redraw the borders. I'm Yoruba, and I know where yorubaland starts and ends. It starts from the whole of Itsekiri land to parts of Kogi and Kwara - and ends in Lagos.

We either stay as one, or every tribe takes what rightfully belongs to its people, period.

You are little more than an expansionist thief. Ok?
Go and take care of Ilaje people who are currently discriminated against. This is an Ilaje settlement, whereas an Itsekiri man is governor of Delta state and Itsekiri's are fully in the mainstream. See how your Ilaje's live like animals, even though they provide oil bearing lands; why would any Itsekiri want to be used in this way?

Phuck off. Ole.

Beaf:

You are little more than an expansionist thief. Ok?
Go and take care of Ilaje people who are currently discriminated against. This is an Ilaje settlement, whereas an Itsekiri man is givernor of Delta state. See how humans live like animals, even though they provide oil bearing lands; why would any Itsekiri want to be used in this way?

Phuck off. Ole.

You can post as many pictures as you want, the Bight of Benin is our "ultimate prize" as Yorubas. We own it, and we'll defend it.

Sorry but Niger-Delta is not Igboland. Any idiot who thinks both have anything in common needs to have his/her muthafu<kin head examined. Capish?

Mavor: Sorry but Niger-Delta is not Igboland. Any idiot who thinks both have anything in common needs to have his/her muthafu<kin head examined. Capish?

GBAM!!

One Nigeria!!

shymmex:

You can post as many pictures as you want, the Bight of Benin is our "ultimate prize" as Yorubas. We own it, and we'll defend it.

"Ultimate prize?" Lol!
A worthless shrimp like you cannot not even speak for its own toilet, talkless for Yoruba land.

"Ultimate prize?" Human beings and their ancestral lands in this century?
Don't cause a wistful tear to pop out of Ciroma's beady read eyes and the crack of a cringworthy smile to appear on Hitlers gory remains.

Rally your pride to take care of Ilaje people. Id!ot.

these days we all claim niger delta and oil! the summary of oil & nigeria equals to a bunch of lazy people! those of arguing about oil permit me to ask,what intellectual and physical input did you make to warrant the presence of oil?

@shymmex,
Ok. Granted 70% (don't claim 80% o! the itsekiri's will fight you with their last drop of blood for that 10% difference o!) No wahala. Itsekiri will never agree with the Yorubas as one of their offshoot o. I have several Itseke friends, and they simply don't buy that ''Itsekiri is Yoruba too'' bull crap. Go figure.

Back to your entry: Fact remains that if push comes to shove, the Niger Delta people will hold their own o! And any dreamer who thinks he can play the British colonial card at that level will be taught the toughest lesson of his life.

shymmex:

Your territory, huh? If and when Nigeria disintegrates, we'll have to redraw the borders. I'm Yoruba, and I know where yorubaland starts and ends. It starts from the whole of Itsekiri land to parts of Kogi and Kwara - and ends in Lagos.

We either stay as one, or every tribe takes what rightfully belongs to its people, period.

is there really anything called itsekiriland in this 2012? I thought the itsekiri,isoko,uhrobo share thesame land areas and are confortable with eachother?