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goshen360:

This is the basis of your common sense right? I gave the Yes answer knowing that is where you are coming. Now, Let me dismantle your so called common sense when it comes to the word of God. Do you really know what the windows of heaven you talked about meant when it is opened to tithe payers? Don't common sense tell you also that you are doing something on ignorance basis when God commands and promised something but you are doing in falsehood expecting the windows of heaven in blessings? Again, how does your common sense argue those that don't pay tithe to any church but are super rich? How does your common sense explain that?

prettyrich: Devil's incarnate,Boko Haram like u.

ndu_chucks:

Don't try to unnecessarily make a very simplistic concept appear complicated so that you can appear to have some vast uncommon knowledge. My friend, whenever you receive blessings from God, it comes throw the proverbial windows of heaven. That too is common sense! When you make charitable contributions tithe or not, there is an implicit and explicit expectations of blessings from God which essentially come through the said proverbial window of heaven.

You 'religious' people act as if you are not supposed to use your God given brains, atimes. SMH

prettyrich: na wah for u oh,which one be ur own self

goshen360: ^^^
Okay, come back to our point now. Can your same common sense explain why people that don't pay this same tithe are super rich?

You seems not to understand the core of the matter. May be if your common sense can explain why other people that don't pay this "monster" called tithe to church are still super rich than even those that pays it, then you will simply understand the core of the matter.

Waiting sir.

ujchief: @goshen and enigma, how convenient for u to quote deut 14 to drive in ur point that tithing should be of farm produce and shared among widows, yet when we quote malachi 3 and leviticus, u're fast to disprove it and brand it 'old testament and old law', this is hypocrisy in 3-dimensions.
U're quick to sugest logical explanations of the bible from ur own point of view, just to drive in ur point, but when ndu chuks tries to explain the scriptures from his own point of view, u insist that scriptures must be given scriptural interpretations from the bible, another hypocrisy in 8-mp camera lens.
Christ stated it boldly, 'He did not come to abolish the law but to fufil it', then why are u insisting that the law had been abolished?

goshen360:

Okay, Frist, le'me apoligize that I jumped to conclusion that you didn't know the Abraham tithe was taken to the levitical law. Sorry about that.

Second, you agreed that the account of Hebrews changed the Abraham tithe that was carried to the levitical tithing and you later came back that it doesn't change the fact that Jesus APPROVED TITHING BY SAYING THIS OUGHT TO HAVE DONE AND NOT NEGLECT THE OTHER, Matt 23:23. I have a good news for you as i perceive you have a heart to learn the truth, if only you will follow the truth. Now I give you another assignment to read the whole of Matthew 23 in context. But to help you ma, In verse 23, Jesus was talking to the scribes and Pharisees and DID NOT APPROVE TITHE BUT IT WAS WOE. If you don't think so, then verse 3 of matthew 23 gives you the answer where Jesus SPECIFICALLY TOLD HIS DISCIPLES NOT TO DO ACCORDING TO THE WORKS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES. v1-3 of matthew 23. This is the reason the Apostles that are disciples of Jesus cannot teach the early christians tithing.

Third, you talked about the anointing oil. I will not jump to conclusion about your knowledge on anointing oil at this time but permit me to "guess". The way Holy Spirit is received in the NT is not when oil is poured on believers. Do you study well again ma. In addition, see my response below:



God bless you ma, Ijila

funkei: Goshen response is very apt and most correct. I do not know why Christians would not follow the teachings of Christ( Christ said you do not put new wine into old bottles Luke 5.37).
There is no way the laws of tithe can be observed in the contemporary church of today, that explains why it was not commanded by Christ nor his Apostles.
The Tithes was for the Chidren of Levi for an inheritance Num 18. 21 and the Levites were not to own property as they had no inheritance in the land Num 18.20.
In the Church of today every Christian is a Levite and should give willingly as he purposeth in his heart 2 Cor 9 . 7. Above all giving should be motivated by love( for God and man). Righteous giving of what you have prompted by love as instructed by our Lord in Luke 6 ;30 - 37. Remember the very popular verse on Giving; Luke 6 :38( Give it shall be given unto you)was premised on Luke 6:30 - 37.
Let Christian Teachers teach on Love( Matt 5: 44 - 48 and Giving of Alms Matt 6: 1- 4. Why are we not emphasizing the teachings of Christ. Let us check our Bible very well! How many times did Christ talked about Love and Righteousness? Every Chapter.
Virtually every part of the teachings of Christ encapsulates Love and Rightousness as seen in the Gospel(Matt - John). How many times did Christ talked about Tithe (3 times and not encouragingly as it was in condemning the Pharisees).
The Apostles continued in the same manner as Christ and made no reference to tithe as it is not in the Apostles Doctrine(True Christian teachings). But check out the Apostles teachings on Love and Rightousness( All the Epistles). Giving of self is what is emphasized Rom 12 1-2.

Nobody can practice tithing as in the old testament Mal 3, Num 18, Lev 27 and many others. The Shekel was the currency in Isreal and they never gave tithes in money but farm produce.
How come Christ who is now the High Priest of Malachi did not collect Tithe that was why he had no money for Temple Tax. How come Christ did not instruct the Apostles when He commissioned them in Matt 10: 8 to freely give the gospel, even when they were to preach among only the Jews.

The dispensation of tithe as in Mal 3 : 8 ended with the coming of Christ. We should remember that it was only the Levites of old that were exclusively the priestly family and Christ was from the family of Judah and would not have met the criterion if the Judaic laws were to apply.

If Mal 3 : 8 were to apply, then only Christians and specifically tithe paying ones would be prosperous and all others would have been suffering from the curse of Mal 3: 8.
Let Christians submit their hearts fully to Christ and a heart for Christ gives the inclination to give bountifully even more than the controvertial 10 percent that was never collected by Christ nor His apostles.

goshen360: @ Ijila,

I challenge you eat your so called tithe next time and see if God will still not bless you (Deuteronomy 14:22-29).

Zikkyy:

My brother this is dangerous ooh you don't just dish out this kind of advice you should know the implication of the lady chopping her tithe if NEPA take power while she is watching her favorite program on t.v. it will because her tithe is outstanding same thing if she eat bad food and develop stomach upset or even if she goes to the saloon and the hairstylist does a bad job in fact, everything will be attributed to the outstanding remittance. You want the lady to loose her sanity abi for some tithers, checking into rehab will be required to clean their system of the pastoral poison

suegbe: THis is very interesting. Now i can see why Christianity in Nigeria has outclassed Islam in terms of moronic followership. Many of our muslim brothers and sisters cannot read the Holy Quran which was primarily written in Arabic (though it has now been translated into other languages, English inclusive), so, they rely on the teachings and interpretations of the Alfas and Imams which they often hold on to as the divine truth. That inform the various extremist tendencies they displayed even in the face of monumental evidence in the Holy Quran to the contrary. For example, i have an English version of the Quran which i read from time to time and which have endeared Islam to me, i have not read the part where the Prophet Muhammad preached suicide attacks or slaying of innocents souls after chanting ''Allahu Akbar''. The Quran was even clear about knowledge and information ''seek for knowledge even if the knowledge is in China''

Many Nigerian christians especially the so called ''believers'' are bible illiterates. I wonder whatever happened to them over the years. When we were growing up, the Sunday School was there to really teach and encourage us to sturdy the Bible on our own. When the Reverend is quoting out of context, you may not confront him but at least you would know in your mind that that was not what the Bible said. But what do you have today? Our so called ''believers'' borrowed from their Muslim brothers and sisters. THey simply do not know ''no jack'' about the Bible. THey go to church to listen and worship ''Daddy G,O''. They accept hook line and sinker what ''Reverend, Doctor, Bishop'' tells them every sunday and they are not encourage to verify such whereas the Bibles says ''investigate all matters thoroughly and uphold the truth''

THe christians of today are spiritual zombies, this, at their own peril. THey wanted the easiest way out but unfortunately for them, there will be no excuse.

Christ's teaching was very simple and ordinary but most valuable and this was one of the major problems he had with the social and political elites of his time. They were expecting some ''Holy, Professor, Bishop, Pope, THe Most Supreme Imam, His Most Righteousness'' or at least somebody with closer titles, but the savior was born in a manger of parents in 'e' socio-economic class and expectedly, they were blind to his Divine origin.

In the entire bible, giving all the challenges of interpretations and conservations of eons, Christ message was unarguably, the clearest, the simplest, the easiest to understand but ashamedly to mankind, the most misquoted, misinterpreted, misconstrued, tweaked, abused and devalued. THese to the perils of mankind. His mission was complete and his message was comprehensive.

So back to the discourse, Jesus Christ did not preach tithing. Jesus Christ did not accept tithes. Jesus Christ taught us about compassion, love, kindness, humility and especially Love to our neighbour as the greatest deed of all, pleasing to God and not paying tithe to ''The Reverend Doctor G.O''

suegbe: THis is very interesting. Now i can see why Christianity in Nigeria has outclassed Islam in terms of moronic followership. Many of our muslim brothers and sisters cannot read the Holy Quran which was primarily written in Arabic (though it has now been translated into other languages, English inclusive), so, they rely on the teachings and interpretations of the Alfas and Imams which they often hold on to as the divine truth. That inform the various extremist tendencies they displayed even in the face of monumental evidence in the Holy Quran to the contrary. For example, i have an English version of the Quran which i read from time to time and which have endeared Islam to me, i have not read the part where the Prophet Muhammad preached suicide attacks or slaying of innocents souls after chanting ''Allahu Akbar''. The Quran was even clear about knowledge and information ''seek for knowledge even if the knowledge is in China''

Many Nigerian christians especially the so called ''believers'' are bible illiterates. I wonder whatever happened to them over the years. When we were growing up, the Sunday School was there to really teach and encourage us to sturdy the Bible on our own. When the Reverend is quoting out of context, you may not confront him but at least you would know in your mind that that was not what the Bible said. But what do you have today? Our so called ''believers'' borrowed from their Muslim brothers and sisters. THey simply do not know ''no jack'' about the Bible. THey go to church to listen and worship ''Daddy G,O''. They accept hook line and sinker what ''Reverend, Doctor, Bishop'' tells them every sunday and they are not encourage to verify such whereas the Bibles says ''investigate all matters thoroughly and uphold the truth''

You are on point!

THe christians of today are spiritual zombies, this, at their own peril. THey wanted the easiest way out but unfortunately for them, there will be no excuse.

Christ's teaching was very simple and ordinary but most valuable and this was one of the major problems he had with the social and political elites of his time. They were expecting some ''Holy, Professor, Bishop, Pope, THe Most Supreme Imam, His Most Righteousness'' or at least somebody with closer titles, but the savior was born in a manger of parents in 'e' socio-economic class and expectedly, they were blind to his Divine origin.

In the entire bible, giving all the challenges of interpretations and conservations of eons, Christ message was unarguably, the clearest, the simplest, the easiest to understand but ashamedly to mankind, the most misquoted, misinterpreted, misconstrued, tweaked, abused and devalued. THese to the perils of mankind. His mission was complete and his message was comprehensive.

So back to the discourse, Jesus Christ did not preach tithing. Jesus Christ did not accept tithes. Jesus Christ taught us about compassion, love, kindness, humility and especially Love to our neighbour as the greatest deed of all, pleasing to God and not paying tithe to ''The Reverend Doctor G.O''

Goshen360: @ OP,

You will notice it's only when it comes to tithe that all these verses from OLD TESTAMENT are pull up. I am doing a comprehensive teachings on tithe and will take up to 2 months or more to finish it here on NL considering questions and answers. It's all about using the bible to explain the bible and interpreting the bible in CONTEXT.

Stone your rebellious sons to death, they will tell you we are under the grace and not under the Law so we cannot do that anymore. Why is it ONLY tithe they STILL STICK to in the Old Testament? Why? But the tithe teachers will never let you see or want you to see this verse in Deuteronomy 14:21-29 nkjv but am not quoting all here, you can read for yourself:

v22: "You shall truly tithe all the increase of your grain that the field produces year by year.

v23: "And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name abide, the tithe of your grain and your new wine and your oil, of the firstborn of your herds and your flocks, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.

The biblical tithe as you can see IF TRULY NEEDS TO BE PRACTICED SHOULD BE FROM FARM PRODUCE NOT MONEY TITHE. MONEY EXISTED IN THOSE DAYS BUT GOD NEVER ASKED HIS PEOPLE TO TITHE MONEY. GOD IS SPECIFIC WHEN IT COMES TO INSTRUCTIONS. If you read the whole of that verse, God also told them to use the tithe when converted to MONEY, it should be used for WHATEVER YOUR HEART DESIRES. v25-26.

Above all, Jesus said: If you can "do it" to any of these ones, you have done it to me. My dear sister, GO YOUR WAY WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT IT TWICE AND GIVE YOU BROTHER IN NEED. THIS IS TRUE RELIGION IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. Read the book of James chapter 1:27 - 2:end.

Tithe had being abolished in the new testament but we are left with GIVING that comes from our heart, that is cheerful, that is spirit led not according to law of Moses.

mollie12:

Guy, either you don't have a firm command of English language or you have resorted to malicious twisting of scripture to serve your end. If its the latter, I strongly advise you to repent of your ways.

In Luke 18:12 it was a PHARISEE and not Jesus speaking! And no, the second verse was not a teaching on tithing but a rebuke to the pharisees.

My advice to you and joe4christ is to get off the blackcurrant ribena you are being fed by your pastor or church and go and get the real truth by reading the bible for yourselves. Else you'll be the ones condemned for heresy.

Tithing is NOT mandated under the new covenant that was established by Jesus Christ. All that was required as far as financial givings by early Christians was a weekly collection according to how God had prospered them (1 corinthians 16:2) for their fellow brethren and support for their ministers (2 corinthians 9). If you want to dedicate one percent, ten percent or even fifty percent of your income to the church do so of your own freewill, but don't start cooking up scare tactics to coerce others into doing so. God is more concerned about the dedication of our hearts rather than our pockets towards Him. And its a big, bold lie that evangelism efforts are held back when we don't pay tithes - that is unscriptural. Evangelism efforts are hampered when WE hold back ourselves ("The harvest is plenty, but the workers are few".)

Mark Miwerds: Luke 18:12 clearly reveals that Jesus said the Pharisee said he tithed of all he possessed.

But did the Pharisee say this? According to verse 9, the account of the Pharisee and the Publican was a parable. A parable is a fictitious narrative conveying a Spiritual Truth. The fact is, when Jesus said, "The Pharisee prayed thus within himself. Lord, I thank Thee that I am not as other men. I fast twice a week, I give tithes of all I possess...", he was telling a fictitious story to get the hearer to realize the Biblical truth that 'pride goeth before a fall and a haughty spirit before destruction.' Jesus was illustrating to the hearer that God accepts the humble and rejects the proud.

Did the Pharisee really tithe all he possessed as he claimed? A careful study of the Word of God should give you the answer as being 'No, he did not tithe all he possessed.' Pharisees claimed to do things that they did not do in order to look exalted. Notice:

Matthew 23:3 (KJV) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

The Pharisees say they do things, but in reality they do not do them. So, no, they do not 'give tithes of all they possess.'

Leviticus 27 tells us what God's Holy tithe consists of. 'the seed of the land, the fruit of the tree, and every tenth animal that passes under the rod.' The Pharisee could not tithe all that he possessed."

chaikie:
My dear God will bless u eternally for ur reply....was about tellin her similar tin before i read ur comment. Thank God dat we stil have true christians and God fearing ones at dat in NL.OP u better keep dat tithe for God coz he had not commanded us to give it to ppl instead the Bible says in
Mal 3:10 - Bring all the tithes into the storehouse so
there will be enough food in my Temple.
If you do," says the LORD of Heaven's
Armies, "I will open the windows of
heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing
so great you won't have enough room to
take it in! Try it! Put me to the test!.....so be wise. And for those ranting against Men of God,i feel so sorry for u guys coz u dont know d gravity of wat u re gettin into.