lagerwhenindoubt:

Is that where your logic ends - No probs, i choose to keep an open mind.. Atheism helps you keep an open mind thus allowing your to grasp without bias. it has improved my life a whole lot Having the moral courage to live life without the tether of some infantile divine entity is an exercise in Honesty and Truth (even when you don't have all the information at hand). You have not grasped what Atheism is even if you can define it as you just did. which is why your posts are always tainted with emotional outburst that look very much like the Religion(ists) you criticize so strongly

If a drunkard becomes an atheist does it mean that the atheist becomes less of a drunkard or just an atheistic drunkard?


What are we if not our emotions? I use my emotions to my benefit. People feel the power behind my words

logicboy:

If a drunkard becomes an atheist does it mean that the atheist becomes less of a drunkard or just an atheistic drunkard?


What are we if not our emotions? I use my emotions to my benefit. People feel the power behind my words

only when you abuse them - it does not add value to the words themselves not does it make them true

lagerwhenindoubt:

only when you abuse them - it does not add value to the words themselves not does it make them true

I dont insult except when i am insulted first

What exactly is davidylan yapping about?. . .He acknowledges that is mythical beliefs are based on faith (believing in something not because it is true but because you want it to be true) and not reason or logic, yet he goes around haranguing others that do not accept his mythical beliefs and superstitions?. . .

How does lack of belief in mythology makes some one a coward?. . .This guy has truly lost it. . .

ea7: @jioe for christ pls can you post the isiah a virgin will givebirth chapter. I want to point something out.

King James Bible
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is
given: and the government shall be upon his
shoulder: and his name shall be called
Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The
everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

[size=15pt] So bring it on, i'm listening! [/size]

ahem. I said the virgin will be with child and bear....immanuel chapter. Post the whole chapter. It can be found on bible sites, just copy and paste.

mazaje: What exactly is davidylan yapping about?. . .He acknowledges that is mythical beliefs are based on faith (believing in something not because it is true but because you want it to be true) and not reason or logic, yet he goes around haranguing others that do not accept his mythical beliefs and superstitions?. . .

How does lack of belief in mythology makes some one a coward?. . .This guy has truly lost it. . .

You just noticed?

ea7: ahem. I said the virgin will be with child and bear....immanuel chapter. Post the whole chapter. It can be found on bible sites, just copy and paste.

Maybe you need to check it for yourself. Isaiah 7:14

mazaje: What exactly is davidylan yapping about?. . .He acknowledges that is mythical beliefs are based on faith (believing in something not because it is true but because you want it to be true) and not reason or logic, yet he goes around haranguing others that do not accept his mythical beliefs and superstitions?. . .

How does lack of belief in mythology makes some one a coward?. . .This guy has truly lost it. . .

You just noticed?

Lol, Davidlyar trolling NL religion section for the last 5 years.. hopefully logicboy can learn a few tricks from him..
https://www.nairaland.com/47056/mohammed-never-yawned-all-life

musKeeto:

Lol, Davidlyar trolling NL religion section for the last 5 years.. hopefully logicboy can learn a few tricks from him..
https://www.nairaland.com/47056/mohammed-never-yawned-all-life

Davidylan has style. That thread that you linked was dead funny!

Davidylan is a troll but he is a troll with style.

@ poster , u should have keep shut.

mr joe4christ did you read my post @ all. I said i want to point sumtin out 2 everyone. Now imma gonna have to use a link.qumran.com/Refuting_Christianity/isaiah_chapter_7.htm

ea7: mr joe4christ did you read my post @ all. I said i want to point sumtin out 2 everyone. Now imma gonna have to use a link.qumran.com/Refuting_Christianity/isaiah_chapter_7.htm

And you think isaiah chapter 7 is the only scripture that prophecied about the coming of christ?

Sorry, but you are'nt as knowledgable as i earlier thought.
Do you know there are about 420 scriptures in the old testament that prophecied about Jesus?

Here are some other scriptures you might not have come across - the following are just sample out of the numerous scripture that foretold about the birth, ministery, suffering and agony of christ, death ressurection and even ascention of Jesus christ.

Isaiah 9:6-7 [6] For to us a child is born, to us a son is
given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And
he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. [7] Of the increase of
his government and peace there will be no end. He will
reign on David's throne and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it with justice and
righteousness from that time on and forever

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a
sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a
son, and will call him Immanuel.

Mattthew 1:20-23 [20] But after he had considered this,
an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and
said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary
home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is
from the Holy Spirit. [21] She will give birth to a son, and
you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save
his people from their sins." [22] All this took place to
fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet:
[23] "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a
son, and they will call him Immanuel" --which means,
"God with us."

FROM THE HOUSE OF JUDAH
Isaiah 37:31 Once more a remnant of the house of Judah
will take root below and bear fruit above. 700 B.C.
Matthew 1:1-2, 16 [1] A record of the genealogy of Jesus
Christ the son [descendant] of David, the son of Abraham:
[2] Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of
Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,
[16] and [a later] Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband
of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
FROM THE ROOT AND STUMP OF JESSE
Isaiah 11:10 In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a
banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and
his place of rest will be glorious. 700 B.C.
Isaiah 11:1-5 [1] A shoot will come up from the stump of
Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit. [2] The
Spirit of the LORD will rest on him-- the Spirit of wisdom
and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power,
the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD--
[3] and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not
judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he
hears with his ears; [4] but with righteousness he will
judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the
poor of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of
his mouth; with the breath of his lips he will slay the
wicked. [5] Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness
the sash around his waist. 700 B.C.
Romans 15:12 And again, Isaiah says, "The Root of Jesse
will spring up, one who will arise to rule over the nations;
the Gentiles will hope in him."
Matthew 1:1-2a, 5-6, 16 [1] A record of the genealogy of
Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham:
[2] Abraham was the father of Isaac, ... [5] ... Obed the
father of Jesse, [6] and Jesse the father of King David.
[16] and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary,
of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
FROM THE HOUSE OF DAVID
Isaiah 16:5 In love a throne will be established; in
faithfulness a man will sit on it--one from the house of
David--one who in judging seeks justice and speeds the
cause of righteousness. 700 B.C.
Matthew 1:1-2A, 6, 16 [1] A record of the genealogy of
Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham:
[2] Abraham was the father of Isaac, ... [6] and Jesse the
father of King David. [16] and Jacob the father of Joseph,
the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is
called Christ.
BORN IN BETHLEHEM EPHRATHAH
Micah 5:2 But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are
small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for
me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are
from of old, from ancient times. 700 B.C.
Matthew 2:1 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea,
during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came
to Jerusalem
Over the years there have been a number of "Bethlehems"
in Israel. At the time of Jesus' birth, Bethlehem
Ephrathah, referred to in Matthew as "Bethlehem in
Judea", was a village about five miles south of Jerusalem,
and there also was a town named Bethlehem about seven
miles northwest of Nazareth. (Per footnote Matthew 2:1
of the Zondervan NIV Study Bible, 10th Anniversary
Edition, (c) 1995)
BE FROM NAZARETH OF GALILEE
Isaiah 9:1-2 [1] Nevertheless, there will be no more
gloom for those who were in distress. In the past he
humbled the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali,
but in the future he will honor Galilee of the Gentiles, by
the way of the sea, along the Jordan -- [2] The people
walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those
living in the land of the shadow of death a light has
dawned. 700 B.C.
Matthew 2:22-23 [22] But when he heard that Archelaus
was reigning in Judea in place of his father Herod, he was
afraid to go there. Having been warned in a dream, he
withdrew to the district of Galilee, [23] and he went and
lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was
said through the prophets: "He will be called a Nazarene."
Matthew 4:13-16 [13] Leaving Nazareth, he [Jesus] went
and lived in Capernaum, which was by the lake in the area
of Zebulun and Naphtali-- [14] to fulfill what was said
through the prophet Isaiah: [15] "Land of Zebulun and
land of Naphtali, the way to the sea, along the Jordan,
Galilee of the Gentiles -- [16] the people living in darkness
have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the
shadow of death a light has dawned."
HIS BIRTH WOULD TRIGGER A MASSACRE OF INFANT
BOYS
Jeremiah 31:15 This is what the LORD says: "A voice is
heard in Ramah, mourning and great weeping, Rachel
weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted,
because her children are no more." 625 B.C.
Matthew 2:16-18 [16] When Herod realized that he had
been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave
orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who
were two years old and under, in accordance with the
time he had learned from the Magi. [17] Then what was
said through the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled: [18] "A
voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning,
Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be
comforted, because they are no more."
An interesting side note: most people think that Herod
killed thousands of babies. However, Bethlehem was "in
the boondocks." The chances are that less than thirty
babies were killed.
COME OUT OF EGYPT
Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out
of Egypt I called my son. 725 B.C.
Matthew 2:14-15 [14] So he got up, took the child and
his mother during the night and left for Egypt, [15] where
he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled
what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of
Egypt I called my son."
MISSION WOULD INCLUDE THE GENTILES
Isaiah 49:6 he [the Lord] says: "It is too small a thing for
you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and
bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make
you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my
salvation to the ends of the earth." 700 B.C.
Isaiah 42:1-4, 6 [1] "Here is my servant, whom I uphold,
my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on
him and he will bring justice to the nations. [2] He will not
shout or cry out, or raise his voice in the streets. [3] A
bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he
will not snuff out. In faithfulness he will bring forth
justice; [4] he will not falter or be discouraged till he
establishes justice on earth. In his law the islands will put
their hope." [6] "I, the LORD, have called you in
righteousness; I will take hold of your hand. I will keep
you and will make you to be a covenant for the people
and a light for the Gentiles, 700 B.C.
Matthew 12:14-21 [14] But the Pharisees went out and
plotted how they might kill Jesus. [15] Aware of this,
Jesus withdrew from that place. Many followed him, and
he healed all their sick, [16] warning them not to tell who
he was. [17] This was to fulfill what was spoken through
the prophet Isaiah: [18] "Here is my servant whom I have
chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight; I will put my
Spirit on him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations.
[19] He will not quarrel or cry out; no one will hear his
voice in the streets. [20] A bruised reed he will not break,
and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out, till he leads
justice to victory. [21] In his name the nations will put
their hope."

www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm

what did you smoke. Did you realy think I hadnt seen all those?
Are you realy quoting matthew about fuflfilled prophecies, can you read all those chapters and verses and sincerely tell me they refer to prophecies-in context.
Where in Luke did joseph and mary flee to egypt?
Which two kings were attacking israel when Jesus was born?
Do you realise that pointitng out a lie casts doubt upon the whole testimony?

ea7: mr joe4christ did you read my post @ all. I said i want to point sumtin out 2 everyone. Now imma gonna have to use a link.qumran.com/Refuting_Christianity/isaiah_chapter_7.htm

the usual bleating about on the works of others. Please point out your "error". We are waiting to expose your folly.

Just to let you know, i have read your link...

Do you mind posting Isaiah chapter 7 completely then? I'm using a phone and it slows down whenever I copy paste huge items

and this relates to Jesus how? Read it for yourself, it clearly says a child will be born as a sign to Ahaz. That child was hezekiah.
A virgin conceiving isnt even a miracle, your mum was a virgin and she conceved, is that not so? The mental gymnastics required to make this fit Jesus sting.

ea7: and this relates to Jesus how? Read it for yourself, it clearly says a child will be born as a sign to Ahaz. That child was hezekiah.
A virgin conceiving isnt even a miracle, your mum was a virgin and she conceved, is that not so? The mental gymnastics required to make this fit Jesus sting.

and what mental gymnastics did you need to arrive at the above conclusion? Explain pls.

davidylan:

and what mental gymnastics did you need to arrive at the above conclusion? Explain pls.

none@ all, thinking about it, it refers to a child to be given to xahaz by a young woman as a sign for him to kee his faith, Hezekiah was probably born around that time. The prophecy was certainly not un any case refering to someone to be born a while later, that would be of no use.

ea7: none@ all, thinking about it, it refers to a child to be given to xahaz by a young woman as a sign for him to kee his faith, Hezekiah was probably born around that time. The prophecy was certainly not un any case refering to someone to be born a while later, that would be of no use.

Is this fool aware that Hezekiah was born at least 7 yrs BEFORE Ahaz himself became king? So how did you use mental gymnastics to arrive at the claim that the prophecy was for a son to be given to Ahaz long after he was born? Perhaps you shld read more before making a fool of yourself next time.

You just quote your masters without bothering to verify if what they are claiming is true abi? And you claim to be a follower of science? Useless boy.

I have a bible open beside me right now. Tell me David, how old were you when your balls dropped and you began to produce sperm, for me it was around 13-14.
The importance of the above is great. You said that Ahaz had hezekiah 7 yrs pre kingship, it was 9.
What you didn't say was that Ahaz became king at the age of 20. The implication, Ahaz had a son at the age of 11. Do you see how stupd that sounds?
Ref:2kings c16 v1-2
2 kings c18 v1-2
don't run away asshole, reply.

ea7: I have a bible open beside me right now. Tell me David, how old were you when your balls dropped and you began to produce sperm, for me it was around 13-14.
The importance of the above is great. You said that Ahaz had hezekiah 7 yrs pre kingship, it was 9.
What you didn't say was that Ahaz became king at the age of 20. The implication, Ahaz had a son at the age of 11. Do you see how stupd that sounds?
Ref:2kings c16 v1-2
2 kings c18 v1-2
don't run away asshole, reply.

It might sound stupid but the stupid person here would be you because that is actually FACTUALLY correct. Now lets trace some history (feel free to use wikipedia if you want).

2 chronicles 28:1 states very clearly - Ahaz was twenty years old when he began to reign; and he reigned sixteen years in Jerusalem; and he did not that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, like David his father;

Now we know 2 things - Ahaz began to sit on the throne of his fathers at 20 (actually he was vice regent with his father at 16), and reigned for 16 yrs.
i.e - Ahaz lived for a grand total of 36 yrs.

Now we know from history that Ahaz died in 716 BCE, the SAME YEAR Hezekiah, his son, ascended the throne.

If we then do our calculations - Ahaz was born in 752 BCE and died in 716 BCE (plus or minus one year).

Now go back to 2 Chronicles 29:1 (same as 2 Kings 18:1) for a second - Hezekiah began to reign when he was five and twenty years old; and he reigned nine and twenty years in Jerusalem; and his mother's name was Abijah the daughter of Zechariah.

If Hezekiah began to reign at 25 and WE KNOW that he ascended his father's throne at 716 BCE, by back calculating, we arrive at roughly a 739 - 741 BCE birth date for Hezekiah.

Now if Hezekiah was born in 739 BCE and Ahaz was born in 752 BCE, then we can assume Ahaz was about 13 when Hezekiah was born. Now i was just being conservative here, if we use the more apparently correct 741 BCE birth date for Hezekiah, that would mean Ahaz was 11 when his son was born.

Now if Ahaz had Hezekiah at 11 and became king at 20, that would tally EXCELLENTLY well with your own assertion that Ahaz had Hezekiah 9 yrs PRE-KINGSHIP!

Now how exactly do you explain Isaiah 7:14 being about a child of prophecy who was already way over 10 yrs old by the time of the alleged prophecy?

My dear ea7, when next you want to bleat, make sure you did your homework well.

ea7 is too ashamed to admit his folly? That's one less atheist who should make noise about "intelligence".

davidylan: ea7 is too ashamed to admit his folly? That's one less atheist who should make noise about "intelligence".

dont be silly. I actually have a life outside NL. I was saying an 11 yr old can not impregnate a girl.
1 he cant make s younger one preggers
2 an older girl would not do an 11 yr old.
It is unlikely. You are the one being silly, I was pointing out an absurdity which you claimed as fact, which is more likely, the extremely unlikely happens or someone lies/made a mistake? Pick wisely, I will refrain from insulting people or making snide comments about them for a while longer.

robjhyndman.com/musings/immanuel/ done by a chrissie.

ea7: dont be silly. I actually have a life outside NL. I was saying an 11 yr old can not impregnate a girl.
1 he cant make s younger one preggers
2 an older girl would not do an 11 yr old.
It is unlikely. You are the one being silly, I was pointing out an absurdity which you claimed as fact, which is more likely, the extremely unlikely happens or someone lies/made a mistake? Pick wisely, I will refrain from insulting people or making snide comments about them for a while longer.

The FACTS are what they are. You are clearly wrong. You are at liberty to debate the historical accuracy of Hezekiah's birth regardless of your factless opinionating.

Its amazing how you all suddenly develop "lives outside NL" when your own empty noisemaking is exposed. Prior to developing a life, you were camped here blathering about Is 7 for days in a row.

ea7: robjhyndman.com/musings/immanuel/ done by a chrissie.

As usual, when clueless... simply copy and paste a web article. Apart from the sheer inaccuracies in the article, i doubt you read the last portion that says thus - Of course, in hindsight, and with Matthew’s quotation of Isaiah 7, we know that the passage also predicted the virgin birth of Jesus who was “God with us” in a much richer sense than Hezekiah ever could have been.

Dumb.

davidylan:

As usual, when clueless... simply copy and paste a web article. Apart from the sheer inaccuracies in the article, i doubt you read the last portion that says thus - Of course, in hindsight, and with Matthew’s quotation of Isaiah 7, we know that the passage also predicted the virgin birth of Jesus who was “God with us” in a much richer sense than Hezekiah ever could have been.

Dumb.

do you ever stop to consider others at all. I read the entire article, I posted a christian view on purpose to show you thaty come christians agree with me. And you make more snide comments, well as your lord jesus said, by their fruits you shall know them.

davidylan sez:in hindsight, and with Matthew’s quotation of
Isaiah 7, we know that the passage also
predicted the virgin birth of Jesus who
was “God with us” in a much richer sense
than Hezekiah ever could have been .
Dumb.
Ea7 sez:I agree. That IS dumb.

davidylan:

The FACTS are what they are. You are clearly wrong. You are at liberty to debate the historical accuracy of Hezekiah's birth regardless of your factless opinionating.

Its amazing how you all suddenly develop "lives outside NL" when your own empty noisemaking is exposed. Prior to developing a life, you were camped here blathering about Is 7 for days in a row.

what facts? When something impossible(practically) is recorded in only one book with no other witnesses and said boo features dragons, cockatrices and unicorns, i dont think you assign that to the pile of facts. P.s when your own senseless blathering is revealed for what it is, you turn to ad hominem and riducule, and you are supposed to be a child of God, well as they say, likke father like son. P.ss pointing out that they dont agree with me completely is not a rebuttal, that is why i posted that specifically.

ea7: do you ever stop to consider others at all. I read the entire article, I posted a christian view on purpose to show you thaty come christians agree with me. And you make more snide comments, well as your lord jesus said, by their fruits you shall know them.

First of all they dont really agree with you. Its all baseless speculation. Did you read the last portion of the article you highlighted? I very much doubt it, so here it is again - Of course, in hindsight, and with Matthew’s quotation of Isaiah 7, [size=18pt]we know that the passage also predicted the virgin birth of Jesus who was “God with us” in a much richer sense than Hezekiah ever could have been[/size].

does that sound like someone who "agrees" with you or you're just willfully blind?