Nairaland Forum

mimifonwon:

clap for ya self you corrected me,still PH is part of igbo land by tradition, so your point, so i miss quoted the first capital of biafra, the fact is that PH is igbo land.

jp philips:


another lose ethnic jingoist on rampage , all these quarter to college boys that like wearing their flags of ignorance.

in-case your father didn't tell you, the core rivers, river rine parts of Rivers fought the Biafrans, it was only the upland that ran with ojukwu, even when ojukwu managed to advance to the remote rivers he was forcefully taking them as captive soldiers.
Saro wiwa and Adaka wanted the core SS to have the right to chose whether to join the war or not, neither ojukwu's biafra nor Gowon's Nigeria gave them the chance

mimifonwon:
incase you didnt know Alaigbo stretches from Igwe Ocha( rivers-ph) to Agbo in present Delta State. All Igbo speaking people, no matter how different their dialects are, is part of Alaigbo state. This is a settled matter and it is silly always revisiting it as if it is up to us to change it.Biafra is the name of a village in Portugal; I am not a Portuguese and, therefore, cannot be named by a Portuguese word.
Original (correct) names/spellings for Igbo City's/Towns/Villages
Abakaliki is Abakaleke; Afikpo is Ehugbo; Asaba is Ahaba; Awgu is Ogu; Awka is Oka; Bonny is Ubani; Enugu is Enugwu; Ibusa is Igbuzor; Igrita is Igwuruta; Oguta is Ugwuta; Onitsha is Onicha; Owerri is Owerre; Oyigbo is Obigbo; Port Harcourt is Diobu; Ogwashi-Uku is Ogwa Nshi Ukwu.
P.s. another history lesson by my grandpa-
According to my paternal grandpa who is of yoruba, who is in his late 80s, the word oyigbo is what they called white settlers because they were fair like the igbos, because igbos had a lot of albinos in their tribe, so oyirigbo become oyinbo.
By the way, EKO (Lagos) is an Edo Word, Lagos itself is a Portuguese Word, America is Spanish, Yoruba is an hausa word, etc etc...Does the appellation change who the people and their circumstances are? no so sharap.

jp philips:

who is dis guy?

your quote in red; was ojukwu a deciding member of the supreme military council at the time to decide for Gowon and co who should be the next head of state? even if they asked for his opinion, what was the majority vote in the last meeting that produced gowon as head of state?

your quote in Green;

how does regional bifurcation and state creation stop the pogrom that tantamounted to the meeting in the first place?
In case your father was too young to tell you that ojukwu's major demand at the Aburi conference was his sought for "A CONFEDERATION" in a federation, even an imbec!le aided by a political mosquito knows that it is an act of war even amongst family members let alone a country.
now go and play with your mates, you are historically malnutrition-ed.

can someone please post the transcript of the Aburi conference for this "mofo" so that a lost sheep will enjoy some reunion

jp philips:

look at an unrepentant ignorant bingo that doesn't know the capital of biafra is giving his father lectures on igbo history,because i came to your rescue, u have the sagacity to give me igbo lectures abi?

before you deceive your children again, biafra was coined from the "bight of biafra" an arm of the Atlantic ocean close to our present day Gulf of guinea.

didn't i ask you to go read your book?

Dede1:


I should tell you to go back to school, olodo. There was no supreme military council when Gowon usurped the position of commander in chief. When Ironsi assumed power, he created military executive council made-up of the military governors and certain military officers. As the military governor of eastern region and sole military authority in the east after partial success of July 29, 1966 coup, Ojukwu remained the only bona fide member of the military executive council to tell Gowon that Ogundipe was 2ic to Ironsi.

It was unfortunate that officers such as Adebayo, Wey, Ejoor, Katsina and Johnson had to succumb to fear and urged Gowon to continue to thrash the rigged principle of Esprit de Corp.

If I call you and your father fools, it should be a compliment because pogrom started in northern region when Ironsi was the commander in chief. Again, if you have any brain at all, you should have known that the July 29, 1966 coup only succeeded in western and northern regions. Eastern region was absolutely out of bound to coup plotters. In fact, Gowon could not even attempt to visit Benin City, the capital of Mid-western region, during the era in discuss. The coup that brought Gowon to power was an illegal act and Ojukwu as military governor of eastern region opposed it.

jp philips:

i for say na sand sand dey your head but e be like say na Gun powder,

before you deceive your children, the first capital of biafra was Enugu not PH, it was in enugu that the republic of biafra was declared.
after the fall of Enugu, Owerri became the next capital,Aba was also one of the make shift capitals, history recorded ojukwu's bunker in umuahia after the fall of owerri and he escaped from Uli in anambra state,
now, thank me for waking you up

mimifonwon:

You are very silly, i gave a definition and you are here trying to tell me what i know.people assumed it coined out of bight of africa, . Second Little is known about the literal meaning of the word Biafra. It is not part of the Igbo language. It is unclear whether the origin of the word Biafra has any relationship to "Bia", the Igbo word for "Come". The word Biafra most likely derives from the subgroup Biafar or Biafada[34] of the Tenda ethnic group who reside primarily in Guinea-Bissau.[35] Manuel Álvares (1526–1583), a Portuguese Jesuit educator, in his work "Ethiopia Minor and a geographical account of the Province of Sierra Leone", writes about the "Biafar heathen" in chapter 13 of the same book.[36] The word Biafar thus appears to have been a common word in the Portuguese language back in the 16th century.

jp philips:

now remove the bre.ast from your mouth and read that post again before you attempt the following questions;

was ojukwu the sole "dECIDING" member of the then military council whether old or newly formed to decide for them who the next head of state would be?

when the votes were cast, was the majority for or against ojukwu?

whether you think Adebayor and co's decision was unfortunate or not is your opinion only relevant when you are ontop your woman.

Dede1:


You are a bloody fool and I have no time to lecture a moronic troll such as you. You have shifted from supreme military council to mere military council. You should disabuse your silly mind before engage a person like me in your idiotic drivels.

There was veto power enjoyed by the members of military executive council. The opposition staged by Fajuyi over the faith of January 15, 1966 coup plotters prompted many northern officers to concluded that Fajuyi was part and parcel of the January coup.

There was no constituted meeting of military executive council after Ironsi disappeared. During the phone discussions among the members, Ojukwu insisted that in the absence of Commander in Chief, the chief of staff Supreme Military Headquarters should assume the position of commander in chief until the faith of commander in chief is known. I do not blame a moronic fool such as you to assume there was supreme military council because there was position of chief of staff supreme HQ.

CyberG:

@jr philips: It's interesting you've been on this NL for a long time and I find your tactful answers interesting. Well, be ready to do a whole lot of writing on these kind of topics and you will need not only a LOT of patience but relentless tact in slamming the "TRUE" accounts of the events of those days into some people here.

@Mimi...I suggest you heed an earlier advice to read some history of discussions on this board. You see, MANY PEOPLE like you have tried to educate and persuade people to tone down the tribal rhetoric without success because the ferocity increases the harder you try. In the end, you may win some, lose some but the most important thing I realize on this NL is to state your own account perhaps with some references. You may succeed in not letting the future NLander buy the absolute crap that some people pass for knowledge on this parts. Finally, please educate yourself some more with sources, cross-referenced, to reach an unbiased position of knowledge.

Dede1:


You are a bloody fool and I have no time to lecture a moronic troll such as you. You have shifted from supreme military council to mere military council. You should disabuse your silly mind before engage a person like me in your idiotic drivels.

There was veto power enjoyed by the members of military executive council. The opposition staged by Fajuyi over the faith of January 15, 1966 coup plotters prompted many northern officers to concluded that Fajuyi was part and parcel of the January coup.

There was no constituted meeting of military executive council after Ironsi disappeared. During the phone discussions among the members, Ojukwu insisted that in the absence of Commander in Chief, the chief of staff Supreme Military Headquarters should assume the position of commander in chief until the faith of commander in chief is known. I do not blame a moronic fool such as you to assume there was supreme military council because there was position of chief of staff supreme HQ.

It was unfortunate that officers such as Adebayo, Wey, Ejoor, Katsina and Johnson had to succumb to fear and urged Gowon to continue to thrash the rigged principle of Esprit de Corp.

mimifonwon:

umm sir i believe that if people face facts, that then they would let their tribalism simmer down. As for my accounts, they are well researched, but i understand where you are coming from. And @jp before you reply me, you need to do some reading, and ill suggest you start with this The 'Igbo Scare' in the British Cameroons, c. 1945-61
Victor Bong Amaazee
The Journal of African History
Vol. 31, No. 2 (1990), pp. 281-293
Published by: Cambridge University Press, good luck am going to sleep, dont die with ignorance.

the kinda books that told you the capital of biafra was PH? happy reading!!

jp philips:



please brief Nairalanders the context for which the above quote was made by you?

and elaborate further how Gowon emerged as the head of state (you can leave out ojukwu's fantasies from your answer), tell us in loud and clear terms the people that summoned that meeting and their individual positions?
explain further the bold part of your quote?
if there were members that you have already mentioned that took a unanimous decision as majority, explain how ojukwu's opinion should be relevant?

about the supreme military council, unfortunately for you that is what they call it in our time i may not be abreast with what you call it in your "ancient of days era"
i reserve no apologies for living in the modern times .

Dede1:



I am not interested in educating a jackass such as you on the issue of 1966 Nigeria. It is either you can not read or you have abject deficiency in comprehension. I wrote there was no formal meeting of constituted military executive because the Head of State and Commander in Chief Gen Ironsi along with another member of military executive council in Col Fajuyi were missing.

Even though some top military officers such as Gowon, Ojukwu, Ejoor, Ogundipe, Katsina, Johnson, Wey, Njoku and Acting IGP Kame Salam have know the faith of these men, general public was still loaded with rumors.

jp philips:

now that you are stammering, lemme ask further, you have alluded that there were "Members" that decided Gowon will be head of state, and you think that the opinion of one rogue member will thwart the decision of the majority?
please explain that to us,

the way i see you, if they had managed to bury ojukwu without his pen!s, you would have been sucking it by now, or better still hang it in your living room as your new found oracle.

how can one person say no to the decision made by majority of men of equal status? please answer us in clear terms

dayokanu: Someone is already taking Dendemoron to school again

kasiem: igbo adage,"nwoke lucha ogu, nwanyi enwere akuko" translated to " if a man finishes fighting, a woman will narrate the story" do u know what this insinuates? we've finished fighting with our fellow men(world powers) and now yorubas via adekunu are telling the story. have u for once used ur logical sense(make i elevate u) to ask urself why nigeria went to the level of begging world to come and help them fight small igbos? maybe, awOLEwo free education was busy teaching u guys rat poisoning without touching logic, but u still have a chance of learning logic in one of this almajiri school given to u by gej

kasiem: thankgod that we are now seeing the statistic of number of people who die most in hands of the hausas, 70 percent of corper that died in post election disaster were yorobo, their profs, nko?

mailgiddy: All these shallow nepotistic comments here is the sole reason nigeria's finding it difficult to record any progress,[b]Gowon had the job of keeping Nigeria united, and that he did,too bad some people had to pay for it with their own lifes. [/b]And for your information plateau state is still very much on point against all odds..I'm jostified.

amosy007: Igbo people really want south south badly bloody parasites

...cant u people just demand biafra without bringing south south into d context...
For u peoples info... South south doesnt belong to igbo neither does it belong to yorubas... If u want biafra agitate for it with ur 5 state and stop hoping that south south will join u... Bloody greedy parasites.....

Am out all other quote can kiss my Bottom

jp philips:


another lose ethnic jingoist on rampage , all these quarter to college boys that like wearing their flags of ignorance.

in-case your father didn't tell you, the core rivers, river rine parts of Rivers fought the Biafrans, it was only the upland that ran with ojukwu, even when ojukwu managed to advance to the remote rivers he was forcefully taking them as captive soldiers.
Saro wiwa and Adaka wanted the core SS to have the right to chose whether to join the war or not, neither ojukwu's biafra nor Gowon's Nigeria gave them the chance

dayokanu:

So to speak small English don turn work for you now. Omo nna?

Better go your oga shop and sell markate

dayokanu:

Wont it be better if you go to your shop in Alaba and sell markate?

How come ppl like Saro wiwa and Adaka boro were against Biafra.

You can say whatever you want about where you are from Biafra invaded Benin what part of benin is related to Ibo,?

chagga: Yt did Gowon creat Nigeria? He was only trying to keep a country he was the president of together. Go n read your history books . The 1st coup led by Igbo Officer prepared the road 4 the war. Northerner and westerner( Nationalist) were killed and that was the Genesis. U people should pointing fingers @ the wrong direction