amor4ce: The United Nations (UN) is located in the United States. The publishing and consultancy concern of the UN is Lucis Trust, formerly Lucifer Trust. The people of Lucis Trust argue that Lucifer was not expelled from heaven but voluntarily came to earth to help man survive; a lie (Isaiah 14). The people of Lucis Trust engage in various activities to channel energy to Christ for him to reign on earth. Lucifer is Satan. The ancient [b]Hell[/b]enists (Greco-Romans) referred to Zeus (also IeZeus, Iesous) as Christ, plagiarized the Bible and replaced the true Name, Eshu (mischievously transliterated by the synagogue of Satan as Yeshu/Yeshua), with Iesous and Jesus. The Christ of Lucis Trust is Jesus. Christ is the prophet of Lucifer. Eshu does not need people to channel energy for Him to reign on Earth as He is coming whether man likes it or not and He has the power to. Christ needs viagra (people to lift him from below). More detailed discussion is available here.

The rulers of the United States are aware. The electoral campaigns and politics are tools for distracting and brainwashing the pawns/masses.

Either you call him Eshu or the antichrist Obama's policies exposes his allegiance and to who he serves, despite all the efforts of calling white black and evil good those with discerning eyes know what is going on and how the stage is being set for the NWO.

OLAADEGBU:

Here is another pikshur of a more recent former President who made his mark. You don't even need to fast and pray to get saved just believe the gospel and repent from your sins.

Reagan?
I never thought that you admire a criminal.

I do not regret my sins, because I do not sin ...
You keep defending the servants of Satan.
Olaa ... your soul is lost ...

amor4ce: The United Nations (UN) is located in the United States. The publishing and consultancy concern of the UN is Lucis Trust, formerly Lucifer Trust. The people of Lucis Trust argue that Lucifer was not expelled from heaven but voluntarily came to earth to help man survive; a lie (Isaiah 14). The people of Lucis Trust engage in various activities to channel energy to Christ for him to reign on earth. Lucifer is Satan. The ancient [b]Hell[/b]enists (Greco-Romans) referred to Zeus (also IeZeus, Iesous) as Christ, plagiarized the Bible and replaced the true Name, Eshu (mischievously transliterated by the synagogue of Satan as Yeshu/Yeshua), with Iesous and Jesus. The Christ of Lucis Trust is Jesus. Christ is the prophet of Lucifer. Eshu does not need people to channel energy for Him to reign on Earth as He is coming whether man likes it or not and He has the power to. Christ needs viagra (people to lift him from below). More detailed discussion is available here.

The rulers of the United States are aware. The electoral campaigns and politics are tools for distracting and brainwashing the pawns/masses.

Laroye Esu, mó jubá!

olaa:
You are making political campaigning in the worst way. Slandering.
You support a Mormon unethical, and do you intend to defame Obama.
It is a very common practice of Christians ... the lack of identity and its own liturgy, his speech is summarized assault others, calling them "satanic" or, as in this case "not Christian".
Really ridiculous.

The candidate of my friend Olaa ...


Mitt Romney's Mormon Secrets
Mitt Romney
MITT ROMNEY'S MORMON SECRETS
By Richard Packham February 2012

In all the extensive media coverage of Mitt Romney, much of it discussing his religion, not a word have I seen about the secrets of Mormonism, the secrets of Romney's life-long beliefs and practices. The reason, of course, is obvious: nobody can talk about a secret unless they are in on the secret. And few journalists or Christian ministers or anti-Mitt politicians are in on the secret. Only Mormons know the secrets, and they're not going to tell. And former Mormons, like myself, who were initiated into those same secrets, and afterwards left Mormonism - we know the secrets. Should we tell?

Journalist Frank Rich, in his January 29 article "Who in God's Name Is Mitt Romney?" in New York Magazine, subtitled it: "His greatest passion is something he's determined to keep secret." And that secret is the details of his beliefs and practices as a faithful, life-long Mormon, the same secrets that all good Mormons have vowed to keep secret, even though their life depended on it.

And why does Romney (and his church) want to keep people from knowing those secrets? Most Mormons will claim that they are not "secret," but merely so "sacred" that they cannot be discussed. That is a quibble, since Mormons hold any number of other aspects of their religion to be "sacred," and yet they don't hesitate to discuss them (for example: baptism, conferring the gift of the Holy Ghost, ordination to the priesthood, etc.). In my day, when Mitt and I were initiated into the secrets, we were specifically instructed that we were under "the greatest obligations of secrecy." Nowadays, the Mormons simply take a solemn oath that they will "never reveal" anything about the rituals. That sounds like a secret to any ordinary person, doesn't it?

All right. I am going reveal those secrets, since nobody else seems willing and able to do so.

The biggest secrets involve the special lengthy rituals (the Mormons call them "ordinances" that take place outside of public view in the Mormon temples. The most important of these rituals is called the "endowment" - lasting several hours and taking the Mormon through symbolic washings and anointings (in my day they were actual washings and anointings on the entire naked body), then clothing the Mormon in special clothing and robes (including the notorious "magic underwear," which Mormons call "the garment". The Mormon then watches and participates in long dramatizations of key events in the coming of the gospel, beginning with the creation of the world, showing Adam's fall, the coming of the Christian gospel (but not the crucifixion and resurrection), and ultimately the Mormon's being admitted into heaven, represented by "passing through the veil (of the temple)." When Romney and I first went through this ceremony, it was a ritualized dramatization with live temple personnel. Nowadays it's a movie. Yes, the most sacred worship service in Mormonism involves watching a movie.

Why is that so secret? you may ask. What aren't the Mormons supposed to reveal? What do they hold so sacred that it's secret? Quite a lot.

Part of the endowment ritual instructs the Mormons in the four "signs" and "tokens" of the Mormon priesthood. Each also has a "name" (or password). The Mormon must make an oath that he (or she) will never reveal these, outside the temple. The purpose of the signs and tokens, according to Mormon Prophet Brigham Young, is that they will be needed to pass the angels guarding the gates of heaven. The tokens are various handshakes, copied largely from the Masonic initiation rites of the 1830s, when church founder Joseph Smith was initiated into Freemasonry. The signs are various positions of the arms and hands (right arm to the square, for example, is the "first sign of the Aaronic priesthood".

Before 1990, when Romney and I first went through this ceremony, we were taught that each of the first three signs and tokens also had a "penalty" associated with each one, and we had to mime various ways of taking life to represent the penalty to us if we were to reveal the secret signs and tokens: slitting one's own throat, ripping open one's chest, disemboweling oneself. Yes, folks, this was part of the most sacred ritual in Mormonism: pantomiming your own bloody death.

So Mitt Romney, and all other righteous Mormons, can be confident that they know the secret passwords and secret handshakes to get into heaven. Do you see why Romney and his church are reluctant for "unworthy" people (the rest of us, including Mrs. Romney's parents) to know about this? As Deborah Laake put it in her autobiographical book Secret Ceremonies, (New York 1993):

The actions that were going to guarantee my entrance at the gates [of heaven] would have nothing to do with love or charity or the other teachings of Christ that I'd been raised to believe God valued. In fact, I hadn't heard a single one of those words spoken today, the most primary day of religious instruction in my entire life. No, I was going to burst into heaven on the basis of mumbo-jumbo. ... The mysteries of life were fraternity rituals. ... Did all the white-suited glorifiers in the room unquestioningly accept a ritual of nutty gestures from the pseudo-occult as a sacrament? Those were the first moments when I viewed Mormonism with suspicion.

Or as summarized by a young Mormon missionary:"If we told investigators [prospective converts] about that, they wouldn't join, because it's too weird!"

But wait! you are saying. You haven't revealed anything. You've just told us that there is stuff to reveal. So reveal it!

Right. The four secret passwords that will get you into heaven:

The first one is the "new name" that you get with your garment. Mine is "Enoch" and you can borrow it when the time comes. The angel won't know. If you're female, you can use my ex-wife's new name: "Mary." (She would kill me if she knew I gave her sacred new name away!)

The second password is easy: your own given first name.

The third password: "The Son," meaning "the Son of God."

The fourth one is so sacred that you don't get it until the very last moment in the ceremony, at the veil, from God Himself (or an old guy standing behind the curtain who is pretending to be God). And it's very long, but you have to memorize it or you don't get in:

Health in the navel, marrow in the bones, strength in the loins and in the sinews. Power in the priesthood be upon me and upon my posterity through all generations of time and throughout all eternity.

(If you watched "Big Love" faithfully, one episode showed this part of the ceremony.)

And what about the secret (oops! that should be "sacred" handshakes? Rather than describe them, I will suggest you simply do an Internet search for "mormon handshake" images. They'll be right at the top.

Anything else? Yes, there are more secrets.

During the endowment, Mormons are required to take secret oaths that they will obey various "laws." The "law of obedience" requires them to obey "the law of God and keep his commandments." They don't specify what the "law of God" is, but Mormons understand that the Mormon church is the only true source of God's law and commandments. So they are taking an oath to obey their church.

The "law of sacrifice" requires them to "covenant to sacrifice all that we possess, even our own lives if necessary, in sustaining and defending the Kingdom of God." Mormons understand "the kingdom of God" to be the Mormon church.

The "law of the gospel" is accompanied by a charge to avoid "evil speaking of the Lord's anointed [church leaders]" as well as avoiding "light-mindedness, loud laughter, taking the Lord's name in vain" and every "unholy and impure practice" (not specified).

The "law of chastity" is to abstain from sexual relations except with one's lawful spouse. That one does make sense. That's one of the Ten Commandments, after all.

The last law is the "law of consecration." It requires the Mormons to

...consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

A couple of terms need explanation. The "Kingdom of God on the earth" and "Zion" mean, to Mormons, not just their church, but ultimately the theocracy that will replace the non-religious civil government. They believe, of course, that Christ will come to run this government, using faithful Mormons as administrators.

The pressing question for Mitt Romney, and for the Mormons who are supporting his candidacy, is: Would Romney consider the Presidency to be something that God had "blessed" him with, and which, pursuant to his secret oath, he should "consecrate" to his church for establishing a theocracy? If he is elected, will he kneel down and thank his God for blessing him with the presidency? And what is he supposed to do, according to his secret oath, with "everything" God has blessed him with? That's right: he is to use it for the benefit of the Mormon church.

Now wait a minute, you may be thinking. It doesn't really mean that! The Mormon church doesn't expect that from its members, does it? Oh, yes, it does! Remember California's Proposition 8? The Mormon church pulled out all the stops to pass that proposition, which would forbid same-sex marriage, and it called upon all Mormons to cough up and donate, even those who were not California voters. Those who were hesitant to do so (often the amounts demanded were thousands of dollars per family) were simply and subtly reminded of their "temple covenants." And they all understood that the church was calling in the chits on the oaths to obey, to sacrifice, and to consecrate whatever the church demanded of them.

How would a President who was also a good Mormon obey those secret oaths?

It wouldn't even take a phone call from church headquarters to the White House. Mitt, being a well-trained Mormon, knows "in his heart" what God would want (which is the same thing that the church wants, of course) and doesn't need to be told. That's the way it works already in the only American theocracy in existence today (Utah). The Mormon politicians who run that state - the judiciary, the legislature, the executive branch - don't have to ask church leaders for direction. They know what they should do, without asking specifically (usually).

The question for American voters is: knowing that Romney has taken this secret oath, that he is a faithful Mormon, do you want him to answer the question "Would you feel bound by your sacred oath to obey the law of consecration that you made in the endowment ceremony?"

Should it make a difference to you, the voter?

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Romney is a Christian right (as Olaa)

“Mitt Romney has a uniform fetish,” Lawrence O’Donnell teased going into a break, returning to deliver a segment on Mitt Romney’s college days that promised an exclusive, salacious secret. That secret was that, according to some former classmates, Romney liked to dress up as a police officer, which was a clear outrage given that he did not serve in Vietnam, according to O’Donnell.
“When Mitt Romney wasn’t gay bashing kids whose hair he didn’t like, his habit was to impersonate a police officer,” O’Donnell explained. He then added that Romney “Mitt Romney avoided [Vietnam with] four consecutive drafts deferments that he obtained,” and brought in the reporter who brought this story, Joe Conason, in to explain. The key part of Conason’s report is the following:
When Mitt Romney was a college freshman, he told fellow residents of his Stanford University dormitory that he sometimes disguised himself as a police officer – a crime in many states, including Michigan and California, where he then lived. And he had the uniform on display as proof.

So recalls Robin Madden, who had also just arrived as a freshman, the startling incident began when Romney called him and two or three other residents into his room, saying, “Come up, I want to show you something.” When they entered Romney’s room, “and laid out on his bed was a Michigan State Trooper’s uniform.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/lawrence-odonnell-breaks-new-mitt-romney-scandal-he-maybe-had-a-police-uniform/

What influences Obama's policies?

Olaa.
You do not read my posts.
You have not answered a single one of my concerns are voiced.
answer "
1. You are a supporter of Mitt Romney
2. You opened this thread only to smear Obama.
3. You claim to be Christian, but supports a non-Christian candidate.
4. Are you _mormon like the heretic Romney?

Answer Olaa ...!
Stop posting stupid pictures and make their grievances seriously!

OLAADEGBU, when last did you reason?

Ptolomeus: Olaa.
You do not read my posts.
You have not answered a single one of my concerns are voiced.
answer "
1. You are a supporter of Mitt Romney
2. You opened this thread only to smear Obama.
3. You claim to be Christian, but supports a non-Christian candidate.
4. Are you _mormon like the heretic Romney?

Answer Olaa ...!
Stop posting stupid pictures and make their grievances seriously!

Neither did you read mine. If you did where did I tell you that 'am a supporter of Mitt Romney?

amor4ce: OLAADEGBU, when last did you reason?

I only reason with those who stay on the topic without diverting it to their own preconceived propaganda. The least you trolls can do is to stay on the topic at hand without diverting it. If you don't understand what it means to be a Christian then ask pertinent questions.

Chuck Missler tells us what he thinks about Obama, could he be right?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIjf0u0ah80

this oladegbu guy is a Xter indeed.
Imagine the effort and energy dispense?

OLAADEGBU:

Neither did you read mine. If you did where did I tell you that 'am a supporter of Mitt Romney?

Olaa ...
You do not read the posts.
Your attack on Obama has only one reason (and not a religious reason) is a political reason!
Olaa ... Admit or Deny ... ...
I ask you to read here, that you are not Mormon Romney supporter.
Come on, Olaa ... Deny!

@Amor4ce

OLAADEGBU:

I only reason with those who stay on the topic without diverting it to their own preconceived propaganda. The least you trolls can do is to stay on the topic at hand without diverting it. If you don't understand what it means to be a Christian then ask pertinent questions.

Olaa is tough sometimes.
Usually this happens when he gets angry ...
But Olaa is not a bad person .... he is confused, wrong, and besides, he does not read the other posts ...
Olaa has launched a campaign against Obama ... because Olaa is in favor of his opponent, a non-Christian ... a Mormon.
Olaa attacked Obama saying that Obama is not Christian ... but the leader of a non cristian Olaa is declared!
I confess something ... I sh1t in Obama and the Mormon ... the two together. I did not know, I do not know and I do not know even a U.S. president who is not an invader, an oppressor of the weak countries, an apologist for torture and state terrorism.
I repeat (and sorry for you my sincerity and my tone) I sh1t in Obama and Romney ... but what Olaa is doing is not right.
One thing is politics and religion is another thing.
A Christian should not do that sort of thing.
He should not lie ...

.(?)

truthislight: this oladegbu guy is a Xter indeed.
Imagine the effort and energy dispense?

What do you say about Obama's faith, is he a Christian?

Ptolomeus:
Olaa ...
You do not read the posts.
Your attack on Obama has only one reason (and not a religious reason) is a political reason!
Olaa ... Admit or Deny ... ...
I ask you to read here, that you are not Mormon Romney supporter.
Come on, Olaa ... Deny!

I have not told you that I support Romney neither have I suggested that I believe that they are Christians so I see no reason why you should divert the topic at hand which is showing reasons why I think Obama is not a Christian.

OLAADEGBU:

What do you say about Obama's faith, is he a Christian?

NO COMMENT

OLAADEGBU:

I have not told you that I support Romney

You have not mentioned ... of course!
But your support.
Admit it!
You, Olaa, is doing something very ugly ...

OLAADEGBU:

What do you say about Obama's faith, is he a Christian?

Who is a christian

ijawkid:

Who is a christian

Are you a Christian?

OLAADEGBU:

Are you a Christian?

Answer me 1st naa....

So that we can knw if obama is a christian or not....

ijawkid:

Answer me 1st naa....

So that we can knw if obama is a christian or not....

If you had done your homework you would have discovered that I have answered this question on page 2 of this thread. Answer my kweshun.

Rev. William Owens, President of the Coalition of African-American Pastors speaks out on CNN on the first of August 2012 against Obama's same sex marriage support.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50uIgn1bfiw

He says Obama is sold out to the people who put him in power and that he is looking for money from the LGBT.

This coalition is focussing on the great evil Obama is doing and that they are a non partisan group.

Thank God that the African American Christians are now waking up to the deception that they had earlier swallowed.

OLAADEGBU:

If you had done your homework you would have discovered that I have answered this question on page 2 of this thread. Answer my kweshun.

Good....

I am a christian.....

I support ur stance on d fact that obama aint a christian........

Neither are political leaders true christians......

They all follow a common trend....

ijawkid:

Good....

I am a christian.....

I support ur stance on d fact that obama aint a christian........

Neither are political leaders true christians......

They all follow a common trend....

How are you more christian than Obama? Name it.

Ptolomeus:
You have not mentioned ... of course!
But your support.
Admit it!
You, Olaa, is doing something very ugly ...

olaa,
You do not respond!
I want you to state clearly that you are not in favor of the Mormon Romney ...
Say clearly that you are not attacking Obama for political reasons!
And do not forget, that lying is a sin!

ijawkid:

Good....

I am a christian.....

I support ur stance on d fact that obama aint a christian........

Neither are political leaders true christians......

They all follow a common trend....

Thanks for answering my kweshun. Why do you say that politicians cannot be true Christians? Can you explain further?

Ptolomeus:

olaa,
You do not respond!
I want you to state clearly that you are not in favor of the Mormon Romney ...
Say clearly that you are not attacking Obama for political reasons!
And do not forget, that lying is a sin!

My frenemy, the title of this thread is clear enough for you to understand the issue at hand. I put forth the reasons why I think that Obama is not a Christian, you have to be a Christian to appreciate these reasons. If you are interested in politics there is a section for that but this is truth vs propaganda, we want to project the truth here if you don't mind.

OLAADEGBU:

My frenemy, the title of this thread is clear enough for you to understand the issue at hand. I put forth the reasons why I think that Obama is not a Christian, you have to be a Christian to appreciated these reasons. If you are interested in politics there is a section for that but this is truth vs propaganda, we want to project the truth here if you don't mind.

Olaa ... I consider you a friend.
Friends do not always agree ...
Who makes a political issue, something religious you are.
Just say you, that you are not supporter of the Mormon fascist
Say it.
This will prove that I am wrong, and that you are not messing Obama for political interests!.
Come on ... I hope so ...

OLAADEGBU:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4cMB8ktCT8

Obama said that:

"I believe that there are many paths to the same place"

He also said that:

"All people of faith - Christians, Jews, Muslims, Animists - everyone knows the same God"

But what did our Lord Jesus Christ say? He said:

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6).

Do you still think Obama is a Christian?

The descendants of Jacob never knew the Son of Olodumare by the title Christ as that is a Latin/Hellenist term originally applied to Zeus. Rather, His people and followers knew Him as "Imisi Iye" which has been erroneously transliterated as Messiah - the oyinbo in the Middle East and elsewhere have admitted that they don't know how the original language was spoken or properly translated refer to their current phony language as modern Hebrew. These oyinbo, after slaughtering the original peoples, replaced "Messiah" with Christ to achieve their plan of deception and leading people away, else they would have used "Messiah" throughout (John 1:41; 4:25). The Son said He came in the Name of Olodumare, which is "Iye"/"Ye", erroneously transliterated as "Yah" and "Jah", which can be seen in Imisi Iye (Messiah) but not "Christ". Thus, His people never referred to themselves as "Christians" and never knew Him as "Jesus".

Christians, Jews (synagogue of satan) and Muslims do not worship the Almighty but another.
Different peoples have their cultures and their own ways of groping for the Almighty (Acts 17:26-27), but such acts must be done in truth and in spirit as this is the only Way. So far, the activities of the oyinbo founders of Christianity, Islam and Judaism have been in rebellion against the Almighty. These religions have lies as their foundation as the founders divided Israel amongst themselves, engaged in identity theft, surrounded themselves with violence, raped and suppressed other peoples, enslaved West Africans, and engaged in stealing, killing and destruction, activities described in the Bible as those of the enemy/devil. While these people use their mouths to express faith in the Almighty they have consistently expressed and used fjavascript:void(0);[sub][/sub]aith in violence and bullying to intimidate and destroy; this applies to both republicans and democrats as well. Topics/Debates like this from the OP are tools used by the power brokers, to whom the devil has given the authority and glory of the kingdoms of this world (Luke 4:5-7), to distract and brainwash the masses/pawns and use them like drones fighting themselves. Whether Obama is a Christian or not is not important but whether each of us seeks the Almighty in truth (including the Name) and in spirit.

The Yoruba have a saying, "what is bad is bad."