Programming is fun, but developing quality software is hard. I have come across quite a few programmers who are more interested in learning as many languages as they can to the detriment of learning good design techniques and development practices. While it is good for us as developers to learn as many languages as we can, it is also crucial for us realize that learning languages alone is not enough we must also devote as much time to learning the techniques, tools and practices of the trade.

I TOTALLY agree with you. Point well made! I know a lot of programmers who have a dozen languages under their belts but do not know how to implement a hash table, recursive binary search, or even a linked list. I find that very heart-breaking.

Also, I've seen many rich "software engineers" who's banking software is vulnerable to SQL injection at the login prompt!

So I guess there's more to programming than just software development too.

@mkwayisi Programming is one of the activities performed during software development. Which means programming is part of software development.

harryobas: @mkwayisi Programming is one of the activities performed during software development. Which means programming is part of software development.

I believe we all learned that in our "Computer Programming 101" class. Clearly, you are talking from a "software engineer"'s perspective but I'm coming from that of a "programmer"'s. Do you *get it* now?

mkwayisi:
I believe we all learned that in our "Computer Programming 101" class. Clearly, you are talking from a "software engineer"'s perspective but I'm coming from that of a "programmer"'s. Do you *get it* now?

I totally understand your point. Programming is the most important, expensive and resource consuming activity of software development and certainly deserve a lot of attention. But it needs to be guided by good design techniques and development best practices because programming is where we can achieve important quality attributes such as testability, maintainability and reusability.

Coding which is equivalent to programming, testing, maintaining, documentation of artifacts, good User experience and interface, data integrity, are all embedded in the act of good software development. But of course we have many coders and little software developers out there. To most clients the standard is not the issue but for the solution architect to deliver.

Of course there is more to Software Development, and there are certainly many groups of people involved in the process.
You have your developers/programmers (those in this group focus more on the language and technologies the solution will be developed with),software Engineers(these are involved in, and make decisions on all aspects of software production, from requirements gathering, through to maintaining the solution post development). You have your Software Architects, and then Analysts, Testers, Integration Engineers, and don't forget the Computer Scientists(these are the guys usually involved in investigating many ways to solve the many problems out there in the computing world).

Ajafik: Coding which is equivalent to programming, testing, maintaining, documentation of artifacts, good User experience and interface, data integrity, are all embedded in the act of good software development. But of course we have many coders and little software developers out there. To most clients the standard is not the issue but for the solution architect to deliver.

Standard may not be the issue depending on the domain of the solution. For some domains, quality attributes such as reliability, performance or modifiability could be more important than functionality.

This is absolutely true. You see people saying i program using
Java, PHP, Python, C++ , C# etc. but when you look deep you find out the cannot do something meaninfull with the language the learn. this is rubbish.

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This topic is not going to be popular here.That is typical Nigeria programmers for you.They will prefer to bamboozle you with an array of languages they know.Ask them their rating on topcoder or other programming challenge sites,that is irrelevant.What they know is to put together one or two GUI's and that is all.How many Nigerian software engineers do you see at the big silicon valley companies.Even though they hire from select universities,if you know your algorithms,they will hire you.There are Egyptians in google,facebook,microsoft and all the big silicon valley companies and most of them got there via being able to participate in programming challenge competition.I still find it absurd that I don't find Nigerians on topcoder!!!

@naija_swag: I'm tempted to ask "What the heck is 'topcoder'?", but I'm gonna google it!

i read your comment you are all right.

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naija_swag: This topic is not going to be popular here.That is typical Nigeria programmers for you.They will prefer to bamboozle you with an array of languages they know.Ask them their rating on topcoder or other programming challenge sites,that is irrelevant.What they know is to put together one or two GUI's and that is all.How many Nigerian software engineers do you see at the big silicon valley companies.Even though they hire from select universities,if you know your algorithms,they will hire you.There are Egyptians in google,facebook,microsoft and all the big silicon valley companies and most of them got there via being able to participate in programming challenge competition.I still find it absurd that I don't find Nigerians on topcoder!!!

Dude, am on topcoder

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mkwayisi:
I TOTALLY agree with you. Point well made! I know a lot of programmers who have a dozen languages under their belts but do not know how to implement a hash table, recursive binary search, or even a linked list. I find that very heart-breaking.

Also, I've seen many rich "software engineers" who's banking software is vulnerable to SQL injection at the login prompt!

So I guess there's more to programming than just software development too.

The bolded is just so common.

harryobas:
Programming is fun, but developing quality software is hard. I have come across quite a few programmers who are more interested in learning as many languages as they can to the detriment of learning good design techniques and development practices. While it is good for us as developers to learn as many languages as we can, it is also crucial for us realize that learning languages alone is not enough we must also devote as much time to learning the techniques, tools and practices of the trade.

For me, I can't learn more than one language which is Kotlin for Android development. I don't like learning and writing multiple languages I will rather stick with one then develops so many things with it.

That's why I love myself. Learning one programming language for years. I want to be better at it. Yeah. I want to know the ins and outs of php, which I will. Nothing going to stop me bru. Let's those saying php is old should keep up saying that. For me, I will learn php to the last point that I'm satisfied. I don't rush learning, I learn slowly to get what I want. Don't rush learning.

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