smokie:

If black South Africans were lazy barely anything would have happened since 1994....now how much have we achieved since then? Obviously way more than the rest of Africa, and even some of Europe, while a black govt is in charge. We might not be perfect, and with a lot of unresolved issues but we're focused on not just building South Africa but also developing the continent, even if it means dragging it, kicking and screaming into the 21st Century.

ypzilanti: Because while the black people in South Africa united to get rid of a wicked, evil leadership (aparthied white rulers), the black people in Nigeria are to busy with their inter tribal fights to get rid of their wicked, evil leadership (military and PDP).

all4naija: Keep telling your baseless stories to the fools. I would not in my rightful mind accept any of your assertions rather statements as binding in any way to what the topic is all about.

I have checked. It is surprising you are the one who trickily points to a word I used, manipulates it and places it on capital letters to attract my attention to your comment. More like the ventriloquist would.

Stop pointing to the provision of basic facilities in those Townships as determinants of what we are discussing about here, as if they would change the mentality of people living in them.If you can not comprehend very well what my previous comment centers around then it means the social life in the squalor you seem fit the best environment for your likes in my previous comment is not far fetched.

Pointing to 3 million NIGERIAN citizens who died during the civil war only affirms my former statement to be correct of your ineptitude to see beyond simplicity. How in your clear eyes would you use a war to define a social condition of a nation comparing it to your present day country(SA)? Dude, you need to see a psychiatrist.

Whether you like it or not, South Africans are figuratively slaves to the white in their PAPA's land. Open your eyes wide and look around you. Your history and forefathers legacy are more on the backdrop of the white man's pronouncement. They(Whites) define the future and existence of that nation yet they are foreigners who came as not landowners to take over everything in the present age.

My advice to you is to organize yourself and look inward. Embrace the whites and apologize to them for taking the power of presidency from them because black South Africans can't just organize themselves like every other Africans, even worse yet would go about mouthy shits around of their fellow African blacks.

safarigirl: What has black SA achieved after Mandela, Makeba and Fassie? Nothing! When the West mentions SACANs achievements on the world stage, how many blacks are mentioned? Very few! The cardiologist with the first successful heart transplant, a white SACAN. Most successful Sacan actress, Charlize Theron, is white. The most successful SA team in sports- The Springboks, is made up of a majority of whites, even in golf, another thing that SA is mentioned in, what name do I hear? Oosthuizen or so and the dude is WHITE. The only time they remember blacks is when a case of rape or HIV is brought up, why?

jessMena: because south africa is actually governed by white men..mayb a white man shud rule 9ja 4 just one year

ROSSIKE:

God knows what toilet a dunce like you was educated in to type this illiterate garbage.

cesil92: Maybe because its been a very long time the whites left nigeria. Secondly because there are no whites in nigeria again, but a concentration of blacks which makes the black magic which opposses good things and civilization works well.. Just a suggestion huh?

all4naija: Lol... Hypocrite of the highest order. Xenophobia is there for you people to take care of.

Indeed, there is nothing significant that exists in present day South Africa that is not the advent of the white people! Non at all!

khukhi:

All4Looser Whatever! You the dumbest,meanest poster on NL. Go get laid and release some of that tension dood!
I swear ... Its like SA did something to u! Did they deport u or refuse to give u assylum papers or what happened?

This is a Nigerian forum for nigerians and friends of Nigeria so get over yourself.

Seriously.

kj_hova: So long as educated Nigerians keep seeing d globe through a racial prism, we will always be poor. So long as Intellectual property is not regarded here, we'll always b backward. So long as a man's chance in life is dependent on where his father comes from & not what his brain can offer and as long as Uche/Dogo/Tayo are first Igbo/Hausa/Yoruba before being Nigerians, this country will remain behind S/Africa. Forget S/Africa, Nigeria will remain behind Ghana as long as where d president is from remains more important to us than where d president can take us all to! Chikena.

gbadexy: South africa is developed solely because the organised whites are the ones developing it.Nigeria too was like that just a few decades the whites left the management of our country to us.Nigeria can still be like south africa if we invite the whites to come and manage Nigeria as a coporate entity.no matter what anybody says,i couldnt care less who rules even if it is horse so far they are competent,accountable and have integrity.

all4naija: Even if they are given back their country without the advent of the whites they would be another slum-filled(poverty ridden) African nation. Let's face reality and point to where the truth lies. There is failure on the side of the blacks to organized themselves and develop. The brain is where all power rested while the physical strength is just a subordination.

snydergp:

How foolish what do black americans call themselfs as when they are born in america south africans or nigerians when they there forefather have been living in america for over 200years sertianly not africans

Whites who consider themselfs south african and who was born in south africa are also african in S.A

Without white capital Nigeria an South Africa would be nowhere. If south africans don't have a problem with whites who help and stand with blacks to help build the country why should u have one

In the days of apartheid there were whites who stood side by side with black south africans in defiance of the white goverment some of them were even killed by the white goverment. Eventhough there are still many problems with racism and inaquilities in south africa things have changed for the better.

South africa is the only country that has all nationalities in one country. S.A is both blessed and cursed with this.

For your information without black labour S.A will not be where it is today both black and whites have the skill to build our world class roads and infrastructure. I'm sorry u Nigerians don't have reconciliatary spirit that we south africans have, wew chose to work with white pple in S.A I'm sorry that ur 100% black tribalisticly devided Nigerians can't work together without killing each other over religion or tribalism.

Speaking abt Aids yes south africa has the highest rate of HIV in the world
, That's because we test all our pple at our world class medical facilaties something that Nigeria don't have.

In Nigeria people are still dying of Polio a desease that south africa has already eradicated 30years ago. And yip Nigerians also has HIV you just don't have facilaties to test ur population so don't talk abt stats.

South africa has already turned the tide against aids just go read the latest W.H.O's reports stop being jelious abt other african countries u Nigerians beat us at soccer and we don't complain but S.A is way more advance than Nigeria economically and in infrastructure its a fact we. Have more then 40000MW of power everyday u have 4000MW so start fixing ur country and let us deal with our Hiv and whites

all4naija: Stop forming in the mouth like somebody living with rabid. Are you insinuating that the black south Africans were oppressed by South African who considered themselves superior to the blacks?

Dude, keep living in your nirvana and think the mindset of white South Africans was right about one people(united)with the ideology of Apartheid. You must be hallucinating to think the white consider themselves as equal to you. I have come across white South Africans in seminars claiming their roots to Europe and insist on there they have their proper lives. Dream on, blinded black man. Why won't you agree black and white are equally South Africans during and even present with your unfair analogy. You are forgetting to point out that the opposite is the case with South African whites who came conquer the land and take the people hostage. They take to their European root and accepted(most of them still have their families in Europe)by the people. Boohoo!

If not for Mandela struggle to give you hope and try to bring to your knowledge of who you are you would still be blinded till now to accept apartheid is good for you. Economically, the blacks are still wanting, who make up the largest chunk of the population. Please, spare me your nonsense rant and face reality. Stop acting like a hungry child given some cookies.

Ki-Katanga:


This is why South Africa is doing better than Nigeria: they are moving away from this kind of disgusting "us and them" mentality and building for the future, rather than dwelling on the past.

All the blame and hatred in the world won't create employment or education.

all4naija: Another South African braggart who thought he/she has spoken wisely! South Africa has always done better, thanks to the whites. Poo!

Sorry, your people mentality is worst I have seen in Africans for years. Your xenophobic inclination is found wanting in your statement. Arguing with you brings it to the limelight.

Ki-Katanga:


No, I just don't think that fighting old battles helps us to move forwards.

all4naija: I don't believe in old fight either but fight for equal rights is fight that must be fought for posterity sake.

Ki-Katanga:


They have equal rights -- but they don't to be fair have equal opportunity. That said there are enough poor whites to show that there isn't the entitlement culture that once existed, now all South Africa needs to do is to stay together, work together and focus on education, so that they can build themselves up again without skin colour being a factor.

But they're largely doing this more successfully than the Christians and Muslims in Nigeria, at the moment.

In fact there is not so much more divide between whites and blacks than between Yoruba and Igbo in Nigeria.

PROUD-IGBO:
Looking at the 'white' factor a bit deeper, you could argue that as at the time the colonialists left in 1960, Nigeria, when compared with South Africa was still light years behind. Comparing pictures of Lagos and Johannesburg of 1960 will show stark differences between both in infrastructure and the city skyline. So what was the reason for this since both countries had 'whites' in gov't?

The reason why the Afrikaaners developed South Africa more than the British did for Nigeria was b'cos they actually believed they were developing 'their' homeland; as against the British that did the barest minimum they could get away with just to ensure their comfort, facilitate the exploitation and evacuation of our resources, and keep the niggas quiet .

If apartheid had continued to this day, and there had been no economic sanctions imposed on South Africa, it's quite possible that -with the abundance of cheap labour and vast mineral/human resources- South Africa today would be among the top 5 economies in the world.

So what we see in South Africa today by way of positive economic indices is the result of the groundwork layed by the departing whites (who didn't do it for their 'love' of the Zulu). As for 'stability': the main reason i can think of is that they don't have a lazy, thieving, murderous cabal that believes power at the centre is their birthright, and are prepared to dagbaru the whole political-economy if they are no more calling the shots.

Moreover, the white people in South Africa did not build the country, Great Britain, Australia and United States of America built South Africa.