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|Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by tbaba1234: 9:39am On May 28, 2012|
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by LagosShia: 2:02pm On May 28, 2012|
indeed silence is betrayal!
and what is more heartaching is using the blood of syrian children and innocent civilians to execute a zionist-western plan in syria to overthrow its popular president,Bashar al-Assad.it is even more sad when you see fanatical and sectarian zionist-arabs like qatar and saudi arabia with an army of long bearded and filthy salafist sheikhs carry out their sectarian propaganda and hate to serve their masters in the west.
the houla massacre was undoubtedly carried out by the so called "free syrian army" backed by the zionist-arabs against the Assad regime.they carried out this ugly massacre to turn back attention to syria after things seem to calm down.and it is carried out in a very planned attempt at a time when the UN security council was just about to convene on syria.
the allegation by the "free syrian army" is that tanks and heavy bombardment by the syrian army loyal to the assad regime committed the massacre.when you examine the pictures of the dead you clearly see that is impossible.pictures of massacres in palestine and in lebanon (qana massacre to be precise) show that when bombardment is carried out,the bodies are buried in rubble and even fragmented.but the pictures from houla show that the massacre was carried from close range using guns and knives against innocent civilians.this could not have been the handy work of the government or the army of syria but that of the rebels knowns as the "free syrian army".
all that aside,it is in the interest of the government for calm to prevail and peace to return.it is unimaginable that the government would cold-bloodedly kill innocent people including many children to destroy the prevailing calm and turn the attention of the international community back on syria.
people with the fear of God need to warn the western countries,zionist arabs,and the salafist criminals to leave syria alone.the syrian people have already suffered enough from their artificial revoltuion they want to impose in syria to benefit israel.bashar al-assad's regime remains the only arab regime actively supporting and sponsoring resistance to occupation movements in the middle east against israel.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by LagosShia: 2:16pm On May 28, 2012|
valid points to consider that the regime did not commit the houla massacre:
1.) the area where the massacre occurred is outside government control
2.) victims of the massacre died of shortgun wounds and not tank fire as claimed by the opposition
3.) the victims' bodies had marks of severe physical abuse and beheading.beheading is the trademark of wahhabis aka salafists and their criminal mind which is blackmailing muslims and islam.
4.) artilery fire and heavy weapons which the opposition claims the regime used (and the regime denied) in houla are also available in the hands of the free syrian army.
5.) the same "free syrian army" is criminally minded and accusing them of carrying out this massacre is not out of place.they have formally in wahhabi style carried out beheadings in syria against supporters of bashar al-assad who opposed them.last week,they kidnapped 12 lebanese Shia Muslim pilgrims returning from religious visit of holy places in iran,in a sectarian motivated fashion.the fate of the kidnap victims is still unknown at this moment.this could create sectarian tensions in neighboring lebanon between Shia and Sunnis.
6.) there is no logic or motive for the syrian regime of assad to carry out this massacre against innocent civilians.calm and peace favors the government more than an israeli copy of massacre against civilians.the massacre in houla is being portrayed as a massacre by the "alawite regime" of bashar al-assad against sunnis.this again would serve the wahhabis and the so called "free syrian army" perfectly to spread chaos and sectarian tension in syria itself.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by vedaxcool(m): 7:21pm On May 28, 2012|
This is a bigggggg pity! May Allah destroy all the enemies of peace and accursed murderers of the believers! Amin.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by maclatunji: 9:50pm On May 28, 2012|
@Lagosshia, I see your campaign up there but to be frank, we don't know who did this dastardly act I know it is wrong to be making the assertions you are making without evidence.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by LagosShia: 10:28pm On May 28, 2012|
maclatunji: @Lagosshia, I see your campaign up there but to be frank, we don't know who did this dastardly act I know it is wrong to be making the assertions you are making without evidence.
my assertion if you call it so as you may,is justified and convincing reaction to the world of arrogance interfering in syrian affairs to destabilize that country.they have already accused the regime of committing the act.they even wanted the UN security council to pass a resolution condemning the massacre and holding the syrian government responsible.thanks to Russia again,for blocking that imperialistic move.just what we saw in libya is what the USA in particular would want to happen in syria.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by LagosShia: 10:29pm On May 28, 2012|
vedaxcool: This is a bigggggg pity! May Allah destroy all the enemies of peace and accursed murderers of the believers! Amin.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by LagosShia: 10:31pm On May 28, 2012|
US responsible for Houla massacre: Iran Majlis
Mon May 28, 2012 2:2PM GMT
The new Iranian Majlis (parliament) has strongly condemned the ruthless massacre of defenseless Syrians in Houla, saying the US is responsible for the attack.
“The barbaric massacre of the innocent people of Houla, in Homs, is reminiscent of the merciless terrorist atrocities in Sabra and Shatila and is a blatant symbol of terrorist acts and mass murder in this juncture of human history,” the 9th Majlis lawmakers said in a statement Monday.
On May 25, deadly clashes broke out between Syrian forces and armed groups in Houla, located in the central province of Homs.
Head of the UN observer mission in Syria Major General Robert Mood said in a briefing via video from Damascus to an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council on Sunday that UN observers in Houla estimate 108 people were killed, including 49 children and 34 women.
The Iranian lawmakers said there is no doubt the terrorists responsible for such atrocities are armed and trained by the West and its regional allies and are dispatched into Syria by some of its neighbors.
“The US should be held accountable for its incorrect policies in Syria,” they said.
The lawmakers called on the United Nations Security Council to prevent the shipment of weapons into Syria.
Earlier, Iran's Foreign Ministry Spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast also condemned the ‘‘suspicious attack” in the village of Houla and stressed the necessity of identifying and punishing the perpetrators.
“The attack has been carried out in order to create chaos and instability in Syria and its perpetrators are trying to block the way to a peaceful resolution,” Mehmanparast said on Sunday.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by maclatunji: 11:43pm On May 28, 2012|
@ Lagosshia, it's ok for you to condemn this crime but what you are doing is no different from what you accuse the west of doing.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by LagosShia: 12:23am On May 29, 2012|
maclatunji: @ Lagosshia, it's ok for you to condemn this crime but what you are doing is no different from what you accuse the west of doing.
the bottom line is someone has to bear the blame and responsibility.from day one of the conflict in syria,the west for known reason wants bashar al-assad to go.they even hold him responsible for crimes the terrorists they back commit.
the only side in this conflict that have beheaded civilians and carried out suicide bombings is the so called "free syrian army" and its flock of wahhabi terrorists.i can no longer count the number of suicide bombings in syria against government and civilian targets since the conflict began last year.with all these,you still want me to believe its the government that is killing children and women? to what end?
it is also the pattern prevailing in syria by the terrorists,that whenever there is a UN security council meeting,something tragic would occur for more pressure to be applied on the government.
you cannot compare my attitude to that of the west because i have valid and convincing points to consider and it is based on that i build my argument and conviction.the west and the zionist-arabs (qatar and saudi arabia) are actively supporting the terrorists ("free syrian army" ) to fight the regime and overthrow bashar and they still pretend they want an end to violence.how can there be an end to violence when external forces are supporting an armed group that does not represent the aspirations of the majority of the syrian people to carry out terror attacks against the government and bring it down? if this isn't hypocrisy,then this must be something far worse and unprecedented in modern history.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by maclatunji: 12:30am On May 29, 2012|
^When it comes to these sorts of issues, Lagosshia is hardly different from Bear. One-way traffic.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by LagosShia: 1:04am On May 29, 2012|
maclatunji: ^When it comes to these sorts of issues, Lagosshia is hardly different from Bear. One-way traffic.
i'd take that as compliment.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by LagosShia: 1:57am On May 29, 2012|
an example of how those who "care" so much about the syrian people are busy committing their own massacres diretly (not through any agent like the free syrian army) without any UN condemnation and no one to say something against them:
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by LagosShia: 2:57pm On May 30, 2012|
news i just read:the victims of the houla massacre have been identified to be mostly alawites and Shia,especially alawites in the houla village of tel-dou who embraced mainstream Shiism from the alawite-shia-offshoot.
now tell me who other than the salafists aka wahhabi go about sectarian killings of Shia in afghanistan,pakistan,iraq,and now syria.the wahhabi armed groups backed by the zionist arabs in the wahhabi kingdoms of saudi arabia and qatar are committing sectarian cleansing,and then they accuse the government (led by Bashar,an alawite himself) of doing it.they and their masters in the west keep on milking the massacre to turn international pressure on the regime.very filthy!!! and these are the so called muslims who think they are practicing Islam.this is definitely not Islam.this is arabian jahiliyyah in its new form-wahhabism aka salafism!!!
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by LagosShia: 3:34pm On May 30, 2012|
[size=18pt]Phony ‘Houla Massacre’: How Media Manipulates Public Opinion For Regime Change in Syria[/size]
Intelligent skeptics should see through the media’s smoke screen in order to work out what is really going on in Syria
May 28, 2012
If you are still needing an academic tutorial on exactly how the mainstream media is able to generate a completely phony public consensus to support foreign intervention projects, you need look no further than the dangerous, fictional narrative currently being rolled out regarding Syria.
This past Saturday and Sunday morning, almost every major corporate mainstream newspaper and TV network in North America and in Europe ran with the average headline, “Massacre of the children as Syrian forces hit rebels”, giving hundreds of millions of readers and viewers to artificial impression that it was Syrian government forces – and not western-backed terrorist groups, who carried out a massacre on children and others days ago - even though, the true culprit of these attacks has not yet been determined – a fact which was only briefly mentioned later on in these very same media reports.
One of the UK best-selling weekend papers and most widely read online journals, Guardian media group’s The Observer, ran such a headline – one which shamelessly implied that the Syrian government carried out a massacre in Houla. This was used to shape public opinion in Europe, a reality which is later shaped for the North American market.
Corporate Journalism: The Art of Deception
It shouldn’t take a genius to see through this relentless western effort to takeover Syria, but not having learned their lesson from Libya, so many hard working and well educated westerners are bound to fall for it all over again.
Cui bono? Who benefits… from another civilian massacre? Clearly not the Syrian government. But western-backed terrorist groups who have been working to destabilize the country for over one year now, do clearly benefit.
Who would be the chief suspect for this latest massacre? How about the western-backed terrorists in Syria – the very same terrorist groups admitted to their own bombing campaign that killed many innocent people in Syria only weeks ago.
Important to add here also, that the latest child massacre in Syria has been reported as being “done with knives” – which doesn’t sound like a government attack to any intelligent reader.
Do not underestimate for one second just how pivotal the western corporate media is in advancing an agenda of global destabilization:
As we have seen used before in Syria and Libya, the alleged massacre in question is based entirely on unsubstantiated evidence, in this case its more uploaded ‘Youtube’ footage:
“Videos uploaded to the Internet and purporting to be from Houla show many dead and badly mutilated infants. Residents say some victims were killed with knives, while many more died from 18 hours of relentless shelling that left buildings wrecked and homes destroyed in a large residential area near the centre of town.”
Origins of these ‘Youtube video’ are still unknown, but the media machine and certain UN officials have already cited them as “evidence”. Also note that in the YouTube videos, many of the dead children appear to be shot in the heads with fire arms at close range, but this has not stopped certain ‘UN observers’ from accusing the Syrian government from killing children with tank shelling.
Mainstream Media 101
In order to shape consensus reality, first you need to frame the event. Here the story begins by laying soft blame on the Syrian government…
“Syria‘s fragile peace process is in shreds after what was claimed to be a regime-backed massacre…”
… and then proceeding to carefully cover themselves, so to speak, but retracting the allegations deeper into the article:
“Major General Robert Mood, head of the UN team in Syria, deplored the attack, which began at midday on Friday, as “indiscriminate and unforgivable” but did not say who had been to blame.”
Notice how the article itself states clearly that the persons responsible for the massacre is yet to be known, but The Observer has already framed the conclusion within the headline and in the beginning of the story, in order to fit a pre-determined conclusion. This conclusion happens to be directly in line with Washington and London’s foreign policy objective of regime change in Syria.
Take notes. Because this is how it’s done, time and time again – another clear example how large media outlets can effectively drive reality in the direction of their choosing, and this is why so many millions of public media consumers are left misinformed and dis informed, eventually leading to a marginal public endorsement of Washington, London and Tel Aviv’s interventionist foreign policy objectives.
Hours after this fake story was circulated in the GMT timezone, it made its way to EST, as the New York Times picks up the ball and runs it down the field. Here the story is further refined to streamline it with regime change policy objectives, codifying reality within North American sector, claiming that:
“More than 90 people, including at least 32 children under the age of 10, were killed in a central Syrian village, top United Nations officials said Saturday, accusing the government of perpetrating the “indiscriminate” shelling of civilian neighborhoods.”
And finally, the Washington Post weighs in with their attempt to corner Russia and China on the issue, rounding out the artificial verdict today with their headline, “U.N. Security Council blames Syrian government for civilian massacre”, claiming that:
“The U.N. Security Council on Sunday blamed the Syrian government for most of the deaths in a massacre of 116 civilians in the village of Houla, issuing a unanimous statement condemning the killings that was supported by Syria’s staunch allies Russia and China.”
Shortly thereafter, the UN’s Ban Ki Moon and Save the Children charity weigh in with carefully-craft statements, but statements that are obviously framed and directed towards Syria’s Assad government, and not Gulf States, Washington and London-backed terrorist gangs currently operating under an all but official western mandate within Syria and from their NATO-sanctioned base over the border in southern Turkey. Reality is further shaped by the
London Guardian’s Observer and others, with an official “international outcry”:
“The international community was united in its condemnation. UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon said the killings were a “flagrant violation of international law” while the White House called the violence acts of “unspeakable and inhuman brutality.” Arab League head Nabil Elaraby said the killings were a “horrific crime” and urged UN action.
Save the Children’s chief executive, Justin Forsyth, echoed calls for intervention. He said: “This indiscriminate killing must stop now. The world cannot sit back and allow this to happen. Children are suffering terribly in this conflict.”
Even the BBC have gone so far as to run 9 year old photographs from Iraq, and sell them as from this latest massacre of children in Syria. Any other foreign media outlet in the UK would have its broadcasting license pulled for such a propaganda stunt. In the face of such damning manipulation, why then would so many people still believe the mainstream media’s version of reality in countries like Syria?
But what is a more closer version of reality is this:
Western-backed terrorists, many of whom are al-Qaida, mostly hailing from outside of Syria, are fomenting civil war and carrying out a series of attacks on UN observers and civilians, in order to create the preferred western narrative that “Assad must go.”
Western readers should be under no illusion – your government operators are sanctioning civilian killing in places like Syria, and your corporate media are being used to place the blame on the west’s political enemy in the region – and therefore influence western public support for regime change.
After over one year of intervening through their own favored terrorist guerrilla proxy fighters and running arms into Syria – arms that are admittedly for going into the hands of western-backed al-Qaida groups there, the west has not yet succeeded in toppling the Assad government and installing a new puppet regime, as they did by using NATO military force in Libya last autumn. But western project managers like Hillary Clinton and William Hague have not given up, and if their corporate media outlets are allowed to determine their version reality in Syria, they will eventually get their “humanitarian intervention”, and the country will slowly be destroyed from within. Then regime change will happen.
It’s as simple as that.
The Syrian people are the ones who will eventually lose if Washington, London, Tel Aviv and the Gulf States succeed in destroying that country, as they have done in Libya and Iraq.
When this is done, then they will move on to destabilize Lebanon in order to unseat and neutralize Hezbollah.
After that, the door to attack Iran will be wide open.
There’s your World War Three in earnest.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by vedaxcool(m): 3:45pm On May 30, 2012|
The head of UN observers in Syria, Major-General Robert Mood, said 13 bodies had been discovered in the east of the country, with their hands tied behind their backs and signs that some had been shot in the head from close range.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by LagosShia: 9:24pm On May 30, 2012|
the below video shows a clip from saudi arabia and how wahhabi suicide bombers are openly and ceremoniously recruited to be sent into syria to destablize the latter.
"Suicide Bomber Auction for Syria in Saudi Arabia":
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by sino(m): 10:47pm On May 30, 2012|
This is really sad, i dont know why syria case just keep getting worse and complecated. May Allah have mercy on the departed souls amin
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by LagosShia: 11:50pm On May 30, 2012|
sino: This is really sad, i dont know why syria case just keep getting worse and complecated. May Allah have mercy on the departed souls amin
america,saudi,turkey and qatar do not want bashar al-assad.there is foreign interference to destroy syria.they are sending weapons and terrorists to strengthen the armed opposition that is absolutely not in the interests of syrians.and in the process,more innocent syrians are killed.
here is a thread i just started to shed light on what is going on in syria:
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by maclatunji: 10:13am On May 31, 2012|
^Lagosshia is on a PR blitz. I just have to say that none of these politicians is decent in my books including Bashar.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by LagosShia: 3:31pm On May 31, 2012|
maclatunji: ^Lagosshia is on a PR blitz. I just have to say that none of these politicians is decent in my books including Bashar.
are you trying to insult me,mr.moderator? that isn't funny.
and talking about decency,bashar is the most decent arab leader living today.he has his own shortcomings and fault,no doubt.but when compared to other arab leaders,he is far better.i am talking here based on islamic values and what is in the interests of the arabs countries.
this video says it all and sheds light why Bashar al-Assad inspite of support from majority of syrians is being ostracized and blackmailed:
[size=14pt]"Syrian president Bashar Al-Assad publicly snubbed the Israeli premier"[/size]
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by LagosShia: 3:37pm On May 31, 2012|
in the below video shows the actual incident where Bashar snubbed Olmert and turned him his back instead of giving him a handshake like other arab leaders were doing:
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by maclatunji: 4:07pm On May 31, 2012|
LOL, Politicians are politicians and it sad that the games they are playing from Beijing to Washington to Riyadh to Tehran to Damascus are costing so many innocent lives. Really sad!
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by LagosShia: 5:51pm On May 31, 2012|
maclatunji: LOL, Politicians are politicians and it sad that the games they are playing from Beijing to Washington to Riyadh to Tehran to Damascus are costing so many innocent lives. Really sad!
i think now you are trying to be silly Mr.Moderator!!!and you are get very annoying by deliberately driftly from the topic to sort of lessen the importance of what is happening in syria.you dont want to be fair and apportion blame to whom it is due.had it being confirmed bashar committed those crimes,you among others would not cease your condemnation.
we know politicians are politicians.but the criminal ones like those in washington,tel aviv and riyadh must be exposed.we are not talking corruption or embezzlement.we are talking here about an incident where over 100 people were massacred.do all politicians commit massacres?besides there are still those who got clean hands.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by maclatunji: 7:43pm On May 31, 2012|
What is all of this talk of me not being fair? Stop making a case that Bashar is totally a saint here. It takes two sides to fight a war. If you want to be a balanced reporter, present the negative reports on Bashar and let us decide for ourselves who the bad guys are.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by tbaba1234: 8:18pm On May 31, 2012|
It doesn't matter how much good bashar has done in the past or if he did not shake the hand of olmert... Musa grew up in Pharaoh household, It did not make pharaoh less guilty of the crimes committed against the nation of Israel...
There is way too much documented evidence showing the atrocities of bashar's soldiers on ordinary people, Is every video wrong? a propaganda to make bashar look bad? Journalists that died in syria died from bashar's weapons not from the free syrian army... The only place you get positive reports of bashar is presstv (iranian based) and russian based media.
I am not saying crimes have not been done by the opposition. The kind of damage on the buildings show heavy weapons which could only have come from the government. How come people flee the government controlled areas to the rebel controlled areas? Do they have something to be scared of?
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by sino(m): 12:12am On Jun 01, 2012|
LagosShia:And for how long will this continue? we can keep blaming saudi et al. for smuggling arms etc. but the onus lies on president Assad to take a decisive action to stop the atrocities being committed. we all watch the footage of how the rebels are being bombarded by assad's army...why is the peace plan by Koffi Annan not being accepted? if you do have enough proof of international interference in destabilizing Syria, wouldn't the international community be the best to tender your case to?
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by LagosShia: 1:56am On Jun 01, 2012|
maclatunji: What is all of this talk of me not being fair? Stop making a case that Bashar is totally a saint here. It takes two sides to fight a war. If you want to be a balanced reporter, present the negative reports on Bashar and let us decide for ourselves who the bad guys are.
tbaba1234: It doesn't matter how much good bashar has done in the past or if he did not shake the hand of olmert... Musa grew up in Pharaoh household, It did not make pharaoh less guilty of the crimes committed against the nation of Israel...
who is contending with you that it takes two sides to fight a war? i cannot give a negative report on bashar and his forces because as far as this world is concerned bashar's government is the legitimate representative of the syrian people.it has the right to defend syria's sovereignty.those rebels are foreign elements instigated by outside powers.what are libyans,lebanese sunnis,egyptians and tunisians busy doing in syria fighting their jihad?what do you expect a government to do?
it is true civilians have suffered.and it is that suffering that should make those ungodly powers and the wahhabi kingdoms to stop their interference in syria and stop sponsoring strife there.if bashar leaves syria today,the story won't be any different.bashar as the president of syria has the responsibility to ensure that he maintains peace,order and security.and if they are absent,it is his obligation to restore them.if he steps down,that would amount to abandoning his people to outside enemies.
civilians have suffered and we all know that.but it is unthinkable to believe that government forces whose duty is to fight rebels and renagades would go house to house using knives to butcher women and children.that action was done by rebels to turn the heat on the regime and force international condemnation.the government stands no benefit to gain from the massacre of houla.it is wrong therefore to condemn the government even if mistakenly civilians are killed by artilery fire or stray bullets.it is the duty of the government to restore order.you do not condemn the government forces for doing their job in the face of terrorists and groups sponsored by the enemies of syria who are pro-israel.you should condemn the terrorist groups and traitors backed from the outside who are destabilizing syria.
why is the story only different in syria? it admitted that bashar al-assad have the support of minorities in syria who make up 30-40% of the population and a large percentage too of sunnis.in other words he has a majority support from syrians.from the beginning when the protests of few thousands started,the violence automatically started and escalated.we didn't see any major square in syria (like tahrir square in egypt) occupied by millions of protesters.in fact what we saw in major syrian cities are millions of pro-government supporters gathering in major squares to support their president.it is obvious this so called revolution in syria is a sham and manufactured from the outside for sectarian reasons and to suit the interest of the zionists and their western friends.the western and arab media are complacent and share the blame in killing civilians in syria for their false reporting.many reports have been exposed as false.BBC using pictures from iraq massacres putting them as pictures from syria to stir outrage against the regime of bashar al-assad.there are many more examples exposing the lies of western and arab medias and the rebels and terrorists who supply them.
the massacre of houla was not done by the government forces.there were no buildings shelled or destroyed.when israel bombed houses in gaza and lebanon (read about the qana massacre 1 &2),bodies were found under rubble and not on their beds.the houla massacre was done by the wahhabi terrorists backed by the west to pressure the regime.
from the onset,the wahhabi kingdoms do not want a peaceful settlement in syria.they made sure the arab league mission failed.they suspended syria in the arab league.now they are again working to make sure the annan plan fails.bashar accepted to withdraw all army units from syrian cities back into the barracks and a halt to military campaign.but what happened?has the west and its puppets in the wahhabi kindoms stopped in sending terrorists and weapons across the borders from turkey and lebanon? no! what about the several wahhabi suicide bombings that have targeted government buildings and claimed civilian deaths? you cannot support a cease fire when wahhabi terrorists are blowing themselves up to further escalate tensions and wreck havoc.this is unfair!they want to humiliate bashar al-assad in essence and execute their plan.the fact is,there is no government around the world that would accept its territory being used by foreign elements or outside powers or countries backing rebels to fight against it.would nigeria allow boko haram to prevail and cease large area of land?that will not happen without a fight and a government attempt to crush them even if the entire world is supporting such a terrorist group.the international community (hijacked by the USA) has zero credibility.if not for russia and china,the americans and their allies and puppets would have again abused the united nations security council to violate the sovereignty of another country.thanks to the russian and chinese vetos,the UN was made relevant and significant.international diplomacy is gaining importance thanks to russia and china who are preventing another iraq and libya situation (unilateral action by the americans) in syria.such unilateral action by western powers would only result in a regional middle east war and a wider sunni-shia conflict that will spare no one (including israel) in that part of the world.the situation is in mess.outside powers dont just decide to oust the president of another country and change regime under the pretext of revolution or democracy.which democracy do the wahhabi kingdoms like saudi arabia and qatar have to preach to syria?what is their human right record? don't you know there is more freedom,human right and education in syria?syria is not a small or easy country.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by maclatunji: 11:29am On Jun 01, 2012|
^ The fact remains that there is a large population within Syria who don't want Bashar Al-Assad in power. If he was anywhere near being as good a leader as you proclaim, there wouldn't be a war in his country. Notice how Morocco and Saudi Arabia are relatively unaffected by the Arab revolution. It is not because their governments are perfect, it is because majority of citizens in these countries are comfortable enough with the status quo for it to remain. If they weren't, you would have them looking like Syria- as a result Bashar has failed and he continues to fail. He can hand-over power to a trusted ally to mitigate the war and stop the killings. Putin of Russia showed a lot of Political savvy and depth by allowing protests against his election because he knew they could not remove him from power. Why didn't Bashar do the same?
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by LagosShia: 12:14pm On Jun 01, 2012|
maclatunji: ^ The fact remains that there is a large population within Syria who don't want Bashar Al-Assad in power. If he was anywhere near being as good a leader as you proclaim, there wouldn't be a war in his country. Notice how Morocco and Saudi Arabia are relatively unaffected by the Arab revolution. It is not because their governments are perfect, it is because majority of citizens in these countries are comfortable enough with the status quo for it to remain. If they weren't, you would have them looking like Syria- as a result Bashar has failed and he continues to fail. He can hand-over power to a trusted ally to mitigate the war and stop the killings. Putin of Russia showed a lot of Political savvy and depth by allowing protests against his election because he knew they could not remove him from power. Why didn't Bashar do the same?
you keep failing to make any point that is correct.i am also disappointed in your lack of insight you have so far displayed.
there is nowhere in the world in any country where you do not find people disappointed or opposing their president.if you ask nigerians today if they are pleased with Jonathan,most would tell you they are disappointed and they would rather not have had him as president.does that give foreign powers and neighboring african countries like ghana,the right to exploit that situation?does it give them the right to send in weapons to groups like boko haram,and OPC and also send in trained fighters?well definitely,they cannot do that to nigeria because there is no "african spring" going on like the "arab spring" that the west is trying to ride on its tides.and also we do not have an enemy country next door that is staunchly backed by the west like syria has israel.also,when you compare nigeria to syria,nigeria is a haven for westerners and nigerian policies hardly conflict with western expectations.even in america,the president's rating of bush has gone below 40%.so anywhere you have an unpopular president,even with less than 50% of the populationdoes that mean the president should be resign or else the world should send in terrorists and weapons to destroy that country and blackmail the president.that is exactly what has gone on in syria.
why are morocco and saudi arabia "relatively" unaffacted by the arab spring?first i should disagree with you that saudi arabia is unaffected.there are factors in saudi arabia that have not yet come to the forefront for the saudis to troop to the streets.also,saudis are at least relatively rich and financially satisfied.in other words they are too laid back to do anything.they are "enjoying" life.when the arab spring was boiling,the saudi monarch offered financial incentive to his citizens to "make them happy".also,you cannot ignore that at least 20% to 25% of saudis are Shia who are dissatisfied and humiliated and oppressed by the regime of al-saud.they have been protesting.but the truth is you and i dont hear about it often because there is little or no coverage.being a Shia myself who visit Shia forums,i happen to know about what is happening around the world especially to the Shia Muslims.there have been martyrs in the predominantly Shia eastern province of saudi arabia.the eastern province is to saudi arabia what the niger-delta is to nigeria.that is where the oil wealth is buried.saudi arabia has also interferred in bahrain where hundreds have been killed.also,you do not hear about bahrain because the monarchy in bahrain is backed both by the saudis and also the west.the king of bahrain is another puppet.saudi tanks are stationed in bahrain with thousands of saudi troops.70-80% of bahrainis are Shia and they are fed-up with the oppression and racism of the monarchy.the saudis are busy shooting at anti-government demonstrators in bahrain while they are sending terrorists and weapons "to help democracy" in syria.isn't that ridiculous?doesn't that tell you there is a game going on?doesn't it tell you sectarianism is taking its toll and the arab spring is as good as dead? the fact is if Mubarak of egypt or ben ali of tunisia had the support of a majority that bashar al-assad has in syria,neither of them would have fled and abandoned their positions.the west and the outside world knew they could not oppose the people's majority opposition.in syria,they are faking a revolution and blowing out of proportions what does not exist.that is the power of foreigners meddling with your own affairs.
as for morocco,there is also another factor:monarchy.even europeans are not in favor to see monarchies in the arab world disgraced and humiliated out of power as it did happened in Iran in 1979 after the Islamic revolution drove the shah (king) out of power.if qaddafi was a monarch,he would not have faced the humiliation he faced even if he was to leave power.any such occurrence would set a precedence in this our time.with the financial problems europe is going through,we could see british wanting an abolishion of the monarchy and likewise spanish,swedes,dutch and others.also,your point that a country like morocco is relatively stable (with only pockets of protest) proves two things:
1.) there were also pockets of protest in syria.unlike syria,there is no one to exploit such tiny outburst of dissatisfaction in morocco.
2.) when a leader is loved or supported by the majority,it doesn't matter how long he has ruled even if there is the need for change and improving the political system.the monarch of morocco has implemented reforms to avert any turmoil in his country.but in syria,reforms are not enough to spare bashar.that should again make a sceptic like yourself to wonder.
the problem in syria was not in stopping political protests by the government.the problem is in those who took advantage of the initial protests to turn it into violence.in russia,which country would send in terrorists and weapons to the russian opposition against putin to destabilize russia?not even america can try that rubbish they are displaying in syria.there is opposition in syria as there is in nigeria,america and russia.but does that give outside powers the right to support regime change?why have we not heard of those pockets of protests in syria again?where are the anti-government protests?is it not obvious that was exploited for something nasty by outsiders? in the protests in syria,the largest crowd you had was not more than 5000-10,000.is that the number of protesters out of over 22 million people to make a revolution,topple the president and change regime?why have we not seen anti-government protesters in the millions in syria?no matter how brutal a regime is and suppressive,if millions go to the streets,there is nothing it can do.but that did not happen in syria because the majority back their president.in iran,the shah was very brutal.yet millions of people went to the streets and forced him to leave.that was at a time there was no internet,satellite news channels or facebook and twitter.in egypt,mubarak was fighting protesters.yet when millions gathered in tahrir square in cairo,he was eventually forced to leave.in syria,we did not see any square occupied by millions of protesters against bashar al-assad.why?what we saw are millions in squares coming to show support in favor of their president.if the president can bring millions into the streets to support him,then was anyone forcing the millions to support him?those pro-government rallies happened several times in syria.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by maclatunji: 12:58pm On Jun 01, 2012|
^You seem desperate. Are there people working against Bashar's regime from within and outside Syria? Yes. Has Bashar played into their hands by employing instruments of coercion instead of subtle diplomacy? Yes! Hence, it is time for him to go. Asking him to stay is asking for a long-drawn war that will cost hundreds of thousands of lives. You with your insight should see that. In case you don't get where I am coming from, let me tell you that I am only interested in getting the violence and unnecessary killings stopped.
Your ideas and opinions will only ensure that they continue as long as Bashar is in power. I am saying let Bashar step down; even for his brother or cousin or whatever and let the killings stop.
|Re: Silence Is Betrayal #houlamassacre #syria by vedaxcool(m): 3:13pm On Jun 01, 2012|
Sometimes stuffs like these is what people use to discredit religion, when truth is severely distorted just to fool none save themselves, when one sees the on-going conflicts you only see Hypocrisy and fanaticism, first we had expected the mumu Iran regime which pretends to support freedom to have cautioned their puppet ( off course Bashar manipulates the Iranians just like toys, his game plan has always been to use the Iranians as a lever to controlling the west all this years knowing that once syria falls to non-Iranian infulence Iran becomes more isolated), the funny thing remains this Iranians have continued to pump weapons to the thug Bashar ( because he didn't shale olmert wat a joke) without any demands off accountability or even caution on the growing deaths, yet with all their foolishness of supporting freedom they prefer seeing an animal as long as he is a heretical shia ( bashar type of shia worships Ali out rightly). The truth remains till now Bashar thugs are still bombading Houla where the recent massacre took place, when the chips are down he will be booted out in a more disgraceful manner than Gaddafi, here is a dictator who runs a Police state in which neighbors spy on each other etc out of fear, here is a man who tortures his own people to keep them in line, depriving them of their rights, the arab spring embolden them to ask for their right and indeed oppression is worse than slaughter, may Allah bring the fall of the tyrant and humiliate those who slaughterers the innocents amin.
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