David J Wasserstein is the Eugene Greener Jr Professor of Jewish Studies at Vanderbilt University. This article is adapted from last week's Jordan Lectures in Comparative Religion at the School of Oriental and African Studies.

So, what did the Muslims do for the Jews?
The JC Essay

By David J Wasserstein, May 24, 2012
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Islam saved Jewry. This is an unpopular, discomforting claim in the modern world. But it is a historical truth. The argument for it is double. First, in 570 CE, when the Prophet Mohammad was born, the Jews and Judaism were on the way to oblivion. And second, the coming of Islam saved them, providing a new context in which they not only survived, but flourished, laying foundations for subsequent Jewish cultural prosperity - also in Christendom - through the medieval period into the modern world.

By the fourth century, Christianity had become the dominant religion in the Roman empire. One aspect of this success was opposition to rival faiths, including Judaism, along with massive conversion of members of such faiths, sometimes by force, to Christianity. Much of our testimony about Jewish existence in the Roman empire from this time on consists of accounts of conversions.

Great and permanent reductions in numbers through conversion, between the fourth and the seventh centuries, brought with them a gradual but relentless whittling away of the status, rights, social and economic existence, and religious and cultural life of Jews all over the Roman empire.

A long series of enactments deprived Jewish people of their rights as citizens, prevented them from fulfilling their religious obligations, and excluded them from the society of their fellows.

Had Islam not come along, Jewry in the west would have declined to disappearance and Jewry in the east would have become just another oriental cult

This went along with the centuries-long military and political struggle with Persia. As a tiny element in the Christian world, the Jews should not have been affected much by this broad, political issue. Yet it affected them critically, because the Persian empire at this time included Babylon - now Iraq - at the time home to the world's greatest concentration of Jews.

Here also were the greatest centres of Jewish intellectual life. The most important single work of Jewish cultural creativity in over 3,000 years, apart from the Bible itself - the Talmud - came into being in Babylon. The struggle between Persia and Byzantium, in our period, led increasingly to a separation between Jews under Byzantine, Christian rule and Jews under Persian rule.

Beyond all this, the Jews who lived under Christian rule seemed to have lost the knowledge of their own culturally specific languages - Hebrew and Aramaic - and to have taken on the use of Latin or Greek or other non-Jewish, local, languages. This in turn must have meant that they also lost access to the central literary works of Jewish culture - the Torah, Mishnah, poetry, midrash, even liturgy.

The loss of the unifying force represented by language - and of the associated literature - was a major step towards assimilation and disappearance. In these circumstances, with contact with the one place where Jewish cultural life continued to prosper - Babylon - cut off by conflict with Persia, Jewish life in the Christian world of late antiquity was not simply a pale shadow of what it had been three or four centuries earlier. It was doomed.

Had Islam not come along, the conflict with Persia would have continued. The separation between western Judaism, that of Christendom, and Babylonian Judaism, that of Mesopotamia, would have intensified. Jewry in the west would have declined to disappearance in many areas. And Jewry in the east would have become just another oriental cult.

But this was all prevented by the rise of Islam. The Islamic conquests of the seventh century changed the world, and did so with dramatic, wide-ranging and permanent effect for the Jews.

Within a century of the death of Mohammad, in 632, Muslim armies had conquered almost the whole of the world where Jews lived, from Spain eastward across North Africa and the Middle East as far as the eastern frontier of Iran and beyond. Almost all the Jews in the world were now ruled by Islam. This new situation transformed Jewish existence. Their fortunes changed in legal, demographic, social, religious, political, geographical, economic, linguistic and cultural terms - all for the better.

First, things improved politically. Almost everywhere in Christendom where Jews had lived now formed part of the same political space as Babylon - Cordoba and Basra lay in the same political world. The old frontier between the vital centre in Babylonia and the Jews of the Mediterranean basin was swept away, forever.

Political change was partnered by change in the legal status of the Jewish population: although it is not always clear what happened during the Muslim conquests, one thing is certain. The result of the conquests was, by and large, to make the Jews second-class citizens.

This should not be misunderstood: to be a second-class citizen was a far better thing to be than not to be a citizen at all. For most of these Jews, second-class citizenship represented a major advance. In Visigothic Spain, for example, shortly before the Muslim conquest in 711, the Jews had seen their children removed from them and forcibly converted to Christianity and had themselves been enslaved.

In the developing Islamic societies of the classical and medieval periods, being a Jew meant belonging to a category defined under law, enjoying certain rights and protections, alongside various obligations. These rights and protections were not as extensive or as generous as those enjoyed by Muslims, and the obligations were greater but, for the first few centuries, the Muslims themselves were a minority, and the practical differences were not all that great.

Along with legal near-equality came social and economic equality. Jews were not confined to ghettos, either literally or in terms of economic activity. The societies of Islam were, in effect, open societies. In religious terms, too, Jews enjoyed virtually full freedom. They might not build many new synagogues - in theory - and they might not make too public their profession of their faith, but there was no really significant restriction on the practice of their religion. Along with internal legal autonomy, they also enjoyed formal representation, through leaders of their own, before the authorities of the state. Imperfect and often not quite as rosy as this might sound, it was at least the broad norm.

The political unity brought by the new Islamic world-empire did not last, but it created a vast Islamic world civilisation, similar to the older Christian civilisation that it replaced. Within this huge area, Jews lived and enjoyed broadly similar status and rights everywhere. They could move around, maintain contacts, and develop their identity as Jews. A great new expansion of trade from the ninth century onwards brought the Spanish Jews - like the Muslims - into touch with the Jews and the Muslims even of India.

A ll this was encouraged by a further, critical development. Huge numbers of people in the new world of Islam adopted the language of the Muslim Arabs. Arabic gradually became the principal language of this vast area, excluding almost all the rest: Greek and Syriac, Aramaic and Coptic and Latin all died out, replaced by Arabic. Persian, too, went into a long retreat, to reappear later heavily influenced by Arabic.

The Jews moved over to Arabic very rapidly. By the early 10th century, only 300 years after the conquests, Sa'adya Gaon was translating the Bible into Arabic. Bible translation is a massive task - it is not undertaken unless there is a need for it. By about the year 900, the Jews had largely abandoned other languages and taken on Arabic.

The change of language in its turn brought the Jews into direct contact with broader cultural developments. The result from the 10th century on was a striking pairing of two cultures. The Jews of the Islamic world developed an entirely new culture, which differed from their culture before Islam in terms of language, cultural forms, influences, and uses. Instead of being concerned primarily with religion, the new Jewish culture of the Islamic world, like that of its neighbours, mixed the religious and the secular to a high degree. The contrast, both with the past and with medieval Christian Europe, was enormous.

Like their neighbours, these Jews wrote in Arabic in part, and in a Jewish form of that language. The use of Arabic brought them close to the Arabs. But the use of a specific Jewish form of that language maintained the barriers between Jew and Muslim. The subjects that Jews wrote about, and the literary forms in which they wrote about them, were largely new ones, borrowed from the Muslims and developed in tandem with developments in Arabic Islam.

Also at this time, Hebrew was revived as a language of high literature, parallel to the use among the Muslims of a high form of Arabic for similar purposes. Along with its use for poetry and artistic prose, secular writing of all forms in Hebrew and in (Judeo-)Arabic came into being, some of it of high quality.

Much of the greatest poetry in Hebrew written since the Bible comes from this period. Sa'adya Gaon, Solomon Ibn Gabirol, Ibn Ezra (Moses and Abraham), Maimonides, Yehuda Halevi, Yehudah al-Harizi, Samuel ha-Nagid, and many more - all of these names, well known today, belong in the first rank of Jewish literary and cultural endeavour.

W here did these Jews produce all this? When did they and their neighbours achieve this symbiosis, this mode of living together? The Jews did it in a number of centres of excellence. The most outstanding of these was Islamic Spain, where there was a true Jewish Golden Age, alongside a wave of cultural achievement among the Muslim population. The Spanish case illustrates a more general pattern, too.

What happened in Islamic Spain - waves of Jewish cultural prosperity paralleling waves of cultural prosperity among the Muslims - exemplifies a larger pattern in Arab Islam. In Baghdad, between the ninth and the twelfth centuries; in Qayrawan (in north Africa), between the ninth and the 11th centuries; in Cairo, between the 10th and the 12th centuries, and elsewhere, the rise and fall of cultural centres of Islam tended to be reflected in the rise and fall of Jewish cultural activity in the same places.

This was not coincidence, and nor was it the product of particularly enlightened liberal patronage by Muslim rulers. It was the product of a number of deeper features of these societies, social and cultural, legal and economic, linguistic and political, which together enabled and indeed encouraged the Jews of the Islamic world to create a novel sub-culture within the high civilisation of the time.

This did not last for ever; the period of culturally successful symbiosis between Jew and Arab Muslim in the middle ages came to a close by about 1300. In reality, it had reached this point even earlier, with the overall relative decline in the importance and vitality of Arabic culture, both in relation to western European cultures and in relation to other cultural forms within Islam itself; Persian and Turkish.

Jewish cultural prosperity in the middle ages operated in large part as a function of Muslim, Arabic cultural (and to some degree political) prosperity: when Muslim Arabic culture thrived, so did that of the Jews; when Muslim Arabic culture declined, so did that of the Jews.

In the case of the Jews, however, the cultural capital thus created also served as the seed-bed of further growth elsewhere - in Christian Spain and in the Christian world more generally.

The Islamic world was not the only source of inspiration for the Jewish cultural revival that came later in Christian Europe, but it certainly was a major contributor to that development. Its significance cannot be overestimated.

http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/comment/68082/so-what-did-muslims-do-jews

islamic section is that way ===>
or have they banned you?

^Not yet...

What a load of tosh !!!!

Islam loves all religions as long as those religions accept that they are second class dhimmis and kaffirs

Tbaba, visit this thread, it follows on the unfair treatment of unbelievers
https://www.nairaland.com/952084/religious-people-really-think-that

^ It is not my words, It is the words of a Jewish professor

^Anyone with half knowledge of Jewish history will know this....

tbaba1234: ^ It is not my words, It is the words of a Jewish professor

I did not disagree with the article Tbaba. My history is not that deep!

tbaba1234: ^Anyone with half knowledge of Jewish history will know this....

Oya, go to my thread

n Paris, a grand mosque built in honour of the 100,000 Muslim soldiers who died fighting for France in the First World War, became a sanctuary for Jews escaping persecution less than three decades later. Si Kaddour Benghabrit was a French Algerian who was deeply loyal to France. During World War I, he was appointed honourary consul-general and served the religious needs of Muslims in the French army. After the war came to an end, he worked in the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs until 1920, when the parliament decided to acknowledge his loyalty by asking him to establish a mosque in Paris. Six years later, the Great Mosque of Paris became a reality and Benghabrit was appointed its rector.

When war broke out in Europe again, and Jewish lives were in danger, Benghabrit used the mosque as a hiding place, issuing each person with a fake certificate of Muslim identity. One North African Jew named Albert Assouline who had escaped from a German prison camp, wrote of his experience hiding in the mosque, “No fewer than 1,732 resistance fighters found refuge in its underground caverns. These included Muslim escapees but also Christians and Jews. The latter were by far the most numerous.” Accounts differ on the number of those saved, yet it remains a shining story of human solidarity.

In tracing the story down it seems that the main witness was Assouline. As described by the American Council for Judaism in a book review of Robert Satloff's Among the Righteous:

According to Assouline, he and an Algerian named Yassa Rabah escaped together from the camp and stealthily traversed the countryside across the French-German border, heading for Paris. Once in Paris they made their way to the mosque, where, evidently thanks to Rabah’s connections to the Algerian community, the two found refuge. Eventually Assouline continued his journey and joined up with Free French forces to continue the fight against the German occupation ... the most fantastic part of the story was his claim that the mosque provided sanctuary and sustenance to Jews hiding from the Vichy and German troops as well as to other fighters in the anti-Fascist resistance.

In a 1983 article for Almanach due Combattant, a French veterans’ magazine, Assouline wrote [that] the senior imam of the mosque, Si Mohammed Benzouaou took “considerable risk” by hiding Jews and providing many (including many children) with certificates of Muslim identity, with which they could avoid deportation and certain death. Assouline recalled one “hot alert” when German soldiers smelled the odor of cigarettes and, convinced that Muslims were forbidden to smoke, searched the mosque looking for hidden Jews. According to Assouline, the Jews were able to escape via sewer tunnels that connected the mosque to nearby buildings.

http://jewishrefugees..com/2011/08/paris-muslims-who-saved-jews-from-nazis.html

vedaxcool: n Paris, a grand mosque built in honour of the 100,000 Muslim soldiers who died fighting for France in the First World War, became a sanctuary for Jews escaping persecution less than three decades later. Si Kaddour Benghabrit was a French Algerian who was deeply loyal to France. During World War I, he was appointed honourary consul-general and served the religious needs of Muslims in the French army. After the war came to an end, he worked in the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs until 1920, when the parliament decided to acknowledge his loyalty by asking him to establish a mosque in Paris. Six years later, the Great Mosque of Paris became a reality and Benghabrit was appointed its rector.

When war broke out in Europe again, and Jewish lives were in danger, Benghabrit used the mosque as a hiding place, issuing each person with a fake certificate of Muslim identity. One North African Jew named Albert Assouline who had escaped from a German prison camp, wrote of his experience hiding in the mosque, “No fewer than 1,732 resistance fighters found refuge in its underground caverns. These included Muslim escapees but also Christians and Jews. The latter were by far the most numerous.” Accounts differ on the number of those saved, yet it remains a shining story of human solidarity.

In tracing the story down it seems that the main witness was Assouline. As described by the American Council for Judaism in a book review of Robert Satloff's Among the Righteous:

According to Assouline, he and an Algerian named Yassa Rabah escaped together from the camp and stealthily traversed the countryside across the French-German border, heading for Paris. Once in Paris they made their way to the mosque, where, evidently thanks to Rabah’s connections to the Algerian community, the two found refuge. Eventually Assouline continued his journey and joined up with Free French forces to continue the fight against the German occupation ... the most fantastic part of the story was his claim that the mosque provided sanctuary and sustenance to Jews hiding from the Vichy and German troops as well as to other fighters in the anti-Fascist resistance.

In a 1983 article for Almanach due Combattant, a French veterans’ magazine, Assouline wrote [that] the senior imam of the mosque, Si Mohammed Benzouaou took “considerable risk” by hiding Jews and providing many (including many children) with certificates of Muslim identity, with which they could avoid deportation and certain death. Assouline recalled one “hot alert” when German soldiers smelled the odor of cigarettes and, convinced that Muslims were forbidden to smoke, searched the mosque looking for hidden Jews. According to Assouline, the Jews were able to escape via sewer tunnels that connected the mosque to nearby buildings.

http://jewishrefugees..com/2011/08/paris-muslims-who-saved-jews-from-nazis.html

Funny how you guys always mention the good side of things and never mention how unbelievers were also discriminated against by muslims.

Funny atheist always mention the "bad" things muslims do but never mention the good things they do, neither do they mention the evils athiest do in the name of atheism . . . well so much for "funny"

vedaxcool: Funny atheist always mention the "bad" things muslims do but never mention the good things they do, neither do they mention the evils athiest do in the name of atheism . . . well so much for "funny"

hahaha. Unfortunately, atheism is not a belief and you cant actually do a bad thing because you are an atheist. Atheism has never been a motive for murder.


"I kill you because I dont believe in God"


Does the above threat even makes any sense?

logicboy:


hahaha. Unfortunately, atheism is not a belief and you cant actually do a bad thing because you are an atheist. Atheism has never been a motive for murder.


"I kill you because I dont believe in God"


Does the above threat even makes any sense?

even if you love pointing out the bad things muslims do (as there are bad believers everywhere as there are bad atheists),do not try to make it look as if it is the religion that made them bad;because our religion only teaches us goodness and tolerance and how to defend ourselves against oppressors even if the oppressor claims to be muslim like Yazid.

LagosShia:

even if you love pointing out the bad things muslims do (as there are bad believers everywhere as there are bad atheists),do not try to make it look as if it is the religion that made them bad;because our religion only teaches us goodness and tolerance and how to defend ourselves against oppressors even if the oppressor claims to be muslim like Yazid.

Let me explain


-There are bad atheists but they are not bad because they are atheists

-There are bad religious people, some are bad because they are religious, some are bad for other reasons.



To clarify, a bad muslim can be bad because he is a muslim. A bad atheist can not be bad because he is an atheist. It's like saying that someone is evil because he doesnt believe in thor or santa clause.

Why were Salman Rushdie's translators killed? Because of Islam

Stalin killed many people. Stalin was an atheist. But did he kill because he was an atheist? No, he killed because of his communist and dictatorial ideals

because our religion only teaches us goodness and tolerance and how to defend ourselves against oppressors even if the oppressor claims to be muslim like Yazid

Does your religion allow me to get married to my muslim girlfriend? No! Therefore, your religion is teaching bigotry/discrimination against unbelievers not goodness.

Oops!

logicboy:


hahaha. Unfortunately, atheism is not a belief and you cant actually do a bad thing because you are an atheist. Atheism has never been a motive for murder.


"I kill you because I dont believe in God"


Does the above threat even makes any sense?

Does this make sense to u " I will kill because u believe in God" and always understand your problem, go read about state atheism, in communist Russia there was an incident of an atheist killing a muslim woman, and this was simply due to the fact that the woman believed in God, this point was reiterated by the state prosecuetor who said hadn't been for religion the woman would have been alive. And brain check communism is an atheistic philosophy rooted in denying God existence and asserting only the material exist, when I am chanced I will lucnh a thread that speaks of evil atheism. And atheist doinhg evil is usually without restraint, u would noticed millions died in the hands of Stalin etc . The jokes always on u, u can't do evil because you are an atheist? Realy are u for real, look at your atheist leaders like Nieztche who claimed no such thing like morality and gave himself free license to jump from bed to bed living in debauchery, which will later lead to syphilis and madness, or imagine the fact that an atheist feels because there is no morality he has no one to answer to he tells lies, cheat and does all things because of this, won't we be right to say the man did this because he didn't believe in God? Anyway read on state atheism then u might want to see why atheism could do evil! Cheers

vedaxcool:


Does this make sense to u " I will kill because u believe in God"

I have actually been told that. This is what my own cousin told me "Do no insult Jesus because I believe in him and will stab you if you continue"

vedaxcool:
and always understand your problem, go read about state atheism, in communist Russia there was an incident of an atheist killing a muslim woman, and this was simply due to the fact that the woman believed in God, this point was reiterated by the state prosecuetor who said hadn't been for religion the woman would have been alive. And brain check communism is an atheistic philosophy rooted in denying God existence and asserting only the material exist, when I am chanced I will lucnh a thread that speaks of evil atheism. And atheist doinhg evil is usually without restraint, u would noticed millions died in the hands of Stalin etc . The jokes always on u, u can't do evil because you are an atheist? Realy are u for real, look at your atheist leaders like Nieztche who claimed no such thing like morality and gave himself free license to jump from bed to bed living in debauchery, which will later lead to syphilis and madness, or imagine the fact that an atheist feels because there is no morality he has no one to answer to he tells lies, cheat and does all things because of this, won't we be right to say the man did this because he didn't believe in God? Anyway read on state atheism then u might want to see why atheism could do evil! Cheers

lol, does it sadden you that you can not attach motives to atheism? The Russian woman that yo are talking about was killed by an anti-religous person or an anti-theist. He didnt kill her because of atheism but rather anti-theism. I'm too good for you Vedaxcool




As for communism. Communists did not kill because of atheism. There were christin communists as well. Even so, communist is described as a state religion itself.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?rlz=1C1DSGK_enGB420GB420&aq=1&oq=communism+is+a+rel&sugexp=chrome,mod=5&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=communism+is+a+state+religion


Am I just too much?






Actually, I have been told that! "

my new thread
https://www.nairaland.com/952935/religious-bigotry

logicboy:

I have actually been told that. This is what my own cousin told me "Do no insult Jesus because I believe in him and will stab you if you continue"

Poor child didn't even understand the simple question, that indicated that an atheist can kill because others believe in God, really u usually deserve pity every time I read your response.

logicboy:
lol, does it sadden you that you can not attach motives to atheism? The Russian woman that yo are talking about was killed by an anti-religous person or an anti-theist. He didnt kill her because of atheism but rather anti-theism. I'm too good for you Vedaxcool

Anti - theism as a result of being an atheist!

logicboy:
As for communism. Communists did not kill because of atheism. There were christin communists as well. Even so, communist is described as a state religion itself.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?rlz=1C1DSGK_enGB420GB420&aq=1&oq=communism+is+a+rel&sugexp=chrome,mod=5&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=communism+is+a+state+religion


Am I just too much?






Actually, I have been told that!

Oh poor thing, communism is an atheistic philosophy, and I see u have not really read on state atheism! When u have something sensible to bring then we can talk, as communist actively sort to abolish religion, in communist Russia atheism was actively promoted and religion was deliberately suppressed and in most cases killed off!

vedaxcool:

Poor child didn't even understand the simple question, that indicated that an atheist can kill because others believe in God, really u usually deserve pity every time I read your response.

Not believing in God can never be a motive for murder. Never. Atheism is a theological standpoint and not a philosophy or religion or belief. It would be like saying I killed someone because I dont believe in the tooth-fairy! If someone dresses up as a tooth fairy and I kill her, the diagnosis or motive is that I am insane and not that I dont believe in tooth-fairies.

vedaxcool:
Anti - theism as a result of being an atheist!

Nope, that is a leap. The guy could have just been insane or molested by a religious woman in the past. You will always find it hard to put atheis as a motive for murder

vedaxcool:
Oh poor thing, communism is an atheistic philosophy, and I see u have not really read on state atheism! When u have something sensible to bring then we can talk, as communist actively sort to abolish religion, in communist Russia atheism was actively promoted and religion was deliberately suppressed and in most cases killed off!

Communism itself can be described as a religion. Communism did not arise out of atheism- it is a result of wanting an orderly and classless society.

Please, what exactly is the difference between communism and religion? There are many religions without a God- Buddhism is one.


When will you accept that I'm smarter than you?

[quote author=logicboy]

Not believing in God can never be a motive for murder. Never. Atheism is a theological standpoint and not a philosophy or religion or belief. It would be like saying I killed someone because I dont believe in the tooth-fairy! If someone dresses up as a tooth fairy and I kill her, the diagnosis or motive is that I am insane and not that I dont believe in tooth-fairies. [quote]

Poor child, I just showed u that one can get killed because he believes in God, the case of the atheist man that murdered a muslim woman because she belived in God comes to mind. Your usual inability to make sense is not is not new, as atheism actually "frees" people from having any sense of guilt for their crimes, take stalin he probably said to himself no one would judge no after life so I will do as I please, in any case an atheist can kill because one believes in God.


[quote author=logicboy]
Nope, that is a leap. The guy could have just been insane or molested by a religious woman in the past. You will always find it hard to put atheis as a motive for murder[quote]

Well that wasn't the case from what I read.

[quote author=logicboy]
Communism itself can be described as a religion. Communism did not arise out of atheism- it is a result of wanting an orderly and classless society.

Please, what exactly is the difference between communism and religion? There are many religions without a God- Buddhism is one.


When will you accept that I'm smarter than you?[quote]

Pity, communism is an atheistic philosophy, even wiki says so. Once more u prefer banter to reasoning, and indeed I would accept you are smarter than me when you behave so and post likewise, and no insult u look to be competing with two others for the dumbest atheist on nl!

@Vedaxcool, you are talking nonsense. This is how you act everytime I debunk you!

1) I debunked your example- atheism can not be a motive for murder. A person can not just kill because he is an atheist. Atheism is only a theological standpoint. It is like me not believing in the tooth fairy and then going to kill someone who dresses as the tooth fairy- the motive is insanity not disbelief. If you want to use disbelief to investigate and solve the murder, you will catch no one.

2) Communism itself is a religion. Define religion

What are the necessary criteria for a religion?

-Supreme leaders (either men or gods)
-set of beliefs or customs
-devoted members
-laws guiding human affairs
-promise of benefit to adherents/punishment to unbelievers


Communism is a religion

Soon "logic"boy will call capitalism a religion, sometimes u begin to suspect ignorance is highly correlated with atheism!

vedaxcool: Soon "logic"boy will call capitalism a religion, sometimes u begin to suspect ignorance is highly correlated with atheism!

Capitalism is not a religion, it is an economic system, just like socialism.


Communism is a political and social system (which is socialist at heart) just like any religion. Sharia comes to mind.



I always knew that you were ignorant.


Do you now agree that I'm smarter than you?

this is a message to the moderator (Maclatunji) who is banning Shia members (including my senior brother "LagosShia") on the forum in a bid to silence them.you should know firstly that this forum isn't your father's property.even the owner appreciates the fact that the forum is a public forum.

you are abusing your mandate and portraying yourself as insane.May Allah (swt) hold you accountable for your tyranny online.you should know that we are many and if we wish,we can gather up to 100 members in this forum to make sure nothing but Islam as the Shia follow it in its pure form (not sunnism/wahhabism) prevails.

be mindful of Allah tabaraka.if you refuse to act responsibly,we'd make sure you get fed-up in moderating this forum.we'd turn it into a mess.your planned assault at a specific group of people is disgraceful.

i hope Seun sees this or if things do not change i'd make sure the nonsense prevailing here gets to his knowledge.i wonder what type of moderator take sides.