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Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by kikuyu1(m): 9:59am On Aug 10, 2012
Here's a Spanish countess explaining the black African nature of her al Mohavid Moor ancestors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4LzdiNblI8&feature=plcp

She tells of how her own family and other nobles whitened their ancestors in official histories and documents. The whole video is worth a look and will properly educate those who believe the fairy tales we've been force fed for far too long.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by PhysicsQED(m): 2:10pm On Aug 10, 2012
Dude, you're talking about Spain which everyone knows was ruled by the Moors for a period of time. That is quite a world away from all the ridiculous claiming the thread starter is doing.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by PAGAN9JA(m): 11:28pm On Aug 10, 2012
^^^^^^^^^ and also he doesnt realise that Spain is just opposite the Berber Nations across the sea. everyone knows that the moors came for a short while there, ruled and were kicked out.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by pazienza(m): 5:10pm On Aug 11, 2012
Actually,the op is right,blacks were in europe before the whites invaded the continent from central asia, the celts and gauls were same people,they were blacks. I will be back to shed more light on this and more.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by PhysicsQED(m): 6:46pm On Aug 11, 2012
Make sure not to rely on Ivan van Sertima or David MacRitchie when you do come back to "shed light" on that because if you do you'll just be wasting your time.

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Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by ezeagu(m): 8:49pm On Aug 11, 2012
Why do many people of African descent spend so much time and effort in discovering "black" relics outside of Africa or in places where there are no current black populations?

Wouldn't all this time be better spent developing the research of known 'black' cultures which are suffering from being the least researched?
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by kikuyu1(m): 9:39am On Aug 12, 2012
The true racial composition of Europe has been presented to us as a White continent so that we do not know
that Africans were the rulers of Europe and it was through inter-marriage that White people penetrated the
Black aristocracy until the 1841 when the aristocracy became whitened and decided to partition and colonize Africa.

It is time to re-examine all the images we have been shown in our textbooks and claim our heritage which included
Europe. In ancient times, Europe was practically Northern Africa, because military and scientific knowledge was
controlled by Africans called Moors (pre-Christian and later Christian and Muslim)
It was Africans who introduced Christianity into Europe and converted the arriving white Europeans to a Black Mary
and a Black Jesus.

The racial composition of the ancient world was very different when religious books were written
so we need to re-evaluate the images that we daily associate with the persons in these books.

Culture is the most powerful weapon holding down the big continent of Africa, because we have been deceived
about our History in the Faculty of Arts of tertiary institutions that were established by Europeans
to reinforce propaganda about the assumed Euro-Arab superiority over Black People.

Our development begins in our minds and will manifest in our ability to produce our needs, from toothpicks to petrol.


Here are useful hyper-links:


When Saxony was Black and England had Black Royal Families http://www.beforebc.de/all_europe/02-16-800-00-73..EnglandsFirstRoyalFamilyWasBlack.html
African featured nobility of Early Europe http://www.beforebc.de/all_europe/02-16-800-00-51.html
Kings of England and When Africans had straight hair http://www.beforebc.de/all_europe/02-16-800-00-65a.html
Africans of Ancient Germany http://www.beforebc.de/all_europe/02-16-800-00-90.html
Ferdinand and Isabelle, the Catholics http://www.beforebc.de/all_europe/02-16-800-40-NW-cas-88-000-20-10-00..Ferdinand-II.and.Isabel.of.Castile.jpg
The links explain everything. They reveal original unmistakable depictions of black royalty and how over time they were whitened.Fyi,David MacRitchie is an excellent researcher;in the 1880s he didn't allow prevailing attitudes to influence his work. Here's just one example on page 45 of his 'Ancient and Modern Britain,'where he says early Scots and Iberians were both Ethiopians. Massey even said the builders of Stonehenge were African and linguistic evidence supports his theory.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 4:19pm On Aug 13, 2012
It is only in the last Two hundred Years that White Rulership of the World
gradually came into being. The success of colonization of Africa in the 1900s prompted the
propagation of the Indo-European Origin myth to justify to justify White People
as the Masters of the entire world. Ariel and Will Durant were sponsored to
go round the world gathering material for a series of books called The History of Civilization.
This was were they impersonated all the Black People in history and authoritatively used words to paint them White.

At the time,the Macedonian Greek, Alexander The Great was welcomed to invade Ancient Egypt in 332BC
to drive out the Persians (who were not yet White People), Greeks were still mostly Brown people as a result of the 1200BC influx of
Albino Whites from Central Asia. The word Greece is a variant of Gris, meaning "Grey', a mixture of Black and White.
The original Greeks were Black, that is why the likes of Pythagoras could be allowed to
enter the Egyptian Schools to learn Philosophy and Trigonometry. These philosophers were persecuted for
teaching an alien ideas. If Philosophy was a Greek idea, why were they persecuted?
Aristotle merely added his names to translated ancient Egyptian works that he plundered through his connection to Alexander.

For One Hundred Years Military Intelligence Officers disguised as missionaries (The Spy Who Loved You?), have been
coming to Africa to teach Africans to forget their birth right to self-determination and to accept that White People
have been ordained to be the Masters of the Universe.

Adolf Hitler, a black haired black eyed Bohemian decided that the Germans had to be the Master of White Europeans
and in effect the Masters of the World. He came up with the ideal of the Blue-Eyed Blond and ignored the
history of Black German Rulership. All the White European Aristocrats of Europe
(save for one or two) are Black-haired (before their hair starts greying in old age) and black/brown-eyed.
Very rarely a blue-eyed blonde. So why the obsession with Blue-Eyed Blondes? Blue-Eyed Blondes are NEVER Blue-Blooded.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by suyu: 12:25am On Aug 17, 2012
semi-good thread
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 4:44pm On Aug 22, 2012
In 1484 during the reign of King Manuel I, The Fortunate (1495 - 1521), João Afonso de Aveiro made his first
visit to the King Ozolua (1480–1504)of Benin and in 1486 brought back a Benin ambassador to Portugal.
The image we are taught to conjure is that of an Ambassador from White European stronghold

Here is one of the Herald symbols of the southern portion of The Kingdom of Portugal showing a Black Man

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:COA_Reino_de_Algarve_1666.jpg



Flashback to the Charles V The Black European Holy Roman Emperor who ruled from Germany:
(Spanish: Carlos I; Dutch: Karel V; German: Karl V.; Italian: Carlo V; 24 February 1500 – 21 September 1558)
These are the present-day countries that were under Charles V around the reign of Manuel I, King of Portugal:

Germany
Austria
Belgium
Czech Republic
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Monaco
The Netherlands
San Marino
Slovenia
Switzerland
France (East Francia)
Italy
Poland

The Kingdom of Portugal, though not in the above list was not yet Ruled by White Europeans
(like all other European Kingdoms)

Today, Africans need Schengen Visa to enter these countries but bear in mind that
the visit from the Ambassador of the Kingdom of Portugal to the Benin Empire was as an Emissary
of a Black European Ruler to an African Ruler and NOT as an emissary of a White European Ruler.

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Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 4:58pm On Aug 23, 2012
ezeagu: Why do many people of African descent spend so much time and effort in discovering "black" relics outside of Africa or in places where there are no current black populations?

Wouldn't all this time be better spent developing the research of known 'black' cultures which are suffering from being the least researched?

Our major obstacle to development is that we do not know who White People are and we do not know the full extent of
who we are in this world. Those places where there are no current Black populations are being used to re-inforce the image that we
were confined to African Continent. If it did not matter to discover the Black Presence outside Africa, why is the knowledge being concealed
in those places through the power of whitened overpainted images and fake paintings?

Today, the expectation being placed on Africans is to be validated in a country assumed to be populated by people of
insufficient skin pigmentation. That contributes to the long queues outside European embassies. The purpose of this thread is to provide a panacea for addressing real problems we face daily. The Melanin that gives us more colour than them is being taught to us as a disadvantage.
Should we bleach our skins? "No, but just our minds", I hear some people say.

Why do some black women spend money on bleaching creams? To be appreciated by people who associate lack of skin pigmentation
with beauty.

White People are afraid of going back to Black Rule. They are more comfortable with our geographical and religious separations.
Hollywood is their Military Machine. Movie Directors are their Generals; Producers are the Colonels; Cameramen are the Lieutenants.

The Strait of Gibraltar that separates Europe from Africa is just a narrow piece of sea.
http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/3000/3926/Gibraltar_SRTM.jpg


Why should it be astounding that 45,000 years ago after the Ice Age, Africans were crossing over into Europe?
Was there anything like Border Patrols? Discovery Channel on DSTV has made us think that we are to be discovered and not to discover.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 5:12pm On Aug 23, 2012
PhysicsQED: Dude, you're talking about Spain which everyone knows was ruled by the Moors for a period of time. That is quite a world away from all the ridiculous claiming the thread starter is doing.

So we are either slave, ex-slave or just from close to Spain? Who says Black People could not exist in the
colder parts of Europe? Even where there is less sunshine?

There is a lot of archaeological evidence of Black People in the Arctic circle. National Geographic magazine
will not talk about it.

1.7 Million-year Critique of African Arctic Circle and North European Populations:
http://www.beforebc.de/all_europe/05-09-05.html
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 5:15pm On Aug 23, 2012
PAGAN 9JA:
^^^^^^^^^ and also he doesnt realise that Spain is just opposite the Berber Nations across the sea. everyone knows that the moors came for a short while there, ruled and were kicked out.

Not everyone knows that the Moors were Black People and Moorish knowledge was Ancient Egyptian knowledge translated into Arabic.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by PhysicsQED(m): 5:28pm On Aug 23, 2012
jantavanta,

You've now moved from North African Romans or occasional paintings of black people by European artists to the old European fad of crests/heralds with black faces. The origin of those faces is not 100% clear (but unlikely to be what you think it is), but has it occurred to you that contemporary images of both Europeans and the Moors (some of which were actually black) from back then actually exist?

http://www.angelfire.com/md/8/moors.html



Another more serious problem I have with the way you interpret images is this: if you want to argue that the relatively few representations of black people in older European art or as artistic puns (puns on the word "Moor" or "Negri" and other similar European last names referring to darkness) in European crests/heralds is indicative of black rulership, how would you interpret representations of whites in black art (such as that of Benin or Kongo)? Some whites were used to represent trade wealth in Benin art, but if people were to follow your line of thinking, they would represent something entirely contrary to what the written, archaeological, and other artistic evidence says and people would completely misinterpret the art.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by ezotik: 5:51pm On Aug 23, 2012
PhysicsQED: jantavanta,

You've now moved from North African Romans or occasional paintings of black people by European artists to the old European fad of crests/heralds with black faces. The origin of those faces is not 100% clear (but unlikely to be what you think it is), but has it occurred to you that contemporary images of both Europeans and the Moors (some of which were actually black) from back then actually exist?

http://www.angelfire.com/md/8/moors.html



Another more serious problem I have with the way you interpret images is this: if you want to argue that the relatively few representations of black people in older European art or as artistic puns (puns on the word "Moor" or "Negri" and other similar European last names referring to darkness) in European crests/heralds is indicative of black rulership, how would you interpret representations of whites in black art (such as that of Benin or Kongo)? Some whites were used to represent trade wealth in Benin art, but if people were to follow your line of thinking, they would represent something entirely contrary to what the written, archaeological, and other artistic evidence says and people would completely misinterpret the art.





but how about using linguistic evidence to support jantavanta's theory?
coz there is an old bini adage that says -- oba yan otor ke edo ya se evbu-ebo
meaning -- the oba owns the land from edo to caucasian(oyibo) area/land....lol
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by PhysicsQED(m): 6:39pm On Aug 23, 2012
lol, yeah but doesn't that adage mean that the Oba owns all the land up until you reach the white man's lands? Maybe I'm misinterpreting it, but I didn't think it was about owning oyibo land. grin

I can't agree with jantavanta's approach though. When people see the representations of Europeans in Benin art or other African art, they could make the same kind of mistaken claims about those African kingdoms and whites (and they certainly have before) that jantavanta is making about Europe and black people. Art has to be interpreted in context and I think he's misinterpreting things.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by ezotik: 7:10pm On Aug 23, 2012
PhysicsQED: lol, yeah but doesn't that adage mean that the Oba owns all the land up until you reach the white man's lands? Maybe I'm misinterpreting it, but I didn't think it was about owning oyibo land. grin


haha yes na... and jantavanta's argument/theory suggests that some parts of europe were not historically white. anyway, i just thought i should stir the topic and add a linguistic evidence to encourage jantavanta in his quest...and who knows, he may come up with something groundbreaking. grin
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 10:03am On Aug 24, 2012
PhysicsQED: jantavanta,

You've now moved from North African Romans or occasional paintings of black people by European artists to the old European fad of crests/heralds with black faces. The origin of those faces is not 100% clear (but unlikely to be what you think it is), but has it occurred to you that contemporary images of both Europeans and the Moors (some of which were actually black) from back then actually exist?

http://www.angelfire.com/md/8/moors.html



Another more serious problem I have with the way you interpret images is this: if you want to argue that the relatively few representations of black people in older European art or as artistic puns (puns on the word "Moor" or "Negri" and other similar European last names referring to darkness) in European crests/heralds is indicative of black rulership, how would you interpret representations of whites in black art (such as that of Benin or Kongo)? Some whites were used to represent trade wealth in Benin art, but if people were to follow your line of thinking, they would represent something entirely contrary to what the written, archaeological, and other artistic evidence says and people would completely misinterpret the art.





Contextual representation in Benin art is a School of Art and does not have to be globally enforceable.

Let us revisit Maurice, Elector of Saxony (reign 24 April 1547 – 9 July 1553)

Here is his coin:
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Crests/Saxony_coin_3.jpg


Here is his portrait

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Pz7lJFkLC_w/Te-FhqmSFCI/AAAAAAAAAAg/TQcbxaTqE5A/s1600/Kurfurst+Moritz+von+Sachsen.jpg

Here is his Holy Trinity medal as Duke of Saxony (1541-1553)



Map of Saxony
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 1:25pm On Aug 24, 2012
Elector Frederick III the Wise of Saxony (1463 - 1525).
House of Wettin (ancestral House of the present day British Royal Family)Father Ernst, Elector of Saxony Mother Elisabeth of Bavaria



John Elector of Saxony (1468 - 1532) Brother and Successor of Frederick III the Wise of Saxony



Succeeded by his son,
John Frederick I The Magnanimous

http://www.coingallery.de/KarlV/JoFried_E.htm
First government (as Elector of Saxony)(Reign 16 August 1532 – 24 April 1547)



He supported Martin Luther and when the Schmalkaldic War broke out in 1546, he marched to the south at
the head of his troops, but the unexpected invasion of his country by his cousin Duke Maurice
compelled him to return. He succeeded in reconquering the larger part of his possessions and repelling
Maurice, but suddenly the emperor hastened north and surprised the elector.
The Battle of Mühlberg, 24 April 1547, went against him and dispersed his army.
He received a slashing wound to the left side of his face, leaving him with a disfiguring scar
from his lower eye socket down his cheek. He was taken prisoner by Charles V and sent into exile in Worms.
Officially, he charged his three sons with the administration of his remaining territories. In fact,
he managed the most important affairs himself, from inside the prison, and this included minting matters.
His sons are:
John Frederick II, Duke of Saxony
John William, Duke of Saxe-Weimar
John Frederick III, Duke of Saxe-Gotha

In a report of February 28, 1550, an advisory board had suggested that the elector's sons should keep to the traditional
Saxonian standard of coinage. It was also suggested they show their submission by imprinting the Emperor's effigy on one
side and the Saxonian arms on the other side. John Frederic and his sons followed this advice.

From http://www.coingallery.de/KarlV/Sachsen_E.htm


He was later released by Charles V to start his second government and replace his cousin Maurice who had also rebelled against Charles V

Second government, 1552-1554 (as Duke)


Holy Roman Emperor Charles V (from the Inca King List)


For more on the Rulers during his reign visit http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Crests/Charles_V_people.htm
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by PAGAN9JA(m): 1:38pm On Aug 24, 2012
suyu: semi-good thread

arrant nonsense thread. angry
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 1:58pm On Aug 24, 2012
PAGAN 9JA:


arrant nonsense thread. angry

As I mentioned earlier on, Holy Roman Emperor Charles V was the 'Oga-in-Charge' of Germany, Austria, Belgium,Czech Republic, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco,The Netherlands,San Marino, Slovenia, Switzerland, France (East Francia), Italy and Poland.

If you have to apply for Schengen Visa, remind the consular officer that a Black Man
was their Emperor! smiley
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by ezotik: 3:30pm On Aug 24, 2012
shocked
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 3:23am On Aug 25, 2012
kikuyu1: Here's a Spanish countess explaining the black African nature of her al Mohavid Moor ancestors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4LzdiNblI8&feature=plcp

She tells of how her own family and other nobles whitened their ancestors in official histories and documents. The whole video is worth a look and will properly educate those who believe the fairy tales we've been force fed for far too long.

The current White occupiers of Germany, try to hide their countries Black Holy Roman Empire past, by modifying remnants of that past. They depict statues and the heads on heraldry of the Holy Roman Empire, with rings in their ears. This is to signify that those people were somehow related to the Moors of North Africa, instead of what they really were: the descendents of the first Human settlers of Europe. This is a favorite trick of all White Europeans, they always identify all Blacks of medieval Europe as Slaves, Servants, or people who came directly from Africa.



Even the current Pope, Benedict XVI, who is of German extraction, does the same thing. The Black Freising King on the Pope's "Coat of Arms" shows the Freising King (probably Otto I) with a ring in his ear. You will note that none of the Black German people depicted here, have a ring in their ears.

Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 2:20pm On Aug 26, 2012
Joan, Archduchess of Austria and Princess of Portugal(24 June 1535 – 7 September 1573)

She was born in 1535 in Madrid to Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor and his consort Isabella of Portugal,
daughter of King Manuel I of Portugal who In 1484 sent an Ambassador on his first
visit to the King Ozolua (1480–1504) of Benin and in 1486 brought back a Benin Ambassador to Portugal
who established diplomatic relations by presenting his credentials to King Manuel I and Princess Joan,
both Black People.
Therefore, The Benin Empire was fully aware of the Black Nobility of Europe at that time,
even if the visiting Portuguese soldiers were mulattoes and whites.

Notice her full lips and her slightly bulging forehead. Study her hair very well

http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Crests/Joan.jpg



Here is her coat of arms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coat_of_Joan_of_Austria_as_Princess_of_Portugal.svg



Here is her mother below:

Isabella of Portugal, Consort of Holy Emperor Charles V

She is the Mother of Joan above. Notice her nose has been broken because it is not pointed. Study her forehead. She is a Black Woman.


Full size here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Isabel_de_Portugal_%28Pompeo_Leoni%2C_Prado_E-260%29_01b.jpg/418px-Isabel_de_Portugal_%28Pompeo_Leoni%2C_Prado_E-260%29_01b.jpg


Here is her coat of arms below. Recall that it is in Africa that the Lion is regarded as The Ruler of the Forest. That symbol was taken to Europe by the First Settlers from Africa.


Here is her image on the reverse of the coin of Charles V.

The paintings available for the women of Charles V are fake White paintings. Authentic coins reveal the African features of his women, who were indigenous Black women of Europe, descendants of the first occupiers of Europe from Africa. White People came in much later from Central Asia and they have been erasing Black Women from the history of Europe. Black Women were rulers of Europe, therefore there is no need for an African woman born with a White European type face to be called "beautiful". Study the face of a White women very well, particularly actresses or fashion models. They have a flat forehead and their jaws are different.

For more on women of Charles V(daughters , wife, sister), visit http://www.coingallery.de/KarlV/Frauen_E.htm


Landgravine Marie Louise of Hesse-Kassel
Severely Whitenized Portrait of Landgravine Marie Louise of Hesse-Kassel (7 February 1688 – 9 April 1765) was a daughter of Charles I, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel and Maria Amalia of Courland. By her marriage to John William Friso, Prince of Orange, she became Princess consort of Orange, a title last held by Mary II of England. Like her husband, she was an ancestor of all currently ruling monarchs in Europe.



For full size, Click the link below:
http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Crests/Orange.jpg


Dorothea, Princess of Denmark

Mother: Anna of Brandenburg (1487–1514) was a German noblewoman. Anna was the daughter of Johann Cicero, Elector of Brandenburg and Margarethe of Saxony. She was born in Berlin, Brandenburg, and died in Kiel, Holstein.

After her father's accession to the throne in 1523 a marriage was suggested to the English claimant to the throne, Duke Richard of Suffolk, who was supported by King Francis of France, but without success. In 1525, she received a proposal from the newly made Duke of Prussia. The marriage was arranged by her father's German chancellor Wolfgang von Utenhof; it was conducted 12 February 1526 and Dorothea arrived with a large entourage in Königsberg in June. Dorothea had a very good relationship with Albert and this contributed to a good and active contact between Denmark and Prussia which continued during her brother's reign and until her death. Dorothea and her spouse corresponded with her brother, the king of Denmark, and acted as his political advisors. Dorothea and Albert were present at the coronation of Christian III of Denmark in Copenhagen in 1537; they also acted as foster-parents of her nephew Duke Hans of Denmark in 1536–1542.
From http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Crests/History_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire_3.htm

Portrait of Dorothea below, from Frederiksborg Castle
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 11:56am On Aug 31, 2012
Elizabeth I, Queen of England and Ireland, (Reign 17 November 1558 – 24 March 1603), The mulatto (half-cast) Queen

http://www.karipearls.com/sir-francis-drake-jewel.html
Family tradition records that Elizabeth I gave this Sir Francis Drake jewel to him sometime between 1540-1595. Although the date on the jewel appears to be 1586, it possibly was given later in commemoration of Drake's role in the defeat of the Spanish Armada in 1588.



Notice the hair of Elizabeth I is loose kinky curls. On the cover of the jewel is an image of a very important Black Man and
a very important White Woman that have to be in the Royalty. Elizabeth I never married a husband and she died without a child.
Since Elizabeth I was a mulatto, this people are her parents: King Henry VIII and Queen Anne Boleyn.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 9:21pm On Sep 02, 2012
The reason primary school students in English speaking African countries are taught that they were discovered by
the late-comer adventurers; Mungo Park and Lander Brothers, is to instill in the students, a identity of being
White British possessions. This identity resurfaces during moments of despair by wishing for a return
to the "good old days" of "honest" colonial rule.

What is the big deal about a Nigerian or another Black African being elected to serve as a Mayor in Europe which
had being ruled by 18th Dynasty Black Africans in the Ancient Egyptian Empire of the New Kingdom of 15th Century BC, the Roman Empire
27 BC–AD 476 (West); 1453 (East) and the Black African Nobility of Medieval Europe.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by MamiWata: 2:54am On Sep 03, 2012
jantavanta: The reason primary school students in English speaking African countries are taught that they were discovered by
the late-comer adventurers; Mungo Park and Lander Brothers, is to instill in the students, a identity of being
White British possessions. This identity resurfaces during moments of despair by wishing for a return
to the "good old days" of "honest" colonial rule.

What is the big deal about a Nigerian or another Black African being elected to serve as a Mayor in Europe which
had being ruled by 18th Dynasty Black Africans in the Ancient Egyptian Empire of the New Kingdom of 15th Century BC, the Roman Empire
27 BC–AD 476 (West); 1453 (East) and the Black African Nobility of Medieval Europe.

Hi blueblood.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 1:55pm On Sep 03, 2012
MamiWata:

Hi blueblood.

Hi There!
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 2:47pm On Sep 03, 2012
Now for the benefit of our people from francophone (french-speaking) African countries, let us examine
the Nobility of Ancient France. Allons-y!

As posted earlier in http://www.nairaland.com/955076/black-african-nobility-ancient-europe#11521318 Napoleon Bonaparte
sought to put an end to Black Rule in France and desperately made the Revolution Atheistic in order to wipe out
the Black Image of what the French knew as Divinity.

We are told that Julius Caesar conquered Gaul in 52BC with the defeat of the Black Celtic Ruler Vercingetorix.(The Celts were Black People) Those who grew up on Asterix and Obelix comics can recall the fake images associated with his surrender to Caesar. Here are two coins bearing the images of Vercingetorix:

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Etruria_the_Etruscans_2a.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vercingetorix_stater_CdM.jpg


By the end of the ancient era (B.C.), new invaders had migrated into western Europe from the east; and pushed the remaining indigenous peoples south. These new people were mainly Celts, who had been pushed out of their central European lands by the invading White Germanic tribes.

“.....The Gauls are tall in body, with rippling muscles... They are always washing their hair in limewater and pull it back from the forehead... , so that that they look like Satyrs and Pans; the treatment of their hair makes it so heavy and coarse that it looks like the mane of a horse... some of them shave the beard, but others let it grow a little. The nobles shave their cheeks but let the mustache grow until it covers the mouth....".

Washing their hair in limewater refers to straightening or relaxing their naturally kinky hair.

"....By now, the original people had accepted rule of the conquering Romans, though the acceptance was uneasy. As would be expected, there was almost constant warfare between these two peoples, the western Celts known as Gauls, and the eastern Celts. But their hatred of each other was less than their hatred of Roman rule. There were many rebellions against Rome by both groups. As we can see from Julius Caesar's comments below; Gauls and Celts were the same people. As with all the ancient people of Europe, modern racists have sought to portray them as White people....."

".........Julius Caesar, in his book, Commentarii de Bello Gallico - ca. 50 B.C, comments:

All Gaul is divided into three parts, one of which the Belgae inhabit, the Aquitani another, those who in their own language are called Celts, in ours Gauls, the third. All these differ from each other in language, customs and laws. The Garonne River (roughly divides France and Spain) separates the Gauls from the Aquitani; the River Marne (runs east and southeast from Paris) and the River Seine separate them from the Belgae. Of all these, the Belgae are the bravest, because they are furthest from the civilisation and refinement of (our) Province, and merchants least frequently resort to them, and import those things which tend to effeminate the mind; and they are the nearest to the Germani, who dwell beyond the Rhine (runs north from eastern Switzerland through Germany and the Netherlands to its two-pronged outlet on the North Sea), with whom they are continually waging war.

For which reason the Helvetii also surpass the rest of the Gauls in valour, as they contend with the Germani in almost daily battles, when they either repel them from their own territories, or themselves wage war on their frontiers. One part of these, which it has been said that the Gauls occupy, takes its beginning at the River Rhone; it is bounded by the Garonne River, the Atlantic Ocean, and the territories of the Belgae; it borders, too, on the side of the Sequani and the Helvetii, upon the River Rhine, and stretches toward the north. The Belgae rises from the extreme frontier of Gaul, extend to the lower part of the River Rhine; and look toward the north and the rising sun. Aquitania extends from the Garonne to the Pyrenees and to that part of the Atlantic (Bay of Biscay) which is near Spain: it looks between the setting of the sun, and the north star.

Note: The Helvetii, refers to a conglomeration of Celtic tribes formed by the Helvetian's of southern Germany and numbering in excess of 300,000, who decided to flee the invading White Germanic tribes. ......."


To further explain the origins of the present day White People in France and Germany, they are White Germanic People despite
their differences during Adolf Hitler's invasion of France during World War II


But why is so much attention given to Caesar and less attention given to Black Roman Emperors eg. Septimus Severus?


After the collapse of Roman Empire, Black kingdoms started rising all over Europe. The name France originates from Franks, who were
Black People.

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Crests/History_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire.htm
"....A branch of the Angevins, was a royal house founded by Geoffrey V of Anjou, father of Henry II of England. Plantagenet kings first ruled the Kingdom of England in the 12th century. Their paternal ancestors originated in the French province of Gâtinais and gained the County of Anjou through marriage during the 11th century. The dynasty accumulated several other holdings, building the Angevin Empire that at its peak stretched from the Pyrenees to Ireland and the border with Scotland....."



http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Crests/History_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire_2.htm
".....The Frankish Realm or occasionally Frankland, was the territory inhabited and ruled by the Franks from the 3rd to the 10th century. Under the nearly continuous campaigns of Charles Martel, Pepin the Short, and Charlemagne—father, son, grandson—the greatest expansion of the Frankish empire was secured by the early 9th century.

Carolingian Empire (800–888) is a historiographical term which has been used to refer to the realm of the Franks under the Carolingian dynasty in the Early Middle Ages. This dynasty is seen as the founders of France and Germany, and its beginning date is based on the crowning of Charlemagne, or Charles the Great, and ends with the death of Charles the Fat. Depending on one's perspective, this Empire can be seen as the later history of the Frankish Realm or the early history of France and of the Holy Roman Empire. The term refers to the coronation of Charlemagne by Pope Leo III in 800. Because Charles and his ancestors had been rulers of the Frankish realm earlier (his grandfather Charles Martel had essentially founded the empire during his lifetime), the coronation did not actually constitute a new empire. Most historians prefer to use the term "Frankish Kingdoms" or "Frankish Realm" to refer to the area covering parts of today's Germany and France from the 5th to the 9th century......."





The subject of the Ethnicity of Charlemagne is treated in further detail in http://www.beforebc.de/all_europe/02-16-800-00-10.html

Here is more expansive detail on the Medieval Crown of Kings of the Holy Roman Empire. http://www.beforebc.de/all_europe/02-16-800-00-32.html


"...It is now 799 A.D, and for the third time in half a century, a Pope is in need of help from the Frankish kings. After being physically attacked by his enemies in the streets of Rome (their stated intention is to blind him and cut out his tongue, to make him incapable of office), Pope Leo III makes his way through the Alps to visit the king of the Franks Charles I at Paderborn. It is not known what is agreed, but Charles I travels to Rome in 800 to support the pope. In a ceremony in St Peter's, on Christmas Day, Leo is due to anoint Charles I's son as his heir. But unexpectedly (it is maintained), as Charles I rises from prayer, the pope places a crown on his head and acclaims him emperor..."
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by jantavanta(m): 5:06pm On Sep 06, 2012
The Black African Nobility of Ancient Europe strengthened Europe through the continent-wide inter-marriage system
that does not exist in Africa. For example, by 1519 Charles V, the Black African Holy Roman Emperor (do not bother with the fake and over-whitened portraits on the internet) became heir of three of Europe's leading dynasties—the House of Habsburg of the Habsburg Monarchy; the House of Valois-Burgundy of the Burgundian Netherlands; and the House of Trastámara of the Crowns of Castile and Aragon.

Painting of Charles V from Europe, whose title has been removed


Cutout from the Inca King List



In present times, Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh (born Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark) is the husband of Queen Elizabeth II
of Great Britain. When White People penetrated the aristocracy, they continued the inter-marriage system among the aristocrats and were strong enough to partition and invade Africa by taking Kingdoms/Nations one after the other.

There are no inter-marriage relations among the traditional rulers within and outside Nigeria. For example, they would take out the Cross River/Akwa-Ibom region and create a Calabar Protectorate then sail along the River Niger take out the Ebiras, and the Nupes separately and move North from Lokoja to establish a base in Kaduna. Then they would sail to Onitsha and invade Igbo communities before or after invading the Yoruba Kingdoms. There was no platform for a united opposition to White colonial invasion.

In Barack Obama's book Dreams From My Father, Barack Obama's grandfather scoffed at the possibility of Africa resiting White European rule because he saw Europeans as valuing their collective existence more than their partisan interests. That concern for collective existence through continent-wide inter-marriage was created when Europe was being ruled by the Black Indigenes (First Settlers) of Europe.

In the Ancient Egyptian 15th Century BC New Kingdom called the 18th Dynasty, Pharaoh Amenhotep III (who is called King Solomon) was marrying wives from far and wide, but refused to marry out Egyptian princesses to non-Egyptians, despite requests from the Mitanni Kingdom.

See http://www.nairaland.com/506114/solomon-black-man
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by pazienza(m): 3:04am On Sep 07, 2012
Jan,you have really done a nice job on this topic,i wanted to take up the topic,but so far there is no need for that.
Truth passes through three stages, first it is laughed at,as odumchi and pagan have done here. Then it is violently opposed and lastly it is accepted as the truth.

It took hundreds of years to brainwash them,you can't undo that by just this thread. All the same,thumbs up.
Re: Black African Nobility Of Ancient Europe by birdman(m): 8:05am On Sep 07, 2012
Did I just waste my time on 3 pages of garbage evidence and photoshop. Somebody ban this id1ot

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