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Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by Fhemmmy: 11:12pm On Jun 07, 2012
Sagamite:

What utter rubbish!

We should use one case to shape our perception of an obvious regression to socially "acceptable" and "embraceable"?

Beautifully said.
Cos it works out well for one does not mean it will work for the other, and i still dont see what needed to be embraced in teen pregnancy
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by PHIPEX(m): 11:13pm On Jun 07, 2012
Several reports on Nigerian teenagers has it that 50% of Nigerian teenage girls have been pregnant atleast once by the age of 20. If those reports are true then we have a greater problem on our hands.
1. What did they do to those pregenancies?
2. How are they sure they are HIV free because its only someone who had an unprotected sex that can get pregenant?
3. what can be done to checkmate the rise in promiscuity among the youths of today?

As for me, any girl who is bold enough to get pregnant should be bold enough to carry her baby, I can't soak my hands in blood in other to save someone else from shame.

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Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by davidylan(m): 11:14pm On Jun 07, 2012
coogar:

you were shagging a baby-mother? wink

grin grin I dont know what you are talking about.
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by Fhemmmy: 11:14pm On Jun 07, 2012
jmoore: Genevieve Nnaji was pregnant at the age of 17, She gave birth to the baby.

And that is good enough to now make that a norm?
If you give a lady belle at 17, would you claim it?
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by dayokanu(m): 11:15pm On Jun 07, 2012
Actually I think Teenage abortion should be enforced.

if I were to be in power any pregnancy where the parents cant show any means of livelihood should be terminated.

If my daughter gets pregnant at 15, I would drive her to an abortion clinic and might even have her tubes tied till she is an adult.

The cost of teenage pregnancy to the society is just too much. In America where they have a good welfare system, the single mothers and children out of wedlock still suffer greatly not to talk of in Nigeria.

For every single mom story that made it, there are thousands who fell by the wayside. Life is hard enough on its own for single people not to talk of when you have a burden a child birthing a child

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Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by Fhemmmy: 11:16pm On Jun 07, 2012
^^^ I think that is drastic . . .
I can understand how you feel, but to now drive the girl to the clinic for such, that will be too much, as a matter of fact, better to have the kids, but make sure she feel the pain, i will not babysit for a child that is still at school cos of her stupidity
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by davidylan(m): 11:17pm On Jun 07, 2012
dayokanu: Actually I think Teenage abortion should be enforced.

if I were to be in power any pregnancy where the parents cant show any means of livelihood should be terminated.

If my daughter gets pregnant at 15, I would drive her to an abortion clinic and might even have her tubes tied till she is an adult.

The cost of teenage pregnancy to the society is just too much. In America where they have a good welfare system, the single mothers and children out of wedlock still suffer greatly not to talk of in Nigeria.

For every single mom story that made it, there are thousands who fell by the wayside. Life is hard enough on its own for single people not to talk of when you have a burden a child birthing a child

IMO, the generous welfare system is what is driving the increase in teen pregnancies in America. you can have a baby... do no work and receive government benefits, free healthcare, food, housing e.t.c. for the first 2 yrs of the child's life all the while paying $0 in taxes. What is the incentive for me to go work hard when i pay 40% of my wages so single parents/idiots can have a nice life on the government teat?
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by Sagamite(m): 11:18pm On Jun 07, 2012
PHIPEX: Several reports on Nigerian teenagers has it that 50% of Nigerian teenage girls have been pregnant atleast once by the age of 20. If those reports are true then we have a greater problem on our hands.
1. What did they do to those pregenancies?
2. How are they sure they are HIV free because its only someone who had an unprotected sex that can get pregenant?
3. what can be done to checkmate the rise in promiscuity among the youths of today?

As for me, any girl who is bold enough to get pregnant should be bold enough to carry her baby, I can't soak my hands in blood in other to save someone else from shame.

Don't get it mixed up.

I am pretty sure your statistics is not a result of promiscuity but largely because of child marriages especially in the North.
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by Fhemmmy: 11:19pm On Jun 07, 2012
davidylan:

IMO, the generous welfare system is what is driving the increase in teen pregnancies in America. you can have a baby... do no work and receive government benefits, free healthcare, food, housing e.t.c. for the first 2 yrs of the child's life all the while paying $0 in taxes. What is the incentive for me to go work hard when i pay 40% of my wages so single parents/idiots can have a nice life on the government teat?

That is well said and on point . . . and that is the reason why most of the girls wanna move out of mama and papa house at an age that they cant even take care of a baby doll
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by davidylan(m): 11:19pm On Jun 07, 2012
Fhemmmy: ^^^ I think that is drastic . . .
I can understand how you feel, but to now drive the girl to the clinic for such, that will be too much, as a matter of fact, better to have the kids, but make sure she feel the pain, i will not babysit for a child that is still at school cos of her stupidity

What is drastic is letting her have the child which will be a constant source of sorrow to her. Have you seen the guilt that eats at the mothers who realize their child will forever pay the consequences for their own folly? Me i will drive my daughter to the clinic and sit there until i see a scan showing her belly has no baby there again. No foolish man should be tied to my daughter for life just by virtue of donating some sperm.
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by dayokanu(m): 11:22pm On Jun 07, 2012
davidylan:

My guy, i once knew a 3 yr old kid who begged me (with tears in her eyes) to be her father... bro that day i realized one thing... it is not by coincidence that we have 2 parents. A week after i broke up with the mother, the child had a mental breakdown in school because she thought she would never have a father again. Stop chatting rubbish. You are not the one who has to live the life of pain and mental anguish that child will have to go through all because some adults quit using their brains.

I knew a girl who had 2 sons out of wedlock and I was friends with her, Used to take the boys out and help with their homework. The elderly one like 8yrs would say "I wish Mr Dayo was my daddy".

The other one whenever I am leaving would be crying asking when Im coming back, atimes take her mothers phone and call me to ask when I would be back.

Never mind the financial problems and societal issues the woman had in her life.

ABEG Teenage abortion should be mandated and enforced
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by Fhemmmy: 11:22pm On Jun 07, 2012
davidylan:

What is drastic is letting her have the child which will be a constant source of sorrow to her. Have you seen the guilt that eats at the mothers who realize their child will forever pay the consequences for their own folly? Me i will drive my daughter to the clinic and sit there until i see a scan showing her belly has no baby there again. No foolish man should be tied to my daughter for life just by virtue of donating some sperm.

There is no way to determine that.
Yes, it is not a great thing to do, but such could be a source of encouragement to some youth and make her to determine to make it, cos now she has a mouth to feed, but making her get rid of the baby should not be the solution and especially from the parent.
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by dayokanu(m): 11:23pm On Jun 07, 2012
Fhemmmy: ^^^ I think that is drastic . . .
I can understand how you feel, but to now drive the girl to the clinic for such, that will be too much, as a matter of fact, better to have the kids, but make sure she feel the pain, i will not babysit for a child that is still at school cos of her stupidity

I dont think its drastic, If you have seen what single mothers go through even in places like America not to talk of a place like Nigeria, you would know its not drastic
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by Miss EZ(f): 11:25pm On Jun 07, 2012
davidylan:

At 18? She can only make such a decision if she is clothing herself, feeding herself, has her own house and husband. As long as i am still responsible for school fees, food and co... she is not carrying another man's wahala.
Once a woman has a child outside wedlock, her chances of marrying a decent, hardworking, responsible dude automatically drops by more than 90% while mr. bobo can go on with his life as if nothing happened. My daughter should not be another man's used spare part abeg.

Although Davidylan sounds really harsh, atleast he has the guts to be honest about his thoughts towards this issue. Alot of people are quick to shout against abortion, but when found in the situation are very quick to do it. As for me i think that abortion is wrong, better still avoid fornicating all together to avoid such wahala. It is not easy for single mothers anywhere in the world, not to talk of teenagers who are not ready for such responsibility. The children also suffer especially in a place like Nigeria where he/she will be reminded that they were born out of wedlock.

I agree that teenage mothers should not be treated poorly or inhumanely, but i think the emphasis should be on prevention rather than tolerance of immoral behavior. Once these kids know that they can get away with it, what stops them from having another one. In the united states, you see young girls below 21 already having 2 kids and are on welfare or some kind of assistance.

As for the prolife/prochoice debate. I am prolife, but i also believe that women should be given a choice especially in despoil and molestation cases. It is not easy to have a kid born out of such circumstances because they will always be a reminder. For some the experience alone is traumatic, then to have a child come out of that, double wahala.

On another note,I see guys calling girls useless for getting pregnant, please get off your high horse. It takes two to tango. Was it not a man that put it there? bloody hypocrites. Women are always blamed for everything, including things that men are responsible for or are a partaker of...
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by dayokanu(m): 11:26pm On Jun 07, 2012
davidylan:

IMO, the generous welfare system is what is driving the increase in teen pregnancies in America. you can have a baby... do no work and receive government benefits, free healthcare, food, housing e.t.c. for the first 2 yrs of the child's life all the while paying $0 in taxes. What is the incentive for me to go work hard when i pay 40% of my wages so single parents/idiots can have a nice life on the government teat?

Actually most people dont know what a family means any longer.

The boy I mentioned earlier was checking my facebook with me and saw all my siblings and he asked

"Mr Dayo, why is it that everyone in your family have the same last name?". I looked at the mother and she yelled at the boy and scolded him for being a smartypants who asks to much questions.

I wont blame the guy cos its strange to him cos all his siblings have different last names. I now wonder where you want to start re-orientating that 9yr old Josiah
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by Fhemmmy: 11:27pm On Jun 07, 2012
dayokanu:

I dont think its drastic, If you have seen what single mothers go through even in places like America not to talk of a place like Nigeria, you would know its not drastic

I have seen and experienced what a single mother go thru and for sure dont like it at all, but i will do my best to prevent it, but not to take her to the clinic to get ride f the baby.
Let us be part to what will prevent it.
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by durobraham(f): 11:28pm On Jun 07, 2012
This thread is so hilarious its unbelievable!! Its amazing how those like sagamite &Co who are supposedly pro choice are in here acting like every unplanned/teenage pregnancy must be aborted.
what happens to a womans choice?
seriously u guys, pregnancy is an opportunity to be a mother , what ever the circumstances, its important we help&support those we love & help them make the choices THEY can live with.
Dads; forcing a teenager to have an abortion is a terrible thing, i know u think u will be doing her a favour but have u considered that ur little girl may never get married baby or no baby, she may never go to college or work in a world class firm& then on those nights when she hates her 38 yr old life, she will long for the baby she lost&hate u the more!
Bottomline the decision to be a mother or have an abortion has lifelong implications for most people, so stop propagating this useless urban myth that abortion is some kind of bullshit panacea! smh!

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Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by coogar: 11:29pm On Jun 07, 2012
Miss EZ:

Although Davidylan sounds really harsh, atleast he has the guts to be honest about his thoughts towards this issue. Alot of people are quick to shout against abortion, but when found in the situation are very quick to do it. As for me i think that abortion is wrong, better still avoid fornicating all together to avoid such wahala. It is not easy for single mothers anywhere in the world, not to talk of teenagers who are not ready for such responsibility. The children also suffer especially in a place like Nigeria where he/she will be reminded that they were born out of wedlock.

I agree that teenage mothers should not be treated poorly or inhumanely, but i think the emphasis should be on prevention rather than tolerance of immoral behavior. Once these kids know that they can get away with it, what stops them from having another one. In the united states, you see young girls below 21 already having 2 kids and are on welfare or some kind of assistance.

As for the prolife/prochoice debate. I am prolife, but i also believe that women should be given a choice especially in despoil and molestation cases. It is not easy to have a kid born out of such circumstances because they will always be a reminder. For some the experience alone is traumatic, then to have a child come out of that, double wahala.

a certain jmoore believes the baby must live regardless of
how it was conceived. someone also said it's not an
accident. it was pre-destined that she would get
raped.


durobraham: This thread is so hilarious its unbelievable!! Its amazing how those like sagamite &Co who are supposedly pro choice are in here acting like every unplanned/teenage pregnancy must be aborted.
what happens to a womans choice?
seriously u guys, pregnancy is an opportunity to be a mother , what ever the circumstances, its important we help&support those we love & help them make the choices THEY can live with.
Dads; forcing a teenager to have an abortion is a terrible thing, i know u think u will be doing her a favour but have u considered that ur little girl may never get married baby or no baby, she may never go to college or work in a world class firm& then on those nights when she hates her 38 yr old life, she will long for the baby she lost&hate u the more!
Bottomline the decision to be a mother or have an abortion has lifelong implications for most people, so stop propagating this useless urban myth that abortion is some kind of bullshit panacea! smh!

a woman's choice? did she conceive the baby on her own?
the father has no rght to say what he does/doesn't want?
oh dear........
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by davidylan(m): 11:30pm On Jun 07, 2012
dayokanu:

Actually most people dont know what a family means any longer.

The boy I mentioned earlier was checking my facebook with me and saw all my siblings and he asked

"Mr Dayo, why is it that everyone in your family have the same last name?". I looked at the mother and she yelled at the boy and scolded him for being a smartypants who asks to much questions.

I wont blame the guy cos its strange to him cos all his siblings have different last names. I now wonder where you want to start re-orientating that 9yr old Josiah

hillarious! grin I dont blame the guy, here it is "normal" to have kids bearing a different surname from the mother, their siblings and even the guy shacking their mama.
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by coogar: 11:32pm On Jun 07, 2012
davidylan:

hillarious! grin I dont blame the guy, here it is "normal" to have kids bearing a different surname from the mother, their siblings and even the guy shacking their mama.

7 kids from 7 different fathers.....
let's be honest - family values have been devalued. cheesy grin
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by Sagamite(m): 11:32pm On Jun 07, 2012
durobraham: This thread is so hilarious its unbelievable!! Its amazing how those like sagamite &Co who are supposedly pro choice are in here acting like every unplanned/teenage pregnancy must be aborted.
what happens to a womans choice?
seriously u guys, pregnancy is an opportunity to be a mother , what ever the circumstances, its important we help&support those we love & help them make the choices THEY can live with.
Dads; forcing a teenager to have an abortion is a terrible thing, i know u think u will be doing her a favour but have u considered that ur little girl may never get married baby or no baby, she may never go to college or work in a world class firm& then on those nights when she hates her 38 yr old life, she will long for the baby she lost&hate u the more!
Bottomline the decision to be a mother or have an abortion has lifelong implications for most people, so stop propagating this useless urban myth that abortion is some kind of bullshit panacea! smh!

I am not pro-life, I am not pro-choice, I am pro-sense.
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by dayokanu(m): 11:32pm On Jun 07, 2012
durobraham: This thread is so hilarious its unbelievable!! Its amazing how those like sagamite &Co who are supposedly pro choice are in here acting like every unplanned/teenage pregnancy must be aborted.
what happens to a womans choice?
seriously u guys, pregnancy is an opportunity to be a mother , what ever the circumstances, its important we help&support those we love & help them make the choices THEY can live with.
Dads; forcing a teenager to have an abortion is a terrible thing, i know u think u will be doing her a favour but have u considered that ur little girl may never get married baby or no baby, she may never go to college or work in a world class firm& then on those nights when she hates her 38 yr old life, she will long for the baby she lost&hate u the more!
Bottomline the decision to be a mother or have an abortion has lifelong implications for most people, so stop propagating this useless urban myth that abortion is some kind of bullshit panacea! smh!

What sensible decision can a 15yr old make?

If I was left to make decisions at 15yrs, I would have had like 14 kids right now with different girls, no job, no education, robably moving from jail to jail

Infact I might have ended my own life due to recklessness. Thats why we have parents who are older and more experienced to guide us in life atimes use force
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by davidylan(m): 11:33pm On Jun 07, 2012
durobraham: This thread is so hilarious its unbelievable!! Its amazing how those like sagamite &Co who are supposedly pro choice are in here acting like every unplanned/teenage pregnancy must be aborted.
what happens to a womans choice?
seriously u guys, pregnancy is an opportunity to be a mother , what ever the circumstances, its important we help&support those we love & help them make the choices THEY can live with.
Dads; forcing a teenager to have an abortion is a terrible thing, i know u think u will be doing her a favour but have u considered that ur little girl may never get married baby or no baby, she may never go to college or work in a world class firm& then on those nights when she hates her 38 yr old life, she will long for the baby she lost&hate u the more!
Bottomline the decision to be a mother or have an abortion has lifelong implications for most people, so stop propagating this useless urban myth that abortion is some kind of bullshit panacea! smh!

Her chances of doing all those things you mention are almost practically nil with a teenage pregnancy. Who will marry her with her little rugrat? When will she get time to go to school while she is raising the child? I can guarantee you she will have MANY nights hating her life as a single mom... FACT.
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by davidylan(m): 11:35pm On Jun 07, 2012
coogar:

7 kids from 7 different fathers.....
let's be honest - family values have been devalued. cheesy grin

My barber had 11 kids from 4 women at the age of 34. his idea of "raising" his kids was having a fridge stocked with food so they can eat. I shook my head in sorrow. I kept asking him how he remembered all their names, doctors appointments, schools...
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by Miss EZ(f): 11:36pm On Jun 07, 2012
[quote author=coogar]

a certain jmoore believes the baby must live regardless of
how it was conceived. someone also said it's not an
accident. it was pre-destined that she would get
raped.

It is so easy for people who have not been Molested to dismiss the gravity of such situation. Infact in Nigeria, if you are not careful, you would be accused of bringing the misfortune on yourself in addition to the stigma. This is the reason why molestation victims do not come forward. To now have a baby, another human being you did not plan, you do not know the father, intimate relations wasnt consensual...to have all that accompany the baby...its too much for any human being to carry.

Some people are strong emotionally and can handle it, others cannot, and i think that those ladies should be allowed to abort the baby because it affects her health psychologically. By the way, i am not speaking from experience o, but a friend of mine had to deal with this and it was heart breaking to watch
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by dayokanu(m): 11:38pm On Jun 07, 2012
davidylan:

My barber had 11 kids from 4 women at the age of 34. his idea of "raising" his kids was having a fridge stocked with food so they can eat. I shook my head in sorrow. I kept asking him how he remembered all their names, doctors appointments, schools...

Actually that your barber is a nice man.

The girl I am talking about her baby daddies dont even give her nada, They work under the counter so you cant get Child support and one of them is even a jailbird and threatened her that if she files anything on him, he knows people who know people.

The girl actually begs for them to show up on his sons birthday to give him a gift
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by coogar: 11:40pm On Jun 07, 2012
davidylan:

My barber had 11 kids from 4 women at the age of 34. his idea of "raising" his kids was having a fridge stocked with food so they can eat. I shook my head in sorrow. I kept asking him how he remembered all their names, doctors appointments, schools...

what a man!
11 kids from 4 men. the funniest thing is the 3rd and 4th women
knew of his history but do they care? the more, the merrier....

your barber reminds me of desmond hatchett - he's got
30 kids from 11 different women. desmond is only 33. cheesy grin
american taxpayers must love him....not!!!
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by maxman10(m): 11:41pm On Jun 07, 2012
beblessed: I called my female cousin this morning and was informed she just put 2 bed her fourth child. She is now happily married 2 her childhood sweetheart who put her in the family way about fifteen years ago. When it happened, hell was let loose and infact she was disowned by family members. Only a distant childless aunt nurse her and a baby until she was sent 2 husband's mum. My cousin suffered hardship. The gist is that life has turned better for her and she is doing so well wit her husband,whereas some of us who made mockery of her condition are yet 2 settle down! Am happy she did not abort her now beautiful daugther. How do we make life easy 4 pregnant teenagers, especially in our culture n family?

For one, it's one case in hundreds of thousands. For two; it's not factious as to the claims of; being happily married now ---with happy being very very relative, to a childhood sweetheart ----lets please put aside much film show for reality, claims that the family is peaceful with a supposed heavily sore area if not a severed or epileptic relationship with her family (the maternal family).
If you're trying to say or point or deduce or opine or even insinuate etc in a very infinite way that our attitude towards teenage pregnancy should be one of pity (baseless foolish pity without stern decisions), or sentiments or whatever and therefore condone, or tolerate or try to pamper this demeaning and shameful act, then rethink. If not, it's very very revolting and disturbing that you should think so.
I refute it, and refute it a million times.
So many times I've stayed and I've wondered, mostly as a result of a tiny baby just walked past me in trousers and I know down within me, that sooner than later, in the christian regions and mostly the south south, west and south east regions, ladies will grow up having be be-cultured to be western oriented. This weakens my spirit, and saddens my heart sometimes. It's a misplacement. Nothing is more debasing and more shameful than treating a shameful act with nonchalance and shamelessness and " DARN IT!"
DARN this post! Teenage pregnancy is bad in all ways and the repercusion is long lasting if not for a lifetime. Whether she had the child or not (fornication is a sin, a sin as good as murder, stealing, looting, lying, etc), it's not a fancy thing to get pregnant in teenage, and LORD take me away from this world if it ever becomes "trendy" embarassed embarassed embarassed cry cry
If they get pregnant, strict and decisive actions should be taken, including ones of punishment. We don't need another America in the world, we are done having one already.

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Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by davidylan(m): 11:45pm On Jun 07, 2012
coogar:

what a man!
11 kids from 4 men. the funniest thing is the 3rd and 4th women
knew of his history but do they care? the more, the merrier....

your barber reminds me of desmond hatchett - he's got
30 kids from 11 different women. desmond is only 33. cheesy grin
american taxpayers must love him....not!!!

american taxpayers have no choice. Social security taxes are taken from source. angry
and to think we would go to jail if we refuse to file taxes so Mr. Hatchett and his useless cotterie of baby mamas can feed for free!
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by davidylan(m): 11:47pm On Jun 07, 2012
dayokanu:

Actually that your barber is a nice man.

The girl I am talking about her baby daddies dont even give her nada, They work under the counter so you cant get Child support and one of them is even a jailbird and threatened her that if she files anything on him, he knows people who know people.

The girl actually begs for them to show up on his sons birthday to give him a gift

The one i know paid $35/month in child support. grin the day the chic told me i had to excuse myself to LMAO... what was that supposed to buy? 1 Dinner?
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by Sagamite(m): 11:49pm On Jun 07, 2012
coogar:

what a man!
11 kids from 4 men. the funniest thing is the 3rd and 4th women
knew of his history but do they care? the more, the merrier....

your barber reminds me of desmond hatchett - he's got
30 kids from 11 different women. desmond is only 33.
cheesy grin
american taxpayers must love him....not!!!

I think there should be a law where if you have more than 6 kids and you are not able to take care of them for more than a 2 year period, the State should arrest you and force you into a labour camp to work your butts off till all the kids are 18. angry

Later, these fcked up Black men and their kids will blame the white man for their failures to make it in life.
Re: Our Attitude Towards Teenage Pregnancy by durobraham(f): 11:50pm On Jun 07, 2012
dayokanu&daviddylan
one question why the heck are u getting involved in the lives of children when u clearly know u re not going to be there for a while?

secondly just because the kids of those who were unfortunate to date u guys were crying&missing u makes u think they should have been aborted?
children are resilient&v short memories , if u guys would do the honourable things& get OUT of their lives u will be amazed how quickly they would forget all abt u.

u guys re so funny. U take one aspect of the life of a single woman& decide that it means those children should not have been born? Do u have any idea how infinite the light every little baby brings to the world? What makes you the judge of which children deserve to live& which dont?

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